Stones saga: Martinez proves when a club say a player is not for sale, they can really mean it

28/08/2015  18 Comments  [Jump to last]
Chris Bascombe writes that the Everton manager has offered a timely reminder to all clubs with players on long contracts that when they insist an asset is not for sale, it can be genuine

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Keith Monaghan
1 Posted 28/08/2015 at 22:57:54
Proud of our club - about time somebody stood up to the media-inspired frenzy that goes on leading up to & in transfer windows. And a massive well done Roberto & Bill.

What say you now Alan "arrogant big-mouth" Shearer?

How well did you manage Newcastle United FC! Did you lead them to the promised land of the Championship?

Ian Jones
2 Posted 28/08/2015 at 23:02:16
Perhaps we should start a list (see you next Tuesday) of pundits like Shearer who belittle our great club.

Add Phil Thompson to that list too, for his comments on Stones.

Clive Mitchell
3 Posted 28/08/2015 at 23:57:33
I need to get this off my chest. The parasitic football media have sunk to new lows this summer. You get used to there not being a single journalist who's clued-up enough to realise Everton's interest in signing a centre back stems from the departures of Alcaraz and Distin, not an intention to sell Stones.

But what has really wound me up is the churlish, mealy-mouthed, illogical tripe trotted out as if it's insight by that RS clown Lawrenson. I assume he would argue that when the RS hung on to Suarez, they ticked every box: they got a great season out of him; and they got a lot more than 㿔m when he went.

I assume he feels that Stones isn't Martin Skrtel, doesn't play for the RS, and therefore cannot possibly be worth more than a bog-standard fee. He is either too stupid, or too graceless, even to reflect on the possibility that Chelsea have been trying all summer to get Stones on the cheap; that with the new TV deal and Stones progress to automatic England choice his fee in 12 months could be 㿭m+ never mind 㿙m; and that, in the meantime, since Stones is about the best there is, we want him in our team helping to win matches in the PL.

Brains of a tomato, he implies that Everton are too stupid to have acted in their own best second-class interests. Well, we'll see won't we?

Colin Glassar
5 Posted 29/08/2015 at 00:06:30
Roll on the 2nd of September. What do journos do between transfer windows? Start making up the January rumours?
Colin Gee
6 Posted 29/08/2015 at 00:45:13
Colin it wouldn't surprise me at all to see on the 2nd September a headline in one of the 'news'papers that says, Chelsea considering a bid again for John Stones in the January Transfer window.
Spragg Johnson
7 Posted 29/08/2015 at 00:59:56
Martinez's quote along the lines of "Just because you have a Champions League budget doesn't mean you can click your fingers and get whatever you want" is a great one ... And I really hope West Brom can keep
Berahino. Players on long term contracts may stay a bit longer now. Anything that refutes the 'greed is good' mentality of football can't be a bad thing. COYB.
Chris Wilson
8 Posted 29/08/2015 at 01:22:08
I wonder if we'll start seeing a trend now where young players with potential start avoiding long term contracts. That was the most powerful thing we had that was irrefutable. Chelsea, and Chelsea's media could throw all of their Champions League opportunities, titles, national team call-ups, opportunities to learn from John Terry (Incidentally, when did that arrogant, racist, WAG banger get elevated to Demi God status?), but the fact of the matter was - he signed a five year contract...a year ago. So John goes when Everton says he can go. End of discussion. But if there was only one or two years left, we'd have a new #5.

I know there are some articles talking about how our stance, as well as, West Brom's is maybe the beginning of a change in attitude. But I worry that somehow even with massive amounts of money coming in next few seasons; the Sky 4, 5 or whatever the hell they are, will find a new angle that will still give them all the leverage and power over those of us chasing them. I don't know what it will be - I have some ideas. I just worry that fans will think, "Alright! All this money will level the playing field!", but I worry that the more things change, the more they will stay the same. I would love to be wring though.

Paul Kennedy
10 Posted 29/08/2015 at 16:19:59
I think we have all been surprised at the stance taken by Roberto then supported by Bill in not selling Stones. We all thought this was a ploy by them to increase the price (it may yet turn out to be the case) but at least now we have shown we will not roll over on the cheap.

When you think of all our players reported to be going: McCarthy, Mirallas, Stones, Barkley, Garbutt Coleman... But they still remain players at Everton.

Shocked... yes!! Delighted... yes!! Wary... very!!

Mike Childs
12 Posted 30/08/2015 at 13:58:37
So which manager Brenda or Jose is the leading odds on to get sacked first this year? Can't think of anyone being above them.
Grant Smith
13 Posted 30/08/2015 at 18:11:08
Firstly, in defence of those who were sure Stones would leave - I think most of us would have to be honest enough to accept that we fully expected it to happen also.

More importantly, though, we did keep hold of him and I am so happy we did. As others have said, the player is instrumental to our success and to sell would have sent out a terrible message for the rest of the squad in terms of our ambitions for the future.

As others have also stated, a fee for a full-fledged England international in an even richer market where top class centre-halves are fairly rare across the world, will definitely be enhanced in 12 months time.

Something is changing within the Premier League and the advantage that the top 4 have always had is starting to slowly close.

John Keating
14 Posted 30/08/2015 at 19:30:55
What Martinez and Bill have said regarding keeping Stones deserves respect.

The issue to my mind is not the initial he's not for sale; it is the fact that we need to ensure he actually stays for the minimum of the duration of his contract.

Not only that we must give him and the rest of the young guys the expectation that we will improve the squad to give them all the opportunity to fulfil their ambitions. Keeping Stones for just an extra season in order to get an extra few quid should not be what this is all about.

Jimmy Sørheim
15 Posted 30/08/2015 at 19:43:11
I know for a fact that we only held out for a higher price, and we were hoping to negotiate away the sell on clause. If Barnsley had not held on to their demands then he would be sold.

I am quite sure he will go in January anyway. Hopefully we will get at least £40M for ourselves by then.

Tony Draper
16 Posted 30/08/2015 at 20:07:11
Mike @10.

Even "TalkShite" and their numerous bookmaking "sponsors" are offering shorter and shorter odds for "The Special One" to depart before the end of the next summer "Transfer Window". Despite him (once again) professing that he wants to see out his managerial career with Chelsea.

He wanted Sir Alex's job. He did not get offered it.

I have said repeatedly that he won't be hanging around. He never has.

His countdown clock started ticking the very day he returned to his repulsive adorable Chelsea. Let's watch him tear himself to pieces.

Michael Kenrick
17 Posted 31/08/2015 at 01:44:30
Grant, when you say:

Something is changing within the Premier League and the advantage that the top 4 have always had is starting to slowly close.

Are you referring to a less-than perfect start to the season by some of the monied elite? Or the smaller differential created by larger TV payouts?

While I would rejoice more than anyone at their impending demise, I think it's merely business as usual. Remember, in the words of the TW cliche, "It's a marathon, not a sprint." Four games in, we've barely rounded the first corner.

Matt Traynor
18 Posted 31/08/2015 at 04:47:33
Sorry but Everton are the masters of the late twist... I won't be counting any chickens till Stones lines up against Chelsea, rather than for them.

The Express yesterday apparently ran an article that said we'd accept £34m, based on us getting someone else in, then when Chelsea offered that we knocked it back, causing further fume from Mourihno.

Today Radio 5 are running the sports headlines with "Stones called up for England". Why? What's so significant about that?

Good job I gave up giving a shit about the "world's greatest league" a long time ago. But how lucky for Man City and Chelsea that Financial Fair Play seems to have died a death. Still, the Premier League has their own rules, so will punish these mega-wealthy clubs with.. a fine.

Nick Entwistle
19 Posted 31/08/2015 at 16:57:08
If he isn't available this window, he will be next summer. He could do a Yakubu and down tools, you never know, and his price will depreciate. Chelsea need a defender and could find better for less elsewhere and then we've just passed up £35m and vital reinvestment.
Ian Jones
20 Posted 31/08/2015 at 17:15:35
Mourhino to go if we beat them. Perhaps the grim reaper guy could stand behind him in the dugout.
Joe Foster
24 Posted 31/08/2015 at 17:44:15
Apologies "Graham" spelt your name wrong.

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