One version of the future...

First off- Coleman has been a revelation over previous seasons and I just think this season, he and a number of others have underperformed - but Kenny would be a good back.

Lukaku is away, his body language and everything with exception of an outright Bye Bye, he is gone.

Dowell has been good for U-21, but he was OK against a very poor Norwich side. Davies played well and might justify a place, but again based on 1 game against a really poor team.

I think Deulofeu will be one to go, he really is only at Everton because of Martinez and would expect him to leave for the same reasons.

Just a final comment - If we sell Lukaku for £50m would you not rather and invest in our future and put the money towards a new stadium that a fickle new player who may leave in a few seasons?

Wow a whole clear out of our DFM's... Apart from Besic I'm aligned.

What was your view when you woke up from this dream Sam.

We cannot get carried away with the kids after 1 game against a poor and deflated Norwich side.

They show promise but as we found with Ross and John Stones the Prem is a huge step up on a regular basis.

I pefer the way Moyes managed Coleman and Baines into the first team to both become exceptional full backs.

On Barkley - yes, this kid needs a major rebuild. I recall some anecdote or other about him as a young teenager running from his house to every training session. He should be fit as a butcher's dog but he has bulked up like a body-builder with a big Kardashian arse. Against Norwich his neck practically rolled down over his collar - as so many have said, he needs to lose some weight.

Once he does trim down, I'd love to see him as the box-to-box midfielder he should be, carrying the ball forward with aplomb, rather than the peripheral figure he became under the Marinez system.

As for James McCarthy - he was unrecognisable on Sunday, full of energy and drive going forward. That is the player he needs to be, not restricted to ball-winning.

Joe Duffin - on Del boy; not sure he is so tied to Martinez anymore, he struggled to feature with his main man in charge. If he gets fitter and avoids whatever it is giving players hamstring injuries, he should know he has a future at the club.

It's just a bit of fun, think calling it nonsense is a bit 'bah, humbug' but each to his or her own.

Martinez, the antithesis of Mr Moyes - he destroys defenders.

Whoever comes in I hope can still get enough out of the flanks to be the best in the Prem. I don't think Baines' days as a rampaging full back, or Coleman for that matter is over. And we have the wide men to help.

And forgetting Stones for one minute, Del Boy has been criminally held back.

As I said Saturday I saw a lot of the Martin Peters style in Dowell on Sunday, the ultimate no 10 ghosting in to score and set up goals as he did.

These lads have to be kept in the team and Besic and Funes Mori possibly need to be sold, they aren't good enough for the club now. they are championship level for me. We have to follow our motto now and look only for the quality that will improve us not squad players that will keep us in the Premiership. That was important but it isn't now if we genuinely have finance to invest

But in the clearing out, Besic needs to be sold over here to MLS. That's his level.

A wasted signing.

Must have some medical condition which causes excessive sweating when he does sod all. He's proved several times that when he's up for it, he really is unplayable and is too strong and powerful for defences. The problem is... he's rarely up for it. He's got the worst first touch that I've ever seen.

Says he wants to play in the Champions League – how would he feel about joining Leicester City? No, I didn't think he'd be too interested.

I'd really love to see Barkley stay. Needs to learn a how to graft a lot more though, and tackle, and head, and stop those pointless one two nothing passes and just turn with the ball and rip the arse out of midfields like we all know he can. Another one who's unplayable when he's driving forwards.

Not fussed if Stones goes. Over-playing aside, his anticipation of play is one of his main weaknesses and doesn't seem to be improving.

WTF!?!?! Is something going on behind the scenes? It can't be happening... for god's sake, Nooooooooo!!!!

And second, the line that "Del Boy has been criminally held back" is a flight into idiocy. Del Boy has been held back by Del Boy. He lost his position to Lennon, fair and square, because top quality opponents adjust to a one-trick pony, and his beat-the-defender-and-feed-Lu routine became so totally predictable that the defense was literally sitting there waiting for him. Hope the new manager will help him add a few new dimensions to his game.

It could be that both suffered from team orders/structure. Long, get-rid balls, work at Leicester but wouldn't here because of the way the team is set up. Maybe that's why Stones doesn't play them.

Barkley's occupation of space on the left, ten yards in front of the area when we are without the ball, seemingly waiting for us to win the ball back and play it to him means we have played with ten men most of the season. If his instinct is to do something different then I agree that he can be an asset; lay off the weights, lose some body mass, and get yourself booked for strong tackles on the half-way line.

As for writing players off, wouldn't be quick to pull the trigger on anyone's Everton career, let's see how they pan under a different manager, I believe coco would f##k up Barcelona given enough time.

We sign a new left winger in the Pienaar mould.

We get Ross, Del, and Kev fulfilling their potential providing a steady stream of goals plus assists for Rom. Dowell starts getting some time to continue his development.

An all round centre mid with some leadership qualities comes in alongside a released and rejuvenated McCarthy who reclaims the Kante phrase about covering every bit of land on earth. Davies gets regular game time to keep him developing.

A new keeper makes it a two way fight in goal with the experienced back 4 ahead of them.

That's not that far fetched. And it's closer to the Moyes/Martinez crossover period which looked to have so much potential. It's really up to our ownership whether they are prepared to hold onto our assets.

Unfortunately he couldn't last more than 50 minutes.

Possibly his fault but it seemed a common theme didn't it?

That's all well and good if you ignore the fact that the champions of England would play Okazaki for around 60 minutes and sub him out every match. As opposed to Del who was suddenly removed completely from the team, much like Mirallas. Funny how the same used to be said about Mirallas yet he lasted 90 minutes at the weekend, got a goal, and was threatening throughout the match.

Those once-terrified defenders stopped being afraid of him when scouting revealed his one move, the stepover cut to the right and cross, could be shut down by overplaying him to the right and boxing him in. I watched him turn the ball over three, four, five times in a row trying to dribble through defenders who were simply waiting for him to present them with the ball... knowing that he'd never fight to get it back. Lennon, by contrast, varied his attacks and never gave up on a play.

I guess it comes down to whether you blame Martinez for the kid's poor fitness. On a side where guys like Macca, Lennon and especially Grandpa Barry could last forever, I'd say it's the player's responsibility. But either way, Del will never be a regular starter on this team until he develops a fully professional game.

David, I agree we should have used him more appropriately. At the start of the season people on here were adamant Roberto was a lunatic for subbing him off and I was saying that he should be used for a half but you don't get any more - you either accept it or send him off to fitness training. Not too sure you can compare his workrate to Okazaki, mind, but I take the point you're making.

David, I agree we should have used him more appropriately. At the start of the season people on here were adamant Roberto was a lunatic for subbing him off and I was saying that he should be used for a half but you don't get any more - you either accept it or send him off to fitness training. Not too sure you can compare his workrate to Okazaki, mind, but I take the point you're making.

David, I agree we should have used him more appropriately. At the start of the season people on here were adamant Roberto was a lunatic for subbing him off and I was saying that he should be used for a half but you don't get any more - you either accept it or send him off to fitness training. Not too sure you can compare his workrate to Okazaki, mind, but I take the point you're making.

However I don't get championing players you have never seen play just because the press seem to rate them & over players that you have seen play. I mean we nearly signed Leroy Fer a few seasons back, who I had never seen play but seemed to be highly rated. We never signed him & he has gone on to play for some English sides & to me has just looked an average Joe whenever I have watched him.

I suppose youtube is good for getting an idea of someone's ability, but saying that Niasse looked a world beater on the clips I watched on youtube, very different to what we have seen so far.

When will you guys learn how transfers really work. We sell Lukaku for £45m, and we have to pay him a loyalty fee, probably around £5m (you only waive this if he requests a transfer). We then have to pay an agency fee for negotiations (which is basically extortion). So we're down to around £35m already. Then we have to pay various other costs, such as legal fees. Which means we'd be lucky to pocket £30m.

Then on the purchase, we have to pay multiple agency fees, as there is a queue of agents looking to extort us for their "part" in getting the player to sign. Contrary to popular opinion we don't have the cash just sat in our bank account, so we have to pay a bank for arranging the finance. The player then will want some kind of signing on fee, relocation fee, translator fees, major legal fees for the various and extensive contracts. And a variety of other fees that are beyond our compression. All of which means a £30m transfer can cost as much as £45m particularly when you take into account the interest we have to repay on the finance from the bank.

So please, please, please stop with your simple arithmetic thinking that 2+2=4. Like it or not, but football operates in the 21st century.

I love your optimism, and wish I could share in it fully. I think it all hinges on your first point: the choice of manager.

Don't expect either to be here next year and personally I don't mind. We need a complete overhaul with top priority given to a classy GK, a no nonsense CB and a midfield general, as well as a proper captain (could be the new midfielder).

Besic a 'wasted signing' and on a level with the truly awful standard of play in the MLS!!??

Ho hum!

Someone was not watching the first leg of the Man City semi, apparently. Nor has someone taken account of a rotten run of knocks and 'being' under Martinez's wing or the forward looking fast pace nature of Besic at his best.

It will be interesting for me to see how players play under a different manager. We clearly saw that on Sunday with McCarthy, Stones (see the two hoofs into the stands?), Mirallas, and it was all summed up poignantly for me when Leighton picked up the ball for the penalty with utter certainty and confidence and I watched from the Park End as Rom and Kev walked the other way.

That was a major moment and one I will breathe in in the hope that Besic and others will have freer expression and roles that match their true talents under the new gaffer than they had under the old one.

I still have not ruled out Mo Besic as a potential Everton skipper.

Fellaini returns Lukaku leaves as he knows Moyes is a grave yard manager for Centre forwards. Deeney is bought to replace him. Osman gets a 2-year contract as does Pienaar. Niasse is loaned to Blackpool, who send him back after a week.

Naismith is brought back as Conor McAleny goes to Norwich as part of the deal. Mirallas joins a Turkish team in the Champions League. Barkley is put in the Under 21s to learn what to do when the team does not have the ball.

Coleman, Jagielka and Baines are seen smiling at Finch Farm. Hibbert gets a pay as you play contract and a brand new boat in which to go fishing. Moshiri is not seen at Goodison for months. Wake me up someone please!!!!!!!

I agree with some of the posts that it may be a bit early to write players off. Many of the players will want to stay in the PL with Everton as the PL is where it is at in terms of wages and glamour. They will want to play well in front of a new manager and also restore their own reputations after two poor seasons at Everton.

If Martinez was still in charge over the summer I think many players would be looking to move from the club but within the PL. But for now I think it will be a matter of waiting and seeing.

The transfer window doesn't close until the end of August. That gives a new manager a full pre-season of training, warm up games and four or five competitive games in August to assess what he has.