“Nil Satis Nisi Secundus” — Only The Second Best Will Do?

Agree we need to think big.

After submitting I noticed I'd left out Simeone, Hiddink and there must be managers all over the place who aren't in the conventional running who could fit the bill so it could've been longer.

Fair comment though, agreed.

Some interesting data that could be used to inform the club's selection process.

Personally my choice would be Emery if he wanted the job. But if either DeBoer or Koeman got the job I'd be right behind them. Pellegrini has to be seriously considered too.

Benitez shouldn't ever be in consideration for a role at Everton Football Club. Same applies to Moyes.

It's not an English language GCSE and unless someone's being offensive there's no need for put downs or unnecessary critique.

Like my old mother used to say "If you can't say something positive, say nowt."

Does lend another form of weight behind our remaining contenders.

Let's hope that our hirers n firers have such rational, comparative information available for those shortlisted for auditions..... erm interviews.

I think my point, in short, is our history is littered with us going for the cheap, easy, option. We've struck lucky once with Kendall, I think Catterick was more of a known quantity, but we cant expect that approach to potentially ever pay off again.

It's time to go big, or go home.

Here's hoping for an anouncement soon, can't handle it!

No offence taken :D

But, surely, better a few days, weeks or even a month of that than a couple of wasted seasons ?

We really have a bloody exciting opportunity right now.
As frustrating as this feels, hopefully the outcome, appointment and future performance make this a moments pain for SERIOUS gains !

This next appointment should represent a more ambitious signal of intent from the club by announcing a manager with some proper pedigree.

When you look at your list above it does seem to be common sense to focus on the candidates with title credentials & high wining percentages.

Let's hope that the powers that be are of a similar opinion.

Our last two of anything came from ex-players. Do you think Unsworth would've allowed a performance like that at Anfield and elsewhere during the last campaign?

Besides, our last game of the season was enough for me to allow him to start next season as our manager. Who knows the youth squad better?

More importantly longevity, I want a manager for the long haul. And young enough to build a dynasty here to surpass Man Utd and SAF. To me that makes perfect sense.

Rhino bulls Everton to the top. Onwards and upwards.

Didn't we almost sign up Bobby Robson at some point ?

The most startling thing it shows,for me at least, is our lack of ambition. The attitude of , 'well they've done ok so give them the job'

So in this modern day and age lets think big and go for someone who knows how to win. This might work, it might not, but got to better than going second rate – at least in the short term.

I think you have hit the nail on the head with this! Completely agree with your reasoning and conclusion.

You might have got bored at one point, but I definitely didn't! Haha...

Ignore comments on it being long-winded - like we've got something better to do!

Whoever we get with what is likely to be available to us by the time we get round to it is always going to be a gamble. For me the 3ish key criteria:-

1. Must have managed successfully (top 4 finishes) and consistently in the primary league for his country. The risk here is there are not many leagues which have the overall quality of the premier league so some will say that it was an easy league to do well in.

2. A high win ratio (at least 50%) in all games managed.

3. Some anecdotal stuff such a popular with players, drives for a high level of fitness, likes forward movement and plays with pace.

Any criteria must be measured to ensure it would exclude Martinez, Moyes, Hughes and other managers who've achived little.

The way things are looking right now with a number of favoured options appearing to drop off the table with every passing day I'd go for Frank de Boer. Give him a 3 year contract and instruct Kenwight nor to become his best mate.

We need someone soon so that the team can be assessed early and rebuilt as needed.

For instance, Walter Smith probably had around 70% or so win rate before he joined us... And he hardly set the world alight at Everton. I would say the Scottish Prem and Dutch league aren't too dissimilar in terms of quality and the fact that just a couple of teams win every year!

With our history of Dutch players (all flops in my eyes), I'd be quite nervous if we ended up with a Dutch manager.

I think he did very well with the way he handled things and kept Man City in the top 4 and the Champions League Semi-Final considering he was told he was being replaced at the start of the season and therefore had no real authority over the players any more. He also beat Klopp at Wembley, don't forget, in the Cup Final.

He's based in the area and is available / out of contract. It's a no-brainer for me. Koeman doesn't want to come, and De Boer is a risk.

Underneath the calm grey exterior of Pellgrini is a bloody good manager.

It always amazes me when Evertonians take the time and dedication to write stuff that is always a good read.

No matter if you agree with the author or not I think all of us that visit this forum on a regular basis would agree we are blessed on ToffeeWeb that we have fans who contribute in many different ways.

Whoever we appoint I feel it will be tough first season – there is a lot of work to do with this team.

He's been a great manager in his time but unfortunately, like some of the great players we've bought on the cheap – they're past their shelf life.

They no longer have the energy and drive they once had. I think that's how many, rightly or wrongly, see Pellegrini. He's a nice guy but when you see him interviews he no longer looks convincing!

We had a young hungry manager who spouted bullshit and was out of his depth.

Pellegrini is a proven manager and won trophies at every clubs he's managed. He may not be the sexy big flamboyant name everyone seems to want, but it would be foolish to over look his ability and suitability for the job.

Agree with Dan@29, just because some managers go bonkers on the touchline doesn't mean they are any better than someone calmer and quieter. Out of the names left in the race and all things considered, he would be my choice.

What worries me far more is that Moyes seems to be the only Manager so far interviewed – although my daughter's just told me that Pellegrini has also been interviewed! You can only guess at how Kenwight must be bending Moshiri's ear to bring his best mate Moyes back. For me, a huge mistake if we do.

We need a right decision and we need it soon!

I just think when you take into account FdB's, Cocu's and Koeman's pedigrees as players and records they've got so far (they can only beat what's put in front of them to an extent) then they are serious contenders. It's not like Ajax and PSV are TNS and Whitby after all....

If we want a "been there, seen it, done it, bought the t-shirt" man, then Daniel #29 is also probably right – in which case the contenders are Pelligrini, Hiddink, Beilsa and Benitez if he was still available.

Thanks Oliver, Sid, David, James....

Mike, great and grim reading there. God, we've had some shite managers. Billy Bingham was the worst of the lot IMO.

There are doubts if Frank de Boer would have the experience necessary for the Premier League and would he be capable of "outwitting" the big names (managers' names) that he'd find himself up against. Or so I read.

Maybe that's why Mr Moshiri is hesitating there....

That's also maybe why it is looking more and more likely that it will someone from Chile with a name beginning with P....?

Maybe.....

I always favoured Emery but it looks like he wont be available.

Cocu hasnt been mentioned so you would have to assume he is not being considered, for that matter include Tuchel too.

I just wonder if we are being aggressive and tempting enough although our supporters need to realise not being in Europe is a big putoff for many.

I believe the two most important qualities are:-

1. Must be able to get respect from ALL the players.

2. Must be tactically adept and flexible.

I was told this by someone working in the ROI squad and travelling with them to the Euros. Could be crap, I know, but he reckons this what the Everton players are suggesting.

Having said that I believe (in this instance) no news is good news. I'm hoping that Mr Moshiri is simply biding his time (for one reason or another) rather than rushing in.

I keep telling myself "Come on, he had the balls to sack Martinez so trust him on this one too." I'd think someone would HAVE to be in place before the Euros start!!

I wonder whether anyone at the club thinking of a Pellegrini/Moyes combination?

"we've had some shite managers. Billy Bingham was the worst of the lot IMO."

Even though he came close to winning the title, the football played under Bingham was truly grim. It was best summed up in a match report I recall from a 1-0 away win at Derby's Baseball ground, notorious for it's absence of the green stuff and being a mud pile.

I can't recall the reporter or the newsy, but I do recall the following in reference to the half time interval of a game void of anything closely resembling football:

"As the mud splattered players left the field at the interval, the groundsmen emerged to probe and prod the remaining sods..."

"I'd like to introduce our new manager," he says. "I'm proud to present our first and only choice, we never even considered anyone else – of course it's DAVID MOYES!!!! Welcome home."

It's going to happen, god help us – everybody else has fucked us off.

Should that happen I would suggest it would be time for a riot!

Picking up Fredericks #18 point how about Bielsa and Unsworth - "El Loco and The Rhino".......?

It could be absolutely baseless but I can definitely vouch for the source.

I know we have one or two on these site who hint at being 'in the know' but my feeling is Garry's rumour could well turn in to fact. I would be happier with this than many other options! Let it be!

My take on him is it will be a relatively short term appointment (2 years max) while we challenge for a top 4 place and move into a new stadium. He will be there to lay solid foundations.

At Real Madrid "He amassed a total of 96 points, a club record.."

"The title winning season was also noted for goal scoring prowess with Manchester City scoring 151 goals in all competitions - an English football record."

Record

Universidad Católica
Copa Chile (1): 1995
Copa Interamericana (1): 1993

LDU Quito
Serie A (1): 1999
San Lorenzo
Primera División (1): 2000–01
Copa Mercosur (1): 2001

River Plate
Primera División (1): 2002–03

Villarreal
UEFA Intertoto Cup (1): 2004

Manchester City
Premier League (1): 2013–14
Football League Cup (2): 2013–14, 2015–16

Preferring to pick on the way he looks or the way he talks, his manner. Blokes a decent manager and after reading this article I'm even more sure he would do a good job with us.

Just think about that for a moment.

Feel free to alternate Lee/Moyes, all the same

We have a real big chance to be brave here and get in FdB as soon as possible and let's start getting rid of the insipid type of players and start to buy Winners all across the park.

I, like a lot of proud Evertonians, have had enough of Managers that say the right things but never deliver. I am old enough to remember the 'Good old days' in the '80s and unfortunately a new generation of fans have grown up not seeing this proud club win anything!

If Bill is a true blue, then he will understand our pain!

They never got flustered, just kept on playing the same way, and never really struck me as a team with much passion.

His track record is very good, but I just think Everton, need more pragmatism in their team, after some of the slow, soulless football, we have watched over the last two seasons.

I said it on another thread, but the thing I want Everton's next manager to bring into the club, is pride in the shirt, and a team with plenty of fight and bottle.

Conte was picked up by Juve after his work at Siena, Tuchel by BVB because of Mainz. The win record was not excellent by any standard but to the fans of those clubs, these 2 worked miracles. Similarly for Emery where he worked miracles not just in lower leagues but also for a giant in Valencia.

Emery would be my pick, I wish Moshiri would just throw good money at him to see if he can be tempted. Had our current situation be 2 years from now, we might have enough evidence on Howe to see if he can make it count in the big leagues.

Until we hear official releases, we're guessing who's coming or not, except Favre who joined Nice. Hopefully it would be one of the hotter properties, but I think most are ready for FdB or Pellegrini.

Shows what a mob of inbreds we have.

He is RM but with titles in many different countries, many domestic medals, experience in high profile jobs, and a history of taking clubs to the latter stages of the CL.

How would it be a backward step? If Everton went any more backward than the past twenty odd years we'd be championship material!

Somebody has been hanging around City fans too much I'm guessing.

Frank De Boer looks good... but we have concerns about his adherence to Total Football which looks like it has been surpassed as tactical best practice. I don't want him to learn this lesson slowly at Everton.

But having said that both of them are top managers and would be a step forward.

So I always had a soft spot for him, even when the fans turned against him and the form of the team collapsed. I used to argue with my brother about the merits of Duncan MacKenzie. A great entertainer (and holder of 10 O-Levels!) – but ran sideways a lot! My brother was a fan but I always wanted someone who would give more to the team overall.

When Kendall took over we were in a terrible situation, as was football generally. Attendances were down, stadiums decrepit, matches were dangerous. Clubs generally were really struggling.

The first Everton game I can vividly remember was the 1986 final. I assumed Everton would be good forever and took Philip Carter's word for it that Colin Harvey was best man for the job. Oh well.

We should go with De Boer imo and a director of football who has no loyalty to players who who need moving on.

Can't wait for him to go, the arrogant prick.

The sooner he's gone the better, if he can get his head out the door on the way out that is.

From my own point of view I would not favour Pellegrini for a number of reasons.

First ,is he still 'hungry' to win or has he reached an age where he can take it or leave it and is the answer reflected in the way he reacted after the announcement of his demise by Man City – dignity or indifference? I for one think he no loner has the desire or the passion to take on a 3/5yr challenge.

Secondly, he had the largest war chest since the Russian entered Chelsea, and still could not beat Leicester to the title or win anything other than the League Cup – yes, more than us but, with 10 times the amount of money, is that a good return?

Finally look at some of his buys – Stirling, Ottamendi, Demichelles, Mangala, Bony – how many would we take, even now with our current squad? Like other posters I have a number of Man City friends and their view can be summarised by ' nice man, average manager who can't defend and wastes an awful lot of money' very similar to RM without the money!!!

FdB for me, hungry to make a name, knowledgeable, contacts in the game, footballing brain and a winner.

On a par with Moyes & Martinez which is not a great stat. I always felt Harvey was a bit unlucky as a manager but what a great player.

On a point of accuracy in Mike's article, Catterick not Moyes was our longest serving post-war manager. Catterick was appointed in April 1961 and served until April 1973. Moyes was appointed in March 2002 and served until May 2013.

I agree with the thrust of the article. We should aim to get the best but the key words are ....'we can get'.

To be honest the whole thing didn't take that long and was more me thinking out loud, there are no doubt errors everywhere. It's all very one dimensional but what it has given me is an idea of who I definitely DON'T want - which, unfortunately is all of the British options - add Ryan Giggs to that list and it gets worse! I'll make an exception for Big Joe and Rhino (see Frederick #18) but that's it I think.

Just passing the time......

So, did Ranieri win the league or did Spurs lose it?

Discuss.

The people that really matter US the supporter's, have absolutely no idea who that is. This is such a bad signal for those looking for a change in how the club is run, to most of us it stinks of BK.

It looks like business as usual, smoke and mirrors the Everton way, failure.
Why has it taking so long to make a decision ?
Who ever we pick will be a gamble, there are manager's out there with a proven track record of winning games.

Just have the bottle to pick one and back him financially, the waiting game is over,

Emery 11/4
Pellegrini 7/2
DM 5/1

I hope the front two are 19 lengths clear in horse racing terms.

Moyes simply cannot happen, its punters putting 2 and 2 together and getting 5. Isn't it? Surely...

...unless BK has got his calculator out and said to Moshiri "I gave him £10m a year and he gave me £15m back...", plugs in Moshiri's planned investment, presses "=", turns it towards Moshiri who's face lights up in GOLD like the villain at the end of Raiders of the Lost Ark...

"GOLD Farhad Darling, the mans pure GOLD...."

Nah... surely not...

ps: Just watching the local news and the bus driver who won the lottery is buying season tickets for EFC. Good luck to him.

And the winner is...................................?

It's all guess work about a person who no one on the site has ever spoke to, ever met... the custodians will appoint who they want and thanks to the Sky money, what we think or want, will not matter one jot.

Meanwhile, on lake Windermere Chairman Bill is wining and dining David on his dinghy promising him that everything is going fabulously well and that he, Billy Boy, has Moshiri in his back pocket.

Coming to a Football Ground near you.....

Horse racing, donkeys, thoroughbreds, yachts, dinghies, Monaco, the Lake District.

I just hope that Moshiri is Muhammad Ali to the past board's Audley Harrison.

Or Roger Federer to their Buster Mottram.

Or Frankel to their Neddy the donkey on Blackpool beach.
(No offence to Neddy, you do a great job.)

I have to say I think I want a nutter in charge. To qualify I need an action man, energetic type. So Pellegrini will not do. The board are doing themselves no favours in taking their own sweet time, with so many clubs moving forward, alas we look far behind the rest.

I'm hoping for a left field appointment, but I fear disappointment lurking. I'd love Moshiri to throw the money at someone crazy, like Tuchel for example... but again that nagging millstone which is now becoming the chairman tugs away at my head knowing it won't happen.

For many this is a massive crossroads for our club, if this time we don't show the ambition that has been leached from us since the late '80s I fear we will again miss the boat, like we did in the early '90s.

Feels like we are sleepwalking into a poor appointment....

Better that than listening to Kenwright, me thinks

Whoever gets the job will naturally aim to qualify for a European competition, we need to cope with both competitions. A manager with this experience will know what type of team to build, who we need on the bench (should players get injured or generally need to be rested) and which U21s are capable of stepping up to this level.

Perhaps a points per game rating would be more revealing.

Win rate 29.1%, points per game 1.14.

Here endeth the lesson, as they say...

Scary to see Mike Walker's name again, I had just about banished the memories !

I hope that the 'abyss' that we currently appear to be in , is soon a distant memory, and we are all on a legal high with news of our new leader.

Nervous.....absolutely.

Can't see ZZ moving to the north of England, so the means an announcement of Diego Simeone will be made on Monday as the new manager of our wonderful club - it's obvious when you really think about it - isn't it?

Oh, and for the record, his stats while managing Atletico since 2011 are:

Games (259) Win (164) Draw (51) Lost (44) Win % (63.32).

I'll take 63.32% anytime!

Ah well, it looks like Steve Bruce – God help us!

"Looking at the list above it's simple for me then – invite the three Dutchmen in for interview and offer the job to the one we like the best."

That's what we've effectively done so no complaints from me,

Good luck Ronald - here's to a great future!

COYB.