A season that was anticipated with so much promise and optimism that last season's 11th-place berth was a temporary blip is on course to be worse than 2014-15 as the Blues languish in 14th place and it is leading to mounting supporter discontent.
As recent comments by Leighton Baines last week after the defeat to Manchester United and James McCarthy following Saturday's disappointing draw with Watford demonstrate, the players can't get away from the fact that the team as a whole is under-performing under Roberto Martinez and Barry is the latest to say that current results are not good enough.
“When you look at our league position, with the players we've got, we need to be higher. You can't argue about that,” veteran midfielder said in the Liverpool Echo.
“There is a lot of negativity around at the moment. We don't want to finish another season in the bottom half of the table.
“We need to make sure we start playing better together as a team,” the 35-year-old concluded, closely echoing the words of Baines from a week ago.
Barry returned to the starting line-up at Vicarage Road after serving a two-match suspension and contributed to a display that could only have been better than the preceding defeats to United and Arsenal but the Toffees had to be content with a draw after Jose Holebas cancelled out James McCarthy's opener.
Everton play the third of three consecutive away games on Wednesday evening when they face Crystal Palace where a win could lift them up to 11th.
Reader Comments (63)
Note: the following content is not moderated or vetted by the site owners at the time of submission. Comments are the responsibility of the poster. Disclaimer
1 Posted 11/04/2016 at 15:49:32
2 Posted 11/04/2016 at 15:53:42
3 Posted 11/04/2016 at 16:02:35
I doubt it as Martinez strongly lamented the fact that Barry was missing in the two previous games even though he's previously said we are able to cope without certain individuals and have fantastic cover in every area... Oh bugger it, I can't believe a word that pillock says anyway.
Another great article from Sky Sports today, ripping Martinez to pieces. The press are really starting to get warmed up on this now. Lots of support for Baines there too.
4 Posted 11/04/2016 at 16:13:23
I would fuck Martinez off and appoint Barry as interim player manager. We need a manager not an autocrat. They are playing like headless chickens with the main culprit a dead duck.
5 Posted 11/04/2016 at 16:21:09
"We don't want another bottom-half finish....
6 Posted 11/04/2016 at 16:21:48
Would this negativity be due to the apathy or lack of 'chemistry'' among the players? The negativity is contagious and has created divided loyalties whereby, some fans would even forfeit the Cup success for Martinez's removal.
I can empathise with their reasoning. It's a bit like being in the wilderness, metaphorically speaking, getting a limb caught in a trap and having to chew it off, as you don't have the luxury of a penknife!
7 Posted 11/04/2016 at 16:35:22
8 Posted 11/04/2016 at 16:38:09
9 Posted 11/04/2016 at 16:44:57
No odds appear to be available on 'talking a good game'!
10 Posted 11/04/2016 at 16:46:25
11 Posted 11/04/2016 at 16:50:20
I would hope that the senior players would speak to the chairman or Farhad Moshiri to say what is causing the negativity. I get heartily sick of another player coming out after yet another dismal display to say we aren't happy either.
The difference is you are getting £50-60-70 grand a week, were us fans just have to keep shelling out to watch rubbish week after week. We have bought our Wembley tickets, arranged our travel and maybe paid for a hotel room. This is despite poor performances, week-in & week-out.
12 Posted 11/04/2016 at 16:53:16
13 Posted 11/04/2016 at 16:55:07
14 Posted 11/04/2016 at 17:03:14
15 Posted 11/04/2016 at 17:05:14
Surely this would remove all the dithering that would continue to go on over the summer, through the Euros and before the transfer window closes, I'd rather the 'new' manager get the full transfer kitty to build on what we are able to 'keep' bring in, big mangers can bring in 'talent' instead of some of the dross we have at the moment (KonÃ©).
If Manuel Pellegrini is not your preferred replacement for Martinez, then who?
16 Posted 11/04/2016 at 17:05:43
Lukaku is definitely one of them over the last few weeks. Shame really, as he has all the attributes to be one of the best centre forwards in Europe. Looks like it will be with another team.
Something stinks at Everton re team spirit.
17 Posted 11/04/2016 at 17:25:03
18 Posted 11/04/2016 at 17:32:57
Just try putting defenders on the near post, and far post and man marking at corners. If you want to talk to anybody Mr Barry least of all the press, please tell John Stones to stop trying to be Barnsley's answer to Pele and actually defend. A stronger manager would have done this.
I am getting sick of all this talk off the field as I see very little communication on the field. As I said talk is cheap.
19 Posted 11/04/2016 at 17:39:07
Personally I'd prefer Koeman, premier league tried and trusted and his transfer record is holding up well.
21 Posted 11/04/2016 at 17:40:39
22 Posted 11/04/2016 at 17:42:09
23 Posted 11/04/2016 at 17:49:39
Andrew, no rush, are you joking? There's every rush as he is ruining our club. Every place in the league is worth £1million and without him we have a far better chance of winning the FA Cup. The fact that he is making going to the match a miserable affair â€“ more than makes it a rush.
I'm not convinced by Pellegrini. I'd sack the clown now and give the interim job to Joe Royle and Big Dunc, and then appoint properly in the summer
24 Posted 11/04/2016 at 17:57:36
25 Posted 11/04/2016 at 18:01:49
26 Posted 11/04/2016 at 18:52:20
Actions speak the loudest! Why not have a media ban until we win 3 games in a row! When Neville Southall spoke, you listened! When Dave Watson spoke, you listened! It's all a bit hot air like to me!!
28 Posted 11/04/2016 at 19:15:49
Martinez will be gone soon. I understand the desire not to rock the boat mid season. Chance of Europe has gone, we have a cup semi to do which Martinez has proven he can navigate, and I would only get rid before season end if we genuinely flirt with relegation.
29 Posted 11/04/2016 at 19:41:10
30 Posted 11/04/2016 at 19:41:18
What also amazes me is the solid platform he took over and the work ethic we had before him. He has systematically dismantled all this so surely the board must look at this too and not just his last two seasons.
For me, I look and see a club with no foundation, no work ethic, no other tactics and one way of playing. Players are bored and uninterested, oh and I think we've just wasted £13M on a player too. And yep it has all been done by one man, Roberto Martinez...
Sorry but sack him now and let's move on!
31 Posted 11/04/2016 at 19:43:40
32 Posted 11/04/2016 at 19:48:48
Just as Baines' 'chemistry' last week was clear, so is Barry's 'we need to play better as a team'. His words themselves are an acceptance of collective responsibility, but the implication of both men is that the problem we have is the combining things together, which is the managers job.
They're using a not too subtle code to tell us they feel held back by whatever bullshit training and instructions they're getting.
33 Posted 11/04/2016 at 20:45:16
34 Posted 11/04/2016 at 20:47:04
35 Posted 11/04/2016 at 20:57:13
36 Posted 11/04/2016 at 21:13:03
If he is in charge against either West Ham Utd or Man Utd, we will lose. He has not only lost the players, but also the fans.
37 Posted 11/04/2016 at 21:18:57
Kenwright is a great Evertonian but also a great romantic and he will hope that winning the cup would be the turning point for the club even if most of us don't.
However, anyone who thinks that any appointment of Duncan Ferguson even on a temporary basis is more a romantic that Kenwright. It would be the worse decision ever.
38 Posted 11/04/2016 at 21:29:39
40 points is a myth. Since we survived in 97-98 with 40 points, only once has a team gone down with 40 or more (that is 18 seasons!). The average is about 35 for the team in 18th.
But 40 points is a nice round number. We were safe when we beat Stoke for sure and we may find that it was the win over Newcastle that saw us safe. So have the players seen my stats and been on the beach since then?
39 Posted 11/04/2016 at 21:39:36
Hope I'm wrong, but I can't see how we are going to improve with so much negativity around. Looks like the senior players are finally taking it in turns to try and bring about change. I fear it might be too late now though, and Martinez will be with us till the season ends.
40 Posted 11/04/2016 at 21:56:24
The only thing left to do now is put all our eggs in one basket and wrap the players up in cotton wool.
Barkley, Lukaku, Baines, Coleman, McCarthy, Lennon and Funes Mori (now Jagielka is injured) are key to the semi-finals injury to one of them lowers our chances of winning the FA Cup.
Obviously none of the above players can be rested in all the upcoming games, but they can be nursed through games to strengthen our chances of winning the cup.
After the cup, win or lose, Roberto has to go.
41 Posted 11/04/2016 at 22:00:04
Naismith would of made a much more off an impact coming off the bench in the last few games than any of our other attacking players, grit, knows where the goal is when he gets hold of the ball in the box and above all 110% commitment.
Not Martinez type of player and, because he never has a Plan B, he gets rid. I'm not buying any bull about him wanting consistent first team starts, he loved the club and with the right Manager telling him he was part of his plans he would've stayed.
I mentioned on another post that we should go all out to get Gus Hiddink; he would be a great fit with our new money and getting the team playing for each other again.
42 Posted 11/04/2016 at 22:20:17
43 Posted 11/04/2016 at 22:28:07
The result is we have no backbone, no attitude and no passion. We play like an Under-14 side who haven't been introduced to the real world yet. And get tonked by the brutes in the Premier League.
Naismith should not have gone.
No balls... no passion, no grit? No future.
44 Posted 11/04/2016 at 23:14:01
I've lost count of the times I've seen Ross Barkley pull out of a 50/50 ball or not even make the effort to get close, or Deuofeu dive after he has got past his man!
I was gutted watching the highlights of Tottenham and Leicester on Match of the day Sunday night, not out of envy of their league position but out of seeing how hard they work all over the pitch for each other and being reminded once again of how far away we are from being a top team!
This manager just does not know what it takes to build a top team, Bill and Farhad need to bring a guy in of Koeman's calibre and turn the club around before it's too late and this guy get's us relegated next season!
45 Posted 11/04/2016 at 00:06:35
But... it won't will it?
It is PATHETIC. The board are culpable.
46 Posted 12/04/2016 at 00:22:26
That's from an impartial neutral. Nice to know how others see us isn't it?
47 Posted 12/04/2016 at 00:56:55
Sky money, plus Moshiri money, plus transfer sales "should" equate to some big changes over the summer.
48 Posted 12/04/2016 at 01:21:50
49 Posted 12/04/2016 at 05:20:12
It might have been a better idea to keep Steven until the end of this season at least, but the player wanted to leave and perhaps that says a lot!
50 Posted 12/04/2016 at 06:34:32
51 Posted 12/04/2016 at 06:41:25
The only people in the ground who couldn't see those banners were those directly behind them and I'll bet they soon made sure they found out what was on them.
Such a statement again proves to me that the man is, surely an inveterate liar and has no place managing our team because, of course, he's already stated elsewhere that he understands the frustrations of those fans who unfurled the banners, ie, he DID see them! He can't have it both ways, but that's Martinez all over. Say one thing one day, and contradict himself the next.
No wonder the players look like they don't know what they're doing on the pitch. How many contradictory instructions are they being given before and during the game. What a manager!
52 Posted 12/04/2016 at 07:27:45
I believe he could turn out to be, what everyone thought and hoped Moyes would be.
His comments on MotD last Saturday about how they had been practicing corners, brought joy to my heart and we know, to our cost, that his sides don't give up until the final whistle has been blown.
53 Posted 12/04/2016 at 08:30:28
I'm sure he is clear over the diabolical situation and has already made his mind up to get rid of Martinez. Moshiri sees no rush as we are safe from going down and he doesn't need to stir up things right now.
Martinez will be gone end of season or just before. As I posted earlier, hopefully Moshiri is doing something on QT and sounding the replacement out.
I want Everton to win every match and I don't want anyone ruining the club. I just think Moshiri is resigned to how it is today but will change it all very soon. If we win the semis Martinez will lead us out in the final, if we lose the semis then following Monday latest then Martinez is out. COYB!
54 Posted 12/04/2016 at 09:03:37
Footballers should keep their comments to the dressing room and that goes through every level of professional football. They are being paid top money for doing a 'job'. They are not part timers or amateurs.
That go's for every industry and do not forget that players are contractors not company men.
55 Posted 12/04/2016 at 09:14:02
"I would fuck Martinez off and appoint Barry as interim player manager"
56 Posted 12/04/2016 at 09:38:12
When TWO senior players make "polite", yet constructive comments, then the message is clear. "The Dressing Room" has heard enough.
Time for the fans to stand up and rid the players of Roberto.
Continue your "research project" elsewhere Roberto, you're ignoring BLATANT evidence!
"Taxi for Martinez !"
58 Posted 12/04/2016 at 10:47:38
After listening to him I could see why he was a champion. He spoke and made me believe that Everton SHOULD be challenging in the upper echelons. His response to any question was just 'Why not?' He had belief in himself and the club, and by the time he was finished I fully believed that Everton were capable of anything.
It was so refreshing after spending so long listening to Martinez come out with garbage, week-in & week-out.
59 Posted 12/04/2016 at 11:27:27
Martinez has completely lost the dressing-room and there is a lack of team ethic. Each player is untrusting of the tactics used and therefore looks after his own role without buying into the team.
Martinez needs to go. The question isn't really who we want, but who'll come to Goodison? Koeman? Howe? Hughton? I don't know, if the money's right no doubt they'd come, but Everton per se is no longer an attraction and some might prefer to stick with the teams they've built and whose team ethic they can trust.
60 Posted 12/04/2016 at 11:40:15
Naisy would have done it. I know hindsight is 20/20 and all that, but Naisy was a workaholic and a decent man to boot! Effectively, not only are we are a man down, but a few million as well!
Under-performing players and players who don't perform including managers should have a slice of their inflated wages docked! The money should be used to by tickets for fans in a lottery style. Sounds crazy? No.
61 Posted 12/04/2016 at 13:07:21
"Everton boss Roberto Martinez is asked who is to blame for his side's poor form.
He replies: ""There is no such thing as blame.
"We haven't been able to manage games well enough, we haven't preserved leads and we've thrown games away."
He says: "I can understand their frustration in theÂ football club we all share an incredibleÂ amount of passion and I accept that.Â
"The only thing that matters is to finish the season really, really strong."
First of all, clearly deflecting his poor role by saying 'blame' doesn't exist wow! Any why haven't we been able to manage games? Clown.
You don't understand our frustrations!!!! If you did, you'd leave.
'Finish strongly' that's all that matters??? So all the rubbish we've seen so far doesn't matter? Does anyone feel like punching him?
62 Posted 12/04/2016 at 13:09:29
I thought his job title was Manager.
So where does the "We" come from?
63 Posted 12/04/2016 at 13:24:30
They always seem to do it it to us: 2005 when we finished 4th against the odds a year after finishing 4th bottom, they go and win the Champions League and everything in the City is about them and even 1995, when we last won silverware, they had to go and bloody win the League Cup as well.
Not since the 1980s have we been the only trophy winners in a single season here. So for once my allegiances this week lay elsewhere but Everton.
64 Posted 12/04/2016 at 13:26:55
He's knackered and why wouldn't he be? He isn't right for the project of picking up from the mess Martinez has created. Get real please guys.
I will say, though, that he would have been the perfect guy three years ago to have built on where Moyes had taken us to. All gone now though and needs to be built up again.
As for Pellegrini, I am distinctly unimpressed. With the players he has and the money at his disposal he is seriously under-performing. Now you could argue he has been undermined at City but that doesn't explain that their whole performance as a team hinges on the fitness of Kompany rather than having a suitable top class alternative defender. He persists with DeMichelis which is enough of a reason for "No" in its own right in my opinion.
65 Posted 12/04/2016 at 13:29:59
66 Posted 12/04/2016 at 15:16:13
Good spot, Joe! I believe he gets paid £3 million to 'manage'!!
Add Your Comments
In order to post a comment, you need to be logged in as a registered user of the site.
Or Sign up as a ToffeeWeb Member — it's free, takes just a few minutes and will allow you to post your comments on articles and Talking Points submissions across the site.