Everton's shambolic meltdown leaves Martinez on the brink

20/04/2016  525 Comments  [Jump to last]
Liverpool 4 - 0 Everton

Ramiro Funes Mori was sent off early in the second half and is suspended for Saturday's cup semi-final as things stand

Ramiro Funes Mori was sent off and Everton played much of the second half with no recognised centre-halves as the Blues were utterly humiliated at Anfield.

2-0 down by the halfway stage having conceded two soft headed goals late in the first half, Roberto Martinez's side were then reduced to ten men — and just one recognised central defender — as the Argentine defender was given his marching orders for stamping on Divock Origi's ankle.

The Blues then lost their remaining centre back when John Stones was taken off with what his manager said were stomach pains, forcing James McCarthy to drop back into the back four alongside Muhamed Besic.

The game was effectively over as a contest by that stage. Everton, who failed to muster a shot on target with their full complement and the scores goalless, spent the rest of the match in damage-limitation mode but conceded twice more to complete one of the most astonishing collapses in recent memory.

The defeat condemned Everton to a seventh match without a win in the Premier League and leaves them critically undermined in terms of defensive personnel and morale heading into the all-important FA Cup semi-final against Manchester United on Saturday.

It also surely leaves Martinez, who has yet to reach double figures for league victories with just four hames left, on the precipice when it comes to his job, with many Everton fans having seen enough following this latest derby humiliation.

Romelu Lukaku and Ross Barkley returned to a strong starting XI, which featured Bryan Oviedo as the expected stand-in for the injured Seamus Coleman.Saturday's teenage debutant, Tom Davies, was not included in the squad this time as Martinez opted for a strength and a bid to gather some momentum heading into the weekend.

Everton started well, with the kind of commitment and purpose that Blues fans were hoping for after a series of pedestrian displays.

Ross Barkley had a strong early run snuffed out but it was Joel Robles who was called into serious action first when Oviedo skied the ball in midfield and the ball was fed straight to Philippe Coutinho who put Adam Lallana clean through but he was denied brilliantly by the Spanish keeper who was off his line smartly to block as the midfielder tried to slide it under him.

An Everton break at the other end offered a chance to Kevin Mirallas but his curling effort cleared the bar and the Belgian then sliced another shot badly from a similar range a few minutes later.

Coutinho drove a shot over from 25 yards and Mamadou Sakho recovered after being rolled by Lukaku in the box to get a foot on the ball and prevent the Blues striker from getting his shot away.

The reds remained the greater attacking impetus as the half wore on, though. Coutinho bounced a free kick wide from the edge of "D", Dejan Lovren fired off target from distance before Firmino marginally sprung the offside trap but Robles came to the rescue with a last-ditch save with his foot.

The Blues' notorious Achilles heel reared its head just before half-time, however. Milner swung a deep cross to the back post where Divock Origi rose above the flat-footed John Stones to head past Robles who had hesitated as the ball came in.

Then, in first-half stoppage time, Oviedo was again caught giving too much space to Milner who collected a one-two from Lallana and Sakho headed home unmarked at the back post.

Gareth Barry was withdrawn at half time, presumably to save his legs for Saturday, but Everton's hopes of getting back into the match were dealt a potentially crippling blow five minutes into the second half when Funes Mori was shown a red card for a stamping challenge on Origi.

Barkley came off for Cleverley but Everton were carved open on the hour and Sturridge slotted past Robles following an error by Stones. Stones himself was then take off injured, leaving Martinez with no first-choice centre halves. McCarthy and Barry partnered each other in defence.

Coutinho half-volleyed wide from Milner's cross but Oviedo blocked it behind as the reds went in search of more goals.

Robles then fisted a rasping Moreno effort away to safety but with no attacking outlet, the ball just kept coming back and Coutinho rubbed further salt in the wounds with a crisp drive into the far corner to make it 4-0.

With Everton penned in their own half for almost the entire second half, Sturridge's attempt to make it five almost came off the bar but Robles touched it over in injury time. And the Spaniard made a diving save a minute or so later to deny the same player.

Kick-off: 8pm
Referee: Robert Madley
Everton: Robles, Oviedo, Stones, Funes Mori, Baines, Barry, McCarthy, Lennon, Mirallas, Barkley, Lukaku
Subs: Howard, Besic, Cleverley, Osman, Pienaar, Deulofeu, Niasse

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Jeff Armstrong
2 Posted 20/04/2016 at 19:05:59
An out of sorts left back at right back... hmm surely the lad who came on against So'ton would have been a better option.

Still what do we fans know about management that our boss doesn't eh?
Mike Allen
4 Posted 20/04/2016 at 19:16:53
So Kone the only one rested for the semi... or has he got a wrist injury??
Andy King
5 Posted 20/04/2016 at 19:17:45
No defenders on the bench..?

An injury at the back would mean a bit of a reshuffle.

Patrick Carty
6 Posted 20/04/2016 at 19:19:09
Can have no complaints with the team, time for the player's to deliver.
Sean Roberts
7 Posted 20/04/2016 at 19:22:18
Wtf is sick note doing on the bench. If Niasse is not match fit till next season :

1. How did he pass a medical, and

2. Why is he occupying a place that a fit youngster could be sitting in!!!!
Let's hope we don't see an injury to Lukaku early on.

Anyway back to the game, cmon you blues. Got a sneaky feeling we're going to nick this one!!!

William Cartwright
8 Posted 20/04/2016 at 19:23:33
'We will always give opportunities for our younger players....' but neither Davies or Connolly on the bench. Meanwhile fitness failure Niasse is on the Bench? Nice one! COYB
Ste McCoombe
9 Posted 20/04/2016 at 19:23:49
Should have included Connolly instead of Niasse.
Craig Mills
10 Posted 20/04/2016 at 19:29:44
As good a team as we can put out, let's do it Blues and let's have no moaning till after the game please!!
Kunal Desai
11 Posted 20/04/2016 at 19:33:06
Would have liked to see both Connolly and Davies replacing Niasse and Pienaar.
Joe O'Brien
12 Posted 20/04/2016 at 19:34:29
Was thinking the same Andy, what is with no defenders on the bench. For that matter it's a weak enough bench, the past its Osman and Pienaar and the supposedly super unfit Niasse. I still don't know what's the persistence with having Niasse there when he obviously won't play the man.

Still if we don't get any injuries this 1st team will earn a long overdue at that place. COYB

William Cartwright
13 Posted 20/04/2016 at 19:34:40
Is our next big thing Brendan Galloway still on Everton's books?
Brendan Fox
14 Posted 20/04/2016 at 19:34:50
Martinez is a bottler.

Oviedo playing right back is not going to end well.

Why has Dowell who has been banging in the goals for the U21's not on the bench instead of the apparently unfit Niasse.

Why is Peanuts on the bench instead of Davies or Connolly.

The younger lads need exposure in this exact type of game if they are to fulfil their potential.

Tony Twist
16 Posted 20/04/2016 at 19:36:23
Doesn't matter that much on the players it's the way Martinez wants them to play. Strong side but unless they play pre Martinez, with intensity, then we will fold.
Andy King
17 Posted 20/04/2016 at 19:39:27
I thought when our hand was forced and we played Browning in a derby he was amazing. I sometimes think throwing a kid into the mix of it all can work in your favour. Either it goes over their heads or they're cocky little bastards who don't give a monkeys.

C'mon you Blue Boys!

Colin Williams
18 Posted 20/04/2016 at 19:40:20
Why the feck does he play a guy who was absolutely shit last week in his natural playing position and then play him a week later in a derby match in the most unnatural position for a left-sided defender. Yes, I get it if... two-footed, but he's not. We have better natural right footed mid/ fielders/ defenders who would be much better equipped to play that role.

Hope the lad doesn't have a torrid time on his outside space.... Otherwise, hope our central defenders plus goalkeeper can defend this area of attack! Martinez out!!!

Jay Harris
19 Posted 20/04/2016 at 19:40:32
Agree with the questions already asked.
Oviedo baby was a disaster last time at RB and is not currently playing well.
No defenders on the bench.
No kids on the bench and wtf is Niasse doing on the bench.
Oliver Molloy
21 Posted 20/04/2016 at 19:44:24
Brendan @14
Martinez may be a lot of things but one things he is not is a bottler.

If he was we would have more points, he has put his neck on the line with this team.
I hope it goes well for him and US..
COYB.

Mark Rimmer
22 Posted 20/04/2016 at 19:50:26
No sign of Galloway or Browning.
Dan Davies
23 Posted 20/04/2016 at 19:55:33
Niasse to score the winner 93rd minute! COYBB
David Barks
24 Posted 20/04/2016 at 19:55:35
Browning has been out with a knee injury for months now and won't be back until next year. Nothing new there, it's been known for a while.
Joe O'Brien
25 Posted 20/04/2016 at 19:57:25
Browning is out for the season I think. Galloway who knows. Connolly should be on the bench for sure. Come on you blue boys.
Jeff Armstrong
26 Posted 20/04/2016 at 20:00:12
McCarthy back after a decent performance from Gibson, form really does go out the window for derbies.
Brendan Fox
27 Posted 20/04/2016 at 20:01:47
Oliver @ 21 if Martinez is not a bottler then why has he picked unfit (Martinez words not mine) and ageing out of the door players (Pienaar) over some youthful exuberance with the U21 lads who might bring a bit of fight to the team?
Frank McGregor
28 Posted 20/04/2016 at 20:03:12
I cannot see anything but a 4- to 5-goal defeat for my sorry Blues.

Hopefully next season will see a different Everton team.

Oliver Molloy
29 Posted 20/04/2016 at 20:11:42
Experience, know how, temperament in big games.

You are speaking about the bench – he has Niasse on the bench when the everyone is questioning how he can not be fit – he has to be shit...

No, as much as I want him gone. Martinez is not a bottler.

Christy Ring
30 Posted 20/04/2016 at 20:18:19
Oviedo is getting a roasting at right back, he got the same on the left side on Saturday. Why didn't he play Connolly, who did a great shift against Southampton.
Ray Smith
31 Posted 20/04/2016 at 20:25:34
Am I seeing things.

Couldn't get a ticket tonight.

This is the Everton I love too see. Where have they been all season???

Regardless of the final score, this is what I pay to see.

Still need a new manager, but the talent is there to see.

Bye bye Roberto, we should have been playing like this all season. Where would we be in the league by now???

Max Murphy
32 Posted 20/04/2016 at 20:30:44
1 mention for Lennon in 30 mins. Get him off.
Dave Ganley
33 Posted 20/04/2016 at 20:47:06
Ray what game are you watching?? The RS are mauling us....its embarrasing!!
Ian McDowell
34 Posted 20/04/2016 at 20:47:13
I'd love a centre that would jump and attack the ball be aggressive. In fact I'd love to see some fight.
Jeff Armstrong
35 Posted 20/04/2016 at 20:47:27
Ray 31, have you got the an old eighties video on?
Max Murphy
36 Posted 20/04/2016 at 20:47:38
Lennon: 2 touches and a foul & booking in 45 minutes.
Living off scraps - waiting for inevitable. This will get embarrassing in the second half if not in the first 2 down
Michael Polley
38 Posted 20/04/2016 at 20:52:41
Same old shit.
Dominic Tonge
39 Posted 20/04/2016 at 20:53:38
This is fucking painful, could be a cricket score.
Colin Hughes
40 Posted 20/04/2016 at 20:53:58
Can somebody tell me the last time we even scored a first half goal at that place, I can't remember one since Kevin Campbell in 1999. Knew we would lose tonight but why is it we never even turn up at that place? Fucking players have no pride in the shirt compared to that lot over there.
Rob Hooton
41 Posted 20/04/2016 at 20:54:24
Fucking shite, what the fuck is Martinez doing in training with our defence, musical fucking statues?
Roger Helm
43 Posted 20/04/2016 at 20:54:41
It is painful to watch – a team of unfit unmotivated strangers taking on a proper team. Everton are clueless. If it was boxing the referee would stop it. Have we had a shot on target? Have we had more than three passes together?
Tom R Owen
44 Posted 20/04/2016 at 20:54:44
Awful.
Dreadful marking.
And if anybody wants to pay £60 million plus for Rom.
Please take the money.
Mark Rimmer
45 Posted 20/04/2016 at 20:55:32
It's damage limitation now, a mauling would seriously affect the confidence for the semis, but at least it would be another nail in Martinez's coffin.
Christy Ring
46 Posted 20/04/2016 at 20:55:49
It's embarrassing, totally toothless. I feel sorry for Lennon, he's our best right winger, he's lost on the left. This is typical Martinez, putting square pegs in round holes. Lukaku completely isolated. Time to go.
Steve Dowdeswell
47 Posted 20/04/2016 at 20:56:34
Think Moyesy is there for a job interview?
Bob Skelton
48 Posted 20/04/2016 at 20:57:36
Turned it off. Oh for a proper centre half

Kev Johnson
49 Posted 20/04/2016 at 20:57:42
We're in deep shit. Off to bed.
Christopher Dover
50 Posted 20/04/2016 at 20:58:04
Why is Lennon playing on the left? He did very well on the right so he gets moved to the left and becomes ineffective?
As for Niasse why if unfit is he on bench taking the place of someone who could play.

Please put us out of our misery MARTINEZ PLEASE GO.

Craig Walker
51 Posted 20/04/2016 at 20:59:00
Ross is too greedy. Same with Mirallas. Lukaku "I want champions league football" has done nothing since those comments. Oviedo having a nightmare. Baines is awful. Again! Always the wrong option in attack when in good positions. Demoralising. It's actually making me ill watching it. What price Barry or someone getting sent off?

Same again on Saturday.

Why do we put ourselves through this?

Ian Hollingworth
52 Posted 20/04/2016 at 20:59:31
Bobby Baffoon salir de nuestro club.
Mike Allen
53 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:01:45
Six-yard box headers again and again 6'-4" keeper and his first movement is backwards – I can't believe he hasn't gone them.
Paul Curwen
54 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:01:55
Pile of wank!!!
Tom Plant
55 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:02:41
Fucking disgrace. Martinez should have gone weeks ago but is allowed to stay and drift through the rest of the season. No shape, fight or belief in this side.

He must go TOMORROW so the team can be galvanised before Saturday. What the fuck has happened to Lukaku – he hasn't won a header for weeks and is disinterested, lazy and a fucking embarrassment.

Come on Moshiri, get on the phone to Bill and get this sorted so we have some chance of salvaging this awful season or we'll just end up being dumped out of the cup and finishing 14th in the league. Get rid of this Spanish fraud now. 😡

Karl Parsons
56 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:02:50
Fucking lucky it's only two. So Martinez said this was a chance to make the fans proud. Well lad you've got 45 minutes to turn this team of strangers into something. Funny but me thinks you've got fucking no chance.
Peter McCann
57 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:03:49
No leadership playing like strangers no confidence pathetic up front and can't defend to save their lives no passion no pride nothing! To say it's basic schoolboy errors is an insult to schoolboys!

This is the worst run of games since Christmas that I can remember. Martinez should have been sacked at Christmas.

Will Jones
58 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:04:26
I was worried before the game that the team line-up would be strong but we would play badly. Martinez has tried to win this, but the players are just not upto the mark. Martinez has lost everyone. Tonight is painful.
Tom Plant
59 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:04:44
Get Moyes out the Sky Studio and on to the fucking dugout to remind this lot how to defend...
Craig Mills
60 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:04:47
Guys – did anyone REALLY expect anything else? We conceded so many fucking goals from crosses, it's untrue. We offer NOTHING going forward, we are piss poor at the back – I think we'll be lucky to get out of this shithole with the score under 4.
Tom Plant
61 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:07:10
For the first time ever (over 30 years of supporting this great club), I'm getting close to switching off – hard to watch and not good for your health....
Tom Plant
62 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:08:53
It'll get better....
Jay Harris
63 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:10:59
Bainsey rolling his eyes as Martinez is telling him to reorganize.

Says it all really....

Christopher Dover
64 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:12:37
Ten men Everton stage comeback.

Then I woke up!

Kev Johnson
65 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:12:44
Just end this motherfuckers reign now. I can't bear it anymore!
Craig Walker
68 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:13:51
I don't want to see challenges like that from an Everton player. Not only will we get ripped tomorrow for being shite but we'll be bitter cheating Blues as well. Hard to defend behaviour like that.
Tony Hill
69 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:14:02
What a very sad embarrassment we have become as a club. Short of being relegated, I don't think we can sink much lower. Reduced to half-witted thuggery and shambolic in all respects.
Tom Plant
70 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:16:39
Cleverly on for Barkley. Final straw.
Max Murphy
71 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:17:48
What an absolute ridiculous substitution taking off Barkley – why not Lennon????
Colin Hughes
72 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:23:03
Nine wins in 34 games in the Premier League now. I don't even think Accrington Stanley would accept a record that poor.

ps: There is more chance of seeing Elvis shopping in Tesco than us ever winning at Anfield again.

Hannes Eerola
73 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:23:45
Same shit, different day!
Ray Smith
74 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:24:42
Dave (#33),

I posted after 20 mins, however, it was the obvious kiss of death.

All I can hope for is the swift exit of Martinez.

Scott Hamilton
75 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:25:34
Let's look at the only likely positive:

Martinez is toast!!!

Pete Ellingham
76 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:25:56
The clown has to go tonight, I am embarrassed and ashamed of this performance. Just get someone else for the semi and get someone lined up for the end of the season.
Craig Walker
77 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:26:50
You know the hard thing to take? This is one of the worst RS teams and they're making us look like a pub team. We need wholesale changes. I was gonna list the problems but what's the point anymore?
John Parker
78 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:27:10
Stones... lazy jump for first goal and his usual cocky pass, gave away the third,

I just don't get the hype.

Eivind Nyhus
79 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:27:11
This is unacceptable.
Christopher Dover
80 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:27:54
When waffler Martinez starts his press conference, I hope they remind him Everton were 2 down before going to ten men.

Do not let him get away with the usual phenomenal crap about the performance with ten men.

Pete Ellingham
81 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:28:04
It's like a bloody training session for them!
Gavin Johnson
82 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:30:24
I couldn't get a ticket. Looks like I was fortunate not to. One small mercy is that I can turn the TV off. A complete and utter disgrace!! Sack him before Saturday!!
Tom R Owen
83 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:30:33
Roberto has just been unlucky!!

I hope BK goes as well after this...

Anto Byrne
84 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:32:49
Surely the powers that be can't allow this to continue. What have we done to deserve this and why won't the board do something about it? It's terrible and sad at the same time.

Perhaps this can be the death knell for the incredible one who has completely destroyed this football team. For god's sake, please call a taxi and appoint a caretaker now.

Feeling sick and upset that we resorted to thuggery on the pitch. Funes Mori can fuck off back to Argentina.

Dave Ganley
85 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:33:14
Ha! Fair enough, Ray, and ditto to your sentiment. I'm actually dreading Saturday now. What an utter shambles.

Now, who actually thinks it's counter productive to sack this man before the semi? Should have gone before tonight; if he's still there by Saturday, then the humiliation will he complete.

I am actually cursing renewing my season ticket for next season already. If he isn't gone by then, then that does leave a dilemma. I just can't watch him and his rubbish football any longer.

Christopher Dover
86 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:33:28
Ok let's look at the positive, Liverpool may just have done us a big big favour by getting Martinez sacked, I hope.
Damian Nolan
87 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:35:29
Will someone tell Tyler and Provan to pull their pants up.
Oliver Molloy
88 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:35:34
I'll tell you what sums up tonight's performance for me.

Lukaku has no pride in himself as a footballer.

Barry Kay
89 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:36:53
This fuckin cunt has too go now. I can't do this anymore.
Mike Hughes
90 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:37:23
The sad thing is that at (currently) 4-0 we're getting off lightly.

Would any other PL club with an ounce of ambition still have an employee called Roberto Martinez by midday tomorrow after the debacle of the past 2 seasons up to and including tonight?

He should have gone a year ago.

He is not only incompetent, he's a total embarrassment.

But so are his employers for letting it descend to this.

(And there's still 10 minutes of the torture left.)


Tom R Owen
91 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:37:40
I've supported Everton for 53 years.
Never have I felt so low as I do now.
Toothless... no passion.. no fight – embarrassing.
Jim Starling
92 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:38:49
Bye bye, Roberto....
Ray Smith
93 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:40:00
Total humiliation.

Are you watching Moshiri?

Are you there?

Please excuse my earlier posts, need to take more water with it!!!

Colin Hughes
94 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:40:08
I would have Moyes back tomorrow or even Brendan Rodgers for that matter. Martinez 4-0 there in 2014 and now this – it is the worst run against them in such a short space of time since the 1930s.
Sam Merritt
95 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:40:48
Bring back Moyes! We were verging on top 4 when he left, with a decent squad of players and an idea of how to defend!
Tom Magill
96 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:41:14
Feeling numb watching this, I actually feel sorry for Martinez, he's totally out of his depth.
Stephen Smith
97 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:41:22
Go and go now!
Pete Ellingham
98 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:41:39
I have now turned the tele off as I can't stand this any longer. If Martinez has any respect for himself and our club he should do the decent thing and walk tonight!
Winston Williamson
99 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:42:35
Roberto needs sacking, tonight.

Not a single player who has played tonight should make the team on Saturday! Play the U21s from now until the season's end!

Not one of these players deserves to wear an Everton shirt!! And Roberto simply does not deserve to be at a club such as ours!!

Christopher Dover
100 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:42:52
Brendon Rogers! I would have Roy Rogers, sorry we already have a cowboy in charge.
Peter Jansson
101 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:43:55
Come on... this is totally meaningless. Roberto Martinez is totally unfit for being a football manager. He is not good enough for Division 5.

You can forget Everton until we get a new manager. We have to get rid of him quickly. Forget about the FA Cup. The worst thing that could happen is if Martinez actually manages to win it. Then we are 100% relegated next year.

John Parker
102 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:44:08
Not Martinez's biggest fan, but did he make Joel do a Howard and stay on his line for first goal?

Or did he make Funes Mori commit a stupid tackle right in front of a linesman and the biggest whinging fans around?

Or did he tell superstar Stones to give it straight to Lucas for the third goal?

I turned off at 3-0, just heard it's 4-0, not seen the goal... but I bet it was Roberto's fault

Si Mar
103 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:45:18
If I wake tomorrow and he hasn't been sacked, I'll be devestated.

I thought the Tranmere game was the worst I'd ever seen but this is 100 times worse.

Sam Merritt
104 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:45:34
Let's wait for the excuses after the game!

Got to go!

Moyes – are you up to much at the moment?

Christopher Dover
105 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:45:38
To date Liverpool 33 shots Everton 3
Pool 13 on target Blues 0
Phenomenal
Patrick Carty
106 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:46:06
Martinez is an arrogant prick, and there is absolutely no chance in this world that he would walk.

Thanks, Everton, for another big let down.

Christine Foster
107 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:46:11
The lowest of the low. Kenwright you idiot, "What a manager"... will ring in your ears forever. Total utter disgrace.

There are no other options, no other way forward.

If Roberto is there tomorrow lunchtime then it's down to Kenwright no one else.

What a manager... what a disgrace. And you know, I don't blame any of the players tonight... not one.

Stephen Smith
108 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:46:23
Go and go now save us from further embarrassment, Martinez.
Peter Morris
109 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:46:50
Please, Roberto, do the honourable thing and leave. 10 men aside, your team were incapable of hanging onto the ball for more than a few seconds, before surrendering possession with dreadful distribution, time and time again. Baines and Oviedo have both had their worst games in Blue shirts, but neither worse than the manager.

At least this result should be the catalyst for change, so we can be thankful for small mercies.

Chris Gould
110 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:47:02
Bill has become too matey with him. He hasn't the balls to sack him. We're stuck with him for the rest of the season. Like most fans I wanted him sacked halfway through last season.

When it was obvious it wouldn't happen, I decided to look for the positives and be supportive, but he's taken the fun out of football. I think it's going to take an almighty effort from the fans to make Bill see sense. He needs to be forced to act.

Dean Williams
111 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:47:27
I know there's no point in this comment now, but Stones cost us another goal then faked injury to get off the pitch. No balls for the fight. Can't wait to get rid of him. Tit head.

Kev Johnson
112 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:49:07
It's taking me back to those dark days in the early eighties. Absolutely gutless performance.

Donate all your wages to Speedo Mick . He's come all the way back for that shite.

Timothy Morris
113 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:49:36
This is a fucking disgrace. "A horror night for Everton" – These are kind words.
Ste Byn
114 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:50:06
We showed phenomenal commitment and character upto the first goal. They had tremendous luck in that our defence was a little rusty, the second goal followed against the play, showing that we still had not shook off that rust.

We came out the second half and showed tremendous character. We had control of the game and except for the poor refereeing with the sending off, their fans singing stopping us communicating, and injuries, we would've finished the game strong. We deserved at least a point maybe even could've gone on to win the game.

But, on a positive note, we have a semi-final to look forward to, with a group of young players that are still coming together and learning with every game, we are close to being an excellent team. We just need to concentrate on finishing the season strong. We have worked hard for the last 10 months to be in this position and will show true character and drive to push ourselves through the final games of the season with incredible performances to make the fans proud.

What a manager!

Ernie Baywood
115 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:50:30
I'll never wish us to lose, but at least this game removes any doubt as to Roberto's future beyond this season.

The only question is whether we've got the balls to do it tonight. If it were me I wouldn't even have him do the post match team talk.

Norman Foley
116 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:51:25
The inevitable happened tonight and it hurts. As Everton fans, we all live in hope of better things. I'm sorry to say I cannot see us doing any better on Saturday. Let's just hope Mr Kenwright does the right thing and gets rid of the tactically inept manager.
Peter Jansson
117 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:51:55
Come on. Bill can not be that blind. Now he must kick him out.
Steve Bingham
118 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:52:58
Please, Mr Martinez... If you genuinely care anything at all for our club, resign immediately and let us start to rebuild.
Phil Smith
119 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:53:20
The man has lost the plot. I've not said this at all season until now but I think he has to go. 4-0 to the shite is unforgivable...
Peter Jansson
120 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:54:01
I vote to sack him tonight! Without any doubt.
Tom Magill
121 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:54:41
Christine (#107)

I feel the same our players are rudderless under Martinez but they don't give up. I think, if we can get a good manager in, we will go far with this group of players.

COYB

John Graham
122 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:55:46
Never has a team needed a boost in confidence so much. I don't think Martinez is one to give a Winston Churchill type speech. It's all down hill from here. He's sucked the blood, fight creativity and hope from the team. They are all scared to try anything.

He has dragged us down to the lowest ebb in a long-long time. He needs to go now. We won't win another game this season and if he gets to bring in his signings in the summer and messes it up, the new manager will have nothing to spend.

To Kenwright and Moshiri – listen to the fans .....need I say any more?

Peter Morris
123 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:55:59
Liverpool players are just taking the ball from our players at will. It is a disgrace and I hope they are all ashamed of themselves.
Steve Bingham
124 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:56:03
The board has to act! They have to take charge of the situation... Forget Saturday... It's time for change NOW!!!
Chris Green
125 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:56:15
Fitter, stronger, faster, better technique. But most scarily, they want it more. Never seen so many Everton players walking. We can't pass the ball to a player in blue at all. Sad day to be a blue.
Paul Setter
126 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:56:22
I've got to the stage where I find myself not checking results till full time, not watching and generally not caring... I've no interest and I thank this Buffon for that.

Before, if we lost, it would ruin my weekend; now, it's no real concern and I accept it. If this tool is still in charge next season, then see Villa Mk II.

Jay Woods
127 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:57:17
On what basis do so many think he will be gone by the season's end? What will it take for Kenwright's regime to ever sack anyone?

Because, you know, sacking would be just not "the Everton way".

Brace yourselves for him to be given one more season – incidentally the same line that was trotted out after last season's debacle (which now looks like a good season compared to this scandalous one) – but only this time with funds to strengthen us.

We should change our stupid, meaningless motto to Semper Eadem ("always the same").

Oh, and didn't I say before the game that "form goes out the window in derbies" is a great, big stupid footballing myth?

Paul Curwen
128 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:57:44
Martinez's face at the final whistle... He knows he's getting his P45 tonight/tomorrow.

Good riddance to bad rubbish!!!! ... NSNO

Christine Foster
129 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:58:00
Tom, I agree some changes aside but motivation and inspiration from a new manager is now due. The only crime is that those who could not see it before have had it stuffed up their backside.
Tony Twist
130 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:59:05
This is 16 months in the making for me and I can finally see the end for this clown of a manager. No defenders on the bench, the game was only going to go one way.

Niasse on the bench solely because he cost 㾹.5M, it's Martinez trying to con us fans that he has something to offer and is not a waste of money. The only creditable thing to do is sack him, it claws very slightly some respect back.

The damage had already been done and it has been gross incompetence that we are heading towards the semi final of the FA cup without the manager removed and temporary replacements in place to steady the ship. Roll on Saturday!

Patrick Murphy
131 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:59:23
I usually avoid these games like the plague but I honestly thought that, with a date at Wembley on Saturday, we might just put in a performance to be proud of.... but how wrong was I?

I would leave Lukaku at home on Saturday just to show him what a lazy arse he really is. As for the manager... well he shouldn't be here, should he? But the people in charge think otherwise.

Tom Plant
132 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:59:37
Horrible to admit, but unless Martinez is sacked NOW, I don't know if I want us to win on Saturday else we run the risk of him being here next season. LEAVE NOW, please.......
Colin Hughes
133 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:59:40
Good luck in selling season tickets EFC by the early bird date in May. Can't see many taking up the massive 5% reduction on prices myself. Thank god I disowned mine after the a Walter Smith era and now carefully select my games. See you on Boxing Bay.
Ralph Basnett
134 Posted 20/04/2016 at 21:59:40
Bobby, he (Klopp) was laughing at you and at the end you skulked down the tunnel.

Fookin sacked!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Phil Hoyle
136 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:01:01
I wish I could disagree with the comments on here!

Humiliated!

I really am not looking forward to Saturday which, as a fan is so sad! I remember the excitement of semi-final day – I am at a point where I don't want to watch it... but I will!!!

Feel so fucking miserable!

Scott Hamilton
137 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:01:50
Sack him tonight.

Big Dunc to take over until the end of the season starting with Wembley on Saturday.

Imagine the passion in that pre-match team talk!

"Yay fookin' win or yers gettin' done, capiche?!"

Brent Stephens
138 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:01:58
And to think I gave my Wembley ticket to my son as he's never been to Wembley. Sorry son.
Andy Crooks
139 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:02:18
No personal abuse if Martinez, just an opinion that he is out of his depth, inept, the worst manager in our history, possibly the worst manager ever in the premier league.

Tonight saw him bewildered and clueless. It would be an act of mercy to consign him to our history. To pay him enough that he need never have to embarrass himself again.

He has made fools of us. He has made our club a laughing stock. Another Martinez-induced shameful show.

Oliver Molloy
140 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:03:11
Tom,

They don't give up - did you watch our 㿞 million pound striker try tonight. He was a fucking disgrace. He was playing against a terrible footballer in Sako and he was intimated – no bottle and that went back to the derby at our place.

The same player slides into McCarthy in the 94th minute just to let him know if you get me. Fucking shite footballer is Sako but he's a leader and we have none – not fucking one.

We can blame Martinez all we want – the players have no pride.

Jay Harris
141 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:03:33
As we said before kick-off, to have Oviedo RB and no defenders on the bench while finding a seat for Niasse was disgraceful.

The man is a total amateur in fact he is not even that good.

If bullshit Billy doesn't sack him after that I fear for the club.

Kris Boner
142 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:04:35
Adios señor, it's over now guys. You guys don't even need to question it. He will not last the summer.

Can we talk about something else now?

Craig Walker
143 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:04:35
At 2-0 down in that game against Wimbledon, even with Mike Walker as manager I had some hope. I had no hope tonight even before a ball was kicked. Says it all.

There's been mainly lows supporting Everton but this is new depths. I don't ever want to see John Stones in our shirt again. Rom can chase his Champions League dream. Did he kick the ball tonight?

Barkley is not good enough. McCarthy offers nothing. Baines is past it. Etc etc.

Andy King
144 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:04:43
What can you possibly say about that?!? I can't remember seeing an Everton side so lifeless.

Was Stones injured when he went off? It looked like he'd just had enough and spewed it...

Karl Jones
145 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:05:07
Everything is so predictable with this pathetic club. Sack the manager. Sack everyone and start again! Shambles. No discipline.
Peter Morris
146 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:05:10
Duncan in charge for the semi-final? What odds will the bookies put on that in the morning?

Martinez should move to USA with Tim. The footie they play over there would suit him. Five-a-side on full sized pitches and no physical contact.

Andrew Wayne
147 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:05:18
The Everton Way or not the only way that Martinez is getting sacked is for the fans to make it clear in the remaining games. Saturday is a red herring and if we have a team to field on tonight's showing it is not going to end well. Banners, songs, chants, protests, silence, walkouts - choose your poison. There is an adage that goes you need a crisis to bring about a change and BK and RM will still not see that there is a crisis.
Andy Crooks
148 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:05:25
We can win the cup, we can finish the season in style. Sacking Martinez can be the catalyst. He should be gone tomorrow.
Ian Riley
149 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:05:27
I will take 4-0. It could have been 8 and should have been.

A new low tonight. Miles apart in the city and in the league. If the owners, whoever they are, must act. Gone past selecting players to blame. If the manager has any self-respect, he will resign tonight.

Keith Glazzard
150 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:05:32
Adios, adeu Roberto.
Barry Kelly
151 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:05:41
Make us proud, eh Roberto. Our defining week!

Bill Kenwright, please wake up. Martinez will never walk away. He will be sacked sooner or later and will never again manage a club of Everton's stature. Mr Moshiri will look to you for guidance and while your loyalty is admirable, it is totally misguided.

The only question is whether you get rid now......or wait till he has frittered away 𧴜+ million and left us in a precarious position 12 months from now. Because, sadly that is inevitable unless you act NOW!

Damian Nolan
152 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:06:17
RM is one thing – all that needs to be said has been said – but what about Lukaku?

I have been chastised many times in the Upper Bullens stand for saying this but I just can't stand him. I don't want anyone telling me his isolated or gets poor service. He is over-rated, lazy, selfish and a negative influence on the team.

Brian Williams
153 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:07:16
I'd like to offer a big thanks to Liverpool for tonight because, after that, MARTINEZ MUST BE SACKED!
Tony Draper
154 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:08:43
SACK HIM NOW!
Gavin Johnson
155 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:09:15
I think sacking him tonight is the only thing that might work and give us a lift before Saturday. After tonight's performance we won't win. If he's gone, it might just be the catalyst for the players to pull their thumbs out of their arses and play with some passion.


Mike Hughes
156 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:09:33
Yes Brian #153, let's look on the bright side.
And there's another positive.
Only 4-0. How bad are the rs?

I'm hoping to wake up to the news that RM has left 'by mutual consent'.

The board thought he was crap. And he agreed.


Dean Rolstone
157 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:11:30
Well, playing our full strength team spectacularly backfired tonight. Our under 21's could've matched that score plus we'd not have suspensions and injuries to contend with for Wembley.

It is looking like a Besic and Galloway centre back partnership on Saturday with McCarthy and Cleverley or Gibson (if Barry is crocked) in the midfield. I'm not sure tonight could've gone worse if the biggest pessimist wrote the script.

We need a change NOW as this is not good enough for our magnificent club, although I'm sure nothing will happen until the summer at the earliest.

Well I'll be travelling down to Wembley in hope rather then expectation, there must be one more positive game this season, please let it be this weekend but I and I'm guessing no-one else can feel it.

Jay Woods
158 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:13:16
Damian Nolan: I agree re Lukaku. Besides, he has dishonoured the club in the Belgian press, a crime so serious for me that he should have been told his career at Everton is over come the end of the season.
Alexander O'Brien
159 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:13:26
Not arsed about tonight or that shower across the park. Saturday's the one. Will Funes Mori be suspended??
Kevin Elliott
160 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:13:33
I'm going to bed now as I am up at 5am.

I hope that when I awake and read the news that the headlines will be that Martinez has got the boot.

Night all. NSNO.

Gareth Ashman
161 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:14:18
To see the difference Klopp has made at LFC is incredible. Martinez isn't fit to lace his boots. Walk the walk, or piss off out of our club. Whatever you do, please don't talk, not even to your nan on her birthday!

Funes Mori, hang your head in absolute shame. Apologise to the players, fans and also Origi. Immediately. Gobshite!

Rom, keep your gob shut, get your head down and launch into the MUFC defence like a wild animal on Saturday. Ross, grow up and do the same!

Jags' wife, wrap him up in bubble wrap and lie him in an empty bath until Saturday.

Stones, do the opposite of everything you're told until you leave.

COYB.

Kunal Desai
162 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:14:29
Please, Please Please.....just go now, please just fucking go! It is getting embarrassing game by game. I want it to end now!
Dan Walker
163 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:15:14
Time for Martinez to go. We've become an embarrassment. Even worse, a predictable embarrassment.

Martinez has no "Plan B" and he's been found wanting time and time again over the past couple of seasons, with ineffectual or calamitous substitutions and tactical changes. After almost 3 seasons in charge, we've gone backwards. How is that possible, when on paper we have the most talented squad that I can remember in the last 25+ years? Simple – he's lost the belief of the players.

For the last few months, there's been a half-hearted attitude in most of the team performances and the fact that he's been unable to eradicate this only strengthens the argument that he's lost the dressing room.

Please, let's move on. Let's restore some pride, some hope and provide some fresh impetus before the end of the season.

We don't need any drastic squad rebuilding in the summer, we just need to install an experienced manager who commands respect and who knows what he's doing.

Adios, Roberto.

Anto Byrne
164 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:16:41
Failed to register one shot on target the whole match and had less than 30% possession. Of course we were right in it until the send off and we were incredibly fortunate not to be 8 or 9 down given the shite had 35 shots on goal and 20 on target.

This game is a defining moment for Martinez, he has proved once and for all he is not up to it. We can't go on like this it's an absolute joke.

Tony Twist
165 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:16:52
Duncan to take temporary charge, no thanks! Who have we got with the most experience because that is what we need now until the end of the season. Sheedy and Unsworth it would probably have to be but let's face it, it's too late to make much of a difference.
John Grills
166 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:17:03
WOW!
What the hell was that?

I have always defended Martinez - great guy, great footballing philosophy, treats players, club and fans with respect. Good signings and wants to play attractive football.

However, tonight shows once again that he is out of his depth. What was he saying about football being about results?
Id like to add that tonights display was shocking, not just because of the result, but the staggering tactical ineptitude on display was truly shocking and appalling.

Like others have said, id like to thank Liverpool for actually helping Everton tonight. In the long run we will be glad that tonight is the night any hint or possibility that anyone connected with the club might have that Martinez is the right manager for the future will have been dispelled.

Better he goes now than he stays and continues to regress the club. Hell, id takes Moyes over him in a heartbeat and thats really saying something . Moyes had his failings, but man he was never as bad as this, at least not consistently!!

Stephen Brown
167 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:17:03
Spot on, Carragher.
Jim Bailey
168 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:17:34
It sticks in my throat to say this, but Brian @153 I agree. Thing is, it's not just Martinez who needs a size 10 up his hoop, but Kenwright as well. Over to you, Mr Moshiri. Get shut of the pair of them, I have never been so embarrassed at watching my team.

That could have easily been 7 or 8 tonight. God forbid I have to listen to Martinez say we did well with 10 men. We are in a defining mom.......
Yeah, you all get it. Get this lunatic out of my club now!

Joe O'Brien
169 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:18:04
Nothing like a nice confidence booster ahead of a big semi final eh lads? Embarrassing is a understatement.

"What a manager" is right. I bet Bill is regretting making that stupid remark.

William Cartwright
170 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:18:43
I've just got back from the pub, read the comments and am amazed at the comments calling for the players to take responsibility and leave etc.

IT'S THE FUCKING MANAGEMENT THAT SHOULD GO – NOT THE PLAYERS!

Good management is the key; bad management is the killer!

Andrew Clare
171 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:19:17
Sadly a totally unsurprising result. Which will be followed by another predictable defeat on Saturday. Big changes are needed at our club
Jimmi James
172 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:19:58
Stones.. stomach cramps and felt sick... FFS – how sick are we, lad???
Ian Cowhig
173 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:20:19
I don't care who is in charge on Saturday. As long as it is not Martinez. Ferguson and Barry can pick the team.

So much for making sure we have a team available for Saturday. No CBs, no right back and a left back who looks dis-interested.

I have heard that there are different cliques in the dressing room. That he knows about it, but believes they should work it out themselves. What a great leader that is.

We need someone who can galvanise this team for Saturday. Otherwise we will end up with another embarrassment again.

Oliver Molloy
174 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:20:21
John Stones was subbed because he was ill with stomach cramps, according to Martinez.
Tony Williams
175 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:20:42
Youngsters like Barkley and Stones should be castigated, they are making mugs of us all picking up a weekly wage that the ordinary man doesn't see in 5 years.

As youngsters, their desire to play football isn't there, they are both a liability, or are we as fans so stupid to pay to watch these inept players who (and I reiterate) are taking us for mugs?

Don Alexander
176 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:20:48
4-0 and our keeper was our MotM by miles.

Short of all running to the touchline and serially kicking him in the bollocks, the players couldn't make any clearer what they too think of The Incredible One.

Andy Crooks
177 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:21:05
Could any of the 7% on the ToffeeWeb poll who want the coach here next season put up an article explaining why? Honestly, I would be interested.
John Hammond
178 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:21:05
When you think things can't get any worse and they do, it's time for a long overdue decision to be made.
Conor Skelly
179 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:21:52
Closet I've ever come to tears watching Everton. Utterly humiliating and undermining of this great club. The shot stats were more embarrassing than the result. Sack him now and give everyone a boost. No fight, no organisation, no shape, no leaders, no heart, no clue, no manager. Heartbreaking performance.
Neil Lawson
180 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:22:00
Oh come on, guys. We did have 3 shots. If Bobby is truly hopeless, he would have picked Koné and then we wouldn't have had any shots.

I thought we did quite well in the pre-match warm up. RM will have them in early tomorrow for extra training getting on and off the Wembley coach. Confident they will look good.

I can't wait for TalkSport in the morning.

Bill Gall
181 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:23:18
What was Martinez saying about we have to get our home form as good as our away form?
Christine Foster
182 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:23:34
Stones stomach cramps? So he left the team without a Centre half?? More like he was sick to be here, no stones has Stones.
Gareth Evans
183 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:23:37
Been visiting the site for a few years now but first time I'm going to comment based on the shambolic performance tonight.

Roberto cannot / doesn't know how to play a defensive game!

He picked a team that was far too offensively orientated for where the team is at at the moment (i.e so low on confidence) for a visit to Anfield. We needed to be tight and compact tonight and defend as if our lives depended on it. I know we had injuries in the back line but we needed more steel in the team (Besic from the start instead of Mirallas for 1) but that isn't the 'Martinez way' he just doesn't know how to set a team up to defend.

He has to go!.....and before the weekend might be enough to give us a chance.....might.
Phil Hoyle
184 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:23:38
Hate Roberto or love him but he has given a very honest post-match interview tonight.

Andy Meighan
185 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:24:05
Scott (#137), are you real? In case you hadn't noticed, that bellend is part of the coaching staff and another one who sits there fiddling while Rome burns. And like Jay Woods said. Get real hes going nowhere.

Protest until your blue in the face, Kenwright won't sack him if only just to prove a point, the stubborn old twat. We'll get to keep him at our peril because mark my word, we'll be like Aston Villa this time next season. Kenwright and that board have not got one ounce of respect for our wonderful loyal fans. If they did, they'd sack him first thing in the morning.

No doubt the clown will blame the sending off – wont wash, I'm afraid. We were already 2-0 down. Defensively we are a shambles; was anyone really shocked we got a hiding? I wasn't... I actually said it'd be 3-0 but, hey ho, it could've been 8-0, they were that rampant. Again, Its hard to take though. And ill have to face them at work in the morning. Cant wait

Colin Hughes
186 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:24:14
A Kopite on Radio Merseyside phone in just then claiming it was the easiest game he has ever seen them have – and he didn't sound young either. Says it all about our pile of shite. Certs to be the Villa of next season without major, major change.
Mike Powell
187 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:24:48
Absolutely disgusting display. When I wake up for work in the morning, that fucking clown had better be gone...
Tony Hill
188 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:24:53
We are fortunate that we are safe this season. There are, in fact, grounds for optimism at the club given the money now available, our young players and, yes, the first team squad or some of it at least.

It is very clear that Martinez has long since lost the players. He simply must go and Kenwright should follow. With a good manager, next season could yet be a success. If we keep Martinez, we will be relegated. Simple choice in my view.

Jimmi James
189 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:25:04
It was, Colin.
Peter Gorman
190 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:25:58
William Cartwright – it is actually both, mate. A true blue he may be but Barkley is a gormless child compared to the real prospects in Europe and we should actually recognise this for once. Other players (including Stones) are just gutless pussies, there is no excuse for failing so hard even with shit management.

The best prospect at the club by a mile is Galloway, simply because he believes in himself and cares nothing for the reputation of his opponents. The rest can do one, including Lukaku. Performances like this and more will not fade from the memory easily.

I personally hate the management I work for with a passion, they are totally incompetent. Nevertheless I do my job because of something called professionalism. They don't get off the hook just because the buck happens to stop with Martinez.

Stephen Brown
191 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:26:03
Spot on again, Carragher.
Jay Wood
192 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:26:18
Any one left in the 'silent majority' Roberto referred to the other day who still believe this "is going to end up successfully” ...?

What a mess... what a shambles.

Steavey Buckley
193 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:26:44
When Everton beat Manchester united in the semi-finals of the FA Cup in 1966, they played basically a reserve team at Leeds united. And that was a FULL week before the game was played. So why on earth Everton fans were calling for full strength team 3 days before the big game, beggars belief.

Everton were not going to win the game tonight, too many players were keeping themselves fit for Saturday and nothing else to play for. Yet, Everton managed to lose Fune Mori to a red card, so is suspended for 3 games. Stones left the field ill or injured and Barry did not return for the second half. A disaster of a game in more ways than one.

Mike Hughes
194 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:26:47
Martinez, post match:

"The red card leaves you in a position where the game from then on is a non-event. It is a really hurtful experience.

"At the moment, we are facing strong adversity but we have to switch attention to the big game at the weekend."

So full of crap it is beyond words. How did it go? The first 12 games was difficult. The real Everton will show in the next 12 games. Oh, I meant the next 12 games... Now Saturday.

Incompetent and embarrassing.

Gerard Carey
195 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:26:47
Just one word: 'BRUTAL'.
Philip Yensen
196 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:27:30
A discussion on a sports programme said that fans don't need to pay to get in, there is enough money through telly rights etc.

Everton have misunderstood, they must think they don't need the fans. Keep this shit going and Martinez in charge the ground will be fucking empty.

I pity the poor bastards that have got tickets for Wembley.
John Francis
197 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:28:03
RM just said Stones having the shits caused a chain reaction. The mans a fucking comedian and he doesn't know it.
Christine Foster
198 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:28:11
Carragher? What's he saying?
Karl Jones
199 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:28:37
Actually, the club (not the fans) are getting what they deserve for hiring a manager who just got his former club relegated. What other Premier League team would ever do that?

If he's left in charge next season, we will be down, make no mistake.

Mike Hughes
200 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:29:25
John... that's the first laugh of the night. Chain reaction!!!
Mike Green
201 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:29:27
There is no way he can survive after that, and the look on his face when the third went in said it all. He knows it and probably can't believe he's still here. It's now just a matter of when, not if.

Sell Lukaku for 㿨m. Give 㾶m pa to a world class manager with a three-year deal plus the 㿊m change, the 𧴜m TV money and any proceeds from sales / wages that he can gather up for a new squad.

The only reason I wouldn't sack him tonight would be to give Liverpool the added satisfaction and cherry on tonight's cake. I'd leave that accolade to Man Utd on Saturday, just to wind them up.

Goodbye, Roberto.

Steve Pugh
202 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:30:26
I don't even feel angry. Normally if I am forced to watch on TV and we are playing that badly, I get really angry and switch it off.

Tonight, I just sat there, no anger, certainly no pleasure no matter how hard I look. I am just done in. I know that I will watch on Saturday but if Martinez is on the bench we will lose, and I reckon my brother-in-law won't even take the mick.

Please, for my sanity, sack Martinez now.

Trevor Peers
203 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:31:04
Must be the worst point in the club's HISTORY !

No excuses just bad management throughout, from TOP to BOTTOM, tells it's own harrowing story, very sad indeed.

Moyes good grounding, for all those years, has been gradually eroded.

Tommy Coleman
204 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:31:42
As bad as it could have been tonight. The sad thing about it is that we all felt it was coming.

Martinez finally being honest in an interview is no consolation.

I'll be there on Saturday and will do my best to shake off this dread.

Max Murphy
205 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:31:53
Steavey (#193),

Totally agree. Sandy Brown was made captain for the game against Leeds, and we got fined for fielding reserves. The thing is, Martinez is tactically inept – and cannot see the obvious – we now have barely half a team for Saturday.

Paul Andrews
206 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:31:57
Any club with a bit of sense would appeal the red card allowing Mori to play on Saturday.

Are we a club with any sense?
Chris Gould
207 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:32:37
For those that missed the post match interview:

Waffled his way out of answering the question: "There was already huge pressure on you personally. What has that done to you tonight. In terms of pressure on you?"

So the reporter asks: "How much do you feel you're fighting for your job?"
Roberto waffled his way out of that one too. You could tell he was feeling the strain.

Once the media sense blood, they're relentless. This may get ugly.

Christine Foster
208 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:32:53
Makes Moyer look like a world class manager, it's that bad...
Frank Thomas
209 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:33:19
Stones keeps losing the ball as if to say you should have sold me to Chelsea and Rom now has realised if he plays badly he will be sold in the summer.

The big problem is that we could still be relegated.
I said after the WHU game that Roberto had lost the dressing room and every performance since has proven that. Big big question can we win again this season with Roberto in Charge?

I that think after we lose against Man Utd this weekend Roberto will be sacked. 40 shots against 3 cannot be defended by either bad luck, poor referee decisions or under strength team none of those excuses work.
Bye Roberto.

John Francis
210 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:33:20
Kenwright out now.
David Mosses
211 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:34:29
I never switch the TV off when watching Everton but I'm getting to the stage were I can't be bothered watching them. This is worse than the Mike Walker era; I'm afraid this joke of a manager and some of his so called super stars have to go. John Stones thinks he's something he's not and as for Funes Mori well I can't think of the words.

What's the point going to Wembley, we know the result before we've kicked off, so best thing to do is sack Martinez right now and if that happens we might have a chance, a small one but at least a chance. With this clown, we have no chance.

Charlie Lloyd
212 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:34:48
To be fair, the Martinez interview on Sky was "Okay". I've heard worse. I know we are all emotional right now but take it as it was.

Still reckon he is not fit for the job though.

Stones subbing and explanation was a bit bizarre. Reckon the manager covered for him and the young man just bottled it.

Ray Robinson
213 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:35:51
Chris (#207), yes, I noticed that too. Carragher stated that it was Martinez's best interview because he was honest but I feel that he ducked those two questions with yet more bullshit.
Guy Hastings
214 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:37:37
No defender on the bench in a derby. Unfuckingbelieveable. And Stones can fuck right off. White Men Can't Jump could be his biopic.
Colin Glassar
215 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:37:56
Tommy C, that's the sad thing. Is anyone really surprised by the result/performance tonight?

Chris G, I thought, for the first time, he was surprisingly honest in his interview. He said we were an embarrassment and we were.

Thank god I'll be working on Saturday so I won't have to watch another mauling.

Colin Oakes
216 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:38:40
Kids asking me can they miss school tomorrow, miss Wembley on Saturday and not to renew season tickets for next year! What do I tell them?

I'm 53 and can't remember feeling so low as an Evertonian. I think it's the thought that things can only get worse from here on in. The most worrying part is even without Martinez the players seem like they would not give a fuck.

So much for the best squad since the '80s... don't make laugh. Not one of these overpaid shithouses would get in any of those '80s sides... not one.

Steve Brown
217 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:39:03
All set for Wembley. No Jagielka, Coleman, Funes Mori, Barry, Galloway ... no pride, dignity, self-respect, courage or commitment from the players... and no clue from the manager.

Only consolation is that it will all be over very soon.

Charlie Lloyd
218 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:40:25
Guy @ 214.

No defender on the bench in a derby. I picked up on that and totally agree.

"What a manager" that's not fit to manage.

Darryl Ritchie
219 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:40:59
Everton is broken...and while by no means an expert in most football matters, I do have a few ideas;

Maybe...
Get rid of a totally clueless manager. He is the main reason we're broken.

We have striker who doesn't want to be here. Sit him down for the rest of the season.

Let every player in a blue shirt know that they are playing for their jobs. Do a complete reassessment at seasons end, and move the deadwood out.

But most of all, get in a new manager!!!

John Crook
220 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:42:10
Right then, who the fuck should we have now because I've no idea?

Never been so unaffected by an abject performance against Liverpool. That in itself speaks volumes. Stones is a little boy who was clearly sulking at half-time so pretended he was sick in an attempt to avoid playing. In the end, he just plainly refused. Stomach bug my arse!

Charlie Lloyd
221 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:42:48
Oviedo up against Martial on Saturday.

That worries me.

Get well soon Seamus.

Colin Hughes
222 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:42:56
Might as well play the youths at Wembley – they will show more pride than Shite like McCarthy, Barkley, Stones et al.
Liam Wilson
223 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:43:28
Yes, Everton ARE broken. This will pass... to be replaced by more of the same.
Colin Glassar
225 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:44:38
If Roberto had any sense of pride, or shame, he'd resign tonight (or Saturday evening at the latest) as its obvious the team is not playing for him.

Once your workforce gives up on you one of the parties has to go. I'm not defending him but players like Baines, Mirallas, Lukaku etc....even Ross, are just going through the motions and it must be humiliating for him.

Do the correct thing Roberto and go. BK will pay you every last penny but go before you are sacked. Then the next manager can sort out the men from the boys in this team.

Peter Cummings
227 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:45:26
Up till their first goal we were well in the game, after the second we became shambolic, heads dropped and our usual pattern of passing to the opposition and losing every 50/50 tackle asserted itself, the red card was justified, that we got away with only 4-0 was a miracle in itself, only for Robles it could have been seven plus,


Apart from Robles only Lennon came out with any credit, Lukaku was dire losing every header and generally a liability, a leader he is not at least we were licked by 'lord forgive me' a far superior outfit with a manager of real passion and will to win, which instills his team to follow suit, someone EFC now needs to put the pride back in the Blue shirt, and hearts of our wonderful wonderful fans.

James Marshall
228 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:45:57
It really isn't about the players – when Brenda left the RS they were shit, now with essentially the same players, they're firing. It IS down to the management.

Good managers can make players better, and can create a team that gels. Martinez needs to be fired tonight.

Steavey Buckley
229 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:46:01
Max 205. The majority of Everton fans are as much to blame as Martinez for Everton's defeat and the problems it poses for Saturday's match, by demanding a full strength team against Liverpool tonight, when common sense said otherwise.

As for Saturday, Man United must be laughing their heads off seeing Everton's casualty list and Funes Mori suspended on the back of a thumping against the old foe.

Dean Rolstone
230 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:46:05
Finally an honest post match interview by Martinez but please let us remember it as his last.

Although as Paul #206 says, if we appeal the red for Funes Mori the FA won't have enough time to deal with it and he could be free to play on Saturday evening.

Jim Bennings
231 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:46:59
The players like Baines, Barkley, Mirallas and Lukaku just going through the motions are they?

Well dislike the manager or not they are a complete disgrace and should be ashamed to pick up a wage.

Lacking talent is one thing but lacking heart is totally unforgivable.

Fraser Auld
232 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:47:02
Watching derby games since 1990 with my Liverpool supporting dad and brother has often been a painful experience but tonight was a new low, by a distance. My dad and brother were too embarrassed to give me any stick...humiliating!
Chris Gould
233 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:48:06
Colin G, I thought he was honest to a point. He was happy to point out mistakes by his players. He would say "We didn't defend well or do the basics well." That's the players, not him. He was directly asked about his own job twice and he went into waffle mode.

Don't get me wrong. It can't be nice being put on the spot like that, but he completely avoided answering both the questions. Although, honesty at that point may have been expecting too much.

As I said, now the reporters smell blood, he's in for a rough time.

Bob Heyward
234 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:48:13
Painful on so, so many levels. Sadly, this miserable end was so very predictable – the capitulation up The Hill of Piss in 2014 was the first portent of El Clown's defensive ineptitude and lack of any Plan B.

So, where do we go from here? Well, Martinez's apologists have finally realised the obvious, so we are at least united. 'Believing in Bobby' and 'backing him to the hilt' have been replaced, finally, by more rational appraisals. He has to go.

The question now is whether that decision will be too late to retain the positives that took so long to build. The greatest positive is the squad, which we all suspect has the potential for greatness within it. But by bottling the decision last January, have we lost our chance to keep our team's young backbone: Lukaku, Stones and Barkley? The unknown element in that equation – perhaps our only thin hope – is Moshiri; how will he manage this?

God knows it's a mess, and one that could have been avoided by strong action last year. I just hope for a miracle in the Cup to give us something to rally around, followed by the kind of prompt, sound, uncompromising leadership from the Club that has been missing for two-years.

Darryl Ritchie
235 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:48:43
Everton, the players, ARE broken.

Everton, the club, IS broken; from the top down.

Mike Allen
236 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:48:47
Best squad for years we have all gone along with the hype, hoodwinked for 3 seasons. After the 6-2 Sunderland game on the radio phone in a guy was lambasted by the presenter for having a go at the team after such a big win. How right he was spot on, manager pundits all kidding us in believing we are a top four team.

Who ever comes in has got a big big job on his hands it has to be a Moyes-type manager tonight was dreadful but lets hope at last the penny has dropped we've seen through the hype.

RM is in a hole of his own making with his claptrap, parting shot: I think he will play Howard in the semi
Ray Robinson
237 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:49:45
Colin #225 why are you including Baines in your list? He still looks as though he cares to me. Manager's failings aside, it does look as though we should have cashed in on Barkley and Stones, doesn't it? Maybe I'm over-reacting.
Clive Lewis
238 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:49:58
Martinez should be sacked now, he has lost the dressing room. The players probable don't want to play for him.

Is it possible that BK is trying to save money at Everton and the fans expense. He has made some clearly shocking statements concerning Roberto s abilities recently.

Only time will tell!

Andy Walker
239 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:50:28
My worst fears about this man ever since he was appointed have just been confirmed tonight I'm afraid. He was a failure at Wigan (I have never counted the lucky cup win, that was thanks to Phil Neville) and it was clear to me that he would repeat same at our club. He's just taken us to one of the darkest places our great club has ever been.

He will take us further down the road to oblivion if he's still in his job next season. I predicted relegation on his appointment and was laughed at by posters at the time (now most have disappeared) sadly the reality has now dawned.

On a positive note Moshiri hasn't invested in our club for his pension, he will get rid of Martinez, just a question of when. Thank God Bill did the Moshiri deal. Without it we really would be fooked.

Tony Rutherford
240 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:51:55
Colin 216 my son asked exactly the same thing. He was nearly in tears when the 7 mins added time went up. He even asked if the ref would finish early like when he was playing for the under 8's in a one-sided game! Doesn't want to go to Wembley now either. Absolutely gutted
James Marshall
241 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:52:39
You only had to look at Barkley's face when he was taken off to know what ALL the players think of the manager. And that prick Jones laying into Funes Mori when he walked off – he can go fuck himself (Jones that is).
Martin Nicholls
242 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:52:42
Kenwright said "what a manager", I say "what a chairman/Evertonian". Both statements equally ridiculous.
Chris Gould
243 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:53:00
Paul 206: is that right? There's no way it would be heard before Saturday? Interesting.

Not sure Kenwright would do it. He'd say it's not the Everton way.

Trevor Peers
244 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:53:08
Buckley (#229),

How can the fans be blamed for that shambles? IDIOT!
Fans have paid money tonight to watch that shite – don't insult their intelligence... Roberto does that already.

Clive Mitchell
245 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:53:22
Abject. It's hard to care about Saturday other than that we don't suffer another humiliation. That would require a performance from the team, not being second to every ball and outfought on every challenge. I'm sorry but you can't preside over what we witnessed tonight and stay manager. Catastrophic.
Charlie Lloyd
246 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:53:59
I'm not overtly blaming Martinez for tonight. The team he put out was about as good as he could on paper. But when the concentration went we were soon 2-0 down then it went pear-shaped.

He gave it a go tonight but you can't just turn it on for certain games – you need to gain momentum. This is Martinez the manager. Unable to get that and that's why we are where we are now.

He needs to go if we are to progress – no matter if we win on Saturday or, as mad as it sounds, won the Cup.

Guy Hastings
247 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:54:26
Paul 206 - any club with any pride would not appeal the red card. It was a horrible foul (and I like Funes Mori a lot) and he had to go. Sahko on Mirallas and you'd be screaming to a life ban.
Jim Bailey
248 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:54:27
DO ONE BOBBY
AND TAKE BK WITH YOU

I've watched countless games down the years in which EFC have been comprehensively beaten, but I have never ever witnessed such a gutless, spineless display as this. And you Bobby, you stand on the touchline, arms folded looking like you don't give a fuck.

Do all us Evertonians a huge favour and get lost. BK and MOSHIRI where do you both stand on this issue?

One of you, or preferably both of you come out with something that is meaningful to us fans. Surely Moshiri, you haven't invested all that money into a club unless you have a plan.

Anytime you feel that is good to divulge info to us is good. Sooner rather than later though eh?

Andy Walker
249 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:54:30
Yes a man of dignity with respect for his employer and fans would offer their resignation tonight. Does anyone really think this is a description of Martinez?

This will be his last job in the EPL, probably the UK, so he will look after number 1. He will need to be pushed.

Jim Bennings
251 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:54:48
Cash in on any of them we wouldn't miss them.

Let's face it even before Martinez arrived to make things worse they have never been able to break the shackles of being known as big game bottlers.

Waste of space the lot of them, they'll never win a trophy and never ever rarely win a game we don't expect.

Colin Hughes
252 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:55:44
I warned blues on a TW thread about 4 weeks ago to prepare yourselves for your worst week supporting us since the final week of the 198-86 season when we lost the double to the redshite in seven days.

I hate to reiterate myself but but phase one is complete. Nothing ever changes on the big occasions for us so only expect a third defeat this season to a poor Manchester United side on Saturday.

James Marshall
253 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:55:58
People may not want to blame the manager for the goals we shipped, especially the first two but is him telling them to zonal mark and stand off that costs us – add to that the lack of belief the players have and that's down to Martinez.

He must be fired ASAP.

James Marshall
254 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:56:57
Besic and Barry centre halves on Saturday? And to think I took a day off work to fucking watch it!
Mike Keating
255 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:57:12
35 efforts to 3
Humiliating
Colin Malone
256 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:57:14
No fucken passion in a derby match? Get Big Joe in for the semi. At least we will see passion.

Barkley asked to go off because he wanted to go for a maccies. Humiliated and Embarrassed.

Ged Simpson
257 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:57:15
Are we broken

No
Never.

If we represent our emotional weaknesses
..then maybe we just boo-hoo and support Leicester for 10 mins

Man up

55 years. Seen shite teams
Not shit fans though.

Enough. Saturday is close.


Clive Lewis
258 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:57:32
Chris, you are right – it's not the Everton way when in concerns compensation payments. Only time will tell!!!
Charlie Lloyd
259 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:57:50
Graham Jones eh!

First time I've seen him animated. He knows he's at the pinnacle of his trade.

Bit unfair for him to be shouting the odds at this game when he would have gained more respect doing it about 18 months ago at Hull away and countless times until tonight.

Jones. Not worthy of a wage from EFC.

Jim Bailey
260 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:58:18
Steavey Buckley @229
You're not really a blue are you?
If you are then shame on you for those comments.
Martin Nicholls
261 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:58:37
Paul - 206. Been saying that to my mates. Others would play the system and risk the additional ban that a frivolous appeal brings. EFC too amateurish to even consider it.
Mathew McKay
262 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:59:03
Surely in not the only blue thinking it but we seem to all forget the main issue that this whole process is fixed.

Or maybe we're in denial. But for God's sake, they had months to decide when to rearrange the Derby game. They waited and waited until we had an important game and lo and behold they organise the Derby 3 days before a semi in which we have the best chance in winning a cup since 1995.

Call me a conspiracy theorist or whatever, but I have plenty more than that and so do the rest of us when we have a good think about it.

The only time this will all change is when we scream and shout when a throw in or any decision isn't given our way (like the scum across the park), when we start challenging referees decisions or simply having a home crowd that actually make a difference.

Let's start by at least replacing the manager to give us all some hope. The rest will follow.

Tony Hill
263 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:59:20
Marshall Foch: "My centre is giving way, my right is in retreat; situation excellent. I shall attack." We might as well have a bit of that for Saturday; everyone will expect a drubbing and they may be right, but fuck it I'm going to enjoy myself and I suggest we all do - and you never know.

There's a type of serenity that sets in when things get this bad and anything at all we achieve now this season is a bonus. Always darkest before the dawn etc. BUT we must act decisively for next season and in time for a new manager to plan and make a difference bearing in mind the Euros; that means RM must go after the semi-final regardless (I assume he won't go before).

Mike Green
264 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:59:21
James #241 - absolutely right, I'm surprised Funes Mori didn't stick one on him. I looked at that and thought 'shit...if that's going on in front of house what's going on behind closed doors...' What a prick.

Out. Out. Out.

Bobby Thomas
265 Posted 20/04/2016 at 22:59:42
I've wanted this fella gone since Xmas 2014. There were things happening on the pitch that I knew only lead one way. Trouble.

Some standards have to apply at SOME point surely? He has to be dismissed tonight.

Its gone beyond any useful purpose. It's beyond rescue. He's so far out of his depth, so far away from knowing what it takes to be successful at this level he has no chance. The players know it. We know it. What can possibly be the purpose of keeping him on?

Ian Smitham
266 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:00:18
Mike #201, have to agree. I have stood on Kop with Blues singing "Where's your Kenny gone?" after he quit. Don't want them to be able to reinvent same...
Martin Nicholls
267 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:00:21
Jones making a play for caretaker manager's job? God forbid!
Joe O'Brien
268 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:00:25
I don't think we're broken. As James said, with a different manager this team can really go places. The players are just following RM's stupid instructions.

The only Brightside of tonight's horror show is that his time is finally up. We are so so lucky that we're not being regulated this season.

With the talent that this squad is got, it's hard to believe what this man had got us in such a state. It's a great idea to appeal the red card so Funes Mori is available for Saturday.

Jim Bennings
269 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:00:58
Mentality at Everton has been the same for years, with Moyes it was always the glass ceiling that we could never break through but at least Moyes painted the shit a lighter shade of brown.

Martinez won't even reach that glass ceiling again.

Andy Walker
270 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:01:05
Jim 248, BK certainly did do one, that is, one hell of a deal finding a UK based billionaire with experience in the EPL who is prepared to invest 𧴜m's in our club at a time of global financial crisis.

Moshiri calls the shots now. Bill lived up to his promise and found us a billionaire.

Over to you Moshiri...

Dick Fearon
271 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:02:02
Go, you incompetent clown, for God's sake, GO!!!

And take that bunch of Wigan rubbish with you.

Anto Byrne
272 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:02:23
Everton have not won at Anfield since 1999; when was the last time they won at Wembley? Not looking good for Saturday is it?
Andrew James
273 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:02:35
Andy Walker,

Wigan cup win – spot on. Their first goal involved fouling and the other two were pure Phil Neville.

Something else was going on then that day because us not scoring against Wigan at home was weird. I have always suspected the players knew Moyes was going around then.

Phil Malone Jnr
274 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:02:52
Jim Bennings - Spot on mate. No heart, no passion.

I'd have Moyes back in a heart beat. May not be met with much here, but he's organized.

Moyes didnt have money to spend and he turned us into a team. His hands were tied with Bill and the board financially. He's a quality coach and he's exactly what we need right now.

Les Martin
275 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:03:27
Three on one for their first, and we still cant clear, Sakho needing binoculars to find an Blue marker for the second, what have we been doing in training during Martinez's tenure?

Can't defend, keep a lead,No plan of attack or outlet when we have the ball. Any Everton player in an offensive position with the ball, and not a supporting player within 20 yards, Lukaku isolated.

We could all go on and on, the worst derby performance in my lifetime, adios El Bob!!
James Power
276 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:03:35
As the teams ran out tonight, I was already spitting mad. Big derby match... Lukaku all smiles hugging Sturridge then laughing and joking with Klopp.

Then I think of Peter Reid or Roy Keane in the tune before ANY match let alone the Merseyside derby, it would be eyes forward fury, fire and focus, psyching the other team out maybe by some aggro or verbals in the tunnel but this 'We're all superstar mates' lark is bollocks and it augured badly.

Guy Hastings
277 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:03:43
What I find surprising is the lack of criticism of his backroom team (I'm as guilty as anyone in this), but who allows Dennis Lawrence, for example, on the team?

Quite possibly a nice bloke but totally in thrall to Martinez, as is Jones, whose experience at Bridlington is bang on requirement at this level. It's enough to demand the return of Steve Round.

Clive Lewis
280 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:04:19
It's a shambles, it's a pub team management. BK this is one of your worst plays ever. They all should be ashamed, it stinks of no leadership.
Charlie Lloyd
282 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:04:52
Bobby @ 265.

I totally agree.

Steavey Buckley
283 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:05:24
Trevor (#244). Were you expecting the players to put a real shift in tonight's match with the possibility of injuries and suspensions in view of Saturday's match? If you watched the same game I saw, Everton players were just going through the motions. Yet, Everton have lost Funes Mori to suspension and whoever was injured.

If Everton gave full debuts to promising Under-21s, they would have gained valuable experience with nothing to lose. Tonight's game was a disaster with a full strength team that Everton fans called for. So the majority were wrong.

Anthony Dwyer
284 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:05:39
Wow, were do you start with that.

I just can't believe how far we have fallen, how low moral is and how clueless we look as a team and as individuals.

No one bar Robles can take any credit from the game, and even he should have cleared the ball for the first goal.

Martinez seems to have destroyed the team from top to bottom. The defence can't defend and now the attack can't score.

Bobby seems to have killed Coleman, Baines, Del Boy, Ross, Howard, Miralas and Stones all within the past year or so.

Now it seems he's totally lost everyone, fans and players alike. No one can claim to have gone out on a limb for Roberto tonight, no one looked up for it.

Lennon, Rom, Barry and Mccarthy, players most would describe as Bobbys men looked as disinterested as any other player.

We have a board in place for times like this, there job is to over see the manager, it's time for them to step up.(albeit later than would have been expected).

The problem is though, the board are as spineless as the team, and they won't react in time.

I'm not saying this is the answer, but Undsworth and Duncan could maybe throw there hands in to gee the boys up for a stress free cup run, before passing the team back over to a more suitable manager for next season. If that's not viable, then maybe Kevin Sheedy, Joe Royal or even David Moyes, anyone has a better chance than Roberto atm.

A change must come.

Dave Ganley
285 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:05:47
Jim at least with Moyes we could beat the so called top 4 at home.... we can't beat any fucker now.

Guess I'm totally naive but I never thought we'd sink this low. Remember the day folks... the day EFC finally lost any remaining dignity we had!! Really don't want to go to Wembley now, not sure I could face another humiliation...

Mike Keating
286 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:06:07
Steavy Buckley – since when has Martinez ever listened to what the fans have to say?
Paul Webb
287 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:07:02
As bad a performance as I can remember... even David Moyes looked embarrassed when quizzed on Sky. The players clearly know Martinez is clueless at this level and seem to be doing their damnedest to get him fired.

Only Robles can hold his head high after that shit show.
Lucky to have a ticket for Saturday but dreading the score if clown Martinez hasn't fallen on his sword before then.

Andy Meighan
288 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:07:09
Colin, it was only a few short weeks ago you were saying, "If I was Moshiri, I'd get Lukaku, Barkley, Stones and Deulofeu in and tell them I'm building a side around you four." The four of them, in my opinion, are shite and have done nothing for months.

Now, tonight you're saying Lukaku is going through the motions... So what's it to be, Colin? Me personally, I've never seen four players go as far backwards in my life. I 'd sell the four of them tomorrow without a second thought.. and one or two others as well.

If we had another striker on the books, I'd bench that big-headed cunt Lukaku on Saturday and the rest of the season because it's obvious he doesn't want to play for us. That'd give the overrated big-headed twat the shock of his life and make me one happy bunny. Unfortunately, it's not going to happen.

I've got my ticket and transport for Saturday but really I don't want to go and watch us huff and puff and create zilch. Manchester United will roll us over comfortably – and anyone who disagrees with that needs their marbles feeling.

Jim Bailey
289 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:07:37
James @276, I thought the exact same thing.

Going beddy byes now but my one hope is that when I get up I will see a headline somewhere, anywhere that this joker has finally been given the bullet.

Anthony Dwyer
290 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:08:20
Money aside, Roberto should walk anyway knowing his players don't respect him.

The performances prove it.

Jim Bennings
291 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:08:22
Give Moyes his due, he never had a home record this appalling either.. Two clean sheets at home all season and four wins..


Embarrassing!!!

Bob Heyward
292 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:08:43
A bit odd to see people who backed El Clown well past the point that it became obvious that he couldn't manage, now calling for him to resign TONIGHT! And replace him with who? The same candidates who those people so roundly rejected last January? A few days from a Cup semi? Right...

Time and a place for everything, lads. He has to take the FA Cup Semi – the turnaround time is way too short. After that, all options are open, including, if the right candidate was available, sacking him before the final.

Tony Abrahams
293 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:08:51
If you had to pick a game to be humiliated, the last one you would ever pick is against Liverpool, anywhere. But, with tonight's game nowhere near as important as Saturday's, hopefully the final nail in Martinez's coffin results in him being told to stay away from Wembley this weekend.

If he's still our manager on Saturday, I think spare tickets will all of a sudden be everywhere, because only if he's gone, do Everton stand any chance of beating Man Utd.

I'm glad I stayed at home tonight, because that was the most spineless display I have ever ever witnessed; what else can you expect when the players have obviously stopped playing for the manager.

I know they should have more personal pride, but it just might just be down to a lack of "know-how". You can't turn performance 's on like a tap, especially when you haven't been really trying for over a month.

They have cheated the fans, and they have cheated themselves, and it's come back to really haunt us all tonight. Let's hope the only positive thing to come out of this is the removal of the manager, which is the only way everyone can be united, to beat Man United this Saturday night.

Steve Hogan
294 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:09:34
The final nail in the coffin was bring on a half fit, yes a half fit, Steven Pienaar to try and bolster up the midfield.

Meanwhile, the Everton Directors continue to sit uncomfortably on their hands. I don't really want Martinez anywhere near Wembley on Saturday win lose or draw.

David Connor
295 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:09:56
Until this rotten apple is removed from the basket, I fear for our future. He should be removed tonight. That is the only thing that will give us the much-needed lift we need – as daft as it sounds. 40 efforts on goal against 3. Says it all.

The price on our so called stars plummets by the day... I wouldn't give a flying fuck if we sold em all. Well over-rated in my opinion... Should be fucking ashamed of themselves... Gutless Bastards.

Steve Dowdeswell
296 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:10:40
Tonight was torture. Hoping I wake up to glorious blue skies and the headline that Martinez has been sacked and Unsy is standing in to the end of the season.

Failing that, the club has adopted the new motto while Martinez remains in charge:
Nulla generis, nulla superbia, nullus sensus

Andy Walker
297 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:11:12
I wonder what Martinez will be thinking about when he lays his head on his pillow tonight.

Will it be how do I beat Man Utd on Saturday, or how do I maximise my compensation, or something else?

I know where my money is.

Mike Green
298 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:11:59
Spot on James #276. I'm surprised Lukaku didn't put a bow on the ball and just give it to them.
Andrew James
299 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:12:57
RM is the architect of his own downfall. All season he's failed to sort the defence and been bailed out here and there by Jagielka coming in and marshalling it.

Ill discipline, which is usually the final nail in the coffin of unrest, has become manifest. I make that the 4th time in 2 months we've had a man sent off: Funes Mori, Barry, Mirallas, McCarthy. We cannot really argue about any of them.

We've got injuries, ill discipline, poor tactics and demotivated players all over the park.

I say sack him now and bring in Joe Royle to oversee the side with the proper Everton fans in the backroom staff. At least people will know we did our best. Or just bung Moyes some cash to take over for Saturday. I'd do anything but have Martinez in charge now. Who knows? One chaotic, unpredictable effort could beat United. But with Martinez at the helm we are utterly done for.

The board have messed this up because Martinez should have gone after Stoke or West Ham. At least then we might have rescued the season. Look at our horrible neighbours...

Danny Broderick
300 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:13:14
Steavey,

We should never field a weakened team in a derby. Full stop. Professional players should be able to play 2 games on a Wednesday followed by a Saturday. It's just nonsense to say they can't. How many games do the real top players miss? Messi, Ronaldo etc?

There are too many people trying to be too clever in football nowadays, blinding everyone with bollocks about rest, sports science etc.

Yes, we need to go along with some of that, but I don't see Klopp complaining that they have Europa league games and that their players aware tired.

John Daley
301 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:13:27
An absolute shameful disgrace of a performance. Not one player comes out of that game with even a shred of credit. Things may not be going your way, you may be mired in a piss poor run of form or you may simply be outclassed, but there is no excuse whatsoever for not even playing for pride. As soon as the pressure begun to build we just went to pot and, once the inevetible goal came, we basically gave up on trying to get anything out of the game and got a 'hard done by' gob on instead.

Shambolic. Sickening. Shite.

When the opposition manager and players are openly laughing and joking amongst themselves, slap bang in the middle of a fucking merseyside derby, and riotously egging on a scruffy, scurrying, gypo faced, goal shy grafter like Lucas to try and get his name on the score sheet....like it's a casual kick-about in the park and one big lark...then you've basically just been bent over and made to "squeal like a pig" whilst a mongoloid mountain man pummels your arse. On live tv as well. Without even putting up a modicum of resistance.

Honestly, I don't think i've ever seen an Everton team roll over and submit so easily. Simply painful to watch.

Colin Glassar
302 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:13:30
I thought Bainsey epitomised everything that was bad tonight (and I'm a massive fan of his) eg his passing was abysmal, his positional play poor, his defending crosses abominable, his overall effort pathetic and his body language defeatist.

If a player like Bainsey can't be arsed putting in a shift in a derby then who can? At least Ross looked like he wanted to cry when he came off but Bainsey was like, "fuck this prick, he'll be sacked in the morning". Roberto has well and truly lst this team and that shows in the effort, or lack of, by the local lads.

On a personal level, I feel sorry for Martinez. I think he is a well intentioned and proud man so it must be Embarrasing to be totally found out in front of millions watching that shambles. End of the project Roberto, time to move on.

Barry Lambert
303 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:13:37
I listened to Jamie Carragher's post match comments. Even he sounded depressed with that shambolic performance. He was almost whispering and certainly not gloating at the obvious chasm in quality between the two teams. Moyes was as diplomatic as he could be for obvious reasons.

I have been an Everton fan for 59 years. My late father played for the blues in the thirties. I'm ashamed to say it but that was one of the most shameful performances I have ever seen in all my years as a blue.

If this so-called new regime don't make radical changes from top to bottom and very soon they will be displaying absolute absence of responsibility as business men as well as custodians of our wonderful club. Ignore the fans at your peril.

James Mullins
304 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:14:13
So much of a disaster tonight it's hard to know where to start.

Anybody else think that Stones just cracked under the pressure after his error for the third goal, and asked to be taken off? He didn't look injured and with Funes Mori gone, and no defenders on the bench, it's hard to see how the decision was taken so quickly to get him off the pitch.

Jim Bennings
305 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:14:30
Basically Sakho, yes the much derided figure of fun Sakho at the back for Liverpool played the game like I wanted to see John Stones play...

That lad hasn't got it in him though, I don't give a stuff what Rio Dope-inand says, Stones is a liability.

Martin Nicholls
306 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:14:43
I see that Martinez has "vowed to repay the fans with a proper performance on Saturday". Sound familiar?
Phil Williams
307 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:15:28
I have repeatedly supported Martinez on this site, advocating patience and suggesting that he would come good. Some of the angst has been too vitriolic but I have to say enough is enough. This is the most over-hyped, under-performing, poorly managed bunch of egotistical individuals that I can ever remember representing our great club.

I like many of you will be amongst the 32,000 at Wembley on Saturday. We deserve better. I will, however, put aside my anger and drink and sing myself hoarse. Let's get behind the shirt and at least give ourselves the best possible chance of some salvation. Bournemouth at home may be different!

Iain Latchford
308 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:19:04
We had three touches in their box....THREE!!!! The worst performance I have ever seen. Words fail me.
Andy Meighan
309 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:19:15
Steavey (#229), I was in the dressing room before tonight's game and said to the players, "Take it easy, boys. Tonight, he shouldn't be playing half of you, especially with an FA Cup semi-final at Wembley looming. So just go easy."

Looks like they listened, doesn't it. My god that has to be the biggest load of drivel I've ever read on here.

Dave Ganley
310 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:20:33
Sorry, Colin, I feel nothing but contempt for Martinez for putting us through that horror show by itself let alone all the spineless clueless staid tepid anti-football that he's put us through for the last 2 years. I thought it was bad when we got mauled 4 0 couple of years ago but that was a new low.... something no Evertonain should ever have to witness. A complete piss take. Feel sorry for him? That's the biggest laugh of the night
Joe Clitherow
311 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:21:18
This is absolutely the lowest and most humiliating experience of my Evertonian life but strangely I just feel numb, not angry as I have felt at other times and up for the fight, just resigned. Even the Wimbledon and Coventry games weren't as bad because we had a chance and we were all up for the fight. This must be what it feels like to play games after you have been already been relegated. I guess if we keep this idiot on next season I may find out for real about this time next year.

Worst manager we have ever had, no question. Mike Walker had mediocre players and no money. This idiot inherited a Top 6/7/8 side and has been heavily backed with cash.

Paul Meehan
312 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:21:35
It's not the hope that kills us. I suggest it's the wilful predictability of failure, and our comments on this site throughout this week in the build-up to this debacle testify to this.

Look at the Moyes era; 44 away games in 11 years at Man U, Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea, and not one win. Three years into the Martinez era, and we've still had just that one first win at Old Trafford (more to do with the ill-fated Moyes then being our opponent). But now we can't beat Man City, either. We seem to be resigned to it at all levels; from the board, down through the manager, the team, and now the fans.

It's almost as though there's been a persistent strategy that goes something like “Let's not kid ourselves; there are certain teams we simply can't beat, so just hang on for a minimal loss, and see if we can nick a draw.” If it started with Moyes, it's getting worse under Martinez, and spreading to our home games.

Getting rid of Martinez is only a small component of the solution to this problem. The much bigger component is the appointment of a successor who will show a credible willingness to believe that every single game is winnable, no matter who the opponents. That's now the difference between Leicester City and Everton; and who saw that coming?

I'm not sure who'd fit the bill for us here; it's always a question of who's available at the time, and I don't even know when the time will be. Something tells me that Martinez will be here until the end of the season at least, possibly even beyond.

The last 10-12 years have been the most frustrating of all my 50 years as an Everton fan. Alas, I can't see it ending any time soon...

Bren Connor
314 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:23:29
Bournemouth away: ruined weekend.
Crystal Palace home: evenin ruined
Norwich away: saturday ruined
Stoke home: night ruined
Chelsea away: ruined weekend
West Ham home: had enough. Few hours miffed.
Last few weeks: burnt out.
Tonight: quiet incredulous resignation. Not even upset.
49 year old Toffee. Never seen owt like this.
Sack him tonight and return to the Everton way.
Danny Broderick
315 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:23:51
You reap what you sow, and Roberto got his just desserts tonight. We were too deep all game. I have seen most managers screaming at their defence to push up at some point - but I have never seen Roberto do this. We were camped in our own box, and we know there is no organisation in our defence. It was an accident waiting to happen.

My other point is about the fitness of our players - it is a disgrace. Barkley and Lukaku play every week, and neither of them is fit. They are overweight and can't run. That is disgraceful.

They are supported by players who cannot last 90 minutes. Did you see Pienaar doubled over after he ran back into defence? He'd only been on the pitch 10 minutes! If he's that unfit, he should have brought on Deulofeu...who also struggles to play more than an hour? Or maybe Niasse? Who won't be ready until next season? Or Osman? Whose legs have gone?

It's beyond a joke. How many players have had hamstring injuries? The players aren't fit. It doesn't matter who is in charge between now and the end of the season, the rot has set in.

For the lack of organisation, fitness and game management issues, it's time to go for the manager. But it won't make any difference on Saturday. United will batter us on that big pitch. We'll have Barkley and Lukaku going through the motions up front, supported by a load of half fit players behind them. It's a disgrace.

John Raftery
316 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:24:23
Play the strongest available team, put in a good showing at Anfield and carry the momentum into the semi final. So said the siren voices among many of our fans and most of our former players. Well that went well didn't it?

Those of us who feared the worst, that we would suffer further injuries and suspensions as well as take an almighty hammering have been proved right. It will now need a miracle for us to get through the semi.

Joe Clitherow
317 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:24:29
John 301

I actually thought Robles does come out with some credit. Put a decent shift in and made some really good saves to keep the score below cricket numbers.

Brent Stephens
318 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:24:30
Pretty pretty football. No frigging bite. And now we're all going to get Eugene mouthing ad nauseum off that we're all mouthing off ad nauseum.
Don Alexander
319 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:24:34
I just can't understand why some of us fans put any blame on the players. The players have had to put up with the tosser every single day for three years. The HAVE to train as he tells them, practice what he tells them and comply with his every instruction.

My guess is that other than the marginal players he's signed, the proper pro's in the squad wanted rid of Martinez last year at the latest.

And as for those saying we should have just put a derby on the back burner in favour of whatever comes to pass on Saturday, well, just give your head a shake. We are not a second rate club.

Patrick Murphy
320 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:24:46
Jim (305) Sorry mate I don't even know who Sakho is never mind whether he's a figure of fun or not. I understand what you mean regarding Stones and I agree that he hasn't developed into the player we'd hoped he would, some of that is down to him and most of it is down to his manager.

Comparing their players to ours, right now, tonight, is a little too much to take, in fact any mention of them and theirs will be too much for me at least until next season. Compare other teams players from anywhere in the world but please try and avoid mention of what they are doing and who is doing it for them until a little later in the week if at all.

Anthony Dwyer
322 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:28:02
No Everton manager has fucked a side this badly since Colin Harvey back in the day.

Roberto has to go, he's killed us and if he's incharge next season I simply can not watch, he ruins my day every time we play, he's already ruined my weekend before it happens.

Oliver Molloy
323 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:29:18
Anyone see the tweet from the Liverpool owner calling us "bush league" and a caption of the stats from tonight's game.

Now I don't mind getting a bit of stick but calling Everton FC bush league which I think is a massive lack of professional respect and is bang out of order.

Phil Williams
324 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:30:08
Mark (#321). Uncalled for. Take the piss with humour, not by mocking the deceased.
Ray Robinson
325 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:30:13
One for a separate thread maybe, but to what extent has Martinez ruined John Stones or has John Stones contributed to his own downfall? Nobody has mentioned that ridiculous pass out of defence that led to the third goal.
Steavey Buckley
326 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:30:16
Danny (#300). Everton already have key players missing in Coleman and Jagielka. Now there is Funes Mori suspended and whoever was injured as well; plus the demoralising debacle.

Yet, Everton fans were calling for a full strength team with 3 days to go before the biggest game so far this season with nothing else to play for. Yes, having a full strength team (which at best is average) was fool hardy.

Joe Clitherow
327 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:32:15
Colin 302

Never mind the Nice Guy Roberto shit please. He is a clueless, cowardly, despicable man who ran off down the tunnel without any acknowledgement at all of the away fans after he is the person solely responsible for all of the despondency summarised above on the miserly sum of £3M/year.

I'm not sure if sympathy is a quantifiable currency but if it is please save it for us and not that despicable selfish twat. And yes, I'm getting personal.

Colin Glassar
328 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:33:18
Dave, I feel sorry for him in the sense that after watching that he must've thought to himself "Wigan wasn't a blip, I really am shit".

Eugene Ruane
329 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:33:27
Despite wanting to see the the back of Martinez, it seemed (to me) a couple of weeks ago, that sacking him just before the semi might not be wise (can't really say why, it just seemed that way).

However, I now believe the exact opposite - that with a staggeringly depleted squad and players and supporters utterly despondent (and there being just under three days til kick-off) it now seems the only chance we have of a result is by giving everyone the 'vitamin B12 shot' of hearing 'With an FA Cup semi-final just two days, Everton have relieved manager...' etc.

If it doesn't happen (and it won't), take a grand, stick it on them to qualify, win yourself £600+, book yourself a nice week in France in June and give yourself something to look forward to.

Clutching at straws?

Absolutely!

(anyone suggest anything else to clutch, more than happy to give it a go)

Christy Ring
330 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:33:28
Brendan Rodgers was sacked after the game at Goodison, and it finished 1-1. If Kenwright doesn't sack Martinez after that humiliation, Moshiri should get rid of him too.

Carragher could see the formation was a shambles, and that was when we had 11 players on the pitch, and he's only a pundit. How could you let him pick another team for Saturday's cup semi-final?

He had no defender on the bench, (none on the field either) but had 5 midfielders. Oviedo and Baines were SHOCKING, and what we saw of Pienaar was embarrassing.

Sheedy / Royle should be given charge until the summer.

Callum McNab
331 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:33:29
Martinez deserves everything he is getting right now,but to me this shower of shite our glorious board have sat back and done nothing.

As much as I hate that crowd across the park at least there board took action when they weren't happy with the results. The sooner they go the better,but sadly I think our Mr Moshri is made of the same cloth. How can anybody sit idly by and do nothing, nil satis nisi optimum. My fucking arse.

Anthony Dwyer
332 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:33:48
Mark Daley 321;

Bet you support the same team who's fans cry at every chance you get to anyone who will listen, about how the mancs etc show no respect to your own dead.

Typical red shite, ashamed of nothing, embarrassed by everything.

Gerry Quinn
333 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:35:27
Good job Suarez wasn't playing for the shite - just put 4 goals in for an 8-0 win. Coulda been worse!
Anthony Dwyer
334 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:36:41
Ray Robinson 325;

Not entirely sure over Stones mate, but a proper manager protects his young stars, Roberto hasn't done that with Stones, he's allowed him to be ribbon in the press and allowed Stones to become a shadow of himself.

Jay Harris
335 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:36:45
Couple of points not mentioned.

The RS singing "Bobby Martinez".

Is this the first Everton manager they have chanted for?

After Funes Mori went off Martinez was giving instructions to Baines and you could clearly see Bainsey rolling his eyes as if to say what are you on about.

This will be the first semi final I have missed in 56 years of following the blues but I just cant face going while this clown is in charge.

The apathy is killing me.

Charlie Lloyd
336 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:38:28
Danny Broderick @ 315.

Totally agree. Fitness shocking.

I have wanted to see a Pienaar cameo thinking he may still have something to offer but after tonight I realise he's not fit. No wonder Hibbert wasn't considered.

It's the basics of football to have fitness and we don't have it. Don't get me started on formations, tactics, set pieces.

Defining moment Saturday then.

Tom Bowers
337 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:39:20
Hindsight is 20/20 but if we only had Stones and Funes Mori as experienced centre backs then why risk both of them in a nothing game (compared to Saturday).

Today's result was what we all feared but hoped for something better and I guess on the evidence of this dreadful season as a whole we may have been stupidly optimistic.

I believe it may have been ironic but justified if Martinez was canned after this game much like Brenda was for the earlier derby match.

The cup run has been his saving grace but should not camouflage his total inability to make something of this squad and quite frankly he should not be running this team at Wembley.

Anthony Dwyer
338 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:41:00
Jay Harris 335;

Two huge points, I heard and seen both and thought the exact same thing.

A man like Baines is a true pro, he was clearly listening to Martinez because he had to, the rolling of his eyes told us everything we need to know.

The chants from the red shite clearly show what they see in Roberto, a total clown.

I have 4 tickets for the semi final, one for me an me dad and one each for my 7 and 10 year old season ticket holding sons.

What a miserable trip we are in for.

Stewart Lowe
339 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:41:50
Why is everyone on here slating the players???? I don't blame one single player.

Is it not simple to everyone else that they are collectively not wanting to put a shift in as they clearly want Martinez out just as much as we do. To me, it is obvious the players have given their all and been model professionals for 3 years but they have now had enough in the same we have and, falling short of a mutiny, the only way they can show they want him out is by not putting any effort in.

I believe we do still have the best squad since the '80s but that will only be evident when we have a quality Manager in place that has a proven formula to win things. Take Pochetino for example, he has taken over a team that had a squad of bang average players, but such is the way Pochetino plays and has them structured, they are almost as big a surprise in challenging for the title as Leicester.

Trust me, guys, we definitely have the best squad since the '80s, we just need a genuine Manager to polish them into a team.

Frank Thomas
340 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:44:00
Anthony (284) good ideas for temporary managers.

What do you think of suspending Roberto and asking Moyes to step in to the end of the season for a ٟM salary and asking for a report on the fitness and aptitude of the team after the 38th game.

Then we could talk to Roberto if he wants to resign because of Moyes then we don't have to pay him if Moyes says players are totally unfit and don't want to play for Roberto and have no notion of the positions he want them to play in then once again we could reduce his severance pay based on Moyes report.

Eddie Dunn
341 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:45:28
Does anyone have any faith in our manager after this total fuck-up? If he is entrusted to lead us out against the Mancs, can we really have even an ounce of hope?

Martinez should either resign or be sacked. To allow this fool to ruin a rare chance of a trophy, is insane.

The players might just react positively to Unsworth/Dunc taking over till the end of the season. Let us rid ourselves of this accursed manager, and hope that the change will inspire the squad to beat the Mancs and claim a place in the Final.

Brian Porter
342 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:45:57
Colin #302, how on earth can you feel sorry for Martinez? He has been the architect of his own downfall over the last 2 1/2 years. Despite it being obvious that his so called 'philosophy' was seriously flawed and unworkable he has made no attempt the change or even modify it to suit the players at his disposal. Tonight was the biggest shambles I have ever witnessed in 57 years of supporting this club.

Has he lost the dressing room? I think he has. The look on Leighton Baines's face when Martinez was giving him instructions after the sending off spoke volumes. It was like. "Yeah, yeah, we've heard it all before, and just how is it going to get us back in the game?" He looked even more pissed off with Martinez after the third goal when he issued more touchline wisdom.

It was perfectly summed up by Jamie Carragher after the mat h when he said we just continued to play the Martinez way even after losing a player and then going three behind, as if they had no other options, no way of reacting to the situation because they just don't have the proper leadership.

I won't be watching on Saturday, I just can't bear any more heartbreak at the hands of this idiot who has no idea how to manage a Premier League club and who should be sacked before the semi final. I have a feeling if he was, the players would celebrate with a superb free flowing match winning game at Wembley, or at least give it their best shot. With Martinez leading us out at Wembley we're on a hiding to nothing.

Ray Robinson
343 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:46:12
We'd better beat United on Saturday or the end-of-season parade around the pitch after the last home against Norwich game is going to be interesting!
Gary Jones
344 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:46:18
I was dreading Saturday, but really looking forward to it now after watching that shite tonight. Instead I will be attending my local endoscopy dept for one up the back, far more enjoyable. Wake me when it's over.
Bob Cumiskey
345 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:46:52
Just got in and hurting so bad. There was a bloke standing next to me in the ground crying tonight, FFS.

It's time to hand out the P45s and I truly hope Duncan Ferguson's will be given to him too. For somebody who is apparently so passionate, I never seen sight or sound of him in our hour of need. For those of you who think he is the answer to replace Martinez stop kidding yourself.

The players were gutless and an embarrassment tonight. If you can't raise your game for a derby match, god help us on Saturday. Shit houses the lot of them.

We were as bad as Aston Villa tonight; it is high time that we started to show some real ambition in terms of recruiting a new manager.

Please Moshiri. No Moyes, Ferguson or Benitez... break the bank and get us a top manager who will give us some pride back. If some of the players don't want to stay, then tell them to fuck off, cash in and give the new guy a war chest to rebuild.

I have already renewed for next season and will be there no matter what... but please, no more of this shit as it hurts too fucking much.

I really hope all of these gutless bastards put on show for us on Saturday, we fucking deserve it. We made the RS look like Barcelona tonight FFS!!!
Good night folks, off to bed to cry into my pillow.


Colin Malone
346 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:47:10
Who's doing the half time team talk with Bobby? It's not Big Dunc, he's out on the pitch with the players who are on the bench.

It must be Graeme Jones, who the fuck is he?

Joe Clitherow
347 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:47:15
The worst thing about this is that long after this absolute cretin and his crew are gone and hopefully forgotten, the purgatory he has put us through will go down in RS folklore as the easiest derby win ever, and frankly they should be ashamed of themselves that they only scored 4.

I'm dreading someone coming on here with the "Oxford moment" comparison that Howard's team let in 5.....

Terry Underwood
348 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:48:34
The only good thing to have emerged from the last few games: Robles seems to be finding his feet. It looks like our whole season comes down to one match this Saturday...

Honestly, anybody really confident? I can see the Rashford kid having the time of his life. Hope not, but ???????

Dave Ganley
349 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:48:43
Colin if I thought he were capable of that kind of self analysis you may have point but he is probably sat there thinking how much the players let him down and that they werent in a defining moment and Saturday will be all different when we all chant his name for leading us to Wembley glory........legend in his own mind that guy
Tim Wardrop
350 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:49:40
I might be wrong, but I don't think Mignolet touched the ball second half. That is the worst I've ever seen us play
Derek Davies
351 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:50:04
No fight no nothing players should hang their heads in shame after that non performance . We can blame Martinez all we want but the sad fact is that there is no backbone in that team at all
Anthony Dwyer
352 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:50:50
Frank 340.

One thing we do no is Moyes was a stickler for fitness.

Imagine his opinion on Del Boy and Ross lack of fitness.

I'm not sure about reduced severance payments etc, as I'm not sure how that all works, but the club have to act now.

I read somewhere that we were expected to finish top 7 and now finish around 11th, I read that financially that could cost us £10m, that's how much money Roberto has cost us this year alone, plus whatever last season.

That type of financial drop would easily pay off Roberto and pay a top manager to take his place.

Things have become embarrassing, Roberto is clearly not up to the job, Bill Kenwright and his board should be ashamed of themselves for allowing this situation to go on for this long.

Jamie Crowley
353 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:53:10
271 comments, apologies for racing to the end.

I had to watch delayed.

FUCKING PATHETIC. FUCKING DISGUSTING. FUCKING EMBARRASSING!!!

A friend, cheeky fucking twat Norwegian, texted me, "are you watching this?"

Knew then I'd be viewing a train wreck but this was FUCKING CATASTROPHIC!!!!

Danny Broderick
354 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:53:42
Steavey (326),

I don't care if Coleman and Jagielka were injured going into this game. You don't play the reserves in a derby (or any match for that matter). Play your best team and try to win every game. Even if we'd played the kids tonight, we'd still lose on Saturday for the reasons described above – namely lack of fitness, organisation and game management. It wouldn't have achieved anything resting players tonight.

In any case, play the young right back Connolly in defence at Wembley. Could he be worse than Oviedo tonight? We've got other kids who can step up as well, I'm sure. Let's throw them in because one thing is for sure – if we play that team again on Saturday we'll get battered again.

Ben Attwood
355 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:54:56
SACK THIS JOKER NOW!

If he cannot get a team up for a Derby, what is the chance of him getting a team up for a semi final? It's sad to say but this was always going to be a case of how many they would win by given our terrible performances recently. Even in the dark days, we were always up for a Derby.

If the result was reversed and we had given them a proper hiding, would the reds' board accept this? Absolutely not.

When the manager falls below the club's expectations he must go. Look at DM at United and Rodgers, as soon as they each fell below the required standard, they were sacked. What we are currently seeing is not acceptable. We should be a team challenging for Europe at the very least. RM fell short last season and should have been sacked then. This season is totally unacceptable. Poor teams have come to Goodison and got results. The lack of game management at Bournemouth and Chelsea was criminal. This is all down to RM.

He has clearly lost the players. Baines was probably speaking for the majority. There is a problem with Howard. Lukaku is not interested. Compare his attitude to Vardy. Night and day.

We are Villa/Wigan in the making. Get rid now. Tonight, not tomorrow or the end of the season. Now.

I have not yet spoken to a blue who says this clown should stay. The issue is when he goes, now or the end of the season. It has to be now as we are currently an embarrassment. The semi final is a bonus and could be used by Ferguson, Stubbs or Unsworth to find their feet for the last few games of the season and then we review in the summer. If we win great, if not what were we really expecting after tonight?

Anthony Dwyer
356 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:55:04
Jamie 353;

Welcome :-(

Brian Mahoney
357 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:56:24
Been going the match since the seventies,this is the first time in my life i've ever left a game 15 minutes early.

I just want to wake up to headlines tommorow "MARTINEZ SACKED".
Tom Bowers
358 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:57:10
Everton may have a big say in who wins the Prem.(having a game against the Foxes) and games against relegation strugglers which they could easily have been themselves if the season was any longer.
However, at this rate they would lose to them all.
Jim Lloyd
359 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:57:12
Seeing as we have no real interest in the league, not going down and very unlikely to elevate ourselves too high, the only objective now, is to restore our lads morale as much as possible and go for the Cup.

I don't think that can happen under Roberto Martinez. I don't think that Kenwright will sack him but he should. It looks to me as though the whole team are flat on the floor.

I'd hope that Joe Royle, with whoever he wants as helpers, be put in charge from now until the end of the season (if he'd do it) and try and put some enjoyment and heart back into the players football, and give the fans something like belief again.

Otherwise, it's going to be a depressing time tioll the end of the season.

Oh yes; and if Kenwright does issue the dismissal notice could he please write his resignation speech as well.

Gerry Quinn
360 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:57:45
Not once during that game did I attempt to get off my seat to cower behind the couch – I have become that numb knowing what is going to happen.

In more than half a century of loving Everton, I have never witnessed such a feeble effort and I feel deeply for our fantastic fans having to suffer that. I now know exactly how Villa fans must feel watching such non-performances week-in & week-out!

Joe Clitherow
361 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:58:14
At the last AGM, Robert Elstone, stated in his (otherwise pretty decent and pretty professional) summary (failure to address shareholder questions aside) that a key tenet of the business plan of the club going forward was having, and I quote, "a great manager", with reference to Martinez sitting all nice and smug two or three seats to his left.

I wonder where this leaves the custodians of the club's business plan now with a new major shareholder scrutinising?

Michael Polley
362 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:59:01
The only chance we have on Saturday is if the players totally ignore any advice given from that idiot of a manager. They need to play with passion and pride. Play for the shirt, the fans, and for themselves. Something sadly lacking for months now.

Martinez must now be a dead man walking. I would sack him now. Get rid asap, Mr Moshiri.

Jon Cox
363 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:59:20
Misery.
John Atkins
364 Posted 20/04/2016 at 23:59:39
Hahahahahahahahahah


Martinez you joker - GO NOW


Bill Kenwrong - what a manger !!! Youve lost it you waste of space

Dan Davies
365 Posted 20/04/2016 at 00:00:20
Right I've counted 350 posts on here so far.... what are you all going on about? There's nothing wrong! It's just UNLUCKY.

According to some random people on a train Mr. KENWRIGHT is giving Martinez another season because he's just been UNLUCKY.

That's all tonight was as well ay. Get JONAH Martinez out swiftly followed by Evertons saviour BUNGLING BILL.

Rant over. Goodnite

Brian Wilkinson
366 Posted 20/04/2016 at 00:00:31
To take a line out of the film the Green Mile: "What in the flying fuck was that?"

Embarrassing, humiliating and above all, gutless.

You may have the shits, Stones, but doubt you are feeling anywhere near as bad as us Evertonians.

Anthony Dwyer
367 Posted 20/04/2016 at 00:02:36
If our board all view Roberto as the man to take us forward we all need to change our expectations.

Otherwise we will be miserable forever.

I myself have been numb at every league game in a long time, the last bit of joy I got was v Chelsea in the cup.

I've had my seat since the park end reopened and Martinez and the board are driving me away.

I'm at a stage were I feel I'd be a total twat to buy another season ticket as the blues depress the life out of me.

I could take watching us play shit when we only owned shite, but this is much worse.

Jamie Crowley
368 Posted 20/04/2016 at 00:03:10
Honestly Anthony, I get my position at this party. Non-native, non-Liverpudlian, American interloper.

I hear from the chiseled faithful Everton will break your heart. I hear from the veterans how Everton will crush you; it's the hope that kills...

I HAVE to have witnessed one of the most EMBARRASSING EVENTS in Everton's history! That was just terrible. I'm mortified and I don't have to go to work surrounded by the c**ts tomorrow.

They fucking chanted Bobby Martinez!!!! Humiliating!

Welcome you say - after nine years I do believe the fucking welcome mat was rolled out, thank you very little!

We are utter shite currently. The ship is sinking. That was AWFUL.

Joe Clitherow
369 Posted 21/04/2016 at 00:04:08
Jamie C

There's room over here on the couch next to me, I'll budge up, you're welcome.

I have been telling you for a long time how this would go, but I don't hold it against you, it was only a matter of time before the realisation actually dawned. Just more painful the longer you delayed it.

Anthony Dwyer
370 Posted 21/04/2016 at 00:05:28
I no Jamie, it's gut wrenching.
Bobby Thomas
371 Posted 21/04/2016 at 00:05:36
Ray #325

A very young player, especially at centre half, playing under a manager & staff that are filling his head with shite.

Mike T Jones
372 Posted 21/04/2016 at 00:06:22
Only 292 comments. Why?
Jamie Crowley
373 Posted 21/04/2016 at 00:07:07
Joe - I loved the vision. I loved the conveyor belt of talent. I loved the business approach.

I THOUGHT EVENTUALLY the results would come around.

You were right. Be assured next time you warn me I most likely won't argue...

FUCK IT. FUCK THEM. I'm off to lope around in an over 40 7 aside, then I'm gonna drink myself to sleep.

Anthony Dwyer
374 Posted 21/04/2016 at 00:07:36
ps: Jamie, I wasn't being funny saying welcome, just messing about as your rant was a little behind mine.

American or scouser, if you're blue then you're blue, your opinion is as valid as mine mate.

Joe Clitherow
375 Posted 21/04/2016 at 00:09:02
ps: Jamie, that was without doubt the worst I have ever witnessed, ever. It's never ever, ever been as bad as that, however moany we get. And the worst bit is that most of us knew it was coming and just felt numb about it. We can't even feel the anger you are expressing right now which would be a better feeling than emptiness.

Worst ever Everton manager, without a doubt. No redeeming qualities, not one. It's all a myth people have talked themselves into.

Dave Cook
376 Posted 21/04/2016 at 00:09:13
Come on now guys, he had no choice to play Macca and Mo in defence. I mean it's not like we have any fit defenders.

You know, apart from Galloway, Browning, Hibbert, Holgate, Mattioni.......

Steavey Buckley
377 Posted 20/04/2016 at 00:09:32
What is quite baffling about Everton, so many players are going to the Euros, compared to Leicester, who have fewer. The international teams that Everton players play for, in the Euros must be average at best. That international average list of teams would include England. Over-hyped and over-rated – just like Everton. So in one sense, I don't put all the blame on Martinez for Everton's failings. The players and the fans just see a different Everton to me, which is average at best and appalling like this evening.

Thank heaven, the end of season is not far off, to try and put things right for the next. With a new manager and new team. That's if there is enough money on the table to spend on players, with priority in all positions. Starting with a new goal-keeper who can catch the ball where and whenever the ball is crossed into the box.

Rob Hooton
378 Posted 21/04/2016 at 00:09:36
I am now, officially, for the first time in my 36 years, ashamed of my Club. I was going to say I'm ashamed to be an Evertonian after yet another abysmal performance but I will always be proud to be an Evertonian, just ashamed of the horrific performance and season unfolding before my eyes.
Eric Holland
379 Posted 21/04/2016 at 00:11:27
Exactly how I feel Rob that was a disgrace.
Paul Birmingham
380 Posted 21/04/2016 at 00:15:21
Well, my extreme long-shot win double is, in total honesty, unsurprisingly smashed. There's nothing left to say, my exile plans may come soon... it's not losing but the lack of all basic qualities, that even defeat can bring, we don't even turn up with. Sad and so pathetically predictable. This one we will lament for years, as we didn't show.

Time to close the book on this chapter in EFC history, as the club has in my view forgotten the fans and has betrayed the fans. The farce can't go on, beyond ten 2015 results, we'd be down with the Barcodes. The rot set in at Chrimbo 2013; we never got back, and that was basically a Moyes team.

I'm not embarrassed... just fucking sad that the EFC youth and young fans have to endure such predictable crap.

Saturday, and the final curtain... or not? It's a play beyond recognition. The club and its stature is bleeding to a terrible death. Effort, guts and common sense, and yet the RS have what we once had and have now forgotten.

Despicable, predictable, What's the answer?


Jim Bennings
381 Posted 21/04/2016 at 00:21:57
Atmosphere against Bournemouth will be so toxic if we lose on Saturday it will be recommended that we wear a gas mask..

Seriously I'm finding somewhere else to go that afternoon.

Jamie Crowley
382 Posted 21/04/2016 at 00:22:21
Driving and typing don't try this at home kids.

Did I read that John Stones went off with stomach cramps?

It's a fucking derby. We are playing the evil empire! Stomach cramps??!!!

FIND YOUR COCK!!!

Fuckers I swear to God!!!

David Cornmell
383 Posted 21/04/2016 at 00:23:04
Didn't even watch it as I knew we would get a complete hiding. Logged on here to be sadly proven right.

It's quite obvious the managers position is untenable, Saturday be damned. The Moshiri regime should view this as a statement of intent. That result stacked on all the other bad results is simply unacceptable for this club, at this level.

I think he was going at the end of the season anyway, but things have spiraled out of control. Martinez must go NOW.

Mike Green
384 Posted 21/04/2016 at 00:24:29
OK, I think I've got my pitch sorted for work tomorrow...

'I didn't see the match, I heard the result in passing. I don't really count games at Anfield, they're meaningless to me to be honest. Looks like we're on the hunt for a top manager now though so thanks for the favour, long term....'

Hmmmm.....might need a bit if work....

Kristian Boyce
385 Posted 21/04/2016 at 00:24:43
Has he gone yet?
Gordon Crawford
386 Posted 20/04/2016 at 00:24:44
Maybe the urban legend of voodoo dolls being buried at Goodison is true after all. What crap did I watch this night? No heart, no organisation, no clue. And that's just the manager. Please sack Roberto now.
Joe Clitherow
387 Posted 21/04/2016 at 00:26:21
Well you've cheered me up before I go to bed Jamie.

"Find your cock" is just about the funniest thing I've seen posted on here.

It's even funnier than Tony J Williams' typo last week that he watched "Fist Dates" with his missus rather than watch us play.

:-}

Colin Glassar
388 Posted 21/04/2016 at 00:26:27
The Daily Mail are saying he's on the brink and Jon Woods "stormed out" after the third goal. It's not looking good for him.
Richard Reeves
389 Posted 20/04/2016 at 00:26:45
Kenwright is a looser and non pro-active, he'll watch our chance of Wembley success sail by and blame it on small margins.

The only positive I'm taking out of last night is that it could be the moment Moshiri (if he hasn't already) realized it's time to get on with appointing a top manager. Left to Kenwright, Martinez might still be here but hopefully Moshiri has already sounded out De Boer for next season.

I too would like to see Ferguson given the managers job until the end of the season.

Jim Bennings
390 Posted 21/04/2016 at 00:27:04
Jamie

Agreed!!

Stones went off with stomach cramps after suffering a bout of the red shites that will last a lot longer than just tonight.

Bottler!!

Anthony Dwyer
392 Posted 21/04/2016 at 00:29:36
My red shite mates claimed Stones had period pains!
Ashley Roberts
393 Posted 21/04/2016 at 00:37:27
I agree with Steavey 377 and Carragher that this Everton team is just not that good. They have been over-hyped and we have been sucked in to that way of thinking.

Players like Lukaku and Barkley are luxury players who do not want to graft and I think Lukaku has just totally given up. Both of these 2 players have been terrible over the last few weeks. It would be nice to see either of them try to win the ball back but both being over weight and unfit certainly prevents that from happening.

As for Baines he is finished and wont be anywhere near the squad for the Euros. If can go on and on, Funes Mori cannot pass the ball to his own team mates and Oviedo is just off the pace totally.

The only players it leaves is Jagielka, Barry and Seamus and it looks like they wont make the weekend. I say give the semi-final to Unsworth who has blue blood and passion and let him play some of the youngsters.

They cannot possibly do any worse than the spineless bunch we have playing at the moment. However much I hate to say it, a good manager like Klopp can turn an average team in to one that looks like they are going places.

Pablo Brown
394 Posted 21/04/2016 at 00:37:34
‘I could say it was really difficult… but it wasn't'

This is what Klopp said. How fucking humiliating.

Shaun Lyon
395 Posted 21/04/2016 at 00:37:48
Danny Broderick, spot on in all your comments. One opinion described this – unbelievably, in my view – as a 'nothing' game given the semi. Incredible. A Derby? A 'nothing' game? Ever? Really?

I for one, at nearly fifty years of being alive and having grown up in the seventies am sick to frigging death of supporting the team I do, and feel terrible guilt about passing my unhealthy habit on to my poor unsuspecting children – who live 200 miles from Goodison Park.

It's enough to make an agnostic believe that there IS a god – he just happens to be a red, the bastard!!!

Kevin Rowlands
396 Posted 21/04/2016 at 00:40:05
He has to go tomorrow, absolutely no two ways about it. He's totally lost the fans, obviously lost the dressing room, we will have NO chance of a result on Saturday if he is still there. If he's not there will be huge relief amongst the fans going and I feel the support for the team would be massively ramped up to the point where we may get a result.

Mr Moshiri please don't listen to luvvy, pull the plug NOW!!!!

Mick Davies
397 Posted 21/04/2016 at 00:40:32
Steavey Buckley, you keep blaming Everton fans for the debacle tonight, because they wanted a full strength side: so you really think WE influence the gormless twat who picks the side?

If, it was our fault, then don't you think a full strength team could show a bit more fight than that?

Sturridge was interviewed after the match and said tonight was the result of 'hard work and planning on the training ground' saying this 'gives them the confidence to play like they're doing now.' So if you can put 2 and 2 together, that means, their manager trains and prepares his players in the right way, to inspire confidence and the will to win – our manager sends a team out (full strength or reserves) and stands gawping from the touch line for 90 mins in a trance while we get ripped to pieces.

The fans don't pick the team, which is a pity really, as they wouldn't be allowed to play as shite as they are doing.

Andy Codling
398 Posted 21/04/2016 at 00:41:25
Any other big club would sack this man after this!
Dan Davies
399 Posted 21/04/2016 at 00:41:25
Fuck me I did say goodnight but sorry Eugene where's my pitch fork.

With regards to Funes Mori did he do it on purpose? For the good of the club? Pointing at the badge? Makes me wonder.

Stones, a young athlete going off with "stomach cramps", really? Or did he just come off in protest to Martinez? Possible revolt in the ranks?

Plenty of question marks I know. I'm sensing the players have had an absolute fuckin gutsful and this is their way of showing it.

If you think I'm talking bollox by all means tear in to me all you want. Tonight was a performance backed up with two years of SHITE and Martinez should be gone by the morning.

Disgraceful.

Anthony Dwyer
400 Posted 21/04/2016 at 00:43:37
I'm an Everton fan and I never wanted us to play a full strength side, not that it matters what I want anyways as I'm just a fan, as we all are.

We can state our opinions on whatever we chose, but we affect nothing.

Roberto sorts the teams, Bill sorts the manager, we piss and moan, and the world carries on regardless.

Andrew James
401 Posted 21/04/2016 at 00:44:52
Stomach cramps? I've got Crohns...would quite merrily have kicked the RS for 90 mins....

I'd do that all day.

Peter Mills
402 Posted 21/04/2016 at 00:45:38
After overseeing the relegation of Wigan Athletic, Roberto Martinez declared he did not think he had the ability to lead them back up again. Curiously, Everton then appointed him manager of our beloved club.

After a honeymoon period, it has been painfully obvious for quite some time that he is not the man to halt the decline he has caused in our team, our club. Tonight encapsulated the depths to which he has taken us.

If he has an ounce of decency, he should resign tomorrow. If he doesn't, he should be sacked by Friday.

Anthony Dwyer
403 Posted 21/04/2016 at 00:46:19
Dan Davies, you may be right, you may not.

Fact is were fucked with Roberto in charge, if it doesn't change before the weekend we have no chance of winning the semi. If Roberto is still in charge next season we will be in a relegation dog fight.

Mark Wilson
404 Posted 21/04/2016 at 00:50:22
It's not life and death, it really isn't, but it matters, a lot. The local rivalry matters, and it matters when a little shit called J W Henry can call you "bush league" which translated means shite, clueless, morons etc.

He's the owner of Liverpool by the way and Martinez, ably abetted by the most disgusting performance I've seen in what feels like a lifetime, has created the situation where something that matters a great deal to me can be trolled like we are scum. That's what Martinez has done to this club, that's what certain players have contributed too.

The shame alone should have seen him sacked tonight.


Patrick Murphy
405 Posted 21/04/2016 at 00:52:36
I understand Stevie's viewpoint and let's be honest Catterick didn't play a full strength team in 1966 against Leeds and was fined for doing so, but he was proved right in the end as his team paraded the FA Cup at Wembley. I think Catterick like Kendall and other top managers did what he thought was best for the Club.

I get the feeling that Roberto did what he thought would be best for his own well being or to save his own skin tonight and it back-fired spectacularly. The players are fully aware of what to expect at Anfield and know that red-cards are almost inevitable for an Everton player in this particular fixture as are injuries. It was probably why Catterick did what he did fifty years ago, as Leeds and Everton was a similar hot-blooded encounter.

Of course the local derby is important but tonight has done untold damage to our chances on Saturday as slim as they were anyway. Had we needed to win at the other place to enhance our chances of gaining points for a European challenge or to avoid the drop, playing a full-strength team would have been obvious, but with nothing riding on it apart from local pride it does in hindsight seem a little silly to have risked so many players and has left us all bereft of any pride, local or otherwise.

Peter Stone
406 Posted 20/04/2016 at 00:54:06
I haven't posted on this site for about 4 or so years... but Martin Nicholls's post @242 of having "What a Chairman" retorts, has categorically dragged me from my languid semi-demi-non-tumescent apathy.... He's right!!!!

My opining lethargy was initially vein-injected by the presbyterian, sycophantic-yet-turgid actions of the Scottish kittie-whipper (Moyes). Closely followed by the "Yes Man" (what a film) whatever-happens-I-say "Yes to my philosophy" new manager (no introduction needed) – as his philanthropic dream soured into the Devil's own salty scaly pecker's worth of mephitic penis paste in front of us.

However...back to my/Martins point -– What a chairman indeed! Don't get me wrong.....I love a trier.....but results ARE the Guru. I have no sense of Schadenfreude about this... but please, please, please Bill, retire softly into the Salzburg Mountains with Roberto & duet on "Climb every Mountain" till you're kecks are full of Weissbier. Meanwhile the rest of us (led by our esteemed new owner one hopes) can all get on with sorting out our football club.

See you all in 4 years time!

:)

Danny Broderick
407 Posted 21/04/2016 at 00:59:21
I have sent 2 e-mails to the public address for Kenwright (info@kenwright.com) asking for Roberto to be relieved from his duties before Saturday. Anyone else care to do the same?

Let's face it, we have no chance on Saturday. If we can have Big Dunc and Unsie leading us out, we have a slim chance – but a slim chance is better than no chance. This is not a knee jerk reaction to last night's result – the fitness and organisation, as well as the game management, are all a joke and have been for a while. At least if we let Roberto go now, it will restore some pride and hope before the journey to Wembley. Please God!

Dan Davies
408 Posted 21/04/2016 at 01:03:30
Bobby Martinez! Bobby Martinez! Bobby Martinez! Please let me wake up from this NIGHTMARE.

WHAT A CHAIRMAN

Anthony Dwyer
409 Posted 21/04/2016 at 01:04:35
Haha fuck me Peter, it will take me 4 years to dissect that comment.
Don Alexander
410 Posted 21/04/2016 at 01:05:53
Carragher, of all people, apparently said that many are saying Everton are a side with good players at their disposal. He seemingly said the opposite is true. Unfortunately for us fans, and deffo for our players, I think he's hit the nail on the head. That's why the young good 'uns will be off unless the board immediately sack the tosser Kenwright appointed.

That said, Liverpool fans were making the same sort of outlandish claims for their squad when Brenda was their boss.

The good news for them, and hopefully for us if Mr Moshiri takes full control NOW, is that any competent manager (their previous career is the clue Bill) can transform a modestly talented squad into proper professional footballers in only six fucking months.

Just imagine what we might achieve if Mr Moshiri and those he can rely on (which obviously excludes anyone at the club when he bought in) find a manager NOW that's better than competent.

Lewis Barclay
411 Posted 21/04/2016 at 01:06:10
Man Utd will take us to the cleaners on Saturday. At least John Stones will be able to clean his pants.
Steve Barr
412 Posted 21/04/2016 at 01:09:44
This speculation on playing weakened teams before big games to rest players (e.g. Catterick playing a weakened side in 1966 before the Cup Final etc. ) strikes me as bollocks.

Who knows what would have happened if we played a full strength team in that/those games, maybe we would have won the cup in 1966 10-0 instead of coming back to win 3-2 from 2-0 down!

The truth is Martinez is out of his depth, was never qualified for the Everton job, like Moyes before him, and should never have been given the job.

The Board is 100% to blame for this shambles that is our beloved club.

I despair.

Anthony Dwyer
413 Posted 21/04/2016 at 01:12:25
Danny Broderick 407.

Job done mate, lets hope he listens.

Nicholas Ryan
414 Posted 21/04/2016 at 01:15:09
Any minute now, I will wake up; Bobby Ewing will tell me it has all been a dream, and J.R. is still alive! ....If only!
Jim Hardin
415 Posted 21/04/2016 at 01:18:58
I wanted RM to put out a full strength squad and will applaud him for doing so and wish any Everton manager to do it again and again for any game versus the Rs. Man Utd fielded a strong team tonight too and they play us in a Cup semi-final that LVG has to win.

This game turned into a watershed moment for RM and hopefully for BK. RM put these players out and said I believe in you so go and win this. The test was whether the players believed in him. Some players, who are true proven professionals (Barry and Baines, and Lennon) can always be counted on to try for their own honor if nothing else. Robles and Funes Mori stepped up as professionals (Yes, I know Funes Mori committed what I thought was a yellow not a red).

The rest of the players (not sure about Lukaku as he looked good the first 25 minutes or so but then got nothing played to him the second half) didn't look much bothered. So what is crystal clear is that the rest of the team, including RM acquisitions clearly do not follow the manager. They failed to play for him. This should be the last straw and clear indicator that RM has no home here. Stones wanting off couldn't be a clearer indication than if he had grabbed a mic and used the PA system. The question is are BK and the new owner listening?

Mick Davies
416 Posted 21/04/2016 at 01:36:20
The headline Liverpool 4 Everton 0 (and this is twice in 3 years) is a sackable offence alone, but to see THREE (!!!!) players happy to leave the pitch in the most important league fixture in our season, is criminal. Dixie, Cannonball Kid, Mick Lyons, Reidy, Watson, Stubbs and more would have to have been dragged off or hospitalised to get them off that pitch tonight.

The malaise in our camp is down to two very arrogant and stupid men: Kenwright and Martinez. 'What a manager' is now an albatross hanging around the former's neck, and only by sacking the latter, will he regain any respect in the eyes of Evertonians

Dan Davies
417 Posted 21/04/2016 at 01:37:30
Hang on, TW – where's the poll gone that shows over 15,000 fans want him gone? You can't change that now seriously?
Shaun Lyon
418 Posted 21/04/2016 at 01:39:39
Patrick at 405 – in one sense I agree, we might as well have played a 'weakened' team thinking about the cup game – but er how weak would it have to be? In comparison say with the eleven world-beaters Martinez actually fielded? And given that, what would be an acceptable score line to lose by? Worse than what we got?

Right now I personally could not give a toss about the FA Cup. It's clear that by any intelligently-gauged yardstick we are far, far from good enough, and even an FA Cup win will not smooth over that fact.

I for one am sick to death of being bent over and shafted by that lot. It may well be a local phenomenon but there we are. What a dreadful dreadful night.

Brian Wilkinson
419 Posted 21/04/2016 at 01:42:58
Shite, embarrassing, humiliating, gutless... that stench will be with us for a long time.

I take my hat of to the Blues fans who stayed for 97 minutes, having Olé rammed down their ears.

Steve Barr
420 Posted 21/04/2016 at 01:43:18
Mark Wilson #404 Spot on mate. Only thing I would add is that those who appointed Martinez should resign once they sack him.

Not hindsight, but he was never the right appointment.

Derek Cowell
421 Posted 21/04/2016 at 01:45:36
I've been watching EFC for 50 years and that is THE WORST performance I can remember!! Martinez must go on Saturday night when we inevitably lose (probably heavily) to Man Utd. However, it has to be said that the selected players were woeful tonight. They showed no fight, spirit or passion and gave the ball away at every opportunity.

Never mind the manager's totally inept tactics and team formation that was a disgraceful effort from professional players who should all give their outrageous weekly wages to charity asap!!

Robles was the only one to come out with any credit and he undoubtedly kept the score down. In fact I regard 4-0 as somewhat of a success because if I was a kopite I'd be well pissed off that they squandered a chance to win 10-0. Their finishing was awful!!

I just can't see another win this season. It is a total disgrace that those players are getting 40, 50, 60+ thousand pounds a week and a crime that RM is on ١m a year for that utter shite!!

I've never been so disgusted as a blue but I have to say I also feel numb and nowhere near as angry and upset as I should (and have been in every other derby defeat). I fully expected a poor defeat and was resigned to it, as I am to Saturday but it just shouldn't be like this!!

It was just far worse than expected this time and there is only one solution... a new manager and a wholesale clear out of players who think that they are better than they actually are!!

Patrick Murphy
422 Posted 21/04/2016 at 01:53:45
Derek (421) If I had my way Roberto would have been sacked in the Anfield car-park immediately after the game, I really cannot see any reason to keep him in his job a minute longer. We might lose on Saturday regardless of who picks the team but giving Roberto the opportunity to do so would be due more to the club trying to save a few pennies in compensation, rather than making a decision which would best serve the club and its supporters.

As for the players I would be tempted to tell most of them to go on holiday until August and give the youngsters an opportunity to stake their claim for first team places and who knows a chance to win the FA Cup, most of our senior players don't deserve to have that opportunity after tonight's gutless and insipid performance.

Dave Abrahams
423 Posted 21/04/2016 at 01:56:13
I was on a plane home while the match was being played, but I get the drift of how utterly poor we were, I willed them to win but I am obviously not surprised we got battered.

Martinez lost this team weeks ago, they (the players) sacked him tonight, he can not motivate them in any shape or form, and hasn't done so for months.

Whether he gets the push tonight or not, there is no way he can be allowed to pick or manage the team on Saturday, he should be told to take a break while his future is sorted out.

His back room staff should also be told to take a break as well, senior players should have the nous to sort out the team selection and let David Unsworth try and sort out some plan for the defence, none of us can now expect the team to win on Saturday, but we can and will expect some pride and fight in the team.

All of us who go on Saturday will get behind the team and all we can do do is hope for the best. I can not stomach Martinez now but I despise that bastard Kenwright with a vengeance, he has put my club in this position and just sits and does nothing, he makes me sick and yet plenty of fans still think "He is one of us" – he never could be one of us.

Bill Gall
424 Posted 21/04/2016 at 02:00:13
I think he should have more time, preferably 5 years in a penitentiary for systematically destroying a proud club, and ruining numerous families favorite pastimes, causing harmful effects to their children.
Jamie Sweet
425 Posted 21/04/2016 at 02:21:55
Our record since being told "What A Manager" we have:

P6 - W0 - D3 - L3 - F2 - A9

...including the most gutless performance in a Merseyside Derby in living memory.


Lukaku's record since scoring a worldie and telling the world he's ready for Champions League football:

Blank Blank Blank Blank DNP Blank


Amount of fight and hunger shown by our team since booking a place at Wembley:

FUCK ALL!


Either we're saving up an hell of a lot of desire and brilliance for Saturday, or the whole lot of them can do one as far as I'm concerned.

Utterly gutless, clueless and pathetic.

Ernie Baywood
426 Posted 21/04/2016 at 02:24:27
I'll guarantee that these young players will go on to have good careers. Slate Stones all you want, and he deserves it, but the club is riddled at the moment.

Our last remaining centre half went off in a derby because he felt sick. Pathetic. I'd like to say you would have to drag me off but that's the culture at the club right now. The players don't care, and that has been excused by the manager all season.

I expected us to get battered. There wasn't even a lingering doubt or hope for me. When tested, this current team folds. And they had injury excuses from the start and a bigger game ahead. Once the red was given they had the perfect scenario to stand themselves down and took it gleefully.

The only surprise for me is that Roberto's still there. I guess we have to wait for the morning to see what the club will do. I wouldn't have lasted this long in making my decision.

A change in management might give me some hope for Saturday, but right now I fully expect a humiliation. They've still got all the same excuses and they'll fold again.

Jack Mason
427 Posted 21/04/2016 at 02:25:23
Pat @ 422.

Don't worry mate, there's no need for such drastic measures. Martinez and Kenwright, two chancers who never had the means or skill to justify their position in the first place. At least one of them will be gone in the summer, maybe even earlier.

As painful as it is, in the present circumstances, it's just blood letting. Thank God this sorry chapter in our history, is coming to an end.

Dan Davies
428 Posted 21/04/2016 at 02:30:08
Snowball effect. MARTINEZ OUT. Whats it going to take for Bungling Bill to make a decision? Ametuer Chairman OUT.

MARTINEZ OUT. I could keep going til dawn fuck work!

Steve Hogan
429 Posted 21/04/2016 at 02:32:57
Can't wait for the EFC 'end of season' awards' at St Georges Hall in June, no doubt the imbecile if he's still there, will put a positive spin on it.

Hope he finds his 'special place' soon, as far away from Goodison Park as possible, and takes his team of 'losers' on the ex -Wigan staff with him.

Roman Sidey
430 Posted 21/04/2016 at 02:44:21
Mark Wilson, it may not seem like life and death, but it actually is a livelihood for some. Forget the fans who are so in love with the club that this will hurt and ruin their week (I'm one of them), but, to paraphrase Jermaine Defoe (whom I never thought had this in him), the success of the club affects the employees of the club.

The stewards, the laundry workers, the kit sellers, the canteen workers. A lot of those people will lose their jobs if the club gets relegated, or even if crowds start declining.

I was going to buy a jersey for this season, but felt buying a top for nearly $100 before shipping was endorsing the shambles that has been our board and has become our team. I'm only one person, but I bet many others take the same approach.

Jack Mason
431 Posted 21/04/2016 at 02:47:29
I posted a few months back that Evertonians are always the first to know who is getting the sack.

Because ultimately, when we are so riled, It's not Everton that's the slumbering giant. It us. Evertonians. We are the club. We have momentum now. More unified than in a long time. If you want change, keep the pressure up, not just on Martinez but on the board. They are the one's who make the decisions.

It's just a matter of time. This deadwood has festered at the heart of our club for too long now.

Chris Skelland
432 Posted 21/04/2016 at 02:51:51
As a scouser living in Brisbane I had to get up at 5am to watch today's game. I was joined by my 11-year-old son and 9-yearold daughter who got up as well to watch there beloved blues.

What unfolded before our bleary eyes was utter rubbish. No fight, No heart, No idea and hopefully soon No Manager - "Taxi for Bobby".

I'll be up on Sunday morning at 2:15am to watch the FA Cup Semi-Final, unsure if my kids will be joining me after today's fiasco.

Safe journey and good luck to all the Toffee's travelling to Wembley on Saturday. Sing loud and proud ..... "We shall not be moved".

Mark Rimmer
433 Posted 21/04/2016 at 03:09:14
It's 3am and Martinez still hasn't been sacked, I'm not sleeping till he's gone.
Alex Moore
434 Posted 21/04/2016 at 03:09:46
Say whatever you want about Martinez but I'm also pissed at our defensive line.

More shoddy marking I have never seen. The first goal stones gets outmuscled on a jump ball.

The second goal... I don't know where the hell Baines was going, he literally drifted completely away from his man as if he thought the ball was going to be slotted out. But he left a player unmarked in the center of our 6 yard line.

God almighty our off the ball awareness is shit all across the board. Everyone keeps talking about how much talent has been squandered.

These last few weeks, I'm not so sure anymore. I think I feel I've overestimated our talent level somewhat.

Jack Mason
435 Posted 21/04/2016 at 03:16:25
Alex @ 334.

"Say whatever you want about Martinez but I'm also pissed at our defensive line".

If you can't see by now, that after three seasons. Forgetting his time at Wigan. That if you can't see that the sole responsibility comes down to his coaching methods. At this stage, I'd have to ask you, just what do you think a manager does at a club?

Ernie Baywood
436 Posted 21/04/2016 at 03:42:47
If I was BK I would have had a taxi waiting for the final whistle. Then gone into the changing room and looked every player in the eye and asked them if they had it in them to win on Saturday. No? Ok, fuck off.

This feels like rock bottom. I won't feel any worse if we get battered by Man Utd. It won't be a new low, just a new same in a series of lows.

I suspect the players are like us. They need someone to give them some hope. Give them a reason to believe. That's not Roberto. He's a brave and foolish man trying to be a great leader. In no way do I hate him for that, and I think the players should feel ashamed of their performances for him. He's not up to the job, but he's stuck his neck out time and time again for these blokes.

The club is bigger than any of them. Saturday is bigger than any player or manager – it has the potential to be part of our history.

For me, the most disappointing thing is that we haven't yet reacted. We have a big game on Saturday and need a change right now.

I'd give Joe Royle two days with them to explain the significance of the game and the responsibility they have to this club and its supporters.

Alex Moore
437 Posted 21/04/2016 at 03:53:08
Jack Mason #435

I'll ask you the same question you asked me. Just what do you think a manager does at a club?

All tactical ineptitude aside, no manager can stand on the pitch and hold his players' hands, and teach them to guard players off the ball, or to cut down on passing lanes.

Is the poor marking partly a symptom of poor tactical philosophy on that side of the ball from Martinez? Is it due to players not knowing their roles or responsibilities due to poor coaching? Quite possibly. I'm not sure what instructions he gives the boys in regards to those things.

But as I watched it unfold, the errors could've been prevented quite easily with more sound defending, and it had nothing to do with tactics (once the ball was played into the box), and everything to do with our defenders not positioning themselves appropriately.

Especially on the second goal, watch Baines misread the ball and leave the goal scorer completely unmarked. Is that a Manager's job, to teach players to read and react to a play? Not at this level.

You think Martinez is going to be gone, and were going to jump right into the top 5? I don't think so. I hope I'm wrong, but I think there's more than one thing wrong with this club right now.

Mark Andersson
438 Posted 21/04/2016 at 03:59:19
Wow well over 400 posts, Dave Abrahams I always respect your views, and I 100% concur with what you say about Kenwright.

As far as the game went tonight, there was no surprise for this fan. Same again on Saturday if Martinez is still manager.

Bill Kenwright, you are not one of us, your a phony like Martinez.

Ernie Baywood
439 Posted 21/04/2016 at 04:02:26
You're absolutely right Alex. The players should be doing better, but I'm not convinced they just don't have the ability.

Roberto, either directly or in a managerial capacity sets the team up, trains the team, picks the team, and gives the team feedback.

To date, he has excused every deficiency. The manager sets the culture – ours is one of zero accountability. Defeats are acceptable. Conceding sloppy goals is acceptable. Lack of effort is acceptable. You can see it right through the team. They're conditioned for mediocrity.

Blaming Roberto doesn't make the players' efforts acceptable, it just holds someone accountable. He is accountable for this.

In the summer whoever is here will need to look at the lack of spine in this team... and recruit to address it.

Jack Mason
440 Posted 21/04/2016 at 04:07:23
I agree Alex but if it's been going on for season after season. The blame lies at the foot of the manager. And ultimately those who hired him.

We'd never be allowed to get away with it in our respective professional lives. I said earlier the players badly under-performed.

In my case, I wouldn't sack the staff, I'd sack their manager. Because the responsibility is held by those who hired them. If the failures were still manifesting, my business would go under because ultimately I was getting it wrong and evidently incompetent. Justifiably so, I'd take the ramifications of that.

Jay Harris
441 Posted 21/04/2016 at 04:09:27
Danny I have just sent an email to Mr Kenwright and would implore Michael and Lyndon if so inclined to get a ToffeeWeb poll off to him and the other board members.

I know Jon woods has had enough of him I feel it is just BK who needs a big push.

This train wreck of a situation cannot go to the close season.

Jack Mason
442 Posted 21/04/2016 at 04:11:27
Ernie @ 439.

In a nutshell. Accountability.

Alex Moore
443 Posted 21/04/2016 at 04:18:48
Jack Mason 440

I agree, and your business analogy was spot on! But I still blame our "staff" as well, especially the last few matches in regards to the lack of effort out there . Whether it has been bred into them by our manager or not. They're grown men, and the motivation to fight should be intrinsic.

Ernie 439

Well said! I think we're on the same page, I hold Martinez to account for the exact reasons you mentioned. I'm just frustrated with the on-field effort (did you guys see the throw in where Oviedo was standing there for 10 seconds and not a single player made a run? I was about to lose my mind!)

Jack Mason
444 Posted 21/04/2016 at 04:33:56
@ 441 Jay.

Good on ya mate. Michael and Lyndon are already doing their best providing us all with a platform, other sites too. Fundamentally we don't need anyone else but ourselves.

It was unpleasant, that a fellow Evertonian had to demonstrate on the pitch last Saturday. But I wholeheartedly support that action. I don't think he was eejit. Just like, I didn't think a thousand cushions raining down vs Coventry was. I thought it was a beautiful thing.

Tempering that, we've got a game on Saturday and Martinez is very fortunate to be given the chance to walk out with our team at Wembley. So hold your fire as understandable as anger and frustrations are right now. The levee will break soon.

Paul Kossoff
445 Posted 21/04/2016 at 04:35:58
The players should be ashamed of themselves, not playing for the manager is not acceptable, what about the fans?

If you can't be bothered playing for the club that pays you then hand in a transfer request and leave.

Jack Mason
446 Posted 21/04/2016 at 04:43:09
I agree Alex @ 443.

But look at the effect Klopp has had at the journeyman players at the lot over the park. It's quite a change. Good managers do that. Sahko ffs, we made him look like a world beater, Ogri too,

Should the players be blamed, absolutely. The manager, he was schooled tonight mate, hopefully he's learned his lesson for Van Gaal on Saturday. Sorry to say, I'm not holding my breath. It's a watershed week in Everton's history.

Jamie Crowley
447 Posted 21/04/2016 at 05:04:41
One of my Blue mates sent this to me this evening.

Ummmmm. YES! Every single word.

It's panic time. Act or die.

It's fucking midnight here in the ol USA and I'm still just FURIOUS! 6 a.m. over there and you poor bastards are waking up to face the day... A day full of being on the end of the shit stick listening to all those rs fuckholes blast away.

We HAVE to make a change. It's negligence of the highest order if we don't as the Club continues its downward spiral into chaotic hell.

https://www.facebook.com/ToffeeTVEFC/videos/1284895304873196/

Mark Burton
448 Posted 21/04/2016 at 05:09:39
This is one of the longest nightmares. I wish I could pinch myself and wake up with Martinez gone. It has become very hard to hold a football conversation when being an Everton supporter. There is just nothing to say.

While walking through us last night, the Liverpool supporters were laughing at our complete inability to compete. I'm afraid that Martinez will not leave as he will squirm his way back and humiliate us again on Saturday. Please go, Martinez, you are out of your league.

Jimmi James
449 Posted 21/04/2016 at 05:50:17
I've read it all now and we all feel the same. One thing though, you can't blame RM for the players not putting a shift in. Yes, he wants them to play his way but they could at least fuckin work hard at it.

To say they are not playing for the manager is bollocks. These are professional athletes for gods sake and should have more pride in themselves. Lowest of the low tonight.

Brian Porter
450 Posted 21/04/2016 at 06:19:32
I don't blame the players. Can you imagine what it's like to go to work every day, knowing you're working for an imbecile who knows less than you do about his job?

I was at one time the Area Manager for a large company, overseeing the running of a number of high street retail outlets. I soon learned we had a couple of managers whose stores continually failed to reach their weekly targets.

I quickly identified weaknesses in the individual managers, but also realised the staff, while not performing their jobs to the best of their ability, actually enjoyed working fir the company but couldn't respond to their manager's poor leadership so were going through the motions rather than excelling at their jobs.

When those managers failed to respond to my entreaties to change their ways, I dismissed them, hired new managers and hey presto, those stores, with exactly the same staff, began to hit their targets within weeks of the new managers taking over. They had belief once again, in the company for acting to replace poor managers and due to the new, better managers, they believed in themselves again. Same staff, different results.

The same applies here. Get rid of RM and I believe we'll see a vast difference in the players attitudes and results.

Peter Barry
451 Posted 21/04/2016 at 06:30:32
My email to BILLY LIAR at info@kenwright.com I encourage all Evertonians to do like wise.

Dear Mr Kenwright or should I call you Boys Pen Billy,

Strangely I don't recall seeing you in the Boys Pen back in the day when supposedly you and I were both there but then we both probably looked at lot different in those days. But as you can see I like you am a lifelong Evertonian having been taken to my first games as a seven year old back in the mid '50's by my Father himself a lifelong Evertonian and my Grandfather ditto.

I have stood on the Gwladys Street end and sat in the stands for hundreds of matches and also on my worldwide travels followed Everton on hard to hear worldservice broadcasts in the Kalahari desert and in the Persian Gulf and now watch when I can on the worldwide TV networks that broadcast the Prem live.In all those years I have reached the heights of pleasure at our League, Cup and European triumphs and also of course suffered innumerable disappointments as is the nature of football and I have no complaints about that at all. But that brings us to YOUR Chairmanship and YOUR choices of Mangers, Moyes and Martinez, both of whom were just not good enough. Moyes was a steady hand but lacked the ambition and drive to take Everton to the next level and the deceitful underhanded way he left still leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Now we come to Martinez who in their right mind would take a Manager that has just seen his team relegated and hand him control of the team he purports to love , its just not logical, and so it has proved to be Martinez has performed exactly as he has done in all his time in the Prem, and his record was there for all to see.

So do the decent thing Mr Kenwright put him and us long suffering Evertonians out of our misery and get rid of him NOW. He does not deserve the honour of leading out our beloved Everton team at Wembley.


Mark Daley
452 Posted 21/04/2016 at 06:43:17
Anthony Dwyer 332: I think I've been a Blue since about 1969 (I don't remember losing to WBA in 1968) - perhaps longer than you? God knows what I did in my past life to deserve it.

The moderator has deleted my post anyway (a shame because I thought it was quite good) but what I said is true: as the Norwegian commentator said "your boys took one hell of a beating", and the likes of Dixie Dean, Tommy Lawton, Howard Kendall and Alan Ball etc. will be turning in their graves.

Dave Lynch
453 Posted 21/04/2016 at 06:45:59
We weren't even competitive and that in itself is a crime in a derby.

Cannot add anything to what has been said above, with 10 mins to go I skulked out of the ground and shuffled back to the car in the shadows like some thief in the night.

Head down and totally ashamed, it shouldn't be like that.

Ste Traverse
454 Posted 21/04/2016 at 06:46:54
No doubt Kenwright is happy. We are at Wembley on Saturday and it's a chance for this useless curse on our club to hog the limelight.

If he was a proper supporter he would have fucked off this phoney twat straight after the final whistle.

Jack Mason
455 Posted 21/04/2016 at 06:50:32
@ Brian 450.

Nail on the head. Accountability and responsibility. After all, you know if you hadn't of made those hard decisions, your head would be on the line next.

Rightly so. We all have to live by the same standards. Why shouldn't it be different for Everton Football Club. Thankfully, Martinez will be gone soon.

If we as supporters want a future that isn't mired by abject failure, mediocrity and underachievement, for the love of God, let's make sure Kenwright and his cronies have nothing to do with anything that resembles the future of Everton.

'Cause if your looking for scapegoats for last night, there is only one man responsible for it and it's the same man who is responsible for you waking up this morning with Martinez still in charge.

Roger Helm
456 Posted 21/04/2016 at 07:00:42
I have followed Everton since 1971 and this is the worst time for the club I can remember. The 90s team was rubbish but at least they went down fighting. Last night we made a poor Liverpool side look like Barcelona.

The present players are over-hyped and over-rated and mentally weak. I think only Barry and Robles can hold their head up just now.

The players are bought, trained, motivated and organised by the manager. He has failed on all these counts and any proper club would get rid. If he stays it will be a relegation fight next term, and we haven't any fighters.

I think on Saturday we will be just playing for pride but it seems we have none of that either. As for Dunc and Unsy leading them out, we couldn't do any worse if they pulled on blue shirts and played.

Daniel Joseph
457 Posted 21/04/2016 at 07:04:34
Was that worse than the Glenn Keeley derby @ Goodison? No. They didn't sack Kendall after that either.

Martinez will be in charge in August – put your mortgage on it

Mike Green
458 Posted 21/04/2016 at 07:11:22
I don't 'do' Twitter but have just Googled John W. Henry Twitter and seen his "bush league v Divock" tweet. I'm still not convinced this isn't a hoax, given my naivety to it, but it looks real.....yes?

Is he for real? Seriously? If so I genuinely can't believe he's done that.

Jack Mason
459 Posted 21/04/2016 at 07:17:31
Dan @ 457.

I'll place a bet on it with you right now mate. I can guarantee you, besides Martinez being no Kendall. He will not be our manager come August.

Michael Evans
461 Posted 21/04/2016 at 07:28:52
Couldn't watch the game as I suspected we'd get hammered – sadly I was right

RM's only claim to fame may be provoking a record number of TW posts?

Chris Leyland
462 Posted 21/04/2016 at 07:44:28
Mike Green, the least of your worries should be about what the owner of Liverpool may or may not have posted on Twitter. Who cares?

Meanwhile, our own club is in a state of crisis. We are leaderless from top to bottom. We are in a state of rapid decline and we have been humiliated by our neighbours. I'd be more worried about that.

Mike Green
463 Posted 21/04/2016 at 07:58:49
Chris (#462) – I agree, totally, I'm just amazed he's done that in his position. Unnecessary, immature and pretty incendiary. I'm not trying to divert away from our colossal issues but that's plumbing the depths for me.
Jimmi James
464 Posted 21/04/2016 at 08:04:24
Roger (#456), I don't agree I think this LFC side is better than we like to think but it's been all change from decent players under Brenda to a good team under Klopp and therein lies the difference TEAM.

I hate to say it but I think the guys saying RM will still be here in August could be right. I believe RM has offered his resignation after last night which has been refused by Kenwright, sad to say but that's how I think it is.

Colin Glassar
465 Posted 21/04/2016 at 08:12:35
Hopefully this will be a watershed moment in our history. Surely Moshiri can see the malaise BK has allowed to seep through every level of the club. The acceptance of mediocrity from the hierarchy down to the lukewarm piss served up by the tea lady has to be rooted out and rooted out decisively.

If Moshiri has any real ambitions he'll do a complete sweep, fumigation included, of the present regime. We need revolution, not reform.

Anthony Dwyer
466 Posted 21/04/2016 at 08:24:57
Couldn't agree more Colin.

From top to bottom we are rotten, big Neville Southall said as much a few months back.

Anyone who does not believe that Everton should be the best, should not work at the club, that includes Bill Kenwright who has allowed us to be run by Martinez and his League 1 clan.

Things have to change now.

Max Levy
467 Posted 21/04/2016 at 08:29:43
I'll be travelling to London tomorrow like thousands of others, and I expect to come back dejected and angry yet again. Mr Kenwright, please give us the respect we deserve and do not let this shambolic excuse for a manager show his face in that stadium.

That's all. A simple request. What could be the downside? There's no way down when you're at rock bottom already.

Jack Mason
468 Posted 21/04/2016 at 08:31:41
Couldn't agree more Colin, we're half way though the day of reckoning. After it's finished let's hope the axe falls on both these unmitigated disasters.
Ray Jacques
469 Posted 21/04/2016 at 08:33:11
For all those on here saying blame the players and not the manager. Just take a long, hard look at what is happening across the park with the same squad of players for your answer.

Tony Abrahams
470 Posted 21/04/2016 at 08:36:45
Mark 433, if he's not gone by tomorrow, I will bring you a few sleeping tablets round, so you can fall asleep all weekend.

Like Sturridge said, nobody's that good/bad, it's the work you do on the training ground, that ultimately determines how you perform.

Why wait till Saturday night to sack him? Why, why, fuckingwhy?

Phil Walling
472 Posted 21/04/2016 at 09:00:14
Jimmie and Roger, what's to argue about? Any team in any sport is only as good as the results it is able to produce. Opinion on whether or not its potential is being fulfilled or whether the skills of individual players are fully exploited is a different matter altogether.

Only the RESULTS the team obtains go in the record book. On the evidence of last night, only one of those teams is successful... and it sure ain't Everton!

Helen Mallon
473 Posted 21/04/2016 at 09:06:14
Someone needs to get hold of Lukaku and Stones and say, "If you don't play better, then you will be kept by the club and won't be fucking sold."

Pair of gobshites...

Craig Walker
474 Posted 21/04/2016 at 09:14:46
Don #319. Put any blame on the players? Are you serious?

I've seen some bad Everton teams in my time but that, last night was a new low. It doesn't matter what you think of the manager, a ball shouldn't bounce off you when it's played to your feet. When you have an opportunity to make their keeper work, you don't dally with the ball or blaze it over in a rush of blood to the head. You don't get out jumped as a centre half by a third rate striker. You don't make stupid fouls near are own box. How many times do we do this? You don't play a ball with no accuracy to a midfield player when you're the last man back (after you've done this countless times already and it has got you into trouble). You don't throw your hands up in the air instead of getting the ball back (after making comments of "wanting Champions League football").

And worst of all, you don't rake your studs down a third rate striker's achilles.

I don't mind putting up with the "shite" tag all day today. I've got used to it. I hate putting up with the "dirty, cheating, bitter Blues" tag. Funes Mori tugging on his badge as though he's Alan Ball and we idolise him was one of the most despicable things I've seen done by an Everton player. There is no place at Everton for that.

Mike T Jones
475 Posted 21/04/2016 at 09:16:40
In work. I feel so embarrassed and ashamed.
Gary Heywood
476 Posted 21/04/2016 at 09:19:46
We made James Milner look world class, that's how useless we are.
James Marshall
478 Posted 21/04/2016 at 09:32:20
Still, only one more decent defeat should do the trick. I feel sorry for all you blues travelling down and spending your cash on the semi-final, I really do.

The saddest thing is that what you might be paying for is the sacking of Martinez.... Every cloud eh.

Tony Dove
480 Posted 21/04/2016 at 09:35:10
In the cold light of day I just feel very embarrassed.

You could obviously write a book on the bad things just from yesterday, but the Oviedo situation sums up all the incompetence. He had a shocking game on Saturday in his natural left sided position. He is woefully one footed and has been a disaster before when played at right back and yesterday he was truly awful. We know who will be playing right back on Saturday don't we?

I had hoped to wake up to the news that RM had resigned or been placed in a straight-jacket with Joe Royle taking over for the rest of the season. There's still time though. It's the hope that keeps you going.

Max Levy
481 Posted 21/04/2016 at 09:35:22
9:35am and not sacked yet. Keep checking the Web.
Nick Page
482 Posted 21/04/2016 at 09:35:42
I sincerely hope people are using social media and also emailing
Bill.Kenwright@Evertonfc.com and Robert.Elstone@everonfc.com

To make their feelings known. This is definitely a new low and its fucking painful and these bastards like Kenwright need to know how everyone feels. Lack of money can't be used as an excuse anymore!!!

Don Alexander
483 Posted 21/04/2016 at 09:38:33
Craig, I just think the players share our view of Martinez and the sooner he's sacked the better for them too. They're caught between two stools. If they play to their best he, with Blue Bill's ludicrous support, might get to stay. If they engineer his demise the fans turn on them. I really think it's that toxic in the club.

Whether or not the mere sacking of Martinez can heal the wound is a moot point. To me Kenwright has a helluva lot to answer for nothwithstanding any good he might have done way back in the day.

Dan Davies
484 Posted 21/04/2016 at 09:38:51
Has Bungle fired him yet?
Jim Bailey
486 Posted 21/04/2016 at 09:51:13
Let's see if we can make 500 comments
Jim Lloyd
489 Posted 21/04/2016 at 09:57:51
I often walk up past the ground on my way for a walk. Looking at the timeline, I see some great moments (bloody hell! that word!) Looking at the vision that our forefathers had and so many firsts that EFC can claim.

And until the dawn of the Premiership, we were one of the most successful teams in the English first Division. Even after the drought from the early seventies to the mid eighties, then after brief flowering, until now (bar for one FA Cup, thanks to Joe and his team in 95) we are still one of the most successful teams ever.

Now we might have a chance of being able to compete again but I think there's one more space on the timeline required. That will hopefully be filled when Bill Kenwright sods off and takes Elstone with him.

But before he goes, he could do the club a favour and put us all out of our misery, by accepting the manager's resignation.

Ian Hams
490 Posted 21/04/2016 at 09:59:36
Martinez truly out of his depth last night, Stones looked close to tears when he left the pitch,still only a talented school boy who needs to grow a pair.

Funes Mori looked like that tackle was meant for Martinez, that wasn't a team playing out there last night just a group of players with no plan or no confidence in the plan they were given.

An absolute embarrassment.... so glad I'm not at work till Monday.

Nick Page
491 Posted 21/04/2016 at 10:02:38
Agreed, Jim. But that scumbag Kenwright has just got a load of money for his favourite train set (and his filthy offshore friends).....he's still Chairman for Gods sake. How has this happened. I can't see the two-faced get leaving anytime soon
Phil Parker
492 Posted 21/04/2016 at 10:03:49
Alan Brazil has just said he has heard Mourinio not going to United. This is the chance of a lifetime. Go and get him.
Jim Lloyd
494 Posted 21/04/2016 at 10:07:57
No Nick, I think you're right. He is so arrogant and thinks he's the beating heart of the club (the world's best Blue!!!) when actually he's suffocating it.
Dan Davies
496 Posted 21/04/2016 at 10:11:46
500 comments here we come... c'mon Bungling Bill let's be having a press conference for midday please.

Put us out of our misery. Even better show Martinez some mercy and get rid, the man is punch drunk and in no fit state to prepare us for a semi-final.

James Marshall
497 Posted 21/04/2016 at 10:16:19
Tony Dove, I agree – I know a lot of people like Oviedo, but he's a very limited footballer. I have a feeling with our defence in tatters (it already was) that we're going to (as an RS mate of mine put it last night) get torn a new arsehole.

The silver lining from all of this is the hopeful firing of the payaso español.

Phil Parker
498 Posted 21/04/2016 at 10:19:30
For Saturday, put Big Joe in overall charge, with Unsy (his U21 team was superbly drilled and motivated on Monday) and big Dunc to fire them up even more. Then get Mourinio for next season. Let's start acting like the club I was brought up to love. The best. Nil Satis Nisi Optimum.
Clive Rogers
501 Posted 21/04/2016 at 10:28:20
Personally I hold Kenwright entirely responsible for this shambles. When everybody else are hiring top European managers, he goes for one from just relegated Wigan just because he promised top four.
Kenwright is an idiot who has almost destroyed EFC.
Kevin Tully
502 Posted 21/04/2016 at 10:35:38
It's gone waaaayyy past a defining moment, or even a defining week as described here or in the media. The last hope that Martinez could turn things around left weeks ago, probably after the West Ham game.

You can always tell when players have lost faith, and we a now a classic case of just that. There is actually no argument for Martinez staying a minute longer. I just hope they act, preferably before the weekend. 32,000 blues will be cheering on the team and spending hundreds of pounds in the process this Saturday. Don't embarrass any longer.

Jack Mason
503 Posted 21/04/2016 at 10:35:47
Good post Jim.

I think we all recognise it. Unfortunately it's just got to play out. Kenwright isn't going to back down now. He didn't over Kirkby. His reign is in it's death throes. Last throw of the dice, that imaginary walk up the steps won't be for him.

He won't give up though and you've got to give him credit for that. he just backed the wrong horse and seriously underestimated Evertonians appetite for romantic boy's pen, deluded bullshit.

James Marshall
504 Posted 21/04/2016 at 10:37:20
A nice piece on the BBC here from McNulty - sums it up pretty well in my view, without the Evertonian vitriol we all feel toward RM.

Link

David Hallwood
505 Posted 21/04/2016 at 10:37:55
OK it's all been said, but here's my 10p worth. Firstly Martinez has been a prem manager for 7 seasons, and his teams have shipped 412 goals, which is an average of 1.57 goals a game. A team managed by him would need the Barca 3 with Ronaldo thrown in for good measure to win the league. Now either RM doesn't care about defence and has a "you score 2 we'll score 3" philosophy, or he works on defence and is just shite at it-either way it ain't working.

However for the posters that stated they don't blame the players-GTF!! these are the same players, one of who is 'ready for the Championship' oh sorry Champions League, the same players that pundit after pundit, not just delusional Dave in blue-tinted glasses, have said is as good as Spurs squad, the same players who only 3 months ago the Liverpool Echo's sports' writers picked a 'best of' team with 7 blues and 4RS-where were they last night?

Since the EPL inception, I've witnessed some horrible derbies, but never one as gutless as this one; when it was relegation battlers up against a member of the SKY 4, at least the Mitch Wards, Scott Gemills, and Gareth Farrellys put a shift in, unlike 'the brightest talent in Europe'- shameful, shameful. Last night took me back to the early 80's men against boys derbies; but at least we were against the best team in Europe, and this RS doesn't come close to that.

Onto the game itself: yes he had to shuffle the defence but he must know that Oviedo cannot play RB, and then he compounds the problem by putting Lennon on the left, when he could've doubled up with Oviedo, yet another mad Martinez team selection that's getting increasingly erratic. I'm not overly fond of stats, but 15 RS shots on target to zip by us with only 3 heat spots in their pen area all game-surely it can't get any worse can it??

James Marshall
506 Posted 21/04/2016 at 10:44:09
Dave Hallwood - I would counter your argument about the same players, by taking a look at the RS team. Same squad that was shite under Brenda - new manager, new outlook, vastly improved results.

Get rid of Martinez, get in someone who can motivate them, because this is a talented squad no doubt - they're just all over the place. We have no shape, no pressing, zonal marking, shambolic lack of organisation - that is down to the manager because the players are doing what they're told to do by him.

He's lost, and so are they as a result.

Bring in a manager with sensible tactics and the ability to motivate, and you watch them blossom ala the RS under Klopp.

Alan J Thompson
507 Posted 21/04/2016 at 10:55:22
Martinez should have been sacked immediately after this game but I can understand if it comes after being beaten on the weekend but to want "Welly it down the line" Unsworth or "Wot me get off the injured list" Ferguson to take over, no matter for how little time, is just going from worst to bad.

If anyone should take over until the end of season it has to be Joe Royle. He can stir them up and probably would graciously step aside.

James Marshall
508 Posted 21/04/2016 at 11:00:07
Alan, I would suggest the players could do better without a manager at the moment. Is there any rule to say you have to have a manager?

Give it to Hibbo & Ossie till the end of the season - what's the worst that could happen?

Dave Abrahams
509 Posted 21/04/2016 at 11:08:20
Like all of you on here I feel so useless because none of us can do do anything to make things happen to relieve the agony of being an Everton fan today.

I truly feel so absolutely sorry for the fans who went to Anfield last night and had to endure that nightmare, and the taunts of the red fans, we will get over it but in the meantime "Nero" Kenwright continues to fiddle while we burn.

God help us.

Phil Parker
510 Posted 21/04/2016 at 11:18:22
For Saturday, get Big Joe in, with Unsy, – his U21 team on Monday was well drilled, fit and motivated. Add in Duncan to really fire the players up. Then go for Mourinho for next season.

Let's start acting like the club I was brought up to love. The best. Nil Satis Nisi Optimum.

Jack Mason
511 Posted 21/04/2016 at 11:18:35
James @ 504.

It's not that I disagree with the article mate. But McNulty's one of those who are always getting the last kick in. And I could name more of the usual suspects.

Thing is, whatever he says , it's three months too late, longer than that in reality, posted on here awhile back.

If you want to quote real reporting, there's Lyndon, Michael, Ken, Phil, Colin, Patrick, Harold, God rest his soul etc...The list of the contributors on this site is endless. All of them have a far greater understanding of what's going on at Everton.

Graham Mockford
512 Posted 21/04/2016 at 11:22:57
Everyone knows it is just a matter of when other than if, his demeanour last night suggested Martinez knows it himself.

I still think he will still be leading the side out on Saturday although I strongly suspect it will make no difference anyway.

Of course anything is possible , but the team is broken. We will have a half strength team, bereft of confidence and spirit playing a United team on the up.

It genuinely crossed my mind to not go on Saturday as I woke up this morning. Of course I will but I have certainly never gone to Wembley expecting to get tanked.

David Hallwood
513 Posted 21/04/2016 at 11:28:56
James (#506) I want Martinez out like everyone else preferably before the semi-final, but the players, all internationals all supposedly at the top if their game must take a long, hard look at themselves.

To reintegrate I've seen inferior players, vastly inferior players put a better preform and than the shame I witnessed last night.

Be interesting to read Ken Buckley's report; he'll probably rename it from behind my seat


John Critchley
514 Posted 21/04/2016 at 11:33:19
Do our players not have a footballing brain between them? Do they have to do everything Martinez tells them, when it comes to heading, passing tackling etc. Or will they get dropped or fined?

I'm asking because when I used to play Sunday league football (I know a million miles away from Premier League standard) but I didn't need a manager to tell me how to do things on the pitch, I knew my place on the team, i.e. Where to be, who to pass to, who to cover for if that person was out of position etc.

So why can't this shower just ignore Martinez, and do what they are paid for, and not to implement ridiculous orders from RM?

Alan J Thompson
516 Posted 21/04/2016 at 11:39:52
James (#508); Yes, a manager is required in order that there is one opinion in what should be happening on the pitch not eleven and it must come from someone respected not someone who cannot make the First XI.
Mike Moore
517 Posted 21/04/2016 at 11:40:48
Has anyone noticed a similarity to Aston Villa at the end of last season? Awful in the league but managed to over achieve in the FA Cup getting to the final only to be battered by Arsenal. Look at them now, due to mismanagement and a directionless chairman.

I honestly fear if changes aren't made NOW – not Monday or next month or next season, but Now! – then we are going the same way... a proud traditional club fading.

SAD!!!

James Marshall
518 Posted 21/04/2016 at 11:47:11
David - that's the point isn't it? Inferior players doing better as a team = bad organisation, bad management. Peter Reid just mentioned how open we are when we lose the ball, and we've all been saying that all season.

None of this is news.

Jack@511 - Absolutely agree. The thing about the McNulty article is that it's on the BBC site which means exposure. Yes all those TW contributors have been writing the same thing for months, but this get's it out further.

An RS mate of mine said last night, that he didn't even know of the bad feeling toward Martinez - that says it all.

Alan@516 - I was kind of joking about not having a manager!

Alan J Thompson
519 Posted 21/04/2016 at 11:52:41
My apologies, James, but I'm finding humour in it very hard at the moment.
Paul Doyle
520 Posted 21/04/2016 at 11:53:33
Just a couple of thoughts I want to put out there.

For those saying we can't sack soft lad because we have a semi-final, didn't we sack Bingham before the second leg of a semi-final in the League Cup So we have done it before.

Some on here have been asking, "What is Duncan doing about this?" Let me tell you, Martinez has him doing nothing with the first team and actually barred him from the dressing room before a previous derby as he "did not want him firing the players up before going out" preferring them to be level headed!!!! The players no longer believe or even listen to him at Finch Farm.

On Kenwright, he is nothing but a gullible soft touch... quotes about Martinez being a great manager only show how removed from reality he is.

Oh and those out there who feel upset at John Henry's remarks, don't be; they are true: we are clueless as a club, run by morons.

As fans, we have been kidded for years, fed a load of shite, sold a myth... "Grand Old Team", "If you know your history" – a load of fucking bollocks.

I was at the tin mine last night for the first time since Gary Speed equalised years ago and it galls me to the pit of my gut to say that, as much as I detest those bastards, they as a club are trying to improve. That fucking stand that you can see from anywhere in the city is to be extended around the Anfield Road. Meanwhile, come this summer, a coat of paint along Bullens Road and maybe a new flag facing one of the bombed-out chippies, and that will be our ground improvements done.

If Kenwright was any kind of man or Evertonian, he would have marched on that coach after the game and sacked Martinez in front of everyone, even telling him to get the bus home as further punishment. He should then have gone round each player and knocked fuck out of them for giving us one of the worst nights in our history.

But this is Everton: we don't sack our manager... not the Everton way.

George McKane
521 Posted 21/04/2016 at 11:54:38
This is a bad as it can get:

Andy Hunter (@AHunterGuardian) 20/04/2016, 22:38

Klopp on 2nd half: "Maybe even the crowd did not enjoy it, there was no real fight anymore."

As damning as it gets for Everton.

Kim Vivian
522 Posted 21/04/2016 at 11:58:17
Just logged on at work. Is he still here?
Ernie Baywood
523 Posted 21/04/2016 at 12:08:19
Will if he's made it this far into the day is it safe to assume he's still with us for the semi? You would want the caretaker there today if you were doing it.

Feels like complete negligence to me. I can't see how we just continue on to such a big game without any change.

If we go out on Saturday I honestly couldn't care less whether he sees out the season or not.

Kevin Rudge
524 Posted 21/04/2016 at 12:10:46
I feel genuinely sorry for the fans who have shelled out for the mission to Wembley on Saturday...

Martinez has managed to turn what should be a joyous occasion into a wake...
Tony Dove
525 Posted 21/04/2016 at 12:11:55
Tell Oumar Oumar
The player we never see
We're going to Wembley
Tell Oumar Oumar
Jack Mason
526 Posted 21/04/2016 at 12:15:33
James, I've long given up on national exposure.

Sorry for my vulgar language but I don't give a fuck what those cunts say. The days when we were given a fair hearing has long gone.

But I applaud and appreciate you for bringing information to us. Just kidding mate, I read it earlier, to be honest the anger is just going to sit for awhile. The defeat I can accept, it's not new, the complete capitulation is another matter. Anyway off to the bunker for me.

Jimmi James
527 Posted 21/04/2016 at 12:19:38
Sorry to sort of hijack this thread but just another nugget of inside info, the ground staff at Goodison were recently dragged in and the blame for the home form was put totally on the way they prepared the pitch for the games. FACT – just amazing isn't it?

Maybe we can blame the Anfield staff for the way they get the pitch ready.

Kim Vivian
528 Posted 21/04/2016 at 12:32:39
Has anyone from the club actually said anything at all? Besides the formal pressies last night , so I don't mean RM. All I want to hear from him is "...thanks lads, adios...."
Luke Welch
529 Posted 21/04/2016 at 12:34:04
This is properly not the situation the money man thought he would find him self in, he has barely got his feet under the table and already holds the weight of the axe. I bet a big part of Bill sales pitch was selling the fallacy that Everton are under the stewardship of young ambitious manager, who is spreading his footballing philosophy to grass root level.

I think if Martinez is to get sacked, it will open up a can or worms at boardroom level, and the whole dynamics of the power play will change.

But one thing is clear, the team need galvanizing ! and Martinez is not the man to inspire. Only his sacking will bring about winds of change, and with the right person in charge for Saturday, they might just be able to use what so obviously has suppressed to the teams advantage.

Kerry Frahm
530 Posted 21/04/2016 at 12:34:33
I just noticed on the official EFC site you can watch a 3 minute or 5 minute highlight package of the derby. Is that site run by redshite supporters? Why would you put that on there after that debacle!

It's 9:30pm here in Australia now and I am praying beyond belief that when I wake tomorrow morning Martinez will have done the honourable thing and walked away and refused if BK says he can stay for the Semi. Please Lord, help us with this one!

Nick Page
531 Posted 21/04/2016 at 12:38:29
Has everyone emailed Kenwright and Elstone yet? If not, you need to. The more shite they get the better. Its all of our duties to get this done today.

Jimmi – if that story is true and I have no reason not to believe it, then it shows how far we have sunk and how utterly delusional the clubs hierarchy is.

James Marshall
532 Posted 21/04/2016 at 12:38:32
One thing to note in reference to Moshiri – when big investors get involved in any business, they tend to (sooner rather than later) have a shakeup of staff and bring in the people they're going to bankroll.

With this in mind, I would suggest that Martinez will be relieved of his duties either before, or at, the end of the season anyway.

On what basis would Moshiri feel that he was doing a good enough job to be bankrolled by him? Answers on a postcard.

Ernie Baywood
533 Posted 21/04/2016 at 12:43:34
James, my experience is that they'll nominate a time period where they'll get to know the business before developing a strategy and making decisions which are aligned to it. 100 days might be typical, though a business in one location might only need half that.

Ironically, while Moshiri is likely to offer significant long term change, it might be our change in ownership that is currently preventing short term change.

David Hallwood
534 Posted 21/04/2016 at 12:44:44
James (#518), I don't want to make this into a saga so we'll have to agree to disagree. But as Alan shearer says, usually about the barcodes, if it's not going well close down, get tackles in Stop them playing because you can't always play well so professional pride must take over.

I saw none of that on display last night and regardless of a clueless manager someone take the initiative, because they're not kids and they should demonstrate some footballing nounce. Disgraceful and I'm still numb with shock

James Marshall
535 Posted 21/04/2016 at 12:46:10
Ernie – I hope it's half that time, because it'll be 56 days on Saturday that Moshiri got involved.....tick tock.....
Luke Welch
536 Posted 21/04/2016 at 12:47:41
After the post match interview from the manger, I can't help but feel that Bobbie's bubble has burst, not the one he thinks he has held the fans, and press in – but the one in his own head. It was like he was struck by the realization of how poor and spiritless he team has become.

Having said that, we all know he is nothing but stubborn, and no matter how bad things are he, will never quit!

James Marshall
537 Posted 21/04/2016 at 12:50:16
David – I agree. Ask any RS though, when Brenda was there, they got murdered like us by standing off and also zonal marking. Now Cliperty has arrived, they press and work hard – same players, different attitude. Yes they're adults who should realise, but they're clearly following the managers plans.

Football teams are built in their managers image, and footballers don't want to rock the boat – we've all seen what can happen when you piss Martinez off by not following him to the letter – Distin, Baines etc all being mugged off by him for crossing him.

The sooner this arrogant, useless, one dimensional joke of a manager leaves, the better. Get someone in with some tactical nouse who understands how to motivate a talented group of players, and make them want to work hard. Our players are not inherently lazy – it would be impossible to select an entire squad to be lazy – they're just not motivated, and that's because of Martinez, at least in my view.

Happy to disagree politely though. :)

Ernie Baywood
538 Posted 21/04/2016 at 12:52:33
David 534. People were calling for an "up and at them" performance in the derby a few days back and I posted that would 100% not happen. It's not this manager's style.

I'll guarantee now that it won't happen on Saturday either. We'll try to outplay them. And if we get put under pressure we'll continue in the same way - then fold when it doesn't work. All feels futile.

James 535, has it really been that long already? Time flies when you're having fun!

Jimmi James
539 Posted 21/04/2016 at 13:03:00
Ah well I faced it been out and about and the worst thing is rs fans feel sorry for us, patronising and sad, how did it come to this.

Nick (#531), yes that story is absolutely true I promise you, I heard it first hand from the staff mate and yes sunk lower than the low.

Tony Hill
540 Posted 21/04/2016 at 13:18:30
Kenwright: the maestro of self-serving fudge and confusion. He is a disgrace who, by his manoeuvrings (including the nature of the deal bringing in Moshiri), now threatens fundamentally to undermine this club and its future. He, too, should fuck right off.
Nick Page
541 Posted 21/04/2016 at 13:36:40
Tony, if I had my way that scamming, scheming, devious, Machiavellian, two-faced twat of a Chairman would be first out the fucking door.

Has there ever been a worse-timed appearance on TV than after the Chelsea Quarter-final arm wrapped around new investor pal as if to say, "Thanks for the money BUT I'm still in charge here and this is what YOU think about MY football club."

He is one almighty charlatan of the highest order and has conned virtually all before him.

Ed Fitzgerald
542 Posted 21/04/2016 at 13:41:40
Martinez is a dead man walking it is now a matter of when then if. Too many posters on here have not turned their ire on the players whether they disagree with the manager or not their attitude and application has been a disgrace. When Martinez goes unlike some I hope we don't forget how insipid and lacking in effort the players have been.
Ken Williams
543 Posted 21/04/2016 at 13:58:00
I said jokingly to the lads in work that watching the match would be like a five year old watching Doctor Who - Hiding behind the settee, to scared to watch. Fuck me I was right..............
Alex Moore
544 Posted 21/04/2016 at 13:58:34
Ed 542

I couldn't agree more.

Kim Vivian
545 Posted 21/04/2016 at 14:19:18
Jimmi - what's the general vibe among the staff and crew there? Does your mate say anything about that? (Or is he sworn to secrecy?)
Shane Corcoran
546 Posted 21/04/2016 at 16:54:12
I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned this but where is Galloway? How can we start a game without any defenders on the bench? Isn't he likely to play at the weekend now?
Alex Moore
547 Posted 21/04/2016 at 17:44:17
Shane 546

I asked that question last week and was told he had been playing terrible for the u-21s.

As for browning he's out for the season with an injury as I understand it.

Chris Scully
548 Posted 21/04/2016 at 17:53:01
Here is a text conversation I had last night with friend who happens to support Man Utd.

Me: A fucking disgrace. If that muppet RM is not sacked tonight I will be in tears. You bastards are gonna whip us

Him: I hope so, obviously, but not as much as you think. I don't want you to suffer

Neil Gribbin
549 Posted 21/04/2016 at 18:10:09
The email addresses have been changed, or the mail servers have collapsed. Good effort anyway.
Roman Sidey
550 Posted 21/04/2016 at 20:31:54
Jay Harris, 441, good post re: Woods. It made me think that the club really NEEDS to sack Martinez before the end of the season to show supporters that they actually give a fuck. Waiting until the summer will give off an air of, "Ah, we'll see how things turn out," when we all know that this manager is not fit to run a team.

People talk about managers on a certain level would do well if they were at a club with more money (think what everyone thought of Moyes whilst at Everton). On that logic alone, can anyone actually see Martinez, with the cash he's had here, ever getting employed as a football manager again? I can't.

I would love to see the results of the poll on the home page if it had been started today, rather than two weeks ago. I think that 7% would be a lot closer to 0%.

Jimmi James
551 Posted 21/04/2016 at 21:12:57
Kim, yes there will be a massive shake up and clear out weather RM stays or not, its not a done deal yet but now the thinking is he will go by mutual consent at the end of the season, this updates my last info post, obviously cant say mates name here but he is nearly always spot on. well heres hoping anyway Kim.
Kim Vivian
552 Posted 21/04/2016 at 21:26:04
Cheers Jimmi. Hope he doesn't get any grief for talking, but keep 'em coming, mate!

And whatever shake up happens I hope that knob Graeme Jones is cut loose. Don't think I like him.

Anthony Dwyer
553 Posted 21/04/2016 at 22:57:18
I don't think anyone likes Jones mate, total clown like his boss ;-)
John Davies
554 Posted 21/04/2016 at 23:18:04
Anyone noticed that Celtic's manager has said he will leave the club because they haven't made sufficient on field progress during his tenure? Where the fuck does that leave the arrogant one at Goodison Park? One manager with honour and standards, one manager who is a shameless non achiever. Guess which one is ours? GET HIM OUT!!!
Jimmi James
555 Posted 22/04/2016 at 13:31:54
Thanks Kim, nah he will be ok or he wouldnt tell me all this, there are too many working in his position for them to figure it out. see how it pans out eh? Lets hope. but as they say its the hope that kills you. Bloody killing me 2 days later.

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