Liverpool 4 - 0 Everton
Ramiro Funes Mori was sent off early in the second half and is suspended for Saturday's cup semi-final as things stand
Ramiro Funes Mori was sent off and Everton played much of the second half with no recognised centre-halves as the Blues were utterly humiliated at Anfield.
2-0 down by the halfway stage having conceded two soft headed goals late in the first half, Roberto Martinez's side were then reduced to ten men — and just one recognised central defender — as the Argentine defender was given his marching orders for stamping on Divock Origi's ankle.
The Blues then lost their remaining centre back when John Stones was taken off with what his manager said were stomach pains, forcing James McCarthy to drop back into the back four alongside Muhamed Besic.
The game was effectively over as a contest by that stage. Everton, who failed to muster a shot on target with their full complement and the scores goalless, spent the rest of the match in damage-limitation mode but conceded twice more to complete one of the most astonishing collapses in recent memory.
The defeat condemned Everton to a seventh match without a win in the Premier League and leaves them critically undermined in terms of defensive personnel and morale heading into the all-important FA Cup semi-final against Manchester United on Saturday.
It also surely leaves Martinez, who has yet to reach double figures for league victories with just four hames left, on the precipice when it comes to his job, with many Everton fans having seen enough following this latest derby humiliation.
Romelu Lukaku and Ross Barkley returned to a strong starting XI, which featured Bryan Oviedo as the expected stand-in for the injured Seamus Coleman.Saturday's teenage debutant, Tom Davies, was not included in the squad this time as Martinez opted for a strength and a bid to gather some momentum heading into the weekend.
Everton started well, with the kind of commitment and purpose that Blues fans were hoping for after a series of pedestrian displays.
Ross Barkley had a strong early run snuffed out but it was Joel Robles who was called into serious action first when Oviedo skied the ball in midfield and the ball was fed straight to Philippe Coutinho who put Adam Lallana clean through but he was denied brilliantly by the Spanish keeper who was off his line smartly to block as the midfielder tried to slide it under him.
An Everton break at the other end offered a chance to Kevin Mirallas but his curling effort cleared the bar and the Belgian then sliced another shot badly from a similar range a few minutes later.
Coutinho drove a shot over from 25 yards and Mamadou Sakho recovered after being rolled by Lukaku in the box to get a foot on the ball and prevent the Blues striker from getting his shot away.
The reds remained the greater attacking impetus as the half wore on, though. Coutinho bounced a free kick wide from the edge of "D", Dejan Lovren fired off target from distance before Firmino marginally sprung the offside trap but Robles came to the rescue with a last-ditch save with his foot.
The Blues' notorious Achilles heel reared its head just before half-time, however. Milner swung a deep cross to the back post where Divock Origi rose above the flat-footed John Stones to head past Robles who had hesitated as the ball came in.
Then, in first-half stoppage time, Oviedo was again caught giving too much space to Milner who collected a one-two from Lallana and Sakho headed home unmarked at the back post.
Gareth Barry was withdrawn at half time, presumably to save his legs for Saturday, but Everton's hopes of getting back into the match were dealt a potentially crippling blow five minutes into the second half when Funes Mori was shown a red card for a stamping challenge on Origi.
Barkley came off for Cleverley but Everton were carved open on the hour and Sturridge slotted past Robles following an error by Stones. Stones himself was then take off injured, leaving Martinez with no first-choice centre halves. McCarthy and Barry partnered each other in defence.
Coutinho half-volleyed wide from Milner's cross but Oviedo blocked it behind as the reds went in search of more goals.
Robles then fisted a rasping Moreno effort away to safety but with no attacking outlet, the ball just kept coming back and Coutinho rubbed further salt in the wounds with a crisp drive into the far corner to make it 4-0.
With Everton penned in their own half for almost the entire second half, Sturridge's attempt to make it five almost came off the bar but Robles touched it over in injury time. And the Spaniard made a diving save a minute or so later to deny the same player.
Referee: Robert Madley
Everton: Robles, Oviedo, Stones, Funes Mori, Baines, Barry, McCarthy, Lennon, Mirallas, Barkley, Lukaku
Subs: Howard, Besic, Cleverley, Osman, Pienaar, Deulofeu, Niasse
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2 Posted 20/04/2016 at 19:05:59
Still what do we fans know about management that our boss doesn't eh?
4 Posted 20/04/2016 at 19:16:53
5 Posted 20/04/2016 at 19:17:45
An injury at the back would mean a bit of a reshuffle.
6 Posted 20/04/2016 at 19:19:09
7 Posted 20/04/2016 at 19:22:18
1. How did he pass a medical, and
2. Why is he occupying a place that a fit youngster could be sitting in!!!!
Let's hope we don't see an injury to Lukaku early on.
Anyway back to the game, cmon you blues. Got a sneaky feeling we're going to nick this one!!!
8 Posted 20/04/2016 at 19:23:33
9 Posted 20/04/2016 at 19:23:49
10 Posted 20/04/2016 at 19:29:44
11 Posted 20/04/2016 at 19:33:06
12 Posted 20/04/2016 at 19:34:29
Still if we don't get any injuries this 1st team will earn a long overdue at that place. COYB
13 Posted 20/04/2016 at 19:34:40
14 Posted 20/04/2016 at 19:34:50
Oviedo playing right back is not going to end well.
Why has Dowell who has been banging in the goals for the U21's not on the bench instead of the apparently unfit Niasse.
Why is Peanuts on the bench instead of Davies or Connolly.
The younger lads need exposure in this exact type of game if they are to fulfil their potential.
16 Posted 20/04/2016 at 19:36:23
17 Posted 20/04/2016 at 19:39:27
C'mon you Blue Boys!
18 Posted 20/04/2016 at 19:40:20
Hope the lad doesn't have a torrid time on his outside space.... Otherwise, hope our central defenders plus goalkeeper can defend this area of attack! Martinez out!!!
19 Posted 20/04/2016 at 19:40:32
Oviedo baby was a disaster last time at RB and is not currently playing well.
No defenders on the bench.
No kids on the bench and wtf is Niasse doing on the bench.
21 Posted 20/04/2016 at 19:44:24
Martinez may be a lot of things but one things he is not is a bottler.
If he was we would have more points, he has put his neck on the line with this team.
I hope it goes well for him and US..
22 Posted 20/04/2016 at 19:50:26
23 Posted 20/04/2016 at 19:55:33
24 Posted 20/04/2016 at 19:55:35
25 Posted 20/04/2016 at 19:57:25
26 Posted 20/04/2016 at 20:00:12
27 Posted 20/04/2016 at 20:01:47
28 Posted 20/04/2016 at 20:03:12
Hopefully next season will see a different Everton team.
29 Posted 20/04/2016 at 20:11:42
You are speaking about the bench he has Niasse on the bench when the everyone is questioning how he can not be fit he has to be shit...
No, as much as I want him gone. Martinez is not a bottler.
30 Posted 20/04/2016 at 20:18:19
31 Posted 20/04/2016 at 20:25:34
Couldn't get a ticket tonight.
This is the Everton I love too see. Where have they been all season???
Regardless of the final score, this is what I pay to see.
Still need a new manager, but the talent is there to see.
Bye bye Roberto, we should have been playing like this all season. Where would we be in the league by now???
32 Posted 20/04/2016 at 20:30:44
33 Posted 20/04/2016 at 20:47:06
34 Posted 20/04/2016 at 20:47:13
35 Posted 20/04/2016 at 20:47:27
36 Posted 20/04/2016 at 20:47:38
Living off scraps - waiting for inevitable. This will get embarrassing in the second half if not in the first 2 down
38 Posted 20/04/2016 at 20:52:41
39 Posted 20/04/2016 at 20:53:38
40 Posted 20/04/2016 at 20:53:58
41 Posted 20/04/2016 at 20:54:24
43 Posted 20/04/2016 at 20:54:41
44 Posted 20/04/2016 at 20:54:44
And if anybody wants to pay £60 million plus for Rom.
Please take the money.
45 Posted 20/04/2016 at 20:55:32
46 Posted 20/04/2016 at 20:55:49
47 Posted 20/04/2016 at 20:56:34
48 Posted 20/04/2016 at 20:57:36
49 Posted 20/04/2016 at 20:57:42
50 Posted 20/04/2016 at 20:58:04
As for Niasse why if unfit is he on bench taking the place of someone who could play.
Please put us out of our misery MARTINEZ PLEASE GO.
51 Posted 20/04/2016 at 20:59:00
Same again on Saturday.
Why do we put ourselves through this?
52 Posted 20/04/2016 at 20:59:31
53 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:01:45
54 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:01:55
55 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:02:41
He must go TOMORROW so the team can be galvanised before Saturday. What the fuck has happened to Lukaku he hasn't won a header for weeks and is disinterested, lazy and a fucking embarrassment.
Come on Moshiri, get on the phone to Bill and get this sorted so we have some chance of salvaging this awful season or we'll just end up being dumped out of the cup and finishing 14th in the league. Get rid of this Spanish fraud now. ðŸ˜¡
56 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:02:50
57 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:03:49
This is the worst run of games since Christmas that I can remember. Martinez should have been sacked at Christmas.
58 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:04:26
59 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:04:44
60 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:04:47
61 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:07:10
62 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:08:53
63 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:10:59
Says it all really....
64 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:12:37
Then I woke up!
65 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:12:44
68 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:13:51
69 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:14:02
70 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:16:39
71 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:17:48
72 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:23:03
ps: There is more chance of seeing Elvis shopping in Tesco than us ever winning at Anfield again.
73 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:23:45
74 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:24:42
I posted after 20 mins, however, it was the obvious kiss of death.
All I can hope for is the swift exit of Martinez.
75 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:25:34
Martinez is toast!!!
76 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:25:56
77 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:26:50
78 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:27:10
I just don't get the hype.
79 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:27:11
80 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:27:54
Do not let him get away with the usual phenomenal crap about the performance with ten men.
81 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:28:04
82 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:30:24
83 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:30:33
I hope BK goes as well after this...
84 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:32:49
Perhaps this can be the death knell for the incredible one who has completely destroyed this football team. For god's sake, please call a taxi and appoint a caretaker now.
Feeling sick and upset that we resorted to thuggery on the pitch. Funes Mori can fuck off back to Argentina.
85 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:33:14
Now, who actually thinks it's counter productive to sack this man before the semi? Should have gone before tonight; if he's still there by Saturday, then the humiliation will he complete.
I am actually cursing renewing my season ticket for next season already. If he isn't gone by then, then that does leave a dilemma. I just can't watch him and his rubbish football any longer.
86 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:33:28
87 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:35:29
88 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:35:34
Lukaku has no pride in himself as a footballer.
89 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:36:53
90 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:37:23
Would any other PL club with an ounce of ambition still have an employee called Roberto Martinez by midday tomorrow after the debacle of the past 2 seasons up to and including tonight?
He should have gone a year ago.
He is not only incompetent, he's a total embarrassment.
But so are his employers for letting it descend to this.
(And there's still 10 minutes of the torture left.)
91 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:37:40
Never have I felt so low as I do now.
Toothless... no passion.. no fight embarrassing.
92 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:38:49
93 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:40:00
Are you watching Moshiri?
Are you there?
Please excuse my earlier posts, need to take more water with it!!!
94 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:40:08
95 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:40:48
96 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:41:14
97 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:41:22
98 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:41:39
99 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:42:35
Not a single player who has played tonight should make the team on Saturday! Play the U21s from now until the season's end!
Not one of these players deserves to wear an Everton shirt!! And Roberto simply does not deserve to be at a club such as ours!!
100 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:42:52
101 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:43:55
You can forget Everton until we get a new manager. We have to get rid of him quickly. Forget about the FA Cup. The worst thing that could happen is if Martinez actually manages to win it. Then we are 100% relegated next year.
102 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:44:08
Or did he make Funes Mori commit a stupid tackle right in front of a linesman and the biggest whinging fans around?
Or did he tell superstar Stones to give it straight to Lucas for the third goal?
I turned off at 3-0, just heard it's 4-0, not seen the goal... but I bet it was Roberto's fault
103 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:45:18
I thought the Tranmere game was the worst I'd ever seen but this is 100 times worse.
104 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:45:34
Got to go!
Moyes are you up to much at the moment?
105 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:45:38
Pool 13 on target Blues 0
106 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:46:06
Thanks, Everton, for another big let down.
107 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:46:11
There are no other options, no other way forward.
If Roberto is there tomorrow lunchtime then it's down to Kenwright no one else.
What a manager... what a disgrace. And you know, I don't blame any of the players tonight... not one.
108 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:46:23
109 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:46:50
At least this result should be the catalyst for change, so we can be thankful for small mercies.
110 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:47:02
When it was obvious it wouldn't happen, I decided to look for the positives and be supportive, but he's taken the fun out of football. I think it's going to take an almighty effort from the fans to make Bill see sense. He needs to be forced to act.
111 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:47:27
112 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:49:07
Donate all your wages to Speedo Mick . He's come all the way back for that shite.
113 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:49:36
114 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:50:06
We came out the second half and showed tremendous character. We had control of the game and except for the poor refereeing with the sending off, their fans singing stopping us communicating, and injuries, we would've finished the game strong. We deserved at least a point maybe even could've gone on to win the game.
But, on a positive note, we have a semi-final to look forward to, with a group of young players that are still coming together and learning with every game, we are close to being an excellent team. We just need to concentrate on finishing the season strong. We have worked hard for the last 10 months to be in this position and will show true character and drive to push ourselves through the final games of the season with incredible performances to make the fans proud.
What a manager!
115 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:50:30
The only question is whether we've got the balls to do it tonight. If it were me I wouldn't even have him do the post match team talk.
116 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:51:25
117 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:51:55
118 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:52:58
119 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:53:20
120 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:54:01
121 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:54:41
I feel the same our players are rudderless under Martinez but they don't give up. I think, if we can get a good manager in, we will go far with this group of players.
122 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:55:46
He has dragged us down to the lowest ebb in a long-long time. He needs to go now. We won't win another game this season and if he gets to bring in his signings in the summer and messes it up, the new manager will have nothing to spend.
To Kenwright and Moshiri â€“ listen to the fans .....need I say any more?
123 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:55:59
124 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:56:03
125 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:56:15
126 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:56:22
Before, if we lost, it would ruin my weekend; now, it's no real concern and I accept it. If this tool is still in charge next season, then see Villa Mk II.
127 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:57:17
Because, you know, sacking would be just not "the Everton way".
Brace yourselves for him to be given one more season incidentally the same line that was trotted out after last season's debacle (which now looks like a good season compared to this scandalous one) but only this time with funds to strengthen us.
We should change our stupid, meaningless motto to Semper Eadem ("always the same").
Oh, and didn't I say before the game that "form goes out the window in derbies" is a great, big stupid footballing myth?
128 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:57:44
Good riddance to bad rubbish!!!! ... NSNO
129 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:58:00
130 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:59:05
Niasse on the bench solely because he cost 㾹.5M, it's Martinez trying to con us fans that he has something to offer and is not a waste of money. The only creditable thing to do is sack him, it claws very slightly some respect back.
The damage had already been done and it has been gross incompetence that we are heading towards the semi final of the FA cup without the manager removed and temporary replacements in place to steady the ship. Roll on Saturday!
131 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:59:23
I would leave Lukaku at home on Saturday just to show him what a lazy arse he really is. As for the manager... well he shouldn't be here, should he? But the people in charge think otherwise.
132 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:59:37
133 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:59:40
134 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:59:40
136 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:01:01
I really am not looking forward to Saturday which, as a fan is so sad! I remember the excitement of semi-final day I am at a point where I don't want to watch it... but I will!!!
Feel so fucking miserable!
137 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:01:50
Big Dunc to take over until the end of the season starting with Wembley on Saturday.
Imagine the passion in that pre-match team talk!
"Yay fookin' win or yers gettin' done, capiche?!"
138 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:01:58
139 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:02:18
Tonight saw him bewildered and clueless. It would be an act of mercy to consign him to our history. To pay him enough that he need never have to embarrass himself again.
He has made fools of us. He has made our club a laughing stock. Another Martinez-induced shameful show.
140 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:03:11
They don't give up - did you watch our 㿞 million pound striker try tonight. He was a fucking disgrace. He was playing against a terrible footballer in Sako and he was intimated no bottle and that went back to the derby at our place.
The same player slides into McCarthy in the 94th minute just to let him know if you get me. Fucking shite footballer is Sako but he's a leader and we have none not fucking one.
We can blame Martinez all we want the players have no pride.
141 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:03:33
The man is a total amateur in fact he is not even that good.
If bullshit Billy doesn't sack him after that I fear for the club.
142 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:04:35
Can we talk about something else now?
143 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:04:35
There's been mainly lows supporting Everton but this is new depths. I don't ever want to see John Stones in our shirt again. Rom can chase his Champions League dream. Did he kick the ball tonight?
Barkley is not good enough. McCarthy offers nothing. Baines is past it. Etc etc.
144 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:04:43
Was Stones injured when he went off? It looked like he'd just had enough and spewed it...
145 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:05:07
146 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:05:10
Martinez should move to USA with Tim. The footie they play over there would suit him. Five-a-side on full sized pitches and no physical contact.
147 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:05:18
148 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:05:25
149 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:05:27
A new low tonight. Miles apart in the city and in the league. If the owners, whoever they are, must act. Gone past selecting players to blame. If the manager has any self-respect, he will resign tonight.
150 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:05:32
151 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:05:41
Bill Kenwright, please wake up. Martinez will never walk away. He will be sacked sooner or later and will never again manage a club of Everton's stature. Mr Moshiri will look to you for guidance and while your loyalty is admirable, it is totally misguided.
The only question is whether you get rid now......or wait till he has frittered away 𧴜+ million and left us in a precarious position 12 months from now. Because, sadly that is inevitable unless you act NOW!
152 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:06:17
I have been chastised many times in the Upper Bullens stand for saying this but I just can't stand him. I don't want anyone telling me his isolated or gets poor service. He is over-rated, lazy, selfish and a negative influence on the team.
153 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:07:16
154 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:08:43
155 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:09:15
156 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:09:33
And there's another positive.
Only 4-0. How bad are the rs?
I'm hoping to wake up to the news that RM has left 'by mutual consent'.
The board thought he was crap. And he agreed.
157 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:11:30
It is looking like a Besic and Galloway centre back partnership on Saturday with McCarthy and Cleverley or Gibson (if Barry is crocked) in the midfield. I'm not sure tonight could've gone worse if the biggest pessimist wrote the script.
We need a change NOW as this is not good enough for our magnificent club, although I'm sure nothing will happen until the summer at the earliest.
Well I'll be travelling down to Wembley in hope rather then expectation, there must be one more positive game this season, please let it be this weekend but I and I'm guessing no-one else can feel it.
158 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:13:16
159 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:13:26
160 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:13:33
I hope that when I awake and read the news that the headlines will be that Martinez has got the boot.
Night all. NSNO.
161 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:14:18
Funes Mori, hang your head in absolute shame. Apologise to the players, fans and also Origi. Immediately. Gobshite!
Rom, keep your gob shut, get your head down and launch into the MUFC defence like a wild animal on Saturday. Ross, grow up and do the same!
Jags' wife, wrap him up in bubble wrap and lie him in an empty bath until Saturday.
Stones, do the opposite of everything you're told until you leave.
162 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:14:29
163 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:15:14
Martinez has no "Plan B" and he's been found wanting time and time again over the past couple of seasons, with ineffectual or calamitous substitutions and tactical changes. After almost 3 seasons in charge, we've gone backwards. How is that possible, when on paper we have the most talented squad that I can remember in the last 25+ years? Simple he's lost the belief of the players.
For the last few months, there's been a half-hearted attitude in most of the team performances and the fact that he's been unable to eradicate this only strengthens the argument that he's lost the dressing room.
Please, let's move on. Let's restore some pride, some hope and provide some fresh impetus before the end of the season.
We don't need any drastic squad rebuilding in the summer, we just need to install an experienced manager who commands respect and who knows what he's doing.
164 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:16:41
This game is a defining moment for Martinez, he has proved once and for all he is not up to it. We can't go on like this it's an absolute joke.
165 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:16:52
166 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:17:03
What the hell was that?
I have always defended Martinez - great guy, great footballing philosophy, treats players, club and fans with respect. Good signings and wants to play attractive football.
However, tonight shows once again that he is out of his depth. What was he saying about football being about results?
Id like to add that tonights display was shocking, not just because of the result, but the staggering tactical ineptitude on display was truly shocking and appalling.
Like others have said, id like to thank Liverpool for actually helping Everton tonight. In the long run we will be glad that tonight is the night any hint or possibility that anyone connected with the club might have that Martinez is the right manager for the future will have been dispelled.
Better he goes now than he stays and continues to regress the club. Hell, id takes Moyes over him in a heartbeat and thats really saying something . Moyes had his failings, but man he was never as bad as this, at least not consistently!!
167 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:17:03
168 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:17:34
That could have easily been 7 or 8 tonight. God forbid I have to listen to Martinez say we did well with 10 men. We are in a defining mom.......
Yeah, you all get it. Get this lunatic out of my club now!
169 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:18:04
"What a manager" is right. I bet Bill is regretting making that stupid remark.
170 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:18:43
IT'S THE FUCKING MANAGEMENT THAT SHOULD GO NOT THE PLAYERS!
Good management is the key; bad management is the killer!
171 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:19:17
172 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:19:58
173 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:20:19
So much for making sure we have a team available for Saturday. No CBs, no right back and a left back who looks dis-interested.
I have heard that there are different cliques in the dressing room. That he knows about it, but believes they should work it out themselves. What a great leader that is.
We need someone who can galvanise this team for Saturday. Otherwise we will end up with another embarrassment again.
174 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:20:21
175 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:20:42
As youngsters, their desire to play football isn't there, they are both a liability, or are we as fans so stupid to pay to watch these inept players who (and I reiterate) are taking us for mugs?
176 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:20:48
Short of all running to the touchline and serially kicking him in the bollocks, the players couldn't make any clearer what they too think of The Incredible One.
177 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:21:05
178 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:21:05
179 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:21:52
180 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:22:00
I thought we did quite well in the pre-match warm up. RM will have them in early tomorrow for extra training getting on and off the Wembley coach. Confident they will look good.
I can't wait for TalkSport in the morning.
181 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:23:18
182 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:23:34
183 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:23:37
Roberto cannot / doesn't know how to play a defensive game!
He picked a team that was far too offensively orientated for where the team is at at the moment (i.e so low on confidence) for a visit to Anfield. We needed to be tight and compact tonight and defend as if our lives depended on it. I know we had injuries in the back line but we needed more steel in the team (Besic from the start instead of Mirallas for 1) but that isn't the 'Martinez way' he just doesn't know how to set a team up to defend.
He has to go!.....and before the weekend might be enough to give us a chance.....might.
184 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:23:38
185 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:24:05
Protest until your blue in the face, Kenwright won't sack him if only just to prove a point, the stubborn old twat. We'll get to keep him at our peril because mark my word, we'll be like Aston Villa this time next season. Kenwright and that board have not got one ounce of respect for our wonderful loyal fans. If they did, they'd sack him first thing in the morning.
No doubt the clown will blame the sending off wont wash, I'm afraid. We were already 2-0 down. Defensively we are a shambles; was anyone really shocked we got a hiding? I wasn't... I actually said it'd be 3-0 but, hey ho, it could've been 8-0, they were that rampant. Again, Its hard to take though. And ill have to face them at work in the morning. Cant wait
186 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:24:14
187 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:24:48
188 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:24:53
It is very clear that Martinez has long since lost the players. He simply must go and Kenwright should follow. With a good manager, next season could yet be a success. If we keep Martinez, we will be relegated. Simple choice in my view.
189 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:25:04
190 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:25:58
The best prospect at the club by a mile is Galloway, simply because he believes in himself and cares nothing for the reputation of his opponents. The rest can do one, including Lukaku. Performances like this and more will not fade from the memory easily.
I personally hate the management I work for with a passion, they are totally incompetent. Nevertheless I do my job because of something called professionalism. They don't get off the hook just because the buck happens to stop with Martinez.
191 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:26:03
192 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:26:18
What a mess... what a shambles.
193 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:26:44
Everton were not going to win the game tonight, too many players were keeping themselves fit for Saturday and nothing else to play for. Yet, Everton managed to lose Fune Mori to a red card, so is suspended for 3 games. Stones left the field ill or injured and Barry did not return for the second half. A disaster of a game in more ways than one.
194 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:26:47
"The red card leaves you in a position where the game from then on is a non-event. It is a really hurtful experience.
"At the moment, we are facing strong adversity but we have to switch attention to the big game at the weekend."
So full of crap it is beyond words. How did it go? The first 12 games was difficult. The real Everton will show in the next 12 games. Oh, I meant the next 12 games... Now Saturday.
Incompetent and embarrassing.
195 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:26:47
196 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:27:30
Everton have misunderstood, they must think they don't need the fans. Keep this shit going and Martinez in charge the ground will be fucking empty.
I pity the poor bastards that have got tickets for Wembley.
197 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:28:03
198 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:28:11
199 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:28:37
If he's left in charge next season, we will be down, make no mistake.
200 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:29:25
201 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:29:27
Sell Lukaku for 㿨m. Give 㾶m pa to a world class manager with a three-year deal plus the 㿊m change, the 𧴜m TV money and any proceeds from sales / wages that he can gather up for a new squad.
The only reason I wouldn't sack him tonight would be to give Liverpool the added satisfaction and cherry on tonight's cake. I'd leave that accolade to Man Utd on Saturday, just to wind them up.
202 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:30:26
Tonight, I just sat there, no anger, certainly no pleasure no matter how hard I look. I am just done in. I know that I will watch on Saturday but if Martinez is on the bench we will lose, and I reckon my brother-in-law won't even take the mick.
Please, for my sanity, sack Martinez now.
203 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:31:04
No excuses just bad management throughout, from TOP to BOTTOM, tells it's own harrowing story, very sad indeed.
Moyes good grounding, for all those years, has been gradually eroded.
204 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:31:42
Martinez finally being honest in an interview is no consolation.
I'll be there on Saturday and will do my best to shake off this dread.
205 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:31:53
Totally agree. Sandy Brown was made captain for the game against Leeds, and we got fined for fielding reserves. The thing is, Martinez is tactically inept and cannot see the obvious we now have barely half a team for Saturday.
206 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:31:57
Are we a club with any sense?
207 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:32:37
Waffled his way out of answering the question: "There was already huge pressure on you personally. What has that done to you tonight. In terms of pressure on you?"
So the reporter asks: "How much do you feel you're fighting for your job?"
Roberto waffled his way out of that one too. You could tell he was feeling the strain.
Once the media sense blood, they're relentless. This may get ugly.
208 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:32:53
209 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:33:19
The big problem is that we could still be relegated.
I said after the WHU game that Roberto had lost the dressing room and every performance since has proven that. Big big question can we win again this season with Roberto in Charge?
I that think after we lose against Man Utd this weekend Roberto will be sacked. 40 shots against 3 cannot be defended by either bad luck, poor referee decisions or under strength team none of those excuses work.
210 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:33:20
211 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:34:29
What's the point going to Wembley, we know the result before we've kicked off, so best thing to do is sack Martinez right now and if that happens we might have a chance, a small one but at least a chance. With this clown, we have no chance.
212 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:34:48
Still reckon he is not fit for the job though.
Stones subbing and explanation was a bit bizarre. Reckon the manager covered for him and the young man just bottled it.
213 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:35:51
214 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:37:37
215 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:37:56
Chris G, I thought, for the first time, he was surprisingly honest in his interview. He said we were an embarrassment and we were.
Thank god I'll be working on Saturday so I won't have to watch another mauling.
216 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:38:40
I'm 53 and can't remember feeling so low as an Evertonian. I think it's the thought that things can only get worse from here on in. The most worrying part is even without Martinez the players seem like they would not give a fuck.
So much for the best squad since the '80s... don't make laugh. Not one of these overpaid shithouses would get in any of those '80s sides... not one.
217 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:39:03
Only consolation is that it will all be over very soon.
218 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:40:25
No defender on the bench in a derby. I picked up on that and totally agree.
"What a manager" that's not fit to manage.
219 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:40:59
Get rid of a totally clueless manager. He is the main reason we're broken.
We have striker who doesn't want to be here. Sit him down for the rest of the season.
Let every player in a blue shirt know that they are playing for their jobs. Do a complete reassessment at seasons end, and move the deadwood out.
But most of all, get in a new manager!!!
220 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:42:10
Never been so unaffected by an abject performance against Liverpool. That in itself speaks volumes. Stones is a little boy who was clearly sulking at half-time so pretended he was sick in an attempt to avoid playing. In the end, he just plainly refused. Stomach bug my arse!
221 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:42:48
That worries me.
Get well soon Seamus.
222 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:42:56
223 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:43:28
225 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:44:38
Once your workforce gives up on you one of the parties has to go. I'm not defending him but players like Baines, Mirallas, Lukaku etc....even Ross, are just going through the motions and it must be humiliating for him.
Do the correct thing Roberto and go. BK will pay you every last penny but go before you are sacked. Then the next manager can sort out the men from the boys in this team.
227 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:45:26
Apart from Robles only Lennon came out with any credit, Lukaku was dire losing every header and generally a liability, a leader he is not at least we were licked by 'lord forgive me' a far superior outfit with a manager of real passion and will to win, which instills his team to follow suit, someone EFC now needs to put the pride back in the Blue shirt, and hearts of our wonderful wonderful fans.
228 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:45:57
Good managers can make players better, and can create a team that gels. Martinez needs to be fired tonight.
229 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:46:01
As for Saturday, Man United must be laughing their heads off seeing Everton's casualty list and Funes Mori suspended on the back of a thumping against the old foe.
230 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:46:05
Although as Paul #206 says, if we appeal the red for Funes Mori the FA won't have enough time to deal with it and he could be free to play on Saturday evening.
231 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:46:59
Well dislike the manager or not they are a complete disgrace and should be ashamed to pick up a wage.
Lacking talent is one thing but lacking heart is totally unforgivable.
232 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:47:02
233 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:48:06
Don't get me wrong. It can't be nice being put on the spot like that, but he completely avoided answering both the questions. Although, honesty at that point may have been expecting too much.
As I said, now the reporters smell blood, he's in for a rough time.
234 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:48:13
So, where do we go from here? Well, Martinez's apologists have finally realised the obvious, so we are at least united. 'Believing in Bobby' and 'backing him to the hilt' have been replaced, finally, by more rational appraisals. He has to go.
The question now is whether that decision will be too late to retain the positives that took so long to build. The greatest positive is the squad, which we all suspect has the potential for greatness within it. But by bottling the decision last January, have we lost our chance to keep our team's young backbone: Lukaku, Stones and Barkley? The unknown element in that equation perhaps our only thin hope is Moshiri; how will he manage this?
God knows it's a mess, and one that could have been avoided by strong action last year. I just hope for a miracle in the Cup to give us something to rally around, followed by the kind of prompt, sound, uncompromising leadership from the Club that has been missing for two-years.
235 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:48:43
Everton, the club, IS broken; from the top down.
236 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:48:47
Who ever comes in has got a big big job on his hands it has to be a Moyes-type manager tonight was dreadful but lets hope at last the penny has dropped we've seen through the hype.
RM is in a hole of his own making with his claptrap, parting shot: I think he will play Howard in the semi
237 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:49:45
238 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:49:58
Is it possible that BK is trying to save money at Everton and the fans expense. He has made some clearly shocking statements concerning Roberto s abilities recently.
Only time will tell!
239 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:50:28
He will take us further down the road to oblivion if he's still in his job next season. I predicted relegation on his appointment and was laughed at by posters at the time (now most have disappeared) sadly the reality has now dawned.
On a positive note Moshiri hasn't invested in our club for his pension, he will get rid of Martinez, just a question of when. Thank God Bill did the Moshiri deal. Without it we really would be fooked.
240 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:51:55
241 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:52:39
242 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:52:42
243 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:53:00
Not sure Kenwright would do it. He'd say it's not the Everton way.
244 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:53:08
How can the fans be blamed for that shambles? IDIOT!
Fans have paid money tonight to watch that shite don't insult their intelligence... Roberto does that already.
245 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:53:22
246 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:53:59
He gave it a go tonight but you can't just turn it on for certain games you need to gain momentum. This is Martinez the manager. Unable to get that and that's why we are where we are now.
He needs to go if we are to progress no matter if we win on Saturday or, as mad as it sounds, won the Cup.
247 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:54:26
248 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:54:27
AND TAKE BK WITH YOU
I've watched countless games down the years in which EFC have been comprehensively beaten, but I have never ever witnessed such a gutless, spineless display as this. And you Bobby, you stand on the touchline, arms folded looking like you don't give a fuck.
Do all us Evertonians a huge favour and get lost. BK and MOSHIRI where do you both stand on this issue?
One of you, or preferably both of you come out with something that is meaningful to us fans. Surely Moshiri, you haven't invested all that money into a club unless you have a plan.
Anytime you feel that is good to divulge info to us is good. Sooner rather than later though eh?
249 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:54:30
This will be his last job in the EPL, probably the UK, so he will look after number 1. He will need to be pushed.
251 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:54:48
Let's face it even before Martinez arrived to make things worse they have never been able to break the shackles of being known as big game bottlers.
Waste of space the lot of them, they'll never win a trophy and never ever rarely win a game we don't expect.
252 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:55:44
I hate to reiterate myself but but phase one is complete. Nothing ever changes on the big occasions for us so only expect a third defeat this season to a poor Manchester United side on Saturday.
253 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:55:58
He must be fired ASAP.
254 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:56:57
255 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:57:12
256 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:57:14
Barkley asked to go off because he wanted to go for a maccies. Humiliated and Embarrassed.
257 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:57:15
If we represent our emotional weaknesses
..then maybe we just boo-hoo and support Leicester for 10 mins
55 years. Seen shite teams
Not shit fans though.
Enough. Saturday is close.
258 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:57:32
259 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:57:50
First time I've seen him animated. He knows he's at the pinnacle of his trade.
Bit unfair for him to be shouting the odds at this game when he would have gained more respect doing it about 18 months ago at Hull away and countless times until tonight.
Jones. Not worthy of a wage from EFC.
260 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:58:18
You're not really a blue are you?
If you are then shame on you for those comments.
261 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:58:37
262 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:59:03
Or maybe we're in denial. But for God's sake, they had months to decide when to rearrange the Derby game. They waited and waited until we had an important game and lo and behold they organise the Derby 3 days before a semi in which we have the best chance in winning a cup since 1995.
Call me a conspiracy theorist or whatever, but I have plenty more than that and so do the rest of us when we have a good think about it.
The only time this will all change is when we scream and shout when a throw in or any decision isn't given our way (like the scum across the park), when we start challenging referees decisions or simply having a home crowd that actually make a difference.
Let's start by at least replacing the manager to give us all some hope. The rest will follow.
263 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:59:20
There's a type of serenity that sets in when things get this bad and anything at all we achieve now this season is a bonus. Always darkest before the dawn etc. BUT we must act decisively for next season and in time for a new manager to plan and make a difference bearing in mind the Euros; that means RM must go after the semi-final regardless (I assume he won't go before).
264 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:59:21
Out. Out. Out.
265 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:59:42
Some standards have to apply at SOME point surely? He has to be dismissed tonight.
Its gone beyond any useful purpose. It's beyond rescue. He's so far out of his depth, so far away from knowing what it takes to be successful at this level he has no chance. The players know it. We know it. What can possibly be the purpose of keeping him on?
266 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:00:18
267 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:00:21
268 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:00:25
The only Brightside of tonight's horror show is that his time is finally up. We are so so lucky that we're not being regulated this season.
With the talent that this squad is got, it's hard to believe what this man had got us in such a state. It's a great idea to appeal the red card so Funes Mori is available for Saturday.
269 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:00:58
Martinez won't even reach that glass ceiling again.
270 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:01:05
Moshiri calls the shots now. Bill lived up to his promise and found us a billionaire.
Over to you Moshiri...
271 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:02:02
And take that bunch of Wigan rubbish with you.
272 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:02:23
273 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:02:35
Wigan cup win spot on. Their first goal involved fouling and the other two were pure Phil Neville.
Something else was going on then that day because us not scoring against Wigan at home was weird. I have always suspected the players knew Moyes was going around then.
274 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:02:52
I'd have Moyes back in a heart beat. May not be met with much here, but he's organized.
Moyes didnt have money to spend and he turned us into a team. His hands were tied with Bill and the board financially. He's a quality coach and he's exactly what we need right now.
275 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:03:27
Can't defend, keep a lead,No plan of attack or outlet when we have the ball. Any Everton player in an offensive position with the ball, and not a supporting player within 20 yards, Lukaku isolated.
We could all go on and on, the worst derby performance in my lifetime, adios El Bob!!
276 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:03:35
Then I think of Peter Reid or Roy Keane in the tune before ANY match let alone the Merseyside derby, it would be eyes forward fury, fire and focus, psyching the other team out maybe by some aggro or verbals in the tunnel but this 'We're all superstar mates' lark is bollocks and it augured badly.
277 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:03:43
Quite possibly a nice bloke but totally in thrall to Martinez, as is Jones, whose experience at Bridlington is bang on requirement at this level. It's enough to demand the return of Steve Round.
280 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:04:19
282 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:04:52
I totally agree.
283 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:05:24
If Everton gave full debuts to promising Under-21s, they would have gained valuable experience with nothing to lose. Tonight's game was a disaster with a full strength team that Everton fans called for. So the majority were wrong.
284 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:05:39
I just can't believe how far we have fallen, how low moral is and how clueless we look as a team and as individuals.
No one bar Robles can take any credit from the game, and even he should have cleared the ball for the first goal.
Martinez seems to have destroyed the team from top to bottom. The defence can't defend and now the attack can't score.
Bobby seems to have killed Coleman, Baines, Del Boy, Ross, Howard, Miralas and Stones all within the past year or so.
Now it seems he's totally lost everyone, fans and players alike. No one can claim to have gone out on a limb for Roberto tonight, no one looked up for it.
Lennon, Rom, Barry and Mccarthy, players most would describe as Bobbys men looked as disinterested as any other player.
We have a board in place for times like this, there job is to over see the manager, it's time for them to step up.(albeit later than would have been expected).
The problem is though, the board are as spineless as the team, and they won't react in time.
I'm not saying this is the answer, but Undsworth and Duncan could maybe throw there hands in to gee the boys up for a stress free cup run, before passing the team back over to a more suitable manager for next season. If that's not viable, then maybe Kevin Sheedy, Joe Royal or even David Moyes, anyone has a better chance than Roberto atm.
A change must come.
285 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:05:47
Guess I'm totally naive but I never thought we'd sink this low. Remember the day folks... the day EFC finally lost any remaining dignity we had!! Really don't want to go to Wembley now, not sure I could face another humiliation...
286 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:06:07
287 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:07:02
Only Robles can hold his head high after that shit show.
Lucky to have a ticket for Saturday but dreading the score if clown Martinez hasn't fallen on his sword before then.
288 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:07:09
Now, tonight you're saying Lukaku is going through the motions... So what's it to be, Colin? Me personally, I've never seen four players go as far backwards in my life. I 'd sell the four of them tomorrow without a second thought.. and one or two others as well.
If we had another striker on the books, I'd bench that big-headed cunt Lukaku on Saturday and the rest of the season because it's obvious he doesn't want to play for us. That'd give the overrated big-headed twat the shock of his life and make me one happy bunny. Unfortunately, it's not going to happen.
I've got my ticket and transport for Saturday but really I don't want to go and watch us huff and puff and create zilch. Manchester United will roll us over comfortably and anyone who disagrees with that needs their marbles feeling.
289 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:07:37
Going beddy byes now but my one hope is that when I get up I will see a headline somewhere, anywhere that this joker has finally been given the bullet.
290 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:08:20
The performances prove it.
291 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:08:22
292 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:08:43
Time and a place for everything, lads. He has to take the FA Cup Semi the turnaround time is way too short. After that, all options are open, including, if the right candidate was available, sacking him before the final.
293 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:08:51
If he's still our manager on Saturday, I think spare tickets will all of a sudden be everywhere, because only if he's gone, do Everton stand any chance of beating Man Utd.
I'm glad I stayed at home tonight, because that was the most spineless display I have ever ever witnessed; what else can you expect when the players have obviously stopped playing for the manager.
I know they should have more personal pride, but it just might just be down to a lack of "know-how". You can't turn performance 's on like a tap, especially when you haven't been really trying for over a month.
They have cheated the fans, and they have cheated themselves, and it's come back to really haunt us all tonight. Let's hope the only positive thing to come out of this is the removal of the manager, which is the only way everyone can be united, to beat Man United this Saturday night.
294 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:09:34
Meanwhile, the Everton Directors continue to sit uncomfortably on their hands. I don't really want Martinez anywhere near Wembley on Saturday win lose or draw.
295 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:09:56
The price on our so called stars plummets by the day... I wouldn't give a flying fuck if we sold em all. Well over-rated in my opinion... Should be fucking ashamed of themselves... Gutless Bastards.
296 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:10:40
Failing that, the club has adopted the new motto while Martinez remains in charge:
Nulla generis, nulla superbia, nullus sensus
297 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:11:12
Will it be how do I beat Man Utd on Saturday, or how do I maximise my compensation, or something else?
I know where my money is.
298 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:11:59
299 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:12:57
Ill discipline, which is usually the final nail in the coffin of unrest, has become manifest. I make that the 4th time in 2 months we've had a man sent off: Funes Mori, Barry, Mirallas, McCarthy. We cannot really argue about any of them.
We've got injuries, ill discipline, poor tactics and demotivated players all over the park.
I say sack him now and bring in Joe Royle to oversee the side with the proper Everton fans in the backroom staff. At least people will know we did our best. Or just bung Moyes some cash to take over for Saturday. I'd do anything but have Martinez in charge now. Who knows? One chaotic, unpredictable effort could beat United. But with Martinez at the helm we are utterly done for.
The board have messed this up because Martinez should have gone after Stoke or West Ham. At least then we might have rescued the season. Look at our horrible neighbours...
300 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:13:14
We should never field a weakened team in a derby. Full stop. Professional players should be able to play 2 games on a Wednesday followed by a Saturday. It's just nonsense to say they can't. How many games do the real top players miss? Messi, Ronaldo etc?
There are too many people trying to be too clever in football nowadays, blinding everyone with bollocks about rest, sports science etc.
Yes, we need to go along with some of that, but I don't see Klopp complaining that they have Europa league games and that their players aware tired.
301 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:13:27
Shambolic. Sickening. Shite.
When the opposition manager and players are openly laughing and joking amongst themselves, slap bang in the middle of a fucking merseyside derby, and riotously egging on a scruffy, scurrying, gypo faced, goal shy grafter like Lucas to try and get his name on the score sheet....like it's a casual kick-about in the park and one big lark...then you've basically just been bent over and made to "squeal like a pig" whilst a mongoloid mountain man pummels your arse. On live tv as well. Without even putting up a modicum of resistance.
Honestly, I don't think i've ever seen an Everton team roll over and submit so easily. Simply painful to watch.
302 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:13:30
If a player like Bainsey can't be arsed putting in a shift in a derby then who can? At least Ross looked like he wanted to cry when he came off but Bainsey was like, "fuck this prick, he'll be sacked in the morning". Roberto has well and truly lst this team and that shows in the effort, or lack of, by the local lads.
On a personal level, I feel sorry for Martinez. I think he is a well intentioned and proud man so it must be Embarrasing to be totally found out in front of millions watching that shambles. End of the project Roberto, time to move on.
303 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:13:37
I have been an Everton fan for 59 years. My late father played for the blues in the thirties. I'm ashamed to say it but that was one of the most shameful performances I have ever seen in all my years as a blue.
If this so-called new regime don't make radical changes from top to bottom and very soon they will be displaying absolute absence of responsibility as business men as well as custodians of our wonderful club. Ignore the fans at your peril.
304 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:14:13
Anybody else think that Stones just cracked under the pressure after his error for the third goal, and asked to be taken off? He didn't look injured and with Funes Mori gone, and no defenders on the bench, it's hard to see how the decision was taken so quickly to get him off the pitch.
305 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:14:30
That lad hasn't got it in him though, I don't give a stuff what Rio Dope-inand says, Stones is a liability.
306 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:14:43
307 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:15:28
I like many of you will be amongst the 32,000 at Wembley on Saturday. We deserve better. I will, however, put aside my anger and drink and sing myself hoarse. Let's get behind the shirt and at least give ourselves the best possible chance of some salvation. Bournemouth at home may be different!
308 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:19:04
309 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:19:15
Looks like they listened, doesn't it. My god that has to be the biggest load of drivel I've ever read on here.
310 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:20:33
311 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:21:18
Worst manager we have ever had, no question. Mike Walker had mediocre players and no money. This idiot inherited a Top 6/7/8 side and has been heavily backed with cash.
312 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:21:35
Look at the Moyes era; 44 away games in 11 years at Man U, Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea, and not one win. Three years into the Martinez era, and we've still had just that one first win at Old Trafford (more to do with the ill-fated Moyes then being our opponent). But now we can't beat Man City, either. We seem to be resigned to it at all levels; from the board, down through the manager, the team, and now the fans.
It's almost as though there's been a persistent strategy that goes something like “Let's not kid ourselves; there are certain teams we simply can't beat, so just hang on for a minimal loss, and see if we can nick a draw.â€ If it started with Moyes, it's getting worse under Martinez, and spreading to our home games.
Getting rid of Martinez is only a small component of the solution to this problem. The much bigger component is the appointment of a successor who will show a credible willingness to believe that every single game is winnable, no matter who the opponents. That's now the difference between Leicester City and Everton; and who saw that coming?
I'm not sure who'd fit the bill for us here; it's always a question of who's available at the time, and I don't even know when the time will be. Something tells me that Martinez will be here until the end of the season at least, possibly even beyond.
The last 10-12 years have been the most frustrating of all my 50 years as an Everton fan. Alas, I can't see it ending any time soon...
314 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:23:29
Crystal Palace home: evenin ruined
Norwich away: saturday ruined
Stoke home: night ruined
Chelsea away: ruined weekend
West Ham home: had enough. Few hours miffed.
Last few weeks: burnt out.
Tonight: quiet incredulous resignation. Not even upset.
49 year old Toffee. Never seen owt like this.
Sack him tonight and return to the Everton way.
315 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:23:51
My other point is about the fitness of our players - it is a disgrace. Barkley and Lukaku play every week, and neither of them is fit. They are overweight and can't run. That is disgraceful.
They are supported by players who cannot last 90 minutes. Did you see Pienaar doubled over after he ran back into defence? He'd only been on the pitch 10 minutes! If he's that unfit, he should have brought on Deulofeu...who also struggles to play more than an hour? Or maybe Niasse? Who won't be ready until next season? Or Osman? Whose legs have gone?
It's beyond a joke. How many players have had hamstring injuries? The players aren't fit. It doesn't matter who is in charge between now and the end of the season, the rot has set in.
For the lack of organisation, fitness and game management issues, it's time to go for the manager. But it won't make any difference on Saturday. United will batter us on that big pitch. We'll have Barkley and Lukaku going through the motions up front, supported by a load of half fit players behind them. It's a disgrace.
316 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:24:23
Those of us who feared the worst, that we would suffer further injuries and suspensions as well as take an almighty hammering have been proved right. It will now need a miracle for us to get through the semi.
317 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:24:29
I actually thought Robles does come out with some credit. Put a decent shift in and made some really good saves to keep the score below cricket numbers.
318 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:24:30
319 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:24:34
My guess is that other than the marginal players he's signed, the proper pro's in the squad wanted rid of Martinez last year at the latest.
And as for those saying we should have just put a derby on the back burner in favour of whatever comes to pass on Saturday, well, just give your head a shake. We are not a second rate club.
320 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:24:46
Comparing their players to ours, right now, tonight, is a little too much to take, in fact any mention of them and theirs will be too much for me at least until next season. Compare other teams players from anywhere in the world but please try and avoid mention of what they are doing and who is doing it for them until a little later in the week if at all.
322 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:28:02
Roberto has to go, he's killed us and if he's incharge next season I simply can not watch, he ruins my day every time we play, he's already ruined my weekend before it happens.
323 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:29:18
Now I don't mind getting a bit of stick but calling Everton FC bush league which I think is a massive lack of professional respect and is bang out of order.
324 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:30:08
325 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:30:13
326 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:30:16
Yet, Everton fans were calling for a full strength team with 3 days to go before the biggest game so far this season with nothing else to play for. Yes, having a full strength team (which at best is average) was fool hardy.
327 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:32:15
Never mind the Nice Guy Roberto shit please. He is a clueless, cowardly, despicable man who ran off down the tunnel without any acknowledgement at all of the away fans after he is the person solely responsible for all of the despondency summarised above on the miserly sum of £3M/year.
I'm not sure if sympathy is a quantifiable currency but if it is please save it for us and not that despicable selfish twat. And yes, I'm getting personal.
328 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:33:18
329 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:33:27
However, I now believe the exact opposite - that with a staggeringly depleted squad and players and supporters utterly despondent (and there being just under three days til kick-off) it now seems the only chance we have of a result is by giving everyone the 'vitamin B12 shot' of hearing 'With an FA Cup semi-final just two days, Everton have relieved manager...' etc.
If it doesn't happen (and it won't), take a grand, stick it on them to qualify, win yourself £600+, book yourself a nice week in France in June and give yourself something to look forward to.
Clutching at straws?
(anyone suggest anything else to clutch, more than happy to give it a go)
330 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:33:28
Carragher could see the formation was a shambles, and that was when we had 11 players on the pitch, and he's only a pundit. How could you let him pick another team for Saturday's cup semi-final?
He had no defender on the bench, (none on the field either) but had 5 midfielders. Oviedo and Baines were SHOCKING, and what we saw of Pienaar was embarrassing.
Sheedy / Royle should be given charge until the summer.
331 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:33:29
As much as I hate that crowd across the park at least there board took action when they weren't happy with the results. The sooner they go the better,but sadly I think our Mr Moshri is made of the same cloth. How can anybody sit idly by and do nothing, nil satis nisi optimum. My fucking arse.
332 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:33:48
Bet you support the same team who's fans cry at every chance you get to anyone who will listen, about how the mancs etc show no respect to your own dead.
Typical red shite, ashamed of nothing, embarrassed by everything.
333 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:35:27
334 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:36:41
Not entirely sure over Stones mate, but a proper manager protects his young stars, Roberto hasn't done that with Stones, he's allowed him to be ribbon in the press and allowed Stones to become a shadow of himself.
335 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:36:45
The RS singing "Bobby Martinez".
Is this the first Everton manager they have chanted for?
After Funes Mori went off Martinez was giving instructions to Baines and you could clearly see Bainsey rolling his eyes as if to say what are you on about.
This will be the first semi final I have missed in 56 years of following the blues but I just cant face going while this clown is in charge.
The apathy is killing me.
336 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:38:28
Totally agree. Fitness shocking.
I have wanted to see a Pienaar cameo thinking he may still have something to offer but after tonight I realise he's not fit. No wonder Hibbert wasn't considered.
It's the basics of football to have fitness and we don't have it. Don't get me started on formations, tactics, set pieces.
Defining moment Saturday then.
337 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:39:20
Today's result was what we all feared but hoped for something better and I guess on the evidence of this dreadful season as a whole we may have been stupidly optimistic.
I believe it may have been ironic but justified if Martinez was canned after this game much like Brenda was for the earlier derby match.
The cup run has been his saving grace but should not camouflage his total inability to make something of this squad and quite frankly he should not be running this team at Wembley.
338 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:41:00
Two huge points, I heard and seen both and thought the exact same thing.
A man like Baines is a true pro, he was clearly listening to Martinez because he had to, the rolling of his eyes told us everything we need to know.
The chants from the red shite clearly show what they see in Roberto, a total clown.
I have 4 tickets for the semi final, one for me an me dad and one each for my 7 and 10 year old season ticket holding sons.
What a miserable trip we are in for.
339 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:41:50
Is it not simple to everyone else that they are collectively not wanting to put a shift in as they clearly want Martinez out just as much as we do. To me, it is obvious the players have given their all and been model professionals for 3 years but they have now had enough in the same we have and, falling short of a mutiny, the only way they can show they want him out is by not putting any effort in.
I believe we do still have the best squad since the '80s but that will only be evident when we have a quality Manager in place that has a proven formula to win things. Take Pochetino for example, he has taken over a team that had a squad of bang average players, but such is the way Pochetino plays and has them structured, they are almost as big a surprise in challenging for the title as Leicester.
Trust me, guys, we definitely have the best squad since the '80s, we just need a genuine Manager to polish them into a team.
340 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:44:00
What do you think of suspending Roberto and asking Moyes to step in to the end of the season for a ٟM salary and asking for a report on the fitness and aptitude of the team after the 38th game.
Then we could talk to Roberto if he wants to resign because of Moyes then we don't have to pay him if Moyes says players are totally unfit and don't want to play for Roberto and have no notion of the positions he want them to play in then once again we could reduce his severance pay based on Moyes report.
341 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:45:28
Martinez should either resign or be sacked. To allow this fool to ruin a rare chance of a trophy, is insane.
The players might just react positively to Unsworth/Dunc taking over till the end of the season. Let us rid ourselves of this accursed manager, and hope that the change will inspire the squad to beat the Mancs and claim a place in the Final.
342 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:45:57
Has he lost the dressing room? I think he has. The look on Leighton Baines's face when Martinez was giving him instructions after the sending off spoke volumes. It was like. "Yeah, yeah, we've heard it all before, and just how is it going to get us back in the game?" He looked even more pissed off with Martinez after the third goal when he issued more touchline wisdom.
It was perfectly summed up by Jamie Carragher after the mat h when he said we just continued to play the Martinez way even after losing a player and then going three behind, as if they had no other options, no way of reacting to the situation because they just don't have the proper leadership.
I won't be watching on Saturday, I just can't bear any more heartbreak at the hands of this idiot who has no idea how to manage a Premier League club and who should be sacked before the semi final. I have a feeling if he was, the players would celebrate with a superb free flowing match winning game at Wembley, or at least give it their best shot. With Martinez leading us out at Wembley we're on a hiding to nothing.
343 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:46:12
344 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:46:18
345 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:46:52
It's time to hand out the P45s and I truly hope Duncan Ferguson's will be given to him too. For somebody who is apparently so passionate, I never seen sight or sound of him in our hour of need. For those of you who think he is the answer to replace Martinez stop kidding yourself.
The players were gutless and an embarrassment tonight. If you can't raise your game for a derby match, god help us on Saturday. Shit houses the lot of them.
We were as bad as Aston Villa tonight; it is high time that we started to show some real ambition in terms of recruiting a new manager.
Please Moshiri. No Moyes, Ferguson or Benitez... break the bank and get us a top manager who will give us some pride back. If some of the players don't want to stay, then tell them to fuck off, cash in and give the new guy a war chest to rebuild.
I have already renewed for next season and will be there no matter what... but please, no more of this shit as it hurts too fucking much.
I really hope all of these gutless bastards put on show for us on Saturday, we fucking deserve it. We made the RS look like Barcelona tonight FFS!!!
Good night folks, off to bed to cry into my pillow.
346 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:47:10
It must be Graeme Jones, who the fuck is he?
347 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:47:15
I'm dreading someone coming on here with the "Oxford moment" comparison that Howard's team let in 5.....
348 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:48:34
Honestly, anybody really confident? I can see the Rashford kid having the time of his life. Hope not, but ???????
349 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:48:43
350 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:49:40
351 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:50:04
352 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:50:50
One thing we do no is Moyes was a stickler for fitness.
Imagine his opinion on Del Boy and Ross lack of fitness.
I'm not sure about reduced severance payments etc, as I'm not sure how that all works, but the club have to act now.
I read somewhere that we were expected to finish top 7 and now finish around 11th, I read that financially that could cost us £10m, that's how much money Roberto has cost us this year alone, plus whatever last season.
That type of financial drop would easily pay off Roberto and pay a top manager to take his place.
Things have become embarrassing, Roberto is clearly not up to the job, Bill Kenwright and his board should be ashamed of themselves for allowing this situation to go on for this long.
353 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:53:10
I had to watch delayed.
FUCKING PATHETIC. FUCKING DISGUSTING. FUCKING EMBARRASSING!!!
A friend, cheeky fucking twat Norwegian, texted me, "are you watching this?"
Knew then I'd be viewing a train wreck but this was FUCKING CATASTROPHIC!!!!
354 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:53:42
I don't care if Coleman and Jagielka were injured going into this game. You don't play the reserves in a derby (or any match for that matter). Play your best team and try to win every game. Even if we'd played the kids tonight, we'd still lose on Saturday for the reasons described above namely lack of fitness, organisation and game management. It wouldn't have achieved anything resting players tonight.
In any case, play the young right back Connolly in defence at Wembley. Could he be worse than Oviedo tonight? We've got other kids who can step up as well, I'm sure. Let's throw them in because one thing is for sure if we play that team again on Saturday we'll get battered again.
355 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:54:56
If he cannot get a team up for a Derby, what is the chance of him getting a team up for a semi final? It's sad to say but this was always going to be a case of how many they would win by given our terrible performances recently. Even in the dark days, we were always up for a Derby.
If the result was reversed and we had given them a proper hiding, would the reds' board accept this? Absolutely not.
When the manager falls below the club's expectations he must go. Look at DM at United and Rodgers, as soon as they each fell below the required standard, they were sacked. What we are currently seeing is not acceptable. We should be a team challenging for Europe at the very least. RM fell short last season and should have been sacked then. This season is totally unacceptable. Poor teams have come to Goodison and got results. The lack of game management at Bournemouth and Chelsea was criminal. This is all down to RM.
He has clearly lost the players. Baines was probably speaking for the majority. There is a problem with Howard. Lukaku is not interested. Compare his attitude to Vardy. Night and day.
We are Villa/Wigan in the making. Get rid now. Tonight, not tomorrow or the end of the season. Now.
I have not yet spoken to a blue who says this clown should stay. The issue is when he goes, now or the end of the season. It has to be now as we are currently an embarrassment. The semi final is a bonus and could be used by Ferguson, Stubbs or Unsworth to find their feet for the last few games of the season and then we review in the summer. If we win great, if not what were we really expecting after tonight?
356 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:55:04
357 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:56:24
I just want to wake up to headlines tommorow "MARTINEZ SACKED".
358 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:57:10
However, at this rate they would lose to them all.
359 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:57:12
I don't think that can happen under Roberto Martinez. I don't think that Kenwright will sack him but he should. It looks to me as though the whole team are flat on the floor.
I'd hope that Joe Royle, with whoever he wants as helpers, be put in charge from now until the end of the season (if he'd do it) and try and put some enjoyment and heart back into the players football, and give the fans something like belief again.
Otherwise, it's going to be a depressing time tioll the end of the season.
Oh yes; and if Kenwright does issue the dismissal notice could he please write his resignation speech as well.
360 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:57:45
In more than half a century of loving Everton, I have never witnessed such a feeble effort and I feel deeply for our fantastic fans having to suffer that. I now know exactly how Villa fans must feel watching such non-performances week-in & week-out!
361 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:58:14
I wonder where this leaves the custodians of the club's business plan now with a new major shareholder scrutinising?
362 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:59:01
Martinez must now be a dead man walking. I would sack him now. Get rid asap, Mr Moshiri.
363 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:59:20
364 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:59:39
Martinez you joker - GO NOW
Bill Kenwrong - what a manger !!! Youve lost it you waste of space
365 Posted 20/04/2016 at 00:00:20
According to some random people on a train Mr. KENWRIGHT is giving Martinez another season because he's just been UNLUCKY.
That's all tonight was as well ay. Get JONAH Martinez out swiftly followed by Evertons saviour BUNGLING BILL.
Rant over. Goodnite
366 Posted 20/04/2016 at 00:00:31
Embarrassing, humiliating and above all, gutless.
You may have the shits, Stones, but doubt you are feeling anywhere near as bad as us Evertonians.
367 Posted 20/04/2016 at 00:02:36
Otherwise we will be miserable forever.
I myself have been numb at every league game in a long time, the last bit of joy I got was v Chelsea in the cup.
I've had my seat since the park end reopened and Martinez and the board are driving me away.
I'm at a stage were I feel I'd be a total twat to buy another season ticket as the blues depress the life out of me.
I could take watching us play shit when we only owned shite, but this is much worse.
368 Posted 20/04/2016 at 00:03:10
I hear from the chiseled faithful Everton will break your heart. I hear from the veterans how Everton will crush you; it's the hope that kills...
I HAVE to have witnessed one of the most EMBARRASSING EVENTS in Everton's history! That was just terrible. I'm mortified and I don't have to go to work surrounded by the c**ts tomorrow.
They fucking chanted Bobby Martinez!!!! Humiliating!
Welcome you say - after nine years I do believe the fucking welcome mat was rolled out, thank you very little!
We are utter shite currently. The ship is sinking. That was AWFUL.
369 Posted 21/04/2016 at 00:04:08
There's room over here on the couch next to me, I'll budge up, you're welcome.
I have been telling you for a long time how this would go, but I don't hold it against you, it was only a matter of time before the realisation actually dawned. Just more painful the longer you delayed it.
370 Posted 21/04/2016 at 00:05:28
371 Posted 21/04/2016 at 00:05:36
A very young player, especially at centre half, playing under a manager & staff that are filling his head with shite.
372 Posted 21/04/2016 at 00:06:22
373 Posted 21/04/2016 at 00:07:07
I THOUGHT EVENTUALLY the results would come around.
You were right. Be assured next time you warn me I most likely won't argue...
FUCK IT. FUCK THEM. I'm off to lope around in an over 40 7 aside, then I'm gonna drink myself to sleep.
374 Posted 21/04/2016 at 00:07:36
American or scouser, if you're blue then you're blue, your opinion is as valid as mine mate.
375 Posted 21/04/2016 at 00:09:02
Worst ever Everton manager, without a doubt. No redeeming qualities, not one. It's all a myth people have talked themselves into.
376 Posted 21/04/2016 at 00:09:13
You know, apart from Galloway, Browning, Hibbert, Holgate, Mattioni.......
377 Posted 20/04/2016 at 00:09:32
Thank heaven, the end of season is not far off, to try and put things right for the next. With a new manager and new team. That's if there is enough money on the table to spend on players, with priority in all positions. Starting with a new goal-keeper who can catch the ball where and whenever the ball is crossed into the box.
378 Posted 21/04/2016 at 00:09:36
379 Posted 21/04/2016 at 00:11:27
380 Posted 21/04/2016 at 00:15:21
Time to close the book on this chapter in EFC history, as the club has in my view forgotten the fans and has betrayed the fans. The farce can't go on, beyond ten 2015 results, we'd be down with the Barcodes. The rot set in at Chrimbo 2013; we never got back, and that was basically a Moyes team.
I'm not embarrassed... just fucking sad that the EFC youth and young fans have to endure such predictable crap.
Saturday, and the final curtain... or not? It's a play beyond recognition. The club and its stature is bleeding to a terrible death. Effort, guts and common sense, and yet the RS have what we once had and have now forgotten.
Despicable, predictable, What's the answer?
381 Posted 21/04/2016 at 00:21:57
Seriously I'm finding somewhere else to go that afternoon.
382 Posted 21/04/2016 at 00:22:21
Did I read that John Stones went off with stomach cramps?
It's a fucking derby. We are playing the evil empire! Stomach cramps??!!!
FIND YOUR COCK!!!
Fuckers I swear to God!!!
383 Posted 21/04/2016 at 00:23:04
It's quite obvious the managers position is untenable, Saturday be damned. The Moshiri regime should view this as a statement of intent. That result stacked on all the other bad results is simply unacceptable for this club, at this level.
I think he was going at the end of the season anyway, but things have spiraled out of control. Martinez must go NOW.
384 Posted 21/04/2016 at 00:24:29
'I didn't see the match, I heard the result in passing. I don't really count games at Anfield, they're meaningless to me to be honest. Looks like we're on the hunt for a top manager now though so thanks for the favour, long term....'
Hmmmm.....might need a bit if work....
385 Posted 21/04/2016 at 00:24:43
386 Posted 20/04/2016 at 00:24:44
387 Posted 21/04/2016 at 00:26:21
"Find your cock" is just about the funniest thing I've seen posted on here.
It's even funnier than Tony J Williams' typo last week that he watched "Fist Dates" with his missus rather than watch us play.
388 Posted 21/04/2016 at 00:26:27
389 Posted 20/04/2016 at 00:26:45
The only positive I'm taking out of last night is that it could be the moment Moshiri (if he hasn't already) realized it's time to get on with appointing a top manager. Left to Kenwright, Martinez might still be here but hopefully Moshiri has already sounded out De Boer for next season.
I too would like to see Ferguson given the managers job until the end of the season.
390 Posted 21/04/2016 at 00:27:04
Stones went off with stomach cramps after suffering a bout of the red shites that will last a lot longer than just tonight.
392 Posted 21/04/2016 at 00:29:36
393 Posted 21/04/2016 at 00:37:27
Players like Lukaku and Barkley are luxury players who do not want to graft and I think Lukaku has just totally given up. Both of these 2 players have been terrible over the last few weeks. It would be nice to see either of them try to win the ball back but both being over weight and unfit certainly prevents that from happening.
As for Baines he is finished and wont be anywhere near the squad for the Euros. If can go on and on, Funes Mori cannot pass the ball to his own team mates and Oviedo is just off the pace totally.
The only players it leaves is Jagielka, Barry and Seamus and it looks like they wont make the weekend. I say give the semi-final to Unsworth who has blue blood and passion and let him play some of the youngsters.
They cannot possibly do any worse than the spineless bunch we have playing at the moment. However much I hate to say it, a good manager like Klopp can turn an average team in to one that looks like they are going places.
394 Posted 21/04/2016 at 00:37:34
This is what Klopp said. How fucking humiliating.
395 Posted 21/04/2016 at 00:37:48
I for one, at nearly fifty years of being alive and having grown up in the seventies am sick to frigging death of supporting the team I do, and feel terrible guilt about passing my unhealthy habit on to my poor unsuspecting children who live 200 miles from Goodison Park.
It's enough to make an agnostic believe that there IS a god he just happens to be a red, the bastard!!!
396 Posted 21/04/2016 at 00:40:05
Mr Moshiri please don't listen to luvvy, pull the plug NOW!!!!
397 Posted 21/04/2016 at 00:40:32
If, it was our fault, then don't you think a full strength team could show a bit more fight than that?
Sturridge was interviewed after the match and said tonight was the result of 'hard work and planning on the training ground' saying this 'gives them the confidence to play like they're doing now.' So if you can put 2 and 2 together, that means, their manager trains and prepares his players in the right way, to inspire confidence and the will to win our manager sends a team out (full strength or reserves) and stands gawping from the touch line for 90 mins in a trance while we get ripped to pieces.
The fans don't pick the team, which is a pity really, as they wouldn't be allowed to play as shite as they are doing.
398 Posted 21/04/2016 at 00:41:25
399 Posted 21/04/2016 at 00:41:25
With regards to Funes Mori did he do it on purpose? For the good of the club? Pointing at the badge? Makes me wonder.
Stones, a young athlete going off with "stomach cramps", really? Or did he just come off in protest to Martinez? Possible revolt in the ranks?
Plenty of question marks I know. I'm sensing the players have had an absolute fuckin gutsful and this is their way of showing it.
If you think I'm talking bollox by all means tear in to me all you want. Tonight was a performance backed up with two years of SHITE and Martinez should be gone by the morning.
400 Posted 21/04/2016 at 00:43:37
We can state our opinions on whatever we chose, but we affect nothing.
Roberto sorts the teams, Bill sorts the manager, we piss and moan, and the world carries on regardless.
401 Posted 21/04/2016 at 00:44:52
I'd do that all day.
402 Posted 21/04/2016 at 00:45:38
After a honeymoon period, it has been painfully obvious for quite some time that he is not the man to halt the decline he has caused in our team, our club. Tonight encapsulated the depths to which he has taken us.
If he has an ounce of decency, he should resign tomorrow. If he doesn't, he should be sacked by Friday.
403 Posted 21/04/2016 at 00:46:19
Fact is were fucked with Roberto in charge, if it doesn't change before the weekend we have no chance of winning the semi. If Roberto is still in charge next season we will be in a relegation dog fight.
404 Posted 21/04/2016 at 00:50:22
He's the owner of Liverpool by the way and Martinez, ably abetted by the most disgusting performance I've seen in what feels like a lifetime, has created the situation where something that matters a great deal to me can be trolled like we are scum. That's what Martinez has done to this club, that's what certain players have contributed too.
The shame alone should have seen him sacked tonight.
405 Posted 21/04/2016 at 00:52:36
I get the feeling that Roberto did what he thought would be best for his own well being or to save his own skin tonight and it back-fired spectacularly. The players are fully aware of what to expect at Anfield and know that red-cards are almost inevitable for an Everton player in this particular fixture as are injuries. It was probably why Catterick did what he did fifty years ago, as Leeds and Everton was a similar hot-blooded encounter.
Of course the local derby is important but tonight has done untold damage to our chances on Saturday as slim as they were anyway. Had we needed to win at the other place to enhance our chances of gaining points for a European challenge or to avoid the drop, playing a full-strength team would have been obvious, but with nothing riding on it apart from local pride it does in hindsight seem a little silly to have risked so many players and has left us all bereft of any pride, local or otherwise.
406 Posted 20/04/2016 at 00:54:06
My opining lethargy was initially vein-injected by the presbyterian, sycophantic-yet-turgid actions of the Scottish kittie-whipper (Moyes). Closely followed by the "Yes Man" (what a film) whatever-happens-I-say "Yes to my philosophy" new manager (no introduction needed) as his philanthropic dream soured into the Devil's own salty scaly pecker's worth of mephitic penis paste in front of us.
However...back to my/Martins point - What a chairman indeed! Don't get me wrong.....I love a trier.....but results ARE the Guru. I have no sense of Schadenfreude about this... but please, please, please Bill, retire softly into the Salzburg Mountains with Roberto & duet on "Climb every Mountain" till you're kecks are full of Weissbier. Meanwhile the rest of us (led by our esteemed new owner one hopes) can all get on with sorting out our football club.
See you all in 4 years time!
407 Posted 21/04/2016 at 00:59:21
Let's face it, we have no chance on Saturday. If we can have Big Dunc and Unsie leading us out, we have a slim chance but a slim chance is better than no chance. This is not a knee jerk reaction to last night's result the fitness and organisation, as well as the game management, are all a joke and have been for a while. At least if we let Roberto go now, it will restore some pride and hope before the journey to Wembley. Please God!
408 Posted 21/04/2016 at 01:03:30
WHAT A CHAIRMAN
409 Posted 21/04/2016 at 01:04:35
410 Posted 21/04/2016 at 01:05:53
That said, Liverpool fans were making the same sort of outlandish claims for their squad when Brenda was their boss.
The good news for them, and hopefully for us if Mr Moshiri takes full control NOW, is that any competent manager (their previous career is the clue Bill) can transform a modestly talented squad into proper professional footballers in only six fucking months.
Just imagine what we might achieve if Mr Moshiri and those he can rely on (which obviously excludes anyone at the club when he bought in) find a manager NOW that's better than competent.
411 Posted 21/04/2016 at 01:06:10
412 Posted 21/04/2016 at 01:09:44
Who knows what would have happened if we played a full strength team in that/those games, maybe we would have won the cup in 1966 10-0 instead of coming back to win 3-2 from 2-0 down!
The truth is Martinez is out of his depth, was never qualified for the Everton job, like Moyes before him, and should never have been given the job.
The Board is 100% to blame for this shambles that is our beloved club.
413 Posted 21/04/2016 at 01:12:25
Job done mate, lets hope he listens.
414 Posted 21/04/2016 at 01:15:09
415 Posted 21/04/2016 at 01:18:58
This game turned into a watershed moment for RM and hopefully for BK. RM put these players out and said I believe in you so go and win this. The test was whether the players believed in him. Some players, who are true proven professionals (Barry and Baines, and Lennon) can always be counted on to try for their own honor if nothing else. Robles and Funes Mori stepped up as professionals (Yes, I know Funes Mori committed what I thought was a yellow not a red).
The rest of the players (not sure about Lukaku as he looked good the first 25 minutes or so but then got nothing played to him the second half) didn't look much bothered. So what is crystal clear is that the rest of the team, including RM acquisitions clearly do not follow the manager. They failed to play for him. This should be the last straw and clear indicator that RM has no home here. Stones wanting off couldn't be a clearer indication than if he had grabbed a mic and used the PA system. The question is are BK and the new owner listening?
416 Posted 21/04/2016 at 01:36:20
The malaise in our camp is down to two very arrogant and stupid men: Kenwright and Martinez. 'What a manager' is now an albatross hanging around the former's neck, and only by sacking the latter, will he regain any respect in the eyes of Evertonians
417 Posted 21/04/2016 at 01:37:30
418 Posted 21/04/2016 at 01:39:39
Right now I personally could not give a toss about the FA Cup. It's clear that by any intelligently-gauged yardstick we are far, far from good enough, and even an FA Cup win will not smooth over that fact.
I for one am sick to death of being bent over and shafted by that lot. It may well be a local phenomenon but there we are. What a dreadful dreadful night.
419 Posted 21/04/2016 at 01:42:58
I take my hat of to the Blues fans who stayed for 97 minutes, having OlÃ© rammed down their ears.
420 Posted 21/04/2016 at 01:43:18
Not hindsight, but he was never the right appointment.
421 Posted 21/04/2016 at 01:45:36
Never mind the manager's totally inept tactics and team formation that was a disgraceful effort from professional players who should all give their outrageous weekly wages to charity asap!!
Robles was the only one to come out with any credit and he undoubtedly kept the score down. In fact I regard 4-0 as somewhat of a success because if I was a kopite I'd be well pissed off that they squandered a chance to win 10-0. Their finishing was awful!!
I just can't see another win this season. It is a total disgrace that those players are getting 40, 50, 60+ thousand pounds a week and a crime that RM is on ١m a year for that utter shite!!
I've never been so disgusted as a blue but I have to say I also feel numb and nowhere near as angry and upset as I should (and have been in every other derby defeat). I fully expected a poor defeat and was resigned to it, as I am to Saturday but it just shouldn't be like this!!
It was just far worse than expected this time and there is only one solution... a new manager and a wholesale clear out of players who think that they are better than they actually are!!
422 Posted 21/04/2016 at 01:53:45
As for the players I would be tempted to tell most of them to go on holiday until August and give the youngsters an opportunity to stake their claim for first team places and who knows a chance to win the FA Cup, most of our senior players don't deserve to have that opportunity after tonight's gutless and insipid performance.
423 Posted 21/04/2016 at 01:56:13
Martinez lost this team weeks ago, they (the players) sacked him tonight, he can not motivate them in any shape or form, and hasn't done so for months.
Whether he gets the push tonight or not, there is no way he can be allowed to pick or manage the team on Saturday, he should be told to take a break while his future is sorted out.
His back room staff should also be told to take a break as well, senior players should have the nous to sort out the team selection and let David Unsworth try and sort out some plan for the defence, none of us can now expect the team to win on Saturday, but we can and will expect some pride and fight in the team.
All of us who go on Saturday will get behind the team and all we can do do is hope for the best. I can not stomach Martinez now but I despise that bastard Kenwright with a vengeance, he has put my club in this position and just sits and does nothing, he makes me sick and yet plenty of fans still think "He is one of us" he never could be one of us.
424 Posted 21/04/2016 at 02:00:13
425 Posted 21/04/2016 at 02:21:55
P6 - W0 - D3 - L3 - F2 - A9
...including the most gutless performance in a Merseyside Derby in living memory.
Lukaku's record since scoring a worldie and telling the world he's ready for Champions League football:
Blank Blank Blank Blank DNP Blank
Amount of fight and hunger shown by our team since booking a place at Wembley:
Either we're saving up an hell of a lot of desire and brilliance for Saturday, or the whole lot of them can do one as far as I'm concerned.
Utterly gutless, clueless and pathetic.
426 Posted 21/04/2016 at 02:24:27
Our last remaining centre half went off in a derby because he felt sick. Pathetic. I'd like to say you would have to drag me off but that's the culture at the club right now. The players don't care, and that has been excused by the manager all season.
I expected us to get battered. There wasn't even a lingering doubt or hope for me. When tested, this current team folds. And they had injury excuses from the start and a bigger game ahead. Once the red was given they had the perfect scenario to stand themselves down and took it gleefully.
The only surprise for me is that Roberto's still there. I guess we have to wait for the morning to see what the club will do. I wouldn't have lasted this long in making my decision.
A change in management might give me some hope for Saturday, but right now I fully expect a humiliation. They've still got all the same excuses and they'll fold again.
427 Posted 21/04/2016 at 02:25:23
Don't worry mate, there's no need for such drastic measures. Martinez and Kenwright, two chancers who never had the means or skill to justify their position in the first place. At least one of them will be gone in the summer, maybe even earlier.
As painful as it is, in the present circumstances, it's just blood letting. Thank God this sorry chapter in our history, is coming to an end.
428 Posted 21/04/2016 at 02:30:08
MARTINEZ OUT. I could keep going til dawn fuck work!
429 Posted 21/04/2016 at 02:32:57
Hope he finds his 'special place' soon, as far away from Goodison Park as possible, and takes his team of 'losers' on the ex -Wigan staff with him.
430 Posted 21/04/2016 at 02:44:21
The stewards, the laundry workers, the kit sellers, the canteen workers. A lot of those people will lose their jobs if the club gets relegated, or even if crowds start declining.
I was going to buy a jersey for this season, but felt buying a top for nearly $100 before shipping was endorsing the shambles that has been our board and has become our team. I'm only one person, but I bet many others take the same approach.
431 Posted 21/04/2016 at 02:47:29
Because ultimately, when we are so riled, It's not Everton that's the slumbering giant. It us. Evertonians. We are the club. We have momentum now. More unified than in a long time. If you want change, keep the pressure up, not just on Martinez but on the board. They are the one's who make the decisions.
It's just a matter of time. This deadwood has festered at the heart of our club for too long now.
432 Posted 21/04/2016 at 02:51:51
What unfolded before our bleary eyes was utter rubbish. No fight, No heart, No idea and hopefully soon No Manager - "Taxi for Bobby".
I'll be up on Sunday morning at 2:15am to watch the FA Cup Semi-Final, unsure if my kids will be joining me after today's fiasco.
Safe journey and good luck to all the Toffee's travelling to Wembley on Saturday. Sing loud and proud ..... "We shall not be moved".
433 Posted 21/04/2016 at 03:09:14
434 Posted 21/04/2016 at 03:09:46
More shoddy marking I have never seen. The first goal stones gets outmuscled on a jump ball.
The second goal... I don't know where the hell Baines was going, he literally drifted completely away from his man as if he thought the ball was going to be slotted out. But he left a player unmarked in the center of our 6 yard line.
God almighty our off the ball awareness is shit all across the board. Everyone keeps talking about how much talent has been squandered.
These last few weeks, I'm not so sure anymore. I think I feel I've overestimated our talent level somewhat.
435 Posted 21/04/2016 at 03:16:25
"Say whatever you want about Martinez but I'm also pissed at our defensive line".
If you can't see by now, that after three seasons. Forgetting his time at Wigan. That if you can't see that the sole responsibility comes down to his coaching methods. At this stage, I'd have to ask you, just what do you think a manager does at a club?
436 Posted 21/04/2016 at 03:42:47
This feels like rock bottom. I won't feel any worse if we get battered by Man Utd. It won't be a new low, just a new same in a series of lows.
I suspect the players are like us. They need someone to give them some hope. Give them a reason to believe. That's not Roberto. He's a brave and foolish man trying to be a great leader. In no way do I hate him for that, and I think the players should feel ashamed of their performances for him. He's not up to the job, but he's stuck his neck out time and time again for these blokes.
The club is bigger than any of them. Saturday is bigger than any player or manager it has the potential to be part of our history.
For me, the most disappointing thing is that we haven't yet reacted. We have a big game on Saturday and need a change right now.
I'd give Joe Royle two days with them to explain the significance of the game and the responsibility they have to this club and its supporters.
437 Posted 21/04/2016 at 03:53:08
I'll ask you the same question you asked me. Just what do you think a manager does at a club?
All tactical ineptitude aside, no manager can stand on the pitch and hold his players' hands, and teach them to guard players off the ball, or to cut down on passing lanes.
Is the poor marking partly a symptom of poor tactical philosophy on that side of the ball from Martinez? Is it due to players not knowing their roles or responsibilities due to poor coaching? Quite possibly. I'm not sure what instructions he gives the boys in regards to those things.
But as I watched it unfold, the errors could've been prevented quite easily with more sound defending, and it had nothing to do with tactics (once the ball was played into the box), and everything to do with our defenders not positioning themselves appropriately.
Especially on the second goal, watch Baines misread the ball and leave the goal scorer completely unmarked. Is that a Manager's job, to teach players to read and react to a play? Not at this level.
You think Martinez is going to be gone, and were going to jump right into the top 5? I don't think so. I hope I'm wrong, but I think there's more than one thing wrong with this club right now.
438 Posted 21/04/2016 at 03:59:19
As far as the game went tonight, there was no surprise for this fan. Same again on Saturday if Martinez is still manager.
Bill Kenwright, you are not one of us, your a phony like Martinez.
439 Posted 21/04/2016 at 04:02:26
Roberto, either directly or in a managerial capacity sets the team up, trains the team, picks the team, and gives the team feedback.
To date, he has excused every deficiency. The manager sets the culture ours is one of zero accountability. Defeats are acceptable. Conceding sloppy goals is acceptable. Lack of effort is acceptable. You can see it right through the team. They're conditioned for mediocrity.
Blaming Roberto doesn't make the players' efforts acceptable, it just holds someone accountable. He is accountable for this.
In the summer whoever is here will need to look at the lack of spine in this team... and recruit to address it.
440 Posted 21/04/2016 at 04:07:23
We'd never be allowed to get away with it in our respective professional lives. I said earlier the players badly under-performed.
In my case, I wouldn't sack the staff, I'd sack their manager. Because the responsibility is held by those who hired them. If the failures were still manifesting, my business would go under because ultimately I was getting it wrong and evidently incompetent. Justifiably so, I'd take the ramifications of that.
441 Posted 21/04/2016 at 04:09:27
I know Jon woods has had enough of him I feel it is just BK who needs a big push.
This train wreck of a situation cannot go to the close season.
442 Posted 21/04/2016 at 04:11:27
In a nutshell. Accountability.
443 Posted 21/04/2016 at 04:18:48
I agree, and your business analogy was spot on! But I still blame our "staff" as well, especially the last few matches in regards to the lack of effort out there . Whether it has been bred into them by our manager or not. They're grown men, and the motivation to fight should be intrinsic.
Well said! I think we're on the same page, I hold Martinez to account for the exact reasons you mentioned. I'm just frustrated with the on-field effort (did you guys see the throw in where Oviedo was standing there for 10 seconds and not a single player made a run? I was about to lose my mind!)
444 Posted 21/04/2016 at 04:33:56
Good on ya mate. Michael and Lyndon are already doing their best providing us all with a platform, other sites too. Fundamentally we don't need anyone else but ourselves.
It was unpleasant, that a fellow Evertonian had to demonstrate on the pitch last Saturday. But I wholeheartedly support that action. I don't think he was eejit. Just like, I didn't think a thousand cushions raining down vs Coventry was. I thought it was a beautiful thing.
Tempering that, we've got a game on Saturday and Martinez is very fortunate to be given the chance to walk out with our team at Wembley. So hold your fire as understandable as anger and frustrations are right now. The levee will break soon.
445 Posted 21/04/2016 at 04:35:58
If you can't be bothered playing for the club that pays you then hand in a transfer request and leave.
446 Posted 21/04/2016 at 04:43:09
But look at the effect Klopp has had at the journeyman players at the lot over the park. It's quite a change. Good managers do that. Sahko ffs, we made him look like a world beater, Ogri too,
Should the players be blamed, absolutely. The manager, he was schooled tonight mate, hopefully he's learned his lesson for Van Gaal on Saturday. Sorry to say, I'm not holding my breath. It's a watershed week in Everton's history.
447 Posted 21/04/2016 at 05:04:41
Ummmmm. YES! Every single word.
It's panic time. Act or die.
It's fucking midnight here in the ol USA and I'm still just FURIOUS! 6 a.m. over there and you poor bastards are waking up to face the day... A day full of being on the end of the shit stick listening to all those rs fuckholes blast away.
We HAVE to make a change. It's negligence of the highest order if we don't as the Club continues its downward spiral into chaotic hell.
448 Posted 21/04/2016 at 05:09:39
While walking through us last night, the Liverpool supporters were laughing at our complete inability to compete. I'm afraid that Martinez will not leave as he will squirm his way back and humiliate us again on Saturday. Please go, Martinez, you are out of your league.
449 Posted 21/04/2016 at 05:50:17
To say they are not playing for the manager is bollocks. These are professional athletes for gods sake and should have more pride in themselves. Lowest of the low tonight.
450 Posted 21/04/2016 at 06:19:32
I was at one time the Area Manager for a large company, overseeing the running of a number of high street retail outlets. I soon learned we had a couple of managers whose stores continually failed to reach their weekly targets.
I quickly identified weaknesses in the individual managers, but also realised the staff, while not performing their jobs to the best of their ability, actually enjoyed working fir the company but couldn't respond to their manager's poor leadership so were going through the motions rather than excelling at their jobs.
When those managers failed to respond to my entreaties to change their ways, I dismissed them, hired new managers and hey presto, those stores, with exactly the same staff, began to hit their targets within weeks of the new managers taking over. They had belief once again, in the company for acting to replace poor managers and due to the new, better managers, they believed in themselves again. Same staff, different results.
The same applies here. Get rid of RM and I believe we'll see a vast difference in the players attitudes and results.
451 Posted 21/04/2016 at 06:30:32
Dear Mr Kenwright or should I call you Boys Pen Billy,
Strangely I don't recall seeing you in the Boys Pen back in the day when supposedly you and I were both there but then we both probably looked at lot different in those days. But as you can see I like you am a lifelong Evertonian having been taken to my first games as a seven year old back in the mid '50's by my Father himself a lifelong Evertonian and my Grandfather ditto.
I have stood on the Gwladys Street end and sat in the stands for hundreds of matches and also on my worldwide travels followed Everton on hard to hear worldservice broadcasts in the Kalahari desert and in the Persian Gulf and now watch when I can on the worldwide TV networks that broadcast the Prem live.In all those years I have reached the heights of pleasure at our League, Cup and European triumphs and also of course suffered innumerable disappointments as is the nature of football and I have no complaints about that at all. But that brings us to YOUR Chairmanship and YOUR choices of Mangers, Moyes and Martinez, both of whom were just not good enough. Moyes was a steady hand but lacked the ambition and drive to take Everton to the next level and the deceitful underhanded way he left still leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Now we come to Martinez who in their right mind would take a Manager that has just seen his team relegated and hand him control of the team he purports to love , its just not logical, and so it has proved to be Martinez has performed exactly as he has done in all his time in the Prem, and his record was there for all to see.
So do the decent thing Mr Kenwright put him and us long suffering Evertonians out of our misery and get rid of him NOW. He does not deserve the honour of leading out our beloved Everton team at Wembley.
452 Posted 21/04/2016 at 06:43:17
The moderator has deleted my post anyway (a shame because I thought it was quite good) but what I said is true: as the Norwegian commentator said "your boys took one hell of a beating", and the likes of Dixie Dean, Tommy Lawton, Howard Kendall and Alan Ball etc. will be turning in their graves.
453 Posted 21/04/2016 at 06:45:59
Cannot add anything to what has been said above, with 10 mins to go I skulked out of the ground and shuffled back to the car in the shadows like some thief in the night.
Head down and totally ashamed, it shouldn't be like that.
454 Posted 21/04/2016 at 06:46:54
If he was a proper supporter he would have fucked off this phoney twat straight after the final whistle.
455 Posted 21/04/2016 at 06:50:32
Nail on the head. Accountability and responsibility. After all, you know if you hadn't of made those hard decisions, your head would be on the line next.
Rightly so. We all have to live by the same standards. Why shouldn't it be different for Everton Football Club. Thankfully, Martinez will be gone soon.
If we as supporters want a future that isn't mired by abject failure, mediocrity and underachievement, for the love of God, let's make sure Kenwright and his cronies have nothing to do with anything that resembles the future of Everton.
'Cause if your looking for scapegoats for last night, there is only one man responsible for it and it's the same man who is responsible for you waking up this morning with Martinez still in charge.
456 Posted 21/04/2016 at 07:00:42
The present players are over-hyped and over-rated and mentally weak. I think only Barry and Robles can hold their head up just now.
The players are bought, trained, motivated and organised by the manager. He has failed on all these counts and any proper club would get rid. If he stays it will be a relegation fight next term, and we haven't any fighters.
I think on Saturday we will be just playing for pride but it seems we have none of that either. As for Dunc and Unsy leading them out, we couldn't do any worse if they pulled on blue shirts and played.
457 Posted 21/04/2016 at 07:04:34
Martinez will be in charge in August put your mortgage on it
458 Posted 21/04/2016 at 07:11:22
Is he for real? Seriously? If so I genuinely can't believe he's done that.
459 Posted 21/04/2016 at 07:17:31
I'll place a bet on it with you right now mate. I can guarantee you, besides Martinez being no Kendall. He will not be our manager come August.
461 Posted 21/04/2016 at 07:28:52
RM's only claim to fame may be provoking a record number of TW posts?
462 Posted 21/04/2016 at 07:44:28
Meanwhile, our own club is in a state of crisis. We are leaderless from top to bottom. We are in a state of rapid decline and we have been humiliated by our neighbours. I'd be more worried about that.
463 Posted 21/04/2016 at 07:58:49
464 Posted 21/04/2016 at 08:04:24
I hate to say it but I think the guys saying RM will still be here in August could be right. I believe RM has offered his resignation after last night which has been refused by Kenwright, sad to say but that's how I think it is.
465 Posted 21/04/2016 at 08:12:35
If Moshiri has any real ambitions he'll do a complete sweep, fumigation included, of the present regime. We need revolution, not reform.
466 Posted 21/04/2016 at 08:24:57
From top to bottom we are rotten, big Neville Southall said as much a few months back.
Anyone who does not believe that Everton should be the best, should not work at the club, that includes Bill Kenwright who has allowed us to be run by Martinez and his League 1 clan.
Things have to change now.
467 Posted 21/04/2016 at 08:29:43
That's all. A simple request. What could be the downside? There's no way down when you're at rock bottom already.
468 Posted 21/04/2016 at 08:31:41
469 Posted 21/04/2016 at 08:33:11
470 Posted 21/04/2016 at 08:36:45
Like Sturridge said, nobody's that good/bad, it's the work you do on the training ground, that ultimately determines how you perform.
Why wait till Saturday night to sack him? Why, why, fuckingwhy?
472 Posted 21/04/2016 at 09:00:14
Only the RESULTS the team obtains go in the record book. On the evidence of last night, only one of those teams is successful... and it sure ain't Everton!
473 Posted 21/04/2016 at 09:06:14
Pair of gobshites...
474 Posted 21/04/2016 at 09:14:46
I've seen some bad Everton teams in my time but that, last night was a new low. It doesn't matter what you think of the manager, a ball shouldn't bounce off you when it's played to your feet. When you have an opportunity to make their keeper work, you don't dally with the ball or blaze it over in a rush of blood to the head. You don't get out jumped as a centre half by a third rate striker. You don't make stupid fouls near are own box. How many times do we do this? You don't play a ball with no accuracy to a midfield player when you're the last man back (after you've done this countless times already and it has got you into trouble). You don't throw your hands up in the air instead of getting the ball back (after making comments of "wanting Champions League football").
And worst of all, you don't rake your studs down a third rate striker's achilles.
I don't mind putting up with the "shite" tag all day today. I've got used to it. I hate putting up with the "dirty, cheating, bitter Blues" tag. Funes Mori tugging on his badge as though he's Alan Ball and we idolise him was one of the most despicable things I've seen done by an Everton player. There is no place at Everton for that.
475 Posted 21/04/2016 at 09:16:40
476 Posted 21/04/2016 at 09:19:46
478 Posted 21/04/2016 at 09:32:20
The saddest thing is that what you might be paying for is the sacking of Martinez.... Every cloud eh.
480 Posted 21/04/2016 at 09:35:10
You could obviously write a book on the bad things just from yesterday, but the Oviedo situation sums up all the incompetence. He had a shocking game on Saturday in his natural left sided position. He is woefully one footed and has been a disaster before when played at right back and yesterday he was truly awful. We know who will be playing right back on Saturday don't we?
I had hoped to wake up to the news that RM had resigned or been placed in a straight-jacket with Joe Royle taking over for the rest of the season. There's still time though. It's the hope that keeps you going.
481 Posted 21/04/2016 at 09:35:22
482 Posted 21/04/2016 at 09:35:42
Bill.Kenwright@Evertonfc.com and Robert.Elstone@everonfc.com
To make their feelings known. This is definitely a new low and its fucking painful and these bastards like Kenwright need to know how everyone feels. Lack of money can't be used as an excuse anymore!!!
483 Posted 21/04/2016 at 09:38:33
Whether or not the mere sacking of Martinez can heal the wound is a moot point. To me Kenwright has a helluva lot to answer for nothwithstanding any good he might have done way back in the day.
484 Posted 21/04/2016 at 09:38:51
486 Posted 21/04/2016 at 09:51:13
489 Posted 21/04/2016 at 09:57:51
And until the dawn of the Premiership, we were one of the most successful teams in the English first Division. Even after the drought from the early seventies to the mid eighties, then after brief flowering, until now (bar for one FA Cup, thanks to Joe and his team in 95) we are still one of the most successful teams ever.
Now we might have a chance of being able to compete again but I think there's one more space on the timeline required. That will hopefully be filled when Bill Kenwright sods off and takes Elstone with him.
But before he goes, he could do the club a favour and put us all out of our misery, by accepting the manager's resignation.
490 Posted 21/04/2016 at 09:59:36
Funes Mori looked like that tackle was meant for Martinez, that wasn't a team playing out there last night just a group of players with no plan or no confidence in the plan they were given.
An absolute embarrassment.... so glad I'm not at work till Monday.
491 Posted 21/04/2016 at 10:02:38
492 Posted 21/04/2016 at 10:03:49
494 Posted 21/04/2016 at 10:07:57
496 Posted 21/04/2016 at 10:11:46
Put us out of our misery. Even better show Martinez some mercy and get rid, the man is punch drunk and in no fit state to prepare us for a semi-final.
497 Posted 21/04/2016 at 10:16:19
The silver lining from all of this is the hopeful firing of the payaso espaÃ±ol.
498 Posted 21/04/2016 at 10:19:30
501 Posted 21/04/2016 at 10:28:20
Kenwright is an idiot who has almost destroyed EFC.
502 Posted 21/04/2016 at 10:35:38
You can always tell when players have lost faith, and we a now a classic case of just that. There is actually no argument for Martinez staying a minute longer. I just hope they act, preferably before the weekend. 32,000 blues will be cheering on the team and spending hundreds of pounds in the process this Saturday. Don't embarrass any longer.
503 Posted 21/04/2016 at 10:35:47
I think we all recognise it. Unfortunately it's just got to play out. Kenwright isn't going to back down now. He didn't over Kirkby. His reign is in it's death throes. Last throw of the dice, that imaginary walk up the steps won't be for him.
He won't give up though and you've got to give him credit for that. he just backed the wrong horse and seriously underestimated Evertonians appetite for romantic boy's pen, deluded bullshit.
504 Posted 21/04/2016 at 10:37:20
505 Posted 21/04/2016 at 10:37:55
However for the posters that stated they don't blame the players-GTF!! these are the same players, one of who is 'ready for the Championship' oh sorry Champions League, the same players that pundit after pundit, not just delusional Dave in blue-tinted glasses, have said is as good as Spurs squad, the same players who only 3 months ago the Liverpool Echo's sports' writers picked a 'best of' team with 7 blues and 4RS-where were they last night?
Since the EPL inception, I've witnessed some horrible derbies, but never one as gutless as this one; when it was relegation battlers up against a member of the SKY 4, at least the Mitch Wards, Scott Gemills, and Gareth Farrellys put a shift in, unlike 'the brightest talent in Europe'- shameful, shameful. Last night took me back to the early 80's men against boys derbies; but at least we were against the best team in Europe, and this RS doesn't come close to that.
Onto the game itself: yes he had to shuffle the defence but he must know that Oviedo cannot play RB, and then he compounds the problem by putting Lennon on the left, when he could've doubled up with Oviedo, yet another mad Martinez team selection that's getting increasingly erratic. I'm not overly fond of stats, but 15 RS shots on target to zip by us with only 3 heat spots in their pen area all game-surely it can't get any worse can it??
506 Posted 21/04/2016 at 10:44:09
Get rid of Martinez, get in someone who can motivate them, because this is a talented squad no doubt - they're just all over the place. We have no shape, no pressing, zonal marking, shambolic lack of organisation - that is down to the manager because the players are doing what they're told to do by him.
He's lost, and so are they as a result.
Bring in a manager with sensible tactics and the ability to motivate, and you watch them blossom ala the RS under Klopp.
507 Posted 21/04/2016 at 10:55:22
If anyone should take over until the end of season it has to be Joe Royle. He can stir them up and probably would graciously step aside.
508 Posted 21/04/2016 at 11:00:07
Give it to Hibbo & Ossie till the end of the season - what's the worst that could happen?
509 Posted 21/04/2016 at 11:08:20
I truly feel so absolutely sorry for the fans who went to Anfield last night and had to endure that nightmare, and the taunts of the red fans, we will get over it but in the meantime "Nero" Kenwright continues to fiddle while we burn.
God help us.
510 Posted 21/04/2016 at 11:18:22
Let's start acting like the club I was brought up to love. The best. Nil Satis Nisi Optimum.
511 Posted 21/04/2016 at 11:18:35
It's not that I disagree with the article mate. But McNulty's one of those who are always getting the last kick in. And I could name more of the usual suspects.
Thing is, whatever he says , it's three months too late, longer than that in reality, posted on here awhile back.
If you want to quote real reporting, there's Lyndon, Michael, Ken, Phil, Colin, Patrick, Harold, God rest his soul etc...The list of the contributors on this site is endless. All of them have a far greater understanding of what's going on at Everton.
512 Posted 21/04/2016 at 11:22:57
I still think he will still be leading the side out on Saturday although I strongly suspect it will make no difference anyway.
Of course anything is possible , but the team is broken. We will have a half strength team, bereft of confidence and spirit playing a United team on the up.
It genuinely crossed my mind to not go on Saturday as I woke up this morning. Of course I will but I have certainly never gone to Wembley expecting to get tanked.
513 Posted 21/04/2016 at 11:28:56
To reintegrate I've seen inferior players, vastly inferior players put a better preform and than the shame I witnessed last night.
Be interesting to read Ken Buckley's report; he'll probably rename it from behind my seat
514 Posted 21/04/2016 at 11:33:19
I'm asking because when I used to play Sunday league football (I know a million miles away from Premier League standard) but I didn't need a manager to tell me how to do things on the pitch, I knew my place on the team, i.e. Where to be, who to pass to, who to cover for if that person was out of position etc.
So why can't this shower just ignore Martinez, and do what they are paid for, and not to implement ridiculous orders from RM?
516 Posted 21/04/2016 at 11:39:52
517 Posted 21/04/2016 at 11:40:48
I honestly fear if changes aren't made NOW not Monday or next month or next season, but Now! then we are going the same way... a proud traditional club fading.
518 Posted 21/04/2016 at 11:47:11
None of this is news.
Jack@511 - Absolutely agree. The thing about the McNulty article is that it's on the BBC site which means exposure. Yes all those TW contributors have been writing the same thing for months, but this get's it out further.
An RS mate of mine said last night, that he didn't even know of the bad feeling toward Martinez - that says it all.
Alan@516 - I was kind of joking about not having a manager!
519 Posted 21/04/2016 at 11:52:41
520 Posted 21/04/2016 at 11:53:33
For those saying we can't sack soft lad because we have a semi-final, didn't we sack Bingham before the second leg of a semi-final in the League Cup So we have done it before.
Some on here have been asking, "What is Duncan doing about this?" Let me tell you, Martinez has him doing nothing with the first team and actually barred him from the dressing room before a previous derby as he "did not want him firing the players up before going out" preferring them to be level headed!!!! The players no longer believe or even listen to him at Finch Farm.
On Kenwright, he is nothing but a gullible soft touch... quotes about Martinez being a great manager only show how removed from reality he is.
Oh and those out there who feel upset at John Henry's remarks, don't be; they are true: we are clueless as a club, run by morons.
As fans, we have been kidded for years, fed a load of shite, sold a myth... "Grand Old Team", "If you know your history" a load of fucking bollocks.
I was at the tin mine last night for the first time since Gary Speed equalised years ago and it galls me to the pit of my gut to say that, as much as I detest those bastards, they as a club are trying to improve. That fucking stand that you can see from anywhere in the city is to be extended around the Anfield Road. Meanwhile, come this summer, a coat of paint along Bullens Road and maybe a new flag facing one of the bombed-out chippies, and that will be our ground improvements done.
If Kenwright was any kind of man or Evertonian, he would have marched on that coach after the game and sacked Martinez in front of everyone, even telling him to get the bus home as further punishment. He should then have gone round each player and knocked fuck out of them for giving us one of the worst nights in our history.
But this is Everton: we don't sack our manager... not the Everton way.
521 Posted 21/04/2016 at 11:54:38
Andy Hunter (@AHunterGuardian) 20/04/2016, 22:38
Klopp on 2nd half: "Maybe even the crowd did not enjoy it, there was no real fight anymore."
As damning as it gets for Everton.
522 Posted 21/04/2016 at 11:58:17
523 Posted 21/04/2016 at 12:08:19
Feels like complete negligence to me. I can't see how we just continue on to such a big game without any change.
If we go out on Saturday I honestly couldn't care less whether he sees out the season or not.
524 Posted 21/04/2016 at 12:10:46
Martinez has managed to turn what should be a joyous occasion into a wake...
525 Posted 21/04/2016 at 12:11:55
The player we never see
We're going to Wembley
Tell Oumar Oumar
526 Posted 21/04/2016 at 12:15:33
Sorry for my vulgar language but I don't give a fuck what those cunts say. The days when we were given a fair hearing has long gone.
But I applaud and appreciate you for bringing information to us. Just kidding mate, I read it earlier, to be honest the anger is just going to sit for awhile. The defeat I can accept, it's not new, the complete capitulation is another matter. Anyway off to the bunker for me.
527 Posted 21/04/2016 at 12:19:38
Maybe we can blame the Anfield staff for the way they get the pitch ready.
528 Posted 21/04/2016 at 12:32:39
529 Posted 21/04/2016 at 12:34:04
I think if Martinez is to get sacked, it will open up a can or worms at boardroom level, and the whole dynamics of the power play will change.
But one thing is clear, the team need galvanizing ! and Martinez is not the man to inspire. Only his sacking will bring about winds of change, and with the right person in charge for Saturday, they might just be able to use what so obviously has suppressed to the teams advantage.
530 Posted 21/04/2016 at 12:34:33
It's 9:30pm here in Australia now and I am praying beyond belief that when I wake tomorrow morning Martinez will have done the honourable thing and walked away and refused if BK says he can stay for the Semi. Please Lord, help us with this one!
531 Posted 21/04/2016 at 12:38:29
Jimmi if that story is true and I have no reason not to believe it, then it shows how far we have sunk and how utterly delusional the clubs hierarchy is.
532 Posted 21/04/2016 at 12:38:32
With this in mind, I would suggest that Martinez will be relieved of his duties either before, or at, the end of the season anyway.
On what basis would Moshiri feel that he was doing a good enough job to be bankrolled by him? Answers on a postcard.
533 Posted 21/04/2016 at 12:43:34
Ironically, while Moshiri is likely to offer significant long term change, it might be our change in ownership that is currently preventing short term change.
534 Posted 21/04/2016 at 12:44:44
I saw none of that on display last night and regardless of a clueless manager someone take the initiative, because they're not kids and they should demonstrate some footballing nounce. Disgraceful and I'm still numb with shock
535 Posted 21/04/2016 at 12:46:10
536 Posted 21/04/2016 at 12:47:41
Having said that, we all know he is nothing but stubborn, and no matter how bad things are he, will never quit!
537 Posted 21/04/2016 at 12:50:16
Football teams are built in their managers image, and footballers don't want to rock the boat we've all seen what can happen when you piss Martinez off by not following him to the letter Distin, Baines etc all being mugged off by him for crossing him.
The sooner this arrogant, useless, one dimensional joke of a manager leaves, the better. Get someone in with some tactical nouse who understands how to motivate a talented group of players, and make them want to work hard. Our players are not inherently lazy it would be impossible to select an entire squad to be lazy they're just not motivated, and that's because of Martinez, at least in my view.
Happy to disagree politely though. :)
538 Posted 21/04/2016 at 12:52:33
I'll guarantee now that it won't happen on Saturday either. We'll try to outplay them. And if we get put under pressure we'll continue in the same way - then fold when it doesn't work. All feels futile.
James 535, has it really been that long already? Time flies when you're having fun!
539 Posted 21/04/2016 at 13:03:00
Nick (#531), yes that story is absolutely true I promise you, I heard it first hand from the staff mate and yes sunk lower than the low.
540 Posted 21/04/2016 at 13:18:30
541 Posted 21/04/2016 at 13:36:40
Has there ever been a worse-timed appearance on TV than after the Chelsea Quarter-final arm wrapped around new investor pal as if to say, "Thanks for the money BUT I'm still in charge here and this is what YOU think about MY football club."
He is one almighty charlatan of the highest order and has conned virtually all before him.
542 Posted 21/04/2016 at 13:41:40
543 Posted 21/04/2016 at 13:58:00
544 Posted 21/04/2016 at 13:58:34
I couldn't agree more.
545 Posted 21/04/2016 at 14:19:18
546 Posted 21/04/2016 at 16:54:12
547 Posted 21/04/2016 at 17:44:17
I asked that question last week and was told he had been playing terrible for the u-21s.
As for browning he's out for the season with an injury as I understand it.
548 Posted 21/04/2016 at 17:53:01
Me: A fucking disgrace. If that muppet RM is not sacked tonight I will be in tears. You bastards are gonna whip us
Him: I hope so, obviously, but not as much as you think. I don't want you to suffer
549 Posted 21/04/2016 at 18:10:09
550 Posted 21/04/2016 at 20:31:54
People talk about managers on a certain level would do well if they were at a club with more money (think what everyone thought of Moyes whilst at Everton). On that logic alone, can anyone actually see Martinez, with the cash he's had here, ever getting employed as a football manager again? I can't.
I would love to see the results of the poll on the home page if it had been started today, rather than two weeks ago. I think that 7% would be a lot closer to 0%.
551 Posted 21/04/2016 at 21:12:57
552 Posted 21/04/2016 at 21:26:04
And whatever shake up happens I hope that knob Graeme Jones is cut loose. Don't think I like him.
553 Posted 21/04/2016 at 22:57:18
554 Posted 21/04/2016 at 23:18:04
555 Posted 22/04/2016 at 13:31:54
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