Reports: Everton reject 20m bid for Stones

17/07/2015  188 Comments  [Jump to last]

Stones underscored his maturity and composure with another impressive penalty in Wednesday's penalty shootout win over Stoke in the Asia Trophy (Lionel Ng/Getty Images)
Chelsea have made their first concrete move to try and prise John Stones away from Goodison Park with a 20m bid, according to reports.

Sky Sports News and a number of other media reports claim that Everton have rejected the offer from the Premier League Champions, with the Liverpool Echo suggesting that it is their understanding that the player is not for sale this summer.

The Daily Mail, meanwhile, report that Chelsea will return with a 26m bid, while there have also been assertions that Everton value the 21-year-old around 30m – although The Mirror assert that even bids north of40m would be waved away.

Since joining the Blues in January 2013, Stones's rise to prominence as arguably the finest central-defender of his age in the country has been rapid, with the Barnsley-born player now a first-choice starter in Roberto Martinez's team.

Though his value in his preferred central position has eluded Roy Hodgson at international level, Stones has also broken through to the senior England team, albeit mostly as a right back, and was on stand-by for the final 2014 World Cup squad.

Rumours of interest from the likes of Chelsea and Manchester United have inevitably surfaced in recent months but now Jose Mourinho appears to be making his move for someone whom he no doubt sees as a long-term replacement for the ageing John Terry.

The reports come just hours after Stones, together with Seamus Coleman, told a fan event in Singapore that they were looking forward to progressing with Everton where they are both very happy plying their trade.

"My aim going into the season is to try to nail down a regular spot in this Everton team and hopefully that will take care of playing for England as well," Stones said. "I want to keep learning from the likes of Phil Jagielka and keep progressing at this Club."

Meanwhile, Coleman until recently, the subject of reported interest from United himself expressed similar sentiments to the fans gathered.

"This is a special club, a family-oriented Club where it is a great place to go into work every day," he said.

"Now we need to work hard for the coming season and hopefully we can win some silverware, be it the League Cup or the FA Cup."  


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Colin Glassar
2 Posted 17/07/2015 at 10:37:40
We've just told Chelsea to do one with their 㿀m bid for Stonesy. Well done EFC.
Sam Hoare
3 Posted 17/07/2015 at 10:48:54
Good stuff, Colin.
Danny Halsall
4 Posted 17/07/2015 at 10:49:20
I've just seen that as well, Colin, it's great that we have turned down the 㿀 million bid, but I don't think that will be the end of it. Just hope that the young lad's head doesn't get turned!
Sam Hoare
5 Posted 17/07/2015 at 10:52:00
If David Luiz cost 㿞M then they can pay us the same for Stones!! In reality if they bid over 㿊M the board will accept it...
Victor Yu
6 Posted 17/07/2015 at 10:52:53
I think Stones will become more valuable than Shaw. So anything below $30M is a no-no to me.
Matt Butlin
7 Posted 17/07/2015 at 10:57:11
I don't like this... Rumours of Evans coming in followed closely by a bid for Stones.
Charlie Dixon
8 Posted 17/07/2015 at 10:57:04
Nightmare re Stones. By far our most promising player. We shouldn't sell him for anything less than 㿔M. Think Bradford get a hefty percentage of any future sales so we want net 㿊M for him. I personally wouldn't sell him for anything as he's price and stock will raise by at least 㾶M after another full season playing for us.

I'm genuinely gutted about this...

Colin Glassar
9 Posted 17/07/2015 at 10:54:46
I heard we turned down a bid for McCarthy (from Spurs) a few days ago Sam.

No coincidence the Stones-Coleman interview yesterday (saying they're both happy to stay at Everton and win things) and Roberto's no nonsense answer today re Macca. The plan is to build something special, not improve other teams' squads.

Michael Ward
10 Posted 17/07/2015 at 11:06:38
Sky - Everton reject 㿀M bid from Chelsea for John Stones.... And so it begins.

I am now a bit worried he is going to be sold.

James Morgan
11 Posted 17/07/2015 at 11:12:34
Charlie, I think Barnsley would be pissed off if the sell on fee went to Bradford!

We can't sell for less than 㿊M I say. Ferdinand was that price over ten years ago.

Jim Knightley
12 Posted 17/07/2015 at 11:08:50
The Stones bid..it's a nightmare. We cannot let him go, but I'm just waiting for Chelsea to keep coming back. He is the best young Cb around and this had a sense of inevitability about it, but I assumed bidding wouldn't start to next season.

We need to keep our best players, be it McCarthy or Stones. We can't just keep investing, because it will halt our progress. If we had a poor squad, like when we sold Rooney, that would be different, but we don't. If we sell a big player, we will be hard pressed to replace them with quality, and will end up going with the slippery quantity route. We can improve our team with the CB and creative midfielder, and then bring in a striker on loan. If we did that, there is no reason we couldnt push for a top 6 finish and go for a cup. Our first eleven is plenty good enough, we just need to find confidence and the right tactics again. A more promising pre-season will begin that process.

Also, we need a senior CB. Talk of us going into the season with only 2 senior CBs is madness. Galloway and Browning are not ready, and may never be good enough. They may well be playing in lower leagues in the future. There is no way that we can risk them 1) playing well enough 2) the consequences on their development when they don't play well. Chambers was a perfect example of that last season - he lost all confidence because he was playing when he shouldn't have been. I doubt we will see him back in the Arsenal first eleven in the league for at least a year now.

I'm happy we are not paying 8mil for Evans, but I'd take him for 4 rising to 6, because we need another option (or on a free next year). If not, let's look at the Celtic guy and Vlaar. We need to find someone willing to fight for a place and maybe sit on the bench. Going for a player failing to get games at a bigger club, or a younger player in a lesser league/lower league who has been playing consistently well, makes the most sense.

We need to keep McCarthy and Stones and bring in a CB and a creative mid before the season starts. If we do that, I think we will have plenty of reasons to feel optimistic.

Colin Glassar
13 Posted 17/07/2015 at 11:22:12
We need to call Jose's bluff, 㿔m for Stones plus Hazard. I'm sure Jose will go off crying to papa Abe and they will come back with a 㿅m bid in a few days time. Don't be surprised if they offer 㿊m on the final day of the window.
James Stewart
14 Posted 17/07/2015 at 11:43:18
Selling Stones would be absolute suicide. He is equivalent to Rooney in his position and will be the player of his generation. We are not in the financial position we were when we sold Rooney so don't need to do it.

Stones is a down to earth Northern lad who I can't see having his head turned and unless he demands a move I wouldn't even sell him for 㿞m!

Stuart Mitchell
15 Posted 17/07/2015 at 12:21:04
I really hope we do not sell but, if the offer starts getting closer to 㿊M, we all know the club will accept.
Erik Dols
16 Posted 17/07/2015 at 12:30:45
Just a couple of seasons ago I would have accepted 㿊M for nearly every player, Stuart. But in the current day and age 㿊M for a 21-years-young English international with four years running on his current contract is too low.

Shaw went for more when he wasn't capped yet and this might be looking through blue glasses but I think Stones is better/has more potential than Shaw. Apart from that, I just don't want to lose the lad.

Ian Riley
17 Posted 17/07/2015 at 12:48:05
My worst fear! Evans in, Stones out! Never mind, always going to move on and win leagues and cups! Same old Everton, never going to challenge the big boys in my lifetime! All credit to those who spend thousands of pounds on a club happy with mid table!
Ernie Baywood
18 Posted 17/07/2015 at 12:53:02
England hasn't produced a defender like Stones since... ever? The boy is one of a kind.

I can't imagine what sort of price might be acceptable. He's almost too precious?

Erik Dols
19 Posted 17/07/2015 at 12:58:41
Well I would accept 𧶲m if we use 𧶀m for redeveloping Goodison and 㿞m for new players.
Joe Foster
20 Posted 17/07/2015 at 13:02:34
I will be gutted if we sell Stones.
Joe O'Brien
21 Posted 17/07/2015 at 13:11:41
You couldn't put a price on John Stones... If Sterling went for 㿞mil, Stones is definitely worth that much if not more.

But even if that bid comes in for him,it should still be rejected. We need to be building the team around him Barkley McCarthy Coleman and Lukaku, not selling them off for profit.

Jamie Barlow
22 Posted 17/07/2015 at 13:19:25
We need to remind them that they got 㿞 million for David fuckin Luiz.
David Chait
23 Posted 17/07/2015 at 13:28:32
Not one to get to wound up by these things.. Players come and go.. All I can think of saying is...

Fuck you Chelsea!!! Take your pocket change and shove it up your arse! In fact I don't give a rats arse for your money no matter how much you want to throw at us!

Everton are a club that when we love a player that relationship is worth more than anything.. And we love Stones!

Joe Foster
24 Posted 17/07/2015 at 13:45:25
Ha ha... remember that 㿞 mill for David Luiz? You kind of have to let it sink in. Abromovich must have nearly choked on his premium vodka and caviar.
Dave Pritchard
25 Posted 17/07/2015 at 13:50:11
Lukaku cost us 㿈m from Chelsea so Stones must cost them at least 㿊m.

I think we all know that if he keeps progressing and we do not then this sort of transfer will happen in the not too distant future.

Dermot O'Brien
26 Posted 17/07/2015 at 14:07:31
Well said David Chait.
Chris Gould
27 Posted 17/07/2015 at 13:58:19
Tired of newspapers implying that our players are there to be snapped up by others. We need to make it clear that we are building a team for the future, and not a selling club.
Joe O'Brien
28 Posted 17/07/2015 at 14:08:07
Said it before, if Sterling went for 㿞mil Stones is worth at least that. Even if they bid that we should still reject it. We need to be building the team around him Barkley, McCarthy Coleman and Lukaku not selling them for profit.

Heard Stonesy giving a interview after the bid came in and he said he loves it at the club and wants to concentrate on cementing his place in the starting 11 and learning off Jags. And he loves it at this great club. Good stuff, Stonesy!

Ian Reed
29 Posted 17/07/2015 at 14:19:21
I'd hate to be in David Chait's way when he actually is wound up.
Ian McDowell
30 Posted 17/07/2015 at 14:17:53
Hope he stays. I'm expecting Chelsea to come back with a much improved offer. Don't think we will sell unless he begins to force the move.
Kristian Boyce
31 Posted 17/07/2015 at 14:03:32
Chelsea have finally caught on that flashing the cash gets them screwed over. They aren't like Man City anymore and won't be over charged like them. They also seem to take no for an answer. I can see one more bid at around £25m at that's it. I think if we get somewhere around £32m Kenwright will accept due to the fact Barnsley have the sell on clause.

But Chelsea have some bargaining chip for the deal, the Lukaku money still owed plus the ability to add a string of talented youngsters as part of it, either permanently or on loan.

Dave Pritchard
32 Posted 17/07/2015 at 14:25:31
Joe (49) would say no to 㿞m... Not so sure myself.

Doesn't mean that I don't rate Stones but that would be some offer. Can't see them going that high anyway so probably a moot point.

Alan McGuffog
34 Posted 17/07/2015 at 14:25:37
I can cope with the fact that we are a mid table, "selling club". That's life I guess. I fondly remember the days when we poached up and coming players.
What I find deeply depressing is the lack of respect shown us by these pitiful offers. Indicative of just how far we have slumped in the eyes of the football world.
Jim Bennings
35 Posted 17/07/2015 at 14:31:51
It states Chelsea will return with a 㿆 million bid, I just hope we remain strong and don't feel pressured into selling.

If Stones leaves for 㿆 million we could do one of two thing's..

Offer Stoke 㾻 million for Ryan Shawcross or....

Move for Johnny Evans and offer QPR 㾻 million for Charlie Austin.

Liam Reilly
36 Posted 17/07/2015 at 14:27:58
Dog eat dog I'm afraid. Everton does the same to clubs less fancied than us.

Would like him to stay, but just hope his head isn't turned and he goes on the final day when there's no time for a replacement and the money disappears into the mysterious Black Hole.


David Chait
37 Posted 17/07/2015 at 14:33:22
Haha, Ian, probably the most outspoken I have been on this site since 2004. Truth is for a select handful of players I don't mind my heart ruling my head. Stones is one of them. If I had to be purely think commercially then sure 30m (which is the price I reckon) we could replace him with an excellent replacement and have change, but it wouldn't feel the same.

There is something about having probably the best young English defender in a generation in our ranks that gives me huge pride.

To put this into perspective I was pushing to let Baines go 2 years ago and even feel we could cash in on McCarthy this year. This one feels personal.

Stewart Lowe
38 Posted 17/07/2015 at 14:37:01
We all know everybody has a price and I wouldn't let Stones go for a penny less than £40m in today's market prices. If Rio Ferdinand cost Man Utd £32m 12 years ago then Stones is worth more than that right now.
Keith Monaghan
39 Posted 17/07/2015 at 14:38:52
Tell them to get lost - no way must we sell now for a penny less than £50M - this lad may not be a forward like the RS's ex-RS, but he's got a good head on his shoulders, whereas RS is highly likely to go further off the rails than he already is.
John Crawley
40 Posted 17/07/2015 at 14:37:05
Everton hold all the cards in this situation. He has 4 years left on his contract and if he develops as we all hope he is going to be worth a lot more money in a year or two. The £20 million bid is derisory when you consider the prices that English players go for and how long Stones has on his contract. At some point we are going to have to sell him if we don't get in the Champions league etc. However now would not be the time to do it as we wouldn't be maximising his transfer value.

The club should come out with a strongly worded statement and say the player isn't for sale no matter what the bid, end of story.

Denis Richardson
41 Posted 17/07/2015 at 14:39:08
All players come and go and we'll sell Stones at some point. Thankfully the Sky money means we're not desperate anymore so can 'afford' to turn down a 㿀m bid.

However, if Chelsea start offering silly money (e.g.㿊-35m+) then we may need to get realistic...just saying, no player is unsellable and he's still far from the finished article.

I'd accept a 㿊m bid plus they loan him back to us for another season and pay his wages.

Matthew Williams
42 Posted 17/07/2015 at 14:42:38
㿀 mill buys his left foot! We need to keep the lad, he's quality loves our great club (by all accounts).

We need to build around him, future Captain, leader & I believe... Winner!

Joe O'Brien
43 Posted 17/07/2015 at 14:38:32
Dave, I’d seriously think about rejecting 㿞M. In two years time he’ll be worth easily that. How much of the 㿞M would we really see reinvested back into the team?

Taking into consideration the amount Barnsley get for the sell on (don’t know how much) we might be left with 㿀M to mess around with. John is worth far far more than that.

Dominic Tonge
44 Posted 17/07/2015 at 14:44:45
I have to say that, if we get an offer of more than 㿅 million, we will probably sell. The amount would allow us to go and get someone like Aymeric Laporte or Varane, both of who would be as good if not better than Stones. It would be a 㿀 million plus profit on a player we did not invest anything in the development of. We paid Barnsley some ١ million...

Remember who is in charge, remember Fellaini, Lescott, Rooney, Arteta. We will sell if the money is right. Sad but true.

Anyway.... Where is this centre midfield schemer that El Bob thought you could only get abroad? Any news on that front?

Kevin Gillen
45 Posted 17/07/2015 at 15:04:01
John Stones will be the England Captain within five years. He should never be sold. £20m is an insult and an attempt to unsettle the team. I predict Ty Browning will make it and am looking forward to seeing us purchase another centre back before the transfer deadline.
Jim Knightley
46 Posted 17/07/2015 at 15:06:38
Dominic - Varane, as in the starting Real Madrid defender?

This is the problem with having money but losing a top player - we can't go out and buy top players, because they play for teams better than us in the main. This is exactly what Spurs and Liverpool experienced.

David Chait
47 Posted 17/07/2015 at 15:16:47
This thread has me remembering when Rodwell was 20 or whatever and the next England Capt.. etc.. It seemed so nailed on... and no I'm not doubting for a second Stones isn't good enough.

The GOT thread is decent on the topic.. very interesting post from a Barnsley fan about when they sold up.

Geez.. we go through this over one player every few years.. Southampton have this like twice a season.. how are they not suicidal?

Tony Doran
48 Posted 17/07/2015 at 15:18:44
It's madness now the way the Premier League has gone. But on the current market and taking into account the price some drift wood is going for, this lad must not go for less than 㿼M. If you think I'm bonkers, look at David Luis 㿞M, Sterling 㿝M...

No one can ever be 100% sure of any but this lad is nailed on to be one of the best defenders in the world. In the world of stupid sales this, would blow the Keown and Matterazi sales out the water. Let's see if we have learnt.

Jim Lloyd
49 Posted 17/07/2015 at 15:20:20
We would be stark, staring mad if we gave even momentary consideration of selling Stonesy.

If the other lot got £50 mill for Sterling, whose done bugger all except in fleeting cameos, then we should at least look at the future England Captain as at least as valuable.

But if he wants to stay at EFC then I hope we never sell him. We're getting a good group of young lads together, with hopefully more to come in.

I hope he does a Brian Labone and becomes the club captain and England international.

James Newcombe
50 Posted 17/07/2015 at 15:28:01
I say keep him. Otherwise we'll definitely be all:

"Where's the Stones money, Bill?"

John Pickles
51 Posted 17/07/2015 at 15:29:08
Unless Stones asks for a transfer, there is no reason to sell, unless they offer silly money.
Jim Hardin
52 Posted 17/07/2015 at 15:31:47
Still a young player who has several large gaps in his game as a central defender. He has improved in the areas which are his strengths but not in the areas of his weaknesses which include positioning and contesting crosses as well as marking.

Terry would be an excellent person from whom he could learn to be a complete player (as a player not a human being) as I do not think he will get the training at Everton. Still a sale of Stones and a loan back for this season would be a great bit of business for the right price. Everton is going to lose Stones either this year, next year, or the one after that so why not use it to the club's advantage?

If the sale did occur with a loan back, I would still get Cameron. Without a loan back, then I would switch my sights from Cameron to Shawcross, whom I rate very highly, and go with our young players behind Jags and Shawcross.

Nicky Styles
53 Posted 17/07/2015 at 15:47:00
Oh its Joleon Lescott all over again.....
His head will be turned
Harold Matthews
54 Posted 17/07/2015 at 15:25:30
Still some way from being the finished article and apt to commit schoolboy errors, but he is a treasure for the future and we must not let him go.
Jay Harris
55 Posted 17/07/2015 at 15:44:28
This is more about a statement of intent than one player. If all the monied clubs are allowed to swallow up all the talent then when will the status quo ever be broken?

If we consider ourselves a serious football club, we will not sell Coleman, McCarthy, Stones or Barkley. We need to add experienced quality to these lads and let them grow into a proper force. That is the only way we will be a top club again.

Colin Glassar
56 Posted 17/07/2015 at 15:58:17
I’d sell him only if......... Abramovitch agrees to buy us, build a new stadium and invest 𧺬m into the team. Oh, and he chucks Billy Boy into the Mersey. Take it or leave it Roman.
Jamie Crowley
57 Posted 17/07/2015 at 16:04:04
I don't care what the price is... we can't sell John Stones! Stand firm Bill and Roberto!

Jay Harris speaks the truth - this is a statement of intent.

No thank you Chelsea. Crawl back underneath your bazillion dollar dwelling / rock from which you came!

Mark Tanton
58 Posted 17/07/2015 at 16:03:58
Sorry chaps, but we all know how this story progresses. Yes we have declined the offer, but soon it will be 㿊 million and hard to turn down.
Mike Childs
59 Posted 17/07/2015 at 15:51:19
I said it before and I'll say it again Jimmy Mac is my favorite player but I would be more gutted to loose Stones than him. First and foremost because we are so thin at CB and second and more important his untapped potential.
Drew O'Neall
60 Posted 17/07/2015 at 16:11:48
If Mourinho wants him that instantly makes him one of the best centre halves in the world because Mourinho knows defenders.

Don't want him to go but he has to be worth at least 1.5 times what Man Utd paid for Rio Ferdinand in today's money.

Jim Bennings
61 Posted 17/07/2015 at 16:08:32
Sadly a lack of success/ Champions League appearances always means we are not likely to keep hold of any talented player with a possible big future in the game. Stones will probably leave if not this year for 㿊 million then next year for sure.

This is Everton FC and the level we are now at, it's simple fact. It's how we spend the money; we need two proven Premier League players with this cash.

Brian Porter
62 Posted 17/07/2015 at 16:14:07
Both Martinez and Phil Jagielka have stated in recent months that they see a new Everton being built around players like John Stones. So, now us the time for the club to prove it. Tell Chelsea to get stuffed and remind Stonesy he will be a first choice for Everton and a bench warmer for Chelsea. England caps far more likely at present if he stays with us. And, if Raheem Sterling is worth £48m then an offer of just £20m for Stones is a joke.
Andrew Ellams
63 Posted 17/07/2015 at 16:25:29
I think this was just a cheeky out-of-hand bid, Chelsea trying their luck. I don't think they will be back with a higher bid
Christopher Wallace
65 Posted 17/07/2015 at 16:40:39
I think Stones is smart enough to know that he is guaranteed football at Everton, time is very much on his side, and the interest from the big clubs will still be there in a few years.

We hold all the aces and accepting a bid below £40m would be criminal in my opinion. He is worth £25m on merit. Factor in the home grown element, the character of the lad, the very likely scenario that he will continue improving for the next 7-8 years, the lack of quality options available in that position... We should definitely be talking about £50m.

In other words - go fuck yourselves ya cheeky bastards!

Liam Reilly
66 Posted 17/07/2015 at 16:44:31
They'll be back with a £26 Million offer in the next 48 hours if the Mail is correct (which isn't often, but in this case...... ).

Every player has their price - say £50M not negotiable; else we'll have another Rooney or Lescott saga.

Steve Fletcher
67 Posted 17/07/2015 at 16:38:53
Stones’s value will go up over the next year or two- he will be in the Euro’s team next summer. We all know the potential of the lad. Chelsea don’t need him at the moment (Terry, Cahill, Zouma & Ivanovic can all play at CB, and that's without checking any of the other players in the squad or they out on loan).

BUT....what Chelsea don’t want to do is let him to go to either of the Manchester clubs anytime soon. This will end up in a bidding war sooner or later, and 㿀m, if a bid even happened, is nowhere near what Stones will go for.

Ian Riley
68 Posted 17/07/2015 at 16:47:53
It's when not if! The right price, 㿊 or 40 million, it doesn't matter. Every year we all know someone with ability will go! Why? What can Everton hope for, a cup run, 6 or 7 in the league. Sadly the reality is clubs like Everton cannot compete. The gap between clubs in the league is that of society.

People on the forum will say every player has their price but how do you keep the hope that one day your club will become one of the best. How can Sky claim the Premier League is the best league in the world when only five teams will compete for the top four places?

Sadly year after year the top clubs will cream the best players from smaller clubs. The problem is expectation and year after year the less you have. It could be worse... we could support Aston villa!

James Richard
69 Posted 17/07/2015 at 16:53:17
I just hope Chelsea don't come back in with say 㿆m and knock off 㾶m of the remaining Lukaku money. Elstone and his cronies would be rubbing their hands together with an offer like that.

Then, as usual, the money disappears down the black hole that is Everton's boardroom.

Dave Pritchard
70 Posted 17/07/2015 at 17:11:37
Steve, I really hope you are right about Stones's value going up over the next year or two (if he stays anyway). However, someone mentioned Rodwell earlier. Wonder what he would sell for today? Maybe ٣m maximum.

You just never know how young players will develop which makes the future value of a player impossible to predict.

Barry Stevens
71 Posted 17/07/2015 at 17:10:56
On paper we have our best squad in years. We have to make our intent clear. The manager has again this week been giving interviews, stating his ambition to challenge at the top and win trophies. The board have to show that's their ambition also.
Iain Thomson
72 Posted 17/07/2015 at 16:44:28
People talk about the fee like it's relevant... If the money isn't put back into the squad, it doesn't matter a shit. With the home-grown element, any young British player will appeal to the rich clubs. If Chelsea interest is real then it's likely he will go.

He isn't an Everton fan any more than he was a Barnsley fan. If he stays, I'll be delighted; he's got enormous potential but, got to be realistic, they need to replace Terry and a home-grown replacement is ideal.

Alexander O'Brien
73 Posted 17/07/2015 at 17:30:06
Nice to see no-one's panicking then!
Colin Glassar
74 Posted 17/07/2015 at 17:14:59
Chelsea have 71 (that's seventy-one) players on their books... most of them are good young players who haven't got a chance of ever playing for them. They are like Milan in the early 90s who just bought every good player available just to spite their rivals. I say we tell them to go fuck themselves!!
Chris Wilson
75 Posted 17/07/2015 at 17:33:34
No kidding Alexander O’Brien. Interesting that some folks here were so adamant that the Evans deal wasn’t going to happen; despite every tabloid and Sky saying it WAS happening with prices ranging from ٢.5 million plus add-ons to a straight ٦ million pound fee.

But now, every tabloid and Sky announce that Chelsea has made a (insulting) bid for John Stones, and the reaction is instantly, "Well, that’s it. He’s on his way."

Steve Fletcher
76 Posted 17/07/2015 at 17:24:26
Dave@556. True. Still think Rodwell had all the attributes to have become a great player but his problem, sadly, is that he was made of glass (and the move to Man City did him no favours).

Injuries can could always happen but Stones, like Rooney, is as near to a certainty that he will go to great things as its possible to make these days, if he stays injury-free. Because of where and how he plays, there is less stress on his body than in other positions.

I'm showing my age but I think he's the classiest young player, albeit nowhere near the finished article, at CB I've seen since Colin Todd. Worth every penny of 㿞m on current prices and sometime in the next few years he will go for around that.

Christopher Wallace
77 Posted 17/07/2015 at 17:40:15
Dave,

I get where you're coming from, but Rodwell had shown only glimpses and was bought by Man City almost entirely on potential.

Stones hit the ground running in a position where experience counts for a lot. He is maturing and improving almost game to game, and his attitude leads me to believe that he will continue to improve.

He has had the odd dodgy game, Anfield last season for example, but his ability to dust himself off, learn from mistakes and come out stronger the next game speaks volumes about his character.

He is our best player in my opinion, and I believe we would curse ourselves for letting him go below 㿞m.

Great young CBs are at a premium. For a club like Chelsea to sign a homegrown quality CB would give them more scope to bring in quality attacking players from abroad. It also gives them continuity of English CBs -- from Terry/Cahill to Cahill/Stones.

㿀m is an absolute insult to be honest.

Chris Wilson
78 Posted 17/07/2015 at 17:50:00
And that's the reason he won't be going, Colin. John Stones will be a first team example of their youth system.

If Stones left for them this season; he'll play the odd match. Certainly in the cup games, maybe get a substitute appearance in the CL - all at right back of course.

Then John Terry retires next summer. So that means Stones will slide in and immediately become Cahill's partner, yes? No. Jose will declare him not ready for the weekly grind, and Chelsea will be back in the market for a "proven" central defender who has CL experience.

Then John finds is playing time is less, and less, and less. Just like all of the talented Chelsea youth players who were told that they will always be considered for first team positions when they are ready. But all they see is one transfer after another come in and take away their chances. Same thing happening at Man City.

Steve Guy
79 Posted 17/07/2015 at 17:56:54
Stones will be worth £50M in no time at all. Both he and Everton have time on their side. So tell Abramovich and his mate Mourinho to "do one" as I believe they say on that neck of the woods.
Gavin Johnson
80 Posted 17/07/2015 at 18:00:27
It wouldn't at all surprise me if he's sold, but anything less than 㿊m is giving him away, and a 㿀m offer is derisory! Rio Ferdinand went for 㿉m over 10 years ago, not to mention Luke Shaw and Melanga from Man City both costing around 㿊m. On that basis, Stones is worth 㿔m all day long!

Whether that would be paid in one go, let alone offered remains to be seen, but that's the marker we should put down. I'd actually be gutted if he was sold for that much... He's the one player we can ill-afford to lose.

Colin Glassar
81 Posted 17/07/2015 at 18:01:27
Chris, all Stonesy has to do is look at Chelsea's track record with young players, eg, Sinclair, McCeachran, Moses, De Bruyne etc, etc..... Not only young players but established stars like Veron, Schurrle, Crespo, Schevchenko, Torres, Mata, Alex etc..... They were ruined players, damaged goods after they left Chelsea.

Look at what they're doing to Cuadrado now and Saleh (?)... excellent young players who they can't fit into the team, even Oscar's future is in doubt.
If I was a young player like Stones, I wouldn't touch a team like Man City or Chelsea with a barge pole. They aren't interested in developing players, they just want to fulfill their 'homegrown' quota.

Chris Wilson
82 Posted 17/07/2015 at 18:02:53
I'm sure right now, Jose Mourinho is sending his first eleven all sprinting toward Bill Kenwright; surrounding him, shouting, and making "card' gestures with their hands (which in this context is considered "money" gestures). All trying to distract Bill, while a couple of the Chelsea players on the outskirts of the pack put a choke hold on John Stones, rendering him unconscious, then they gag him and bag him, and take him away.
Paul Hewitt
83 Posted 17/07/2015 at 18:18:33
Nothing less than 㿏 million and Remy.
Colin Glassar
84 Posted 17/07/2015 at 18:14:35
Oh, and before I'm finished. I'm sure that Chelsea will be wheeling out their media savvy former players like Wilkins, Cascarino, Dixon etc...saying they are shocked and disgusted the way a club like Everton are denying a player like John Stones to play for a bigger club like Chelsea.

I'm also certain their southern hacks like Beasley, Samuels, Wallace and Jason Burt will also be writing page after page on why John Stones should become a Chelsea player. Be prepared for the media onslaught, people. This is just the beginning.

Steve Cotton
85 Posted 17/07/2015 at 18:23:46
Sorry. There's no smoke without fire. He's gone this window.

All this messing about will get us a few extra mill to probably 㿉 mill but he is gone.

Steve Fletcher
86 Posted 17/07/2015 at 18:27:41
Steve @ 85.

I think you'll find there is a lot of smoke without fire. Every single day. In every single newspaper. On almost every single transfer story. We've already sold Baines, Coleman, McCarthy, Mirallas to Man Utd, Man City, Chelsea, Tottenham etc (Shuffle around in any combination you want; it's nearly always but always, bullshit.)

Chris Wilson
87 Posted 17/07/2015 at 18:23:48
Saw this on the Echo website; Harry Redknapp's comments about the Stones to Chelsea rumors,

"If I was advising John Stones I'd tell him to stay at Everton rather than move to Chelsea.

"He's a good young player and has a bright future, but look at the Chelsea defence - John Terry is going to play another season, Gary Cahill will mostly likely play alongside him and Branislav Ivanovic is a monster at right-back and you're not going to get him out of the side.

"Stones needs to be playing regularly and at Everton he'll get that. England also need him to be playing as often as possible and Everton are a good, big club with a good manager. They may have had a disappointing campaign last season but they'll do better this year.

"We had a look at him when I was at Spurs but we didn't go for him as we had Kyle Walker, but if I could offer any advice to him I'd tell him to stay put and keep on learning."

For what it's worth, the Echo says nobody at the club is interested in selling John Stones. Calls the 㿀 million bid insulting. But then they leave it with the old "But Liverpool didn't want to sell Sterling, and Villa didn't want to sell Delph, but he looks to finally be going to Man City... nine times out of ten, if Chelsea identify a target they usually get it."

Thanks for the support, you Echo Assholes!!

Hugh Jenkins
89 Posted 17/07/2015 at 18:17:57
It strikes me that Stone's isn't like the "average" footballer who has all hi brains in his feet. He comes across as a young man who is mature beyond his years and well balanced to boot (hark back to the comment that whilst with England U21s he was the only player in the squad who did not have a "Twitter" account.

Bear in mind that last year he signed a new 5-year contract with Everton. Bear in mind too that the club may eventually "agree" to sell him, for the "right price" -- but he has to agree personal terms too, or there is no deal.

Given his comments earlier to day in Singapore, I think Stones is happy at Everton, sees his prospects of further development as being better here than elsewhere, and is mature enough to bide his time whilst getting more and more Premier League experience under his belt.

I think, irrespective of what Jose wants, or Bill wants, there will be no sale in this window because Stones doesn't want it.

I may be wrong bit, didn't he sack his agent last year because the agent was agitating for a move and Stones didn't want to go?

It seems to me that Stones is a man who is comfortable in charge of his own destiny and, for now, that destiny is with Everton.

John Malone
90 Posted 17/07/2015 at 18:24:31
I'd love him to stay and progress and become our captain but, if bids are already coming in, I'm sad to say it's only a matter of time before he's off.

Hold out for 㿊 million or broker a deal involving Kurt Zouma or Gary Cahill coming to us. I have a feeling Mourinho doesn't rate Cahill that highly!

John Crawley
91 Posted 17/07/2015 at 18:31:23
Steve (85), and your evidence for this is what exactly? We didn't sell Baines a couple of years ago why on earth should we sell Stones now?

This isn't like Lescott at all, he was a player at his peak. Stones is at the start of his career and is only going to get better and hence worth more money. It's a comparable situation to say Rooney except for one major difference, we had to sell him to keep the club afloat. We don't have to sell Stones because we've just got an extra 㿊 million in TV revenue. That puts us in a very strong bargaining position. Frankly you would have to be a moron to sell him now for the money being talked about, especially as it looks like Barnsley may get 15-20% of the fee.

In my opinion, in a couple of years it will be clubs like Barcelona/Real Madrid who will be in for this lad because he is going to be a top footballer and he is going to be worth a lot more than 㿊 million. Mourinho knows this which is why he is trying to get him now.

Phil Rodgers
92 Posted 17/07/2015 at 18:37:15
The potential for this kid is absolutely incredible and he seems a really nice kid. Sadly, if they are serious about him then they will get him. They can offer him more than we will ever be able to I'm sorry to say.
Graham Mockford
93 Posted 17/07/2015 at 18:36:54
Here is the difference with Stones and Barkley.

We should've cashed in on Ross at the end of last season when his media stock was sky high because I don't think he will ever be worth that much again.

Stones is going to get better; another good season, forcing his way into the England team and he's worth 㿞m. You have to back your judgement in these scenarios but I think him progressing to be the best centre half in the country is a certainty. 㿊m will seem very cheap in two years time.

Steve Foster
94 Posted 17/07/2015 at 18:27:04
In a very simple manner

Double it, then add another 㾶M, then we 'may' consider talking. Other then that, fuck off!

Stones is going to be one of the greatest CBs in the world. Longer we keep him, the more we will eventually get for him.

If Chelsea bought him for 㿀, 30, even 40 million, then you can be sure when they eventually cash in on him to Bayern, PSG, Real or Barça then they will make a tidy profit on that amount.

That's how good this kid is.

But right now, there seems to be a feeling of 'something special' around the Everton team at the moment, togetherness, a unity. The way Deulofeu returned, the way he spoke, have you seen his Twitter? He is loving being home. It seems to of rubbed off on the squad.

Personally, I think Stones himself will refuse the move. He is a level-headed young man.

Dave Southon
95 Posted 17/07/2015 at 18:52:48
Daily Mail reporting that Chelsea have offered Stones the number 6 shirt... Do you reckon we could ask Jags to change if that's deal breaker?

Seriously though, as a club we have strong relations with Chelsea and Man Utd and we all know we will sell and we will get over it and in time we will hail a new star.

Come on guys, we are Everton fans and we know the score.

Christopher Kelly
96 Posted 17/07/2015 at 19:01:22
Stonesy is the family jewels and we can't sell. He is the most important player we have. If we sell, then with him goes our future, our image as a club and a bunch of fans.
Andy Crooks
97 Posted 17/07/2015 at 19:02:27
Colin (#84), I don't think they'll be wheeling Dixon out. He's where Terry and Wise should've been.
Chris Gould
98 Posted 17/07/2015 at 18:55:27
Graham, who knew Barkley was going to have such a shite season? If we had cashed in on him after the 2013-14 season, we would've all gone mad!!

I haven't written him off yet. Nobody played particularly well last season, and he carried a huge weight of expectation. I think he needs to have less of a role and be allowed to build his confidence up. Less of the 'best young player in Europe' rubbish.

I think Stones will stay. He has his head screwed on and will want to play, not sit on the bench. Plus, you never know, he may actually love our club and have zero interest playing elsewhere.

David Chait
99 Posted 17/07/2015 at 19:08:42
You can add Lukaku to that list Colin #81... By they have a ridiculous ability to make a profit in players they never even play or give a run..
Terence Tipler
100 Posted 17/07/2015 at 19:07:28
Yes he signed a new contract last year, does anybody know if it has a buyout clause inserted?
John Daley
101 Posted 17/07/2015 at 19:09:26
"...a sale of Stones and a loan back for this season would be a great bit of business for the right price."

See, now that's the sort of move I can actually see materialising and the sort of rhetoric I can imagine the club peddling to make it seem like we came out of it all with a nice sherbet fizz rather than a big fat shit on a stick. What would be the point of loaning him back? Watching him progress as a player for a further year, all the while knowing it's for another clubs long term benefit and having to listen to Roberto eulogising about how it's a privilege for everyone at Everton to continue to work with such an extraordinary young character/future Flash Gordon style saviour of the universe for a few months more? It would just be rubbing salt in the wounds.

I would be gutted to see him go and, if he did, I wouldn't be able to console myself with the thought that we might be able to use the funds to improve the squad in areas where we're short. Firstly, I imagine a large proportion of the fee would basically amount to the outstanding Lukaku payments being written off, and then (due to our shortage of centre backs as is) Stones himself would definitely need replacing straight away. So what would be left after that, presuming the manager would even be given all of the funds raised in the first place?

Brent Stephens
102 Posted 17/07/2015 at 19:13:51
So if we sell, who do we buy as a replacement - not names plucked out of the air but players we know are available? At at what cost?
Patrick Murphy
103 Posted 17/07/2015 at 19:12:51
We don't need the money. Roberto clearly rates him so there is no reason to sell; we are not in the same situation that we have been in so many times before.

If, for some strange reason, the lad himself wants to go to Chelsea, it would be madness to sell him for less than 㿞m at the very least. An England centre-half for circa ٣m per year is more than good economics for the Stamford Bridge outfit but what would that do for Everton FC? A Johnny Evans type of player every couple of years who may or not play well.

The club and the manager seem to be serious about building a good team, the only way to do that is to keep your top young talent.

Chris Gould
104 Posted 17/07/2015 at 19:15:25
Seeing as we can't even find an adequate backup... How on earth would we find a backup for the backup?!!

We'd be crazy to sell him.

Paul Jeronovich
105 Posted 17/07/2015 at 19:21:06
Clubs must think we are skint as the fees our players are ’allegedly’ worth is an insult. 㿊mil for Shaw, 㿝mil for Sterling, 㿌mil for Mangala. Stones is twice the player and English which adds another 㾶mil on. <>P>I'm sick of clubs thinking they can get our players on the cheap. Good on EFC though, tell them to fuck off.
Colin Glassar
106 Posted 17/07/2015 at 19:28:58
Steve Cotton, ever heard the word gullible?
Ian McDowell
107 Posted 17/07/2015 at 19:26:21
How about an exchange? 㿅 million plus Remy, Moses or maybe Begovic?
Dave Pritchard
108 Posted 17/07/2015 at 19:28:01
Colin (84), I doubt they'll be wheeling Dixon out as he is in prison for assault.
Chris Gould
109 Posted 17/07/2015 at 19:38:27
Steve Cotton, there is a shitload of smoke without fire during this transfer window!! You can't see the truth for all the bloody smoke... without fire!
Steve Cotton
110 Posted 17/07/2015 at 19:35:33
No, Colin, what does it mean?
Steve Cotton
111 Posted 17/07/2015 at 19:44:15
Thanks, Chris, that's crystal clear ,cheers.
Steve Cotton
112 Posted 17/07/2015 at 19:45:21
I happen to think he will go because now they have bid they won't just give up, they have targeted him as a future world beater.

He has his feet on the ground and may want to stay and play for us but once the bidding has started the shitload of gullible smoke tends to drift up.

Raymond Fox
113 Posted 17/07/2015 at 18:55:57
Let's not put to much pressure on the lad as far as expectations go.

I agree that he looks a very safe bet to increase in value playing for Everton but look what happened to Ross last season!
He looks to have his head screwed on better than Barkley and I'm pretty sure he won't be going anywhere this season.

I also think that Ross will have a much better season, because the coaching staff will surely have been looking at ways that he can be used better, he's not lost that natural ability to score outstanding goals.

Although Martinez came in for a lot of criticism on here last season, our players seem loyal to him and the pros within the game rate him highly every time they're asked.

So no, we'd be barmy to sell Stones for less than 㿔m, but money has no value to the owners of Chelsea and Man City!

Martin Mason
114 Posted 17/07/2015 at 19:41:21
Two very sad things for an Evertonian, one is that we'd lose a lad who could become the best CB I've seen at the club which is a tragedy. A bigger tragedy is that it also defines the status of the club relative to the current big clubs. The extra 㿊 mil TV money doesn't protect us from having to sell as it puts us on an equal footing with all of the other clubs not at an advantage. Stone's potential has no limit and it could be realistically England skipper in a couple of years.

The risk for Chelsea is that he is young and he could yet be a Rodwell so, we lose massive potential and they take a risk, a risk which I see as miniscule given Stone's incredible game. Stones takes a big risk of course because Chelsea have a full hand of brilliant centre backs so initially at least he would not play all games.

The sad conclusion? We'll sell and we have to sell because we need the money to pay off debt and paying off debt is good for the club. My guess is that, everything into consideration, the price will be 㿊M and bye JS. Into a black hole? Unsubstantiated nonsense, I'm afraid

Brin Williams
115 Posted 17/07/2015 at 19:51:02
Roberto said it - that we have a great group of players and it seems that others agree with his assessment of the squad at Everton.

In fact there has been so much talk in the press recently about our squad and the offers that we are receiving or not.

It seems that our players are in demand - All has gone quiet on the Baines to United since they signed that fellow from S'ton and then we had links to this and that for Cool hand Luke - that has now died a death after he signed a new contract.

Then ManU were supposed to be signing Coleman - hasn't happened yet and all and sundry would like Stones. And that is only the defence, pity really that there is no apparent interested in our newly shorn keeper!.

Moving into midfield we have various clubs expressing an interest in Mirallas. It would be a pity to see him go but I sincerely hope he has his head pointing in the right direction this season.

McCarthy , what a gem, and I can see why his name is being bandied about but I think he is Roberto's mainstay and I'm a little surprised that he has not managed a better contract.

Barkley - what can you say about this enigma - is he worth £5m or £50m who knows? In fact I'm not sure he himself knows his worth - but time is running out for him to prove his worth.

I am sure that Naismith would command a decent price as would McGeady both have been linked to others recently but Roberto is keen to hang on, at least for the foreseeable future and until he has suitable replacements.

I have now reached the forward line and fuck me, what do we have here, a big brute by the name of Lukaku who on his day is unplayable and for the rest of the year is so frustrating that whatever his agent has to say, we would still struggle to recoup our £28m even on a good day.

So to summarise, Everton has a wealthy of talent - I have not mentioned the others that make up the squad only the ones that are being seen as targets - but with all the talent and whatever they are individually or collectively worth they are worth sod all unless the can deliver the goods. There is a new Season on the horizon that is going to give them a brilliant opportunity to prove once and for all what they are worth and whether they are worth retaining or getting rid.

Make the most of it boyos!!

Tom Bowers
116 Posted 17/07/2015 at 20:25:45
Everton's got talent of that there is no doubt and of course money clubs and agents will try all the tricks to sow the seeds to effect transfers. Sadly the clubs without money usually capitulate at some stage when the bid is high enough and/or the player has had his head turned especially if he is young. Everton are very vulnerable in this regard as we have witnessed in the past with the likes of Rooney and Rodwell.

Of course Stones is still maturing so it may be a risk for any club to pay a big fee and Rodwell is an example of failing to reach the next level when he went to City. We all hope that nothing happens as at this stage it would be a mini disaster for the Blues.

Joe Green
117 Posted 17/07/2015 at 20:21:50
The requirement to have a % "home-grown" is back-firing if it results in the best english talents being purchased by Chelsea and City and then to sit on their benches or otherwise rot in their reserves. The requirement just aids the money bags clubs to maintain their dominant position and weakens other clubs.

I'd like to see the PL bring in all sorts of methods to make the league fairer and national side stronger. Although seems counter-intuitive, dropping the home grown rule may be one.

Anyway interesting to see what happens here. We don't "need" the money unless we are serious about a new or redeveloped stadium.


Colin Glassar
118 Posted 17/07/2015 at 20:39:05
My apologies Steve Cotton, an unfortunate choice of word on my part. I just don't believe even 5% of the shit the press print.
Denver Daniels
119 Posted 17/07/2015 at 20:47:57
If a deal does happen I would prefer 3 players in lieu of cash. That’s if Roberto has anyone from their team in mind.

Even if Chelsea pay 㿞m, any other business we do will see the prices go up due to our "windfall". Also, with our board and Blue Bill at the helm, we’ll never see the lion’s share of that money go on transfers.

So if this was to happen, if I was Roberto I’d go for a "Stones out, 3 Chelsea players in" type deal.

Mike Oates
120 Posted 17/07/2015 at 21:04:20
He'll go for about 㿏m, he'll get 𧴜k a week vs 㿊k he's on now, he will learn from the best around in John Terry and then and watch the rest of our youngsters follow. So don't let him go until Midnight August 31st, so the likes of Lukaku, McCarthy, Barkley don't follow him out .
Neil Thomas
121 Posted 17/07/2015 at 21:41:41
㿏M, I would take it and spend it on what we really need. Look at our defensive record last season, nothing to be proud of was it?
Andy Meighan
122 Posted 17/07/2015 at 21:43:59
I've read nearly every post on here and what seems to keep cropping up is the togetherness of the squad. The best squad we've had for years etc.

Er... excuse me, but this so-called great squad dished up the biggest pile of shite last season that in 45 years of watching Everton regularly I've had the misfortune to witness.

That aside, we all know that when Chelsea come in with their new and improved bid kenwright and co will bite their fucking hands off. Never mind all this "Stones loves Everton, he won't get any game time" shite. The harsh reality is it'll be taken out of his hands and we all know it.

After all wasn't it our beloved chairman who came out with the classic, "I wouldn't sell rooney for 㿞 million" line? Now just remind me how much did he go for?
Tony Abrahams
123 Posted 17/07/2015 at 20:40:22
Exactly Joe. Everton were getting criticised two seasons ago because they had three loaned players in their squad. Yet Chelsea can have 83 players in their squad and loan out who they want to? Total double standards!

I think if Everton sell now, whilst the kid still has 4 years left on his contract, would be crazy. And this action would tell us that we are finished, with regards to a football club, that exists to win cups, anyway.

That is unless Stones comes out publicly and says he wants to leave. If this happens we have got to be looking at, AT LEAST £35 MILLION.

Ian Bennett
124 Posted 17/07/2015 at 21:53:43
If he goes it will be after the Euros. He needs to play every week, not sit in the stand.

Hope he stays. If he does go, I'd want Zouma or Loftus-Cheek as makeweights and big cash.

Oliver Molloy
125 Posted 17/07/2015 at 22:11:01
Make your mind up Colin... last night you were predicting Evans was practically a done deal because it was all over the place, or words to that effect, and now you don't believe 5% of paper talk!

As for Stones, McCarthy, Coleman, Lukaku , Baines , Barkley, Garbutt , Mirallas and there will be more.. I think this Is fantastic news! Our manager has always said it is a compliment when so many of our players are being talked about and linked with moves away. I for one would rather we have clubs interested in our players than not.

There seems to be a new attitude, an air of confidence from both players and manager going into this new campaign, like they have something to prove and I firmly believe that no player will leave us this window unless the manager wants it like that.

Of course it is a fact if we are offered complete silly money for any player that could well change things, and Martinez will be told to toe the line. The only player that I think could push for a move is Mirallas... Interesting to hear Martinez speaking of McCarthy rumours today and who may be behind them.

Colin Malone
126 Posted 17/07/2015 at 22:14:24
Stones, Macca, Coleman, Barkley = Good deposit on a new stadium.

[Just thinking out loud.]

Christopher Wallace
127 Posted 17/07/2015 at 22:45:26
Probably = relegation, Colin
John Raftery
128 Posted 17/07/2015 at 22:32:23
In this window, from the club's point of view ,we do not need to sell Stones or anyone on a long-term contract. His value will only increase in the seasons ahead. So if we are talking about silly money, let the bidding commence at 㿨m. That to me seems a reasonable price for a homegrown player in his early twenties who will become a world class centre half and a future captain of his club and country. Oh and he can also take a penalty.

From the player's own point of view, he is still learning his trade. He has a better opportunity to do that as a regular at our club than at the likes of Chelsea where he will find himself being rotated, playing in the League Cup, dead rubber European matches and waiting for Terry or Cahill to become crocked. Chelsea's derisory and insulting bid of 㿀m bid indicates that he will not walk into their team.

The list of young English players whose development has been stifled after moving to one of the top four is endless. I guess John Stones is sufficiently grounded to recognise this and that he will be more than happy to fulfil his potential and in the process become an Everton and England legend.

Steve Cotton
129 Posted 17/07/2015 at 23:05:39
Colin Glaasar, no worries mate, we are all a bit frustrated, we don't want to lose our best players and the press are stirring bastards.

I would accept a season back in the top 6 beating the RS at least once and getting to the final of a cup. Progress...

Chris Wilson
130 Posted 17/07/2015 at 23:05:15
Some quotes from the Daily Mail...

"Chelsea are confident that they will be able to secure John Stones by the start of the season despite Everton's rejection of an opening 㿀m bid with a new bid expected in the coming days – but they may have to break the British record for a defender to get their man."

"Although Stones has professed he is happy at Everton, there is a feeling that he would relish a move to Chelsea to work with Mourinho.."

"There is a sense of bemusement at Chelsea at the apparent angst expressed by Everton, who have suggested that the timing of the bid has been unhelpful, given that it is mid-way through the transfer window with a full three weeks before the season starts."

"Everton have indicated that they are not interested in doing business but if Stones were to ask for a move their position is likely to change and they would look to secure the best possible value they could for the player."

I'm sorry, but this isn't an article by "Rob Draper" of the Daily Mail. This is most obvious attempt to circumvent Roberto Martinez that I've seen since Mark Hughes pulled this crap on us with Lescott. This makes me think that we aren't listening to them anymore, so they're leaking this for Stones to see; "Hey John, put in a transfer request and you can be a Chelsea player. Come on, we know you relish it"

Oh and Chelsea is bemused by our complaining of the timing of all of this? Fucking shameless propaganda!

Colin Glassar
131 Posted 17/07/2015 at 23:33:53
Martin Samuel, Chris. He's the chief "sports" editor for the Daily Mail. Massive WHU fan but also determined that his London clubs stay on top of the pile.

Like I've said previously, watch all the London based journos swarm over this like an army of ants. They won't rest until they get their man.
Christopher Wallace
132 Posted 17/07/2015 at 23:54:50
Set the price at say 㿞m, and add on another ٣m for every derisory, disgraceful or disrespectful move by the interested club.

㿣m it is for Chelsea and likely to reach 𧴜m by the time the season kicks off.

In all seriousness, they are a bunch of arrogant twats and they can fuck right off.

I'd rather sell him to Barca for 㿔m than Chelsea for 㿞m. And the lad could well get a move to Barca on a year or two -- quick, TALL, ball-playing CB who is quick to learn and adapt. Chelsea are just horrible and I'm sure Stonesy knows this as much as the rest of us, if not more having seen them up close and personal.

Christopher Wallace
133 Posted 18/07/2015 at 00:06:11
Chris Wilson

Just read the full article... That Draper fella comes across as a right tit. Twitter abuse anyone? Lol

Barry Jones
134 Posted 18/07/2015 at 00:08:24
Best young CB I have seen in many years, but as Jim #12 says, there is an air of inevitability about it. Chelsea will keep sniffing. It may all boil down to how well we perform this season.
Phil Sammon
135 Posted 18/07/2015 at 00:15:34
Steve Cotton

That might be the funniest comment I've ever read on here. Proper belly laugh.

Steve Cotton
136 Posted 18/07/2015 at 01:04:13
Phil, glad to be of assistance. I am here all week... possibly unlike Stones...
Bobby Thomas
137 Posted 18/07/2015 at 01:24:10
Stones is going to be too good for us.

If they want him, they will get him. Does anyone think Stones won't want to play for Mourinho?

Some lads are on a different level and he probably is. The best players generally end up playing for the best clubs. It's the way it is.

We need to make sure we get 㿔 million or as close to it as possible.

Sean McCarthy
138 Posted 18/07/2015 at 01:28:36
We all know how this will pan out but we cling to the hope that this time, just for a change, we're wrong and the "leaders" of our club stick to their guns but.....

Chelsea or Man City will come back with something around 㿊-35m and the club will accept it. Stones will feel like the club want him to leave and off he will go through no fault of his own, triple his wages overnight, and we can just imagine what might have been.

In the meantime, Roberto changes his tune and announces that, on second thoughts, he is interested in Jonny Evans and he signs for ٤m.

Money talks. And louder than ever.

Spragg Johnson
139 Posted 18/07/2015 at 01:55:16
Mourinho thinks we’re stupid... But we did pay 㿈 mill for Rom and took Atsu on loan – so who can blame him?!
Colin Williams
141 Posted 18/07/2015 at 02:34:04
Robbie....never let this top player leave our great club. This guy goes and all our top talented players (especially the young players) will question your ambition.

Stonsey has created a confidence culture within this squad.... His rapid development has given belief within the squad that together they can achieve something special!!.... And only special players can create this belief!! This lad with his love for this great club and belief that something special could be happening!! (I hope so anyway!)

Jim Hardin
142 Posted 18/07/2015 at 02:39:17
John Daly,

Thanks for quoting me but please tell me how Everton can keep Stones beyond the next two seasons? When has Everton as a Club (Sorry editors) ever paid someone the weekly wages the kid will get at Chelsea? How much is Sterling making per week? Simply, if you are telling me that Everton are going to start paying weekly wages to 11 players of 㿼k to 𧶲k, then okay, we will keep Stones and every player we develop.

You and I both know that is not true. I was suggesting to keep him another year on loan to help this team progress which would allow the younger kids to get blooded. Bringing in Cameron would give us an international and EPL level starter for what is by all accounts a good club, not a Wigan (sorry again editors for the reference to Wigan).

Please name one truly highly valued excellent player we have kept thus far for a lengthy period of his career besides Tim Howard (sorry couldn't resist for the Howard haters).

Simple fact is: Everton are a selling club and always will be. Wouldn't it be better to acknowledge this fact and use it to the club's advantage instead of getting taken by "surprise" that a player might want to leave?

Hugh Jenkins
143 Posted 18/07/2015 at 02:45:30
Bobby Thomas (137). I cannot believe that an Evertonian (I am assuming you are an Evertonian?) could ever say any player is, or will be "too good for us". It is true we have hit a trough in our history but we are, I believe, still the fourth most successful club in England. I am too long in the tooth now to believe in the achievements of "Roy of the Rovers", so I do not realistically expect us to win the Premier League this season. I do believe though that RM has sold an idea to his squad of players and they are 100% behind him and it.

To achieve the goal of that idea, it needs him and them to mould together a squad of youth and experience and to play together over a development period that culminates in a team that is greater than the sum of its parts.

I think all the young players who have signed 5-year contracts recently have bought into this and know that to achieve it they had to commit their future to Everton FC until the plan reaches fruition. That is why I don't think we will see any of the current crop of players, with the possible exception of Mirallas, asking for a transfer.

This season, I think we will see a very different season for Everton to that which we experienced last time round. I honestly believe we will be knocking very hard on the door of the top four and, within two years, will break into that group, and stay there.

It is where we belong, historically and traditionally and to achieve it we need players of the very best calibre in our squad.

So please, do not ever say any player is "too good for us". They are not. NSNO.

John Daley
144 Posted 18/07/2015 at 03:56:31
"Please name one truly highly valued excellent player we have kept thus far for a lengthy period of his career besides Tim Howard"

When you say 'thus far' do you mean 'ever', as in thus far in the club's history, or are you just referring to in recent years?

If the latter: Leighton Baines.

Tahir Abdullah
145 Posted 18/07/2015 at 04:18:58
He probably won't be allowed to leave this season (not with the current lack of depth in the CB position) but Mourinho has indicated that he is prepared to make Stones the most expensive English defender, ever. The Manchester clubs are apparently on alert as well and the eventual offer might be too good to refuse...
Dennis Ng
146 Posted 18/07/2015 at 04:24:49
㿏m? Did we not learn our lesson from 10 years ago? Besides, it's not like we'll get ready made replacements easy with that money. Unless Stones asked to go, we should not bother until that insane offer comes.
Harold Matthews
147 Posted 18/07/2015 at 04:14:13
He's not a Mourinho type CB. Not yet anyway. He's nowhere near hard enough and that's something you can't coach. If he went to Chelsea he would be loaned out while they sat back and watched his value increase. Lukaku and Courtois spring to mind.
Paul Ward
149 Posted 18/07/2015 at 05:37:11
As suggested by some, if Chelsea really want Stones they will get him. The scenario could be as (Colin Glassar 13) stated a huge bid on the last day of the window. Apart from destroying the team Kenwright could say his party piece "It was too late to buy anyone with the proceeds."
Alex Higgins
150 Posted 18/07/2015 at 06:15:55
Just listened to TalkSport, the wankers say it's only a matter of time before Stones goes to a "BIG CLUB". We apparently need the money. In their eyes, we are a nice family club without a big backer. Says it all...
Mark Tanton
151 Posted 18/07/2015 at 06:35:25
This is our business model unfortunately, and it works. Unearth a great player, pay peanuts of him and sell him for a massive fee.
Laurie Hartley
152 Posted 18/07/2015 at 05:30:29
Hugh @ 143 - that is a great post. I hope you are right about the players and the manager. Your theory about the younger players buying into the manager's plan for the future conjures up in my mind a vision of Andy Crook's "Corinthian" Everton.

As an Evertonian of 50+ years, I have seen some of our greatest players. In John Stones I see a young man who is a leader of men and the future Captain of England. Harold is right - he is not hard enough yet but it won't be too long in coming. Give him another year and he will be.

l for one have put last season behind me. If I am going to look back, it will be to the Emirates the season before last when we played Arsenal off the park and a young wipper snapper had the effrontery to score a late and well deserved equaliser.

If we want to see more performances like that this season, we must keep hold of John Stones. If we sell him, it will knock the stuffing out of those young lads.

Strange as it may seem, even though I am getting a bit long in the tooth, I still don't subscribe to the theory that money can buy you anything and that everyone has a price.

Sam Hoare
153 Posted 18/07/2015 at 07:24:51
If only they were going to pay £35m plus for Barkley! I'm still not convinced Ross will make it to the higher levels but I am with Stones. His value will rise and rise and we should keep him for one more season at the very least.

No top, top player is likely to stay indefinitely at a club that is not in Europe or winning trophies but for the moment we have the cards as he is on a long term contract.

Neil Thomas
155 Posted 18/07/2015 at 09:49:15
I am fed up hearing all this talk of our players going to bigger clubs. Have you all forgotten that were in the Asian Trophy final today? How much bigger than that can you get?
Dave Abrahams
156 Posted 18/07/2015 at 09:57:37
Hugh (143),

I'm afraid you are living in the past. Bobby Thomas, like yourself is a good Evertonian, but is a realistic one.

We were one of the top clubs and always will be the best and top club for me, but for anyone in the rest of the country we are just an also-ran club.

That's the way it is unfortunately, and will be for the foreseeable future; if the likes of John Stones wants to leave Everton and another club are determined to sign him, then he will move. I don't like any more than the next Evertonian, but that's the way things are.

I'm still hoping, like you and most Evertonians, that Stones stays for at least another year, but you can't blame him if he moves... financially it makes sense for his whole future.

Harold Matthews
157 Posted 18/07/2015 at 07:55:28
Ross Barkley will never function properly while his mind is clogged with mountains of complicated instructions. I believe Deulofeu is the same. Let these two brilliant natural talents off the leash and watch them go.

By the way, I hope people realise that Delboy has had very little competitive football this year and is suffering more than most in the struggle to get fit for the start of the season. He actually looked quite ill after he struck his penalty home versus Stoke.

Eddie Dunn
159 Posted 18/07/2015 at 10:20:30
We managed to hold on to Baines, and McCarthy is still with us, despite the media speculation, so let's hope that Stones stays put. It would be a body-blow if we sold him.

We should avoid selling at any price, and they won't pay over 㿊M for a guy who will probably be back-up for Terry & Cahill.

Eric Myles
162 Posted 18/07/2015 at 10:39:43
If we're to cash in on Stones, it shouldn't be to Chelsea as it would just cancel out the Lukaku balance so they get him for nothing and we have no cash to spend on improving the squad.
Paul Jeronovich
163 Posted 18/07/2015 at 10:40:31
He's got four years left on his contract, if he goes it has to be for a record breaking fee. We do not have to sell and are not that hard up any more where we sell an asset for a fee which is below his valuation at these current inflated prices. His fee will only rise over the next two years. We hold all the aces, tell Chelsea simply to go and fuck off.
Sam Hoare
164 Posted 18/07/2015 at 10:50:24
How about Zouma and £25m? My biggest worry would be replacing Stones and the fact that we'd only have Jagielka as a senior CB. Zouma looks to be another very promising young CB and would feel a lot better about things if he were included in the deal. Highly unlikely though.

We now face an anxious wait to see if Chelsea will offer the magic figure that BK has in mind somewhere and if they do then when. I'm pretty sure it will take well over £30m but the sad truth in modern football is that every player has a price despite the soundbites.

Jim Jennings
165 Posted 18/07/2015 at 10:51:15
Harold,

What are these "mountains of complicated instructions" Ross is apparently getting that are stunting his footballing growth? Is he being told to hold onto the ball too long, run up bling alleys, blast shots against opponents' shins and shirk 50-50 tackles?

James Ridley
166 Posted 18/07/2015 at 10:52:00
I don't think we will lose anyone this year other than possibly Mirallas. These transfer windows are getting really painful; I'm 37 now and they are ageing me rapidly!!!

Could be worse I guess... just look at Villa!!!!

Chris Gould
167 Posted 18/07/2015 at 10:40:13
John Stones is not going anywhere. There is zero chance he will be sold in this window. Maybe he will go one day, but not now. He is right now out of the country with all of his teammates. All of them will be in his ear. He won't push for a move.

This is not a Rooney scenario. We do not have to balance the books. In a couple of seasons time he'll be an England regular and worth double what he is now.

He comes across as a decent level-headed lad. He wants to cement his place in our first team and become an England regular. He'll know that won't happen at Chelsea.

Selling him and getting him back on loan makes no sense at all. You only do that if you're desperate for cash now. Why do it when he is on a long contract and we'll be worth a lot more with another season under his belt? (Barring injury)

Dave Williams
168 Posted 18/07/2015 at 10:59:55
As a fan of more than 50 years I want to keep him but with my accountants hat on 㿏M would be a great down-payment on a new or redeveloped stadium which we MUST get if we are ever to rival the top 6 (which is what it will become once Spurs get their new stadium and the RS finish their redevelopment).

It looks like the board are going to repay some more debt this pre-season rather than give all of the Sky money to Roberto and again this has to happen for us to progress long-term provided that we don't suffer on the pitch.

Unlike some above, I think Browning may be ready. Yes, he makes errors... but so does Stones. Stones is a smashing player and potentially great but I don't see his departure as one we can't cope with. I heard from a decent source a few weeks ago that he would be the one to be sold with Shawcross to replace him. Not as pretty to watch but, if this happened, I don't think our defence would be weaker -- if anything, I think it would be a tougher unit.

In our position, I don't think we can afford to keep him provided we get silly money offered. 㿀M is derisory but 㿏M or more and deal done -- he could get a bad injury or tail off like Ross/Jack and we can't afford that. If Man Utd and Man City enter into a bidding war, we could do very well out of this.

But as a fan I don't want him to go!!!!

Paul Tran
169 Posted 18/07/2015 at 10:56:17
The 㿀m was a classic first offer. Watch it rise to 㿅m, 㿊m and possibly higher.

Tough one for Stones. He'll learn what he needs to learn from Mourinho and Terry on more money. He'll also be asking himself how many games he'll get for the next 18 months and whether Chelsea will buy him, loan him and spit him out.

I agree with Harold; right now he's not tough enough for Chelsea. They may feel they can toughen him and get him cheaper now.

If he wants to go there, he'll go. 㿏M at least and keep it separate from the Lukaku deal.

Callum McNab
170 Posted 18/07/2015 at 10:49:55
If they let Stones go, then it's RIP for our club, I'm afraid. If we let him go, then who replaces him? We know the money won't be used on buying any quality, and if it is, you are looking at the same amount as the figures being spouted for Stones.

But we all know that it's more than likely him going, and either a loan player or a free will replace him, closely followed by McCarthy, Mirallas, Lukaku and most probably Coleman.

I said at the end of last season, I fear for this year. The fact that Kenwright just sat back and did fuck all when that shite was getting put out week-in & week-out. The excuses of another stadium dream collapsing, the lack of transfer activity. Billy Boy knows that sadly the support will always be there at our club, no matter what crap he serves up. You only have to look at some of the comments on here.

Ask yourself why is the shite across the park not only building the squad with quality but also their stadium. Because no matter how much you loath them they wouldn't put up with half the Shite we do.

We need to keep Stones at any cost, and the youth behind him, as they are the future for the club. When this wedge of money from Sky finally goes, we will be unable to buy anything of quality, look at us now? There has never been so much money and we are still getting loans or frees as our major signings.

Keep the likes of Stones who's cost us buttons and let's build around them. But, as I said earlier, with this board, optimism no longer exists.

Colin Glassar
171 Posted 18/07/2015 at 11:15:36
From The Sun (㾼M plus ٢M in add-ons) to The Independent (㿏M max) the rags, and their hacks, are scrambling to make this come true.

I don't think Chelsea will go higher than 㿊M (and that will be in drips and drabs) so we need to tell them to sod off and come back in a few years with 㿨-70M in cash.

Steve Cotton
172 Posted 18/07/2015 at 11:11:18
Obviously when we secured Stones on his new 5-year deal a year ago we put a huge buy-out valuation figure in..... Didn't we?????

Then again the people who run EFC probably forgot.

Jamie Barlow
173 Posted 18/07/2015 at 12:22:18
The problem with putting a buy-out clause in his contract, is you're more or less saying he's for sale. If the club haven't put one in, I'm glad.

I'd be well surprised if he goes this summer. He looks happy enough where he is.

Dave Pritchard
174 Posted 18/07/2015 at 12:34:43
A buy-out clause at least gives you some security though. Benteke's £32.5m is a good example but strange that the same club only had an £8m one for Delph. Maybe the only way they could get him to sign a 4-year deal. Much good it did them in the end.
Bobby Thomas
175 Posted 18/07/2015 at 12:07:24
Hugh #143

You seem to think but not know a great many things in your post which, despite your apparent advancing years is almost child like in its naivety.

Stones is clearly cut out for well over 50 England caps & has all the potential qualities to be the mainstay in a team that plays Champions League football season in season out.

He's a kid who has arrived at Everton and established himself very swiftly. Perhaps most importantly as your talent is nothing without this, mentally he seems spot on. We are talking about a genuine top class prospect here. Genuine International and European class.

Can you tell me what that has to do with Everton FC in its current incarnation?

The only thing that has surprised me is the slowness of the bid. I mentally waved goodbye to him months ago, aware that if he stayed this would be his last season anyway.

This is the way its been since Keown was sold for the banks around '92 and is all part of the slow motion decline of Everton. It makes me angry. It makes me sad. These days though, when I go to Goodison and I look around, I just feel sad.

Stones however is one player and it all depends on who you get in. I will be honest I don't trust this fella with the dollar. He has shown little ability to do Moyes-esque deals of a Pienaar/Arteta/Stones nature. We are unable to do any real squad re-building due to the preposterous Lukaku deal. The other player to add value was McCarthy who cost 㾹M. The rest are largely duds.

As for your high hopes for this season Hugh... well you will be unsurprised to learn I don't share them. This is a squad in transition and I believe the fall out from the Moyes era began last season. The first season was the last hurrah for them. We have neither the depth or quality, especially in mid and up top to sustain a top 4 push.

The players also looked like they just weren't having Martinez for large parts of last season. We were frankly an ineffective soft touch with no threat. The squad remains largely the same. Its unbalanced and ageing in key areas, especially midfield.

I will cut him some slack as he had not managed in the league with Europe thrown in but I am personally unconvinced by him. A poor start will see a long season and I am fearful we may end up in a bit of bother.

Mike Powell
177 Posted 18/07/2015 at 12:59:54
Stones will stay at Everton, he as said so himself. So fuck off, Chelsea.

And another thing: I'm glad we are not getting Evans. I work with a few Man Utd fans they said he is the worst player ever to play for them. Why don't we concentrate on players who are coming in or hopefully coming in?

Colin Glassar
178 Posted 18/07/2015 at 13:14:33
I've decided to completely ignore any Stones related transfer stories from now on. They are not good for my mental health.
Hugh Jenkins
179 Posted 18/07/2015 at 13:04:16
Bobby (175) Did I mention Everton "in its current incarnation"? I think, if you read my post fully, you will find that I am, in my "child like naivety" predicting what amounts to a "second coming" for the club, over the next few seasons.

I truly fail to see why Stones, whom, as you say " is clearly cut out for well over 50 England caps & has all the potential qualities to be the mainstay in a team that plays Champions League football season in season out", will be such a misfit at Everton?

I'm pretty certain that if we look back over the history of the club, we will find a number of players who have been regular internationals for their country (including England) and who have played with the club at the highest levels that were attainable for club football at those times.

Naive or not, that is the expectation of most followers of the GOT.

I do not recall your earlier comments making any mention of RM or of his capabilities.

Whatever Roberto's strengths or shortcoming may be, they have no bearing, in my opinion, on whether or not John Stones is "too good" for Everton.

I agree that we are a team in transition - that was one of the main points of my post.

The difference between us seems to be that I think we are about to move forward and you think we are about to move backwards.

Finally, I think you are confusing the definitions of "hope" and "belief".

You may not believe what I hope will happen, but, as an Evertonian you should certainly be hoping for what I believe.

Frank Crewe
180 Posted 18/07/2015 at 13:02:46
This isn't about Stones. It's about the future of football. Did selling Bale do Spurs any good? Has selling Suarez or Sterling done Liverpool any good? All that happens is a top player gets replaced by a bunch of so-so players and the club makes no progress at all.

It seems to me that football has turned into a pyramid. The rich clubs are at the top winning all the trophies and raking in the cash. Their fans basking in the reflected glory of constantly defeating weakened opposition. Everyone else is just plodding along without any real hope of achieving anything and just happy to stay in the league. There has to be more than this.

Villa have just lost Delph, they'll probably lose Benteke as well for a combined fee of just over 㿔M. What good is that money to them? Will it cover the cost of replacements? Will selling those players encourage other top players to sign for them? It will just get frittered away on a two or three average players and a year from now they'll be no further forward than they are now.

If Premier League clubs like Everton, Villa, Spurs, Southampton, and Liverpool continually allow there best players to gravitate to the rich clubs then they have no real future other than to make up the PL also-rans.

I think we have to make a stand here. If Stones goes, it signals that we will let anyone go if they wave a big enough cheque in our noses.

Paul Chaloner
181 Posted 18/07/2015 at 16:11:37
I hate to compare us to the lot across the park but they always seem to get stupid money for their players while we seem to get rid on the cheap. just for once let us stand firm and get what I'd deserved or better still keep our players till we want to get rid!
Dave Ganley
182 Posted 18/07/2015 at 16:33:05
Frank #180, spot on mate. However, views like those are meaningless to the clubs and players, they just look at the money and grab it. I totally agree that football is in danger of becoming pointless save for the same 4 clubs at the top who have the most cash and win everything. Man Utd have just shelled out another wad for players on top of the vast sums paid out last season. How on earth are the rest outside the top 4 ever going to compete with that?

It's heartbreaking, as a football fan, to see what's going on with the knowledge that, save for an occasional cup run, the rest are never going to be able to bridge that gap in the foreseeable future. Even the RS, with all their commercial activities and even when all their corporate boxes are ready, will never be able to compete with the top 4 financially.

As much as it pains me to say it, in the interests of competition, the sooner the elite fuck off into a European super league the better. See how they like having to travel all over Europe every week and having no local rivalries. Maybe after a few years they will realise that they need local rivalries and there is never any atmosphere at grounds due to lack of away support, but I guess that's just fanciful thinking.

The CL has become so lucrative that the moneyed clubs make damn sure nobody else breaks through by buying up all the talent. An occasional club breaks through but never progresses much past the group stage. The rich clubs will just look at the bank balance and say fuck to the fans. Quite depressing the way football is being taken away from the fans really

Harold Matthews
183 Posted 18/07/2015 at 19:07:03
Mike. Are these the same clever clogs Man Utd fans who said Forlan was the worst player ever to wear the shirt?

Harold Matthews
184 Posted 18/07/2015 at 19:29:46
Jim J. I watched Barkley as a kid. Free as a bird, buzzed around defenders and caused mayhem.

Several times during the last year or so I've watched Mr Jones shove half a dozen sheets of paper in the lad's face before he entered the field of play. Once or twice I half expected Ross to pull out a notebook to check on his next move. The whole thing confuses him and definitely slows down his performance.

The goal was the lad being himself.

Neil Thomas
185 Posted 18/07/2015 at 20:10:34
Harold M,

I could not agree more, even with Rooney. When he started with EFC as a lad, his first Premier League games were a breathe of fresh air to watch, and I still think his best England game was his debut. The little flicks and back heels were just great to watch.

I do think the problem with the English game is that managers take that freedom away, they keep pumping into players that they have to play for the team and keep working back, but if you got a player with that kind of quality, just let them go out and play their game.

I can't imagine any manager telling a player of Maradona's quality to work back or play a certain way, you just let them play their own way and you bring in players to do their dirty work for them. That's why the English game as gone downhill and why players of Messi quality will never be interested in playing in the Premier League.

Colin Glassar
186 Posted 18/07/2015 at 20:23:11
Great post Dave and Frank. Something has to change otherwise we will soon become like the Spanish, French, Portuguese, Italian leagues etc....dominated by a few clubs to the detriment of their domestic game.

Maybe the other 16 teams could carry out a secret, unofficial boycott of the two Manc teams and Chelsea (Arsenal? I'm not sure they should be included). Surely they could agree to an agreement that no one will sell any of their players to the above mentioned teams, especially their home grown players. Let them develop their own talent and not be some type of giant dredger scooping up everything in sight.

John Daley
187 Posted 18/07/2015 at 20:35:51
Good point about the instruction overload, Harold,

Do you not also think that some of the open criticism of the 'overly' adventurous side of his game ('giving the ball away in dangerous positions', 'putting team mates under pressure' etc) by the England manager and others; along with the audible groans that reverberate around Goodison whenever he tries something that fails to pay off, has played a part in curtailing Ross's natural game?

He's a risk taker and there's nothing inherently wrong with that, in my view. It's that element of surprise and willingness to take a chance that helped him stand out as a player in the first place. Now, as soon as he receives the ball, he seems to hesitate as though stuck in two minds. Towards the end of last season he seemed almost reluctant to try and do anything beyond playing the most basic, safe and simple ball. Almost as if he were trying to hide out in plain view on the pitch.

Whatever it is, we need him to come out of the shell that's seemingly weighing him down.

Hugh Jenkins
188 Posted 19/07/2015 at 03:24:09
Colin (186), the same thought occurred to me. Unfortunately, I think such a scheme would soon collapse for two reasons. Firstly, the self interest of individual clubs in the block of 16 would mean that ranks would be broken sooner rather than later and secondly, like FFP, immediately it starts to affect the "Big Four" the requirement for a quota of "home grown" players will probably melt away overnight.
Phil Rodgers
190 Posted 19/07/2015 at 09:45:32
I would be delighted if top four fucked off and joined some evil Sky-sponsored European super league then we start again with salary caps.

Pipe dream but I am truly sick of the Premier League. I find the Championship much more interesting.

Colin Glassar
191 Posted 19/07/2015 at 10:05:03
It will never happen (a European super league of say, 16 teams) Phil because they know that it would quickly become a bore fest and would die a death.

Even the CL, in its present format, is boring as hell in the early stages and, I've heard, tv audiences have started to slip in Europe at least. For years the richer clubs threatened a breakaway league but it never happened so the compromise was the present CL format. I think that's why Sky are privately chuffed that BT won the bid and they saved themselves a few bob.

Bobby Thomas
192 Posted 19/07/2015 at 10:36:37
Hugh #179

I did read your first post in full. It was largely fantasy.

You didnt mention Everton in its current incarnation. I did. For context. As the club as it is has little to no chance of retaining players of the calibre of Stones long term.

This has been case for a long, long time now and elite players, Stones could become one of those, certainly do not join us in their prime. If they are on the way to being these players, having jojned us as a stepping stone or come through the ranks, then their stay is generally brief before joining clubs who play at the sharp end of the game (Champions League) and where they can fufill their footballing ambitions.

This has been the case for almost 30 years. The club is in decline. The club, as I say, in its current incarnation, has very little chance of progressing and is the equivalent of a wooden tennis racket in the modern world of tennis. There is no chance of progress with this board. Our ground, for example, represents the scale of our their ambition and symbolises the decline of the football club.

You seem to think we will be retaining players of like Stones and will soon be breaking the top 4. Fantasy. Blinkered, blue specs fantasy. Delusional.

We have neither the budget and therefore squad depth or quality to get close to the top 4. The clubs horizons will be shrinking in the next few years as other boards continue to drive their clubs forward and develop them. We stand still being overtaken and our status ever diminishing. This boards do nothing policy places a glass ceiling on any smbition or expectation other than scrapping away to rise slightly above mid-table.

Finally I mentioned Martinez as you posted the baseless: "I do believe though that RM has sold an idea to his squad of players and they are 100% behind him and it."

Did you watch us last season?

Laurie Hartley
193 Posted 19/07/2015 at 09:46:32
Franks @ 180

"Everyone else is just plodding along without any real hope of achieving anything and just happy to stay in the league. There has to be more than this."

I certainly hope so. If The Board do want to keep John Stones, then that young man has a huge decision to make in the coming weeks.

His future is bright regardless but Is he the leader I believe he is? We could be about to find out.

One thing is for sure, if Hugh's belief that the restoration of the club's fortunes is about to take place it will have to start on the pitch not in the boardroom.

Oliver Molloy
194 Posted 19/07/2015 at 22:44:47
Bobby @ 175.

Stones was heading to Wigan and Martinez until a very late intervention from Moyes, I think you will find.

Jim Hardin
195 Posted 20/07/2015 at 00:00:41
John Daly,

My apologies. I meant a young promising talent still developing as a player. However, using Baines as your example still makes my point. We retained a player who was valued highly by us but not so much by the rest of the league or world who was in the last four to five years of his career. He was wanted by one club only, headed at that time by the manager who brought him to Everton. Luke Shaw was the left back everyone wanted, not Baines.

Let us not forget that a sizable number of posters last season and even now want Baines dropped for Garbutt (who is still a work in progress) or moved to a different position altogether. This is exactly why he should have been sold.

I suggested Stones being loaned back as a way to keep him to help Everton for at least a year longer while helping his career too. I am concerned about him going to Chelsea because they already had a center back who was good with his feet, played the ball out, lost it too often and didn't defend corners and crosses well enough and they ran Luiz out of the squad, albeit for a profit.



Gavin Johnson
197 Posted 20/07/2015 at 01:21:27
Jim Hardin - I think Baines is a far better example of talent we've managed to hold onto than Tim Howard, who you coincidently mention in about 99% of your posts. Geoff Cameron's can't be far behind him.

We signed Howard when he was 28 - so hardly a developing talent! We bought Baines back from Wigan. He was an Everton youth player before he was released and bought back in his early 20's.. the same as Jags from Sheffield United. Both of whom have had suitors - Arsenal were sniffing around Jags a few seasons back, but, like Baines, he remained a loyal Everton stalwart.

Gavin Johnson
198 Posted 20/07/2015 at 01:54:08
Sorry Jim, my mistake, we signed Howard when he was 26.
Jim Hardin
200 Posted 20/07/2015 at 13:25:34
Gavin,

Suitors and sniffing around versus serious offers are two different animals. Don't worry about it though, go ahead and stretch your examples to fit whatever point you seem to be trying to make. As for Baines and Jags, if you cut players and then buy them back, how is that actually retaining and developing them from the get go? Hmmmm. . . . never mind I doubt the answer will make sense.

Trying to stay on the article topic of a rejected offer for a center back, I suggeted an affordable option when the inevitable occurs. Sorry if identifying talent that we can afford that is of starting EPL and international levels seems to offend you regarding Cameron, who is versatile, which for a club with a limited budget, might seem to be a factor. I didn't suggest any 20-22 year olds because don't we already have two promising youngsters already? I guess I should compile a list of players we have no shot at getting if we cannot afford a 9-12 million pound offer for a centerback from another league. There are several decent defenders in the Bundesliga at mid table clubs but not ones we could afford. I would prefer Shawcross but he too would be on the list of people we cannot afford.

You will also see I post in defense of Mirallas a lot as he, along with Howard and Lukaku and Barry, seem to get the bulk of the criticism of why Everton haven't won the league.

Gavin Johnson
201 Posted 20/07/2015 at 15:16:00
Jim - you inferred we signed a young GK who we developed in the shape of Tim Howard and while you correctly stated he's stayed for the long haul, he was already 26, so hardly a young player in his early 20s.

Unlike Baines and Jags who had to develop before they were in the first team. Jags was originally courted to play centre midfield and Baines and to wait around 18th months before he dislodged Lescott as the favoured LB.

Surely you would agree that these are better examples than Tim Howard? Who's stayed because no other club would be stupid enough to want him.

Mike Keating
202 Posted 20/07/2015 at 23:08:47
Daily Express now hiked the bid up to £34m
Just need City to add another £6m and we could be getting somewhere...

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