Martinez: A horrible experience for everyone involved

by | 21/04/2016  78 Comments  [Jump to last]

A chastened Roberto Martinez was left ruing a lapse in concentration at the end of the first half and a “chain of events” involving injury, illness and a red card in last night's horror show at Anfield in which Everton were thrashed 4-0.

Two goals in each half by Jürgen Klopp's resurgent Liverpool side put the Blues to the sword, ratcheting up the pressure on the manager's shoulders and leaving him with large psychological wounds to repair as well as patching up his injury-hit squad in time for Wembley in just three days' time.

“It was a horrible experience for everyone involved,” a shell-shocked Martinez said to Darren Griffiths after the game. “You don't expect a game to change so radically.

“Three minutes before half time we got two actions that we don't defend properly, where we switch off and we allow a two-goal lead to be so soft in the manner that it happened.

“Up to that point it's a completely different game. Then we regroup at half time, we lose Gareth Barry through injury, we see John Stones is suffering with stomach cramps and he's feeling ill and the red card makes the rest of the game a really painful experience and a non-event from our point of view.

“Everything that could have gone went wrong but it starts with our own wrongdoing in not being able to defend two actions that should have been easily defended in our box.”

Martinez spoke in a similar vein to Sky Sports, agreeing with Geoff Shreeves that the game was disastrous for his team.

He was asked how he lifts the players for Saturday's crucial FA Cup semi-final with Manchester United after such a performance.

“It's such a huge game for us that that's probably the only good thing, it doesn't really need much motivation. Obviously, we're still hurting and we will be hurting for a long, long time but we need to react really quickly and prepare for Saturday because it's the only way we're going to get rid of this feeling.

“Psychologically, I think we're strong enough to react. Obviously, the suspension now for Ramiro Funes Mori, with the injuries we have with Phil Jagielka in that centre-half position…

“Mo Besic is someone who can play in that role but we'll have to assess John Stones but it will be more the injuries that we picked up and the suspension [that will be the problem].”

The manager was asked what he felt the defeat at Anfield meant for the pressure now weighing on his shoulders

“Well, it's a feeling of embarrassment in terms of the fact that we know we should never have put on a showing like this. There are some things in football that you can't control, chains of events that go against you but we brought that onto ourselves.

“Having the focus of a semi-final around the corner affects you as a player when you're out there. It's tough but we're going to face adversity as you have to do because we've always showed a strong character and responsibility and we're going to make sure we make up for this performance in front of our fans at Wembley.

“It's not about my job. All I want to do is bring success to Everton and it's about the players being able to be themselves and cope with the occasion. We know that we are one step away from a final and that's the only thing that could bring satisfaction to our fans so that's the only thing we're going to concentrate on.”

 

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Ste Wallace
1 Posted 21/04/2016 at 06:15:33
That could possibly be the worst derby performance I have witnessed. To say 'embarrassing' is an understatement. Everton were completely toothless, no fight, didn't close down, passing was awful.

This season has gone from bad to worse. It's pretty hard to take because we have such a good group of players. I do think Martinez time at Everton is up; question is who?

Anto Byrne
2 Posted 21/04/2016 at 06:22:16
Incredible that the club won't do the honorable thing and stand him down. One last dogs of war for Joe Royle and a bit of pride with the last few games. Not a lot to ask, is it?
John Graham
3 Posted 21/04/2016 at 06:23:35
Can't we just end this now.
Brian Hill
4 Posted 21/04/2016 at 06:28:29
Yet again not the slightest hint of admitting his own culpability as the major contributory factor in this latest disgrace.
Richard Lyons
5 Posted 21/04/2016 at 06:28:35
"It starts with our own wrongdoing"... the biggest wrongdoing would be if Martinez were to remain at the helm after our expected defeat on Saturday.
Kerry Frahm
6 Posted 21/04/2016 at 06:40:57
“It's such a huge game for us that that's probably the only good thing, it doesn't really need much motivation."

This is a joke isn't it? Following this string of non-results with the injuries and suspensions we have now, he seriously doesn't think much motivation will be needed? Really?

Can we please get some form of reaction from Moshiri? Or is he not what we were hoping he is and maybe just another mate of BKs to help prop up Martinez's paycheck?

Martinez was quoted on this site on April 9 as saying: "I need to show that [I am the right man]. I'm not someone who is going to come up with excuses. I am the first one who wants Everton to be competing for silverware and playing attractive football.

"I want us to play eye to eye against any club in the country and getting to where I believe we should get. That's not going to happen overnight. But I don't have to sell any smoke. I need to win football games in order for that fans to understand that's the way forward.

"I expect that the scrutiny and the disappointment will be there when we don't win football games. My job is to win games then you can see where we are and where we go. The fans and myself want the same thing, which is Everton winning every weekend and winning silverware.

"‘I have incredible belief in what we can achieve. I need to take responsibility for the expectations created but that's my job.

"All I need is time to make sure we get a winning team that plays attacking football that can take us where Everton should be in my opinion, which is winning silverware."

He has failed!

Peter Barry
7 Posted 21/04/2016 at 06:44:11
How many 'lapses of concentration' can one team have and do the supporters have to endure before the axe falls where it should have fallen many months ago???
Darryl Ritchie
11 Posted 21/04/2016 at 07:11:23
Just finished watching Man Utd totally dominate Palace. They're on the front foot, while we are flat on our ass. I think there's a good chance we'll get embarrassed again, so now is the time to show Roberto the door. We just might get a bit of the "new manager effect", and show a bit of spark at Wembley.

Bored, unmotivated, waiting to see what happens over the summer; that describes the fans AND the players.

At this point, I don't really care who's on the sidelines the rest of the season, as long as it's not Martinez.

Jim Bennings
12 Posted 21/04/2016 at 07:40:33
Was never going to be any different with you in charge Martinez and your bunch of merry pussy cats..

Best talent in Europe??

Hahaha have you actually asked yourself how daft that sounds given the paucity of quality we have witnessed this season you fraud?

The players don't escape the blame for me either though, totally spineless bunch of losers that never ever will break the shackles of being big game losers and big game bottlers.

We haven't got one single big game motivator amongst our players, and I wouldn't lose sleep if the entire lot of them were flogged this summer and we started from scratch again, it's obvious we need wholesale changes at this club.

None of them are worth their salt in my opinion after that horror show and the pathetic season as a whole.

Martinez should have been sacked weeks ago. (or last summer) and he should certainly have been sacked before this defining week and Big Joe Royle given the job until the end season to at least add and instill some passion amongst our pussy cat players.

It's all too late though, we all saw last night coming that's arguably the saddest thing about it and we can see Saturday coming too with this manager and players representing the club.

I said a day before last night's execution that I wanted Everton to surprise me, that we are the only club in the league that never does surprise element....
Well I got the usual what I expected , another embarrassing limp wrist display from the lot of them, I said we wouldn't have a shot on target all night because we rarely score at Anfield.

It happened just as I expected, how sad is that for a Merseyside derby??

We should be used to it now though, the last 10 years it's been arguably the most one sided derby in England.

Do one Martinez and when you leave take as many of your overrated pussy cats as possible with you.

Barry Thompson
13 Posted 21/04/2016 at 07:52:25
"It's tough but we're going to face adversity as you have to do because we've always showed a strong character and responsibility and we're going to make sure we make up for this performance in front of our fans at Wembley".

More 'jam tomorrow' from Martinept. We should change our sponsors from Chang to Hartleys.

"we've always showed a strong character and responsibility" – does he actually believe that shite he's spouting.

Clueless and any board with ambition would have put this clown out of his misery months ago.

Jim Bennings
14 Posted 21/04/2016 at 08:02:36
When have we ever shown character????

All I ever see is a team with the backbone of a jellyfish..

Can't defend when gifted with 2-0 leads, can't see out the win when they score in injury time!!

Character???

Maybe the board need to show balls and character and sack him today... Right now!!

Liverpool were in crisis when they came to Goodison in October but still put in a gritty battling performance that had character but they sacked Rodgers that evening and that to me tells you the major difference between the standards of both clubs.

It's why we can no longer match Liverpool regardless of personnel. Standards and ambitions are light years apart.

Richard Lyons
15 Posted 21/04/2016 at 08:12:34
Am I right in thinking that Klopp was actually interviewed for the job when Moyes left? Or was it someone similar?
Jim Bennings
16 Posted 21/04/2016 at 08:16:27
It was Ralph Rangnick that was interviewed for the job who was sporting director of Red Bull Salzburg at the time, I'm starting to think he couldn't have been any worse than this pile of crap!!
John Jennings
17 Posted 21/04/2016 at 08:30:03
“Three minutes before half time we got two actions that we don't defend properly, where we switch off and we allow a two-goal lead to be so soft in the manner that it happened."

What a perfect quote to sum up the complete and utter defensive shambles that has characterized most of this wretched season. I laughed out loud, partly in hysteria and partly in rage, when he said this. The single biggest reason 'we don't defend properly' Señor Martinez is YOU. No practice, no tactics, no idea. Adios.

Phil Sammon
18 Posted 21/04/2016 at 08:37:55
I actually think that, for once, Martinez is correct in his post match assertions. I at least feel as though we were watching the same game.

He clearly has to go though. I think the whole club would benefit from it happening before Saturday too.

Ste Wallace
19 Posted 21/04/2016 at 08:40:22
Martinez out, Pellegrini in... Simple.
Jim Bennings
20 Posted 21/04/2016 at 08:42:45
What a shame we didn't heed the warnings of Wigan fans.

Wigan actually lost a match 9-1 that to me says everything you need to know, and it was only when Martinez took over the Wigan job did the league positions start deteriorating after years of stability under Bruce and Jewell.

He is a Championship manager that should count himself immensely fortunate that he has escaped managing in the Championship after taking Wigan down then leaving them saying "I'm not the man to win you promotion ".

How right you were Bobby, because you may well have been managing in League 1 with Wigan now.

Shockingly poor manager, shockingly poor managerial team altogether including Dunc and little Mickey Mouse Graeme Jones and Dennis "what does he do" Lawrence.


We have the look of a team in relegation trouble, the whole set-up of the club looks relegation fodder from the top down.

Nicky Styles
21 Posted 21/04/2016 at 08:49:32
Anyone calling for Martinez head prior to Saturday is being very naive. If that was to happen and a caretaker manager were to step in, even someone who is loved – Ferguson, for example – the likelihood of that move changing the result against the Mancs is remote.

Not only would we still get beaten, our club, fans included, would be pilloried for switching coaches at the most vital point in the season.

Ernie Baywood
22 Posted 21/04/2016 at 08:54:32
There's no time to change the playing staff, training or even tactics. But the right person could motivate them, Nicky?

And could it actually get any worse?

James Kirrane
23 Posted 21/04/2016 at 09:01:45
If Martinez had an ounce of dignity he would resign now. It is clear to all and sundry that he is failing miserably. Can he not see that? Or is he blinded by arrogance and ignorance.

A number of ToffeeWebers on other posts have commented how Martinez has reduced so many fans to feelings of apathy about the team. I am not apoplectic about last night's result as I should be – it was expected. He has left the players bereft of passion and it also appears to be rubbing of on the fans. A very sad state of affairs.

Please do the honourable thing and resign.

Geoff Williams
24 Posted 21/04/2016 at 09:04:10
Well let's have a bit of positivity, we lost 4-0 but it should have been 7-0. Isn't that a victory?

If we can keep Man Utd down to 3 goals wouldn't that be like winning the Cup.

Must go the men in white coats are coming to take me away, take me away. Ahhhhh please tell me he's been sacked. I can't take any more.

Charles Brewer
25 Posted 21/04/2016 at 09:25:07
The worst thing was the disorganisation. Football is a game where there are few goals and sometimes deflections, posts, poor refereeing, blind linesmen are disproportionately important. There's not even anything especially weird about and losing by several goals.

But last night was like playing several collections of players who hadn't even been introduced. It is not remarkable that the best Everton player was the one who always has to play a different game from everyone else, the goalkeeper.

Bryan Oviedo is a talented, intelligent footballer, but he was dreadful, Funes Mori was unlucky to be sent off for a standard Liverpool training ground tackle (if it had been Gerrard or Suarez's third one, the ref would just have asked for a couple of extra days holiday with the team before giving a yellow – or booking the fouled player for diving), and Lukaku didn't get a decent ball after about 15 minutes (anyone else noticed that he loses heading duels to anyone within 10 yards of the ball, and who is anything less than 14 inches shorter?).

But ultimately, this team is demoralised – Stones has been ruined, Barkley is now fat and slow, Baines is fighting a mental war between loyalty and knowing that, as a senior professional, he has a duty to the other players, Lukaku's agent is saying "look what he has done this year playing for a team like that" and Lukaku himself is doing his best not to be seen, Deulofeu is another "nerves" player who has been reduced from the most exciting player in England to a clod who can no longer dribble, pass and knows every one of his crosses will be to no one at all.

In fact, the only possibility of getting anything other than humiliated on Saturday is to fire the manager today. His current contribution is entirely negative. Even if he came up with a plan which synthesised the collective capability of Alex Ferguson, Mourinho, Paisley, HK mk 1, Old Big 'Ed, Jock Stein and Napoleon Bonaparte, it would fail.

Andrew Laird
26 Posted 21/04/2016 at 09:38:31
"We know that we are one step away from a final and that's the only thing that could bring satisfaction to our fans so that's the only thing we're going to concentrate on.”

I guess we are no longer involved in two competitions, eh Roberto? What a comedian this fella is.

Keith Conchie
30 Posted 21/04/2016 at 09:56:56
He's lost the player's respect, that was so evident last night. Getting beat by the RS is bad enough, getting beat by 4 goals is even worse, but the worst thing I seen last night was that the player's just didn't give a shit.

We've got such an exciting squad, with huge potential that a decent manager could help them realise. And that's the only chance we've got to keep some of our top player's, cos if Martinez stays they'll be off.

Nicky Styles
32 Posted 21/04/2016 at 10:22:28
@ Ernie 22,
Of course youre right, mate. But under Moyes there was always a reaction after an embarrassing defeat so maybe we'll get that on Saturday too. That said, I suppose this line of thought contradicts what I said about changing the manager. A change before saturday may galvanize the players. Its all ifs, buts and maybes.

Little sidenote: I reckon a lot of Reds have been reading this thread to see how we reacted to that joke of a match last nite. I know I'd be reading their forum if our lads had have hammered them 4-0 last nite :/

Sandra Bowen
33 Posted 21/04/2016 at 10:35:04
With you all the way Jim Bennings. We've been completely hoodwinked into thinking that this is the best squad in years but the reality is far from it. Like Jamie Carragher said post match, the Moyes teams were full of characters, maybe less natural flair but a generally reliable bunch. This squad are so overrated and completely lacking any fight and guts. This obviously comes from the manager and the reason that some players enjoy playing for him are that they are getting away with it Scott free.

Training is probably a bit of a kick about and come match day, the likes of Barkley, Deulofeu, Lukaku produce glimpses of flair and few wonder goals and they're lauded to all that they're the best in the world!!!!

It's frightening and like you, I wouldn't be sorry to see any of this current crop move on. Give me the likes of Cahill, Kilbane, Neville over this lot. I never thought I'd say that but the current lot don't give a flying shit!!

However, the one I would dearly love to keep out of the so-called best youngsters in Europe is John Stones. I love watching him play when he's on form and with the right manager will go to the top. That I'm sure of but all the others, not for me thanks.

But let's please get shot of him before Saturday. It's our only hope.

Steve Bingham
34 Posted 21/04/2016 at 10:39:24
Nicky (#21). You say that we are naive calling for him to be sacked before Saturday's game but you then also state that if he is we will still get beat with a caretaker in place! ... We're dammed if we do and dammed if we don't, then eh?

Anyone surely can see the enormity of this sad situation. It's not just the team that he is making a laughing stock of but the board, fans and entire club and its standing!

The very worst idea of all is that there might be the slightest chance whatsoever that this manager may actually still be in charge next season. It's not merely an important stage of our season but our club's entire state of well being NOW and for numerous seasons to come!!!

Mike Allen
37 Posted 21/04/2016 at 11:11:46
We are where we are because the players are not good enough. They have taken on board all the superlatives this fraud has bestowed on them to a point that it will be very difficult indeed to bring them back down to earth. None of them will get a better club than they are in now, Champions League or not.

We have some good players out on loan and some coming through so we will come good again but the wasted 3 years will take time to put right. We are all on tenterhooks waiting for Martinez to go... but be careful what you wish for – a good coaching football manager is what we need – not someone who talks a good game because of the influence TV has on the game.

No celebs – let the team do the talking on the pitch.

Jimmi James
38 Posted 21/04/2016 at 11:13:08
Keith (#31), do we really have a squad of talented players? I don't think so, I feel they have been built up and bigged up so much that they actually believe they are all Messi or Ronaldo when clearly they are not. Sell the bloody lot and start again, no matter what the instructions of management they could have at least looked like they give a shit.

I remember a letter to the Echo a while ago, something like cross words where the writer scorned that we would forever be in the shadow of LFC, he or she got slated the following week however it looks like they were right, we just cant shake this inferiority complex can we. Friggin losers every one of them.

Oh and I believe RM has offered his resignation after last night but BK refused, says it all really. No ambition, RM is staying.

Damian Wilde
39 Posted 21/04/2016 at 11:29:36
Nicky Styles (21) naive? Other way round, fella. Things are so broken that it could only improve our chances. The players and fans have zero confidence in Martinez, please enlighten us as to how him staying would 'help' our cause?

Fans are now not even looking forward to Saturday. If he left, it'd be a carnival atmosphere. And can you imagine the relief among the players 'hey lads we don't have to play 870 passes every move!!!!!'

Big Joe & Dunc would fire them up and the crowd would be bouncing. Can you honestly see much singing/atmosphere with that clown in-charge? Not saying we'd win if he left, but it'd significantly improve our chances.

#MartinezOutBeforeSemi

Damian Wilde
40 Posted 21/04/2016 at 11:31:03
Jimmi:

"I beieve RM has offered his resignation after last night but BK refused, says it all really. No ambition, RM is staying."

Source?

Anthony Hawkins
41 Posted 21/04/2016 at 13:03:20
@38 Jimmi - Where did you hear this and how can we change BK's mind?
Ste Traverse
43 Posted 21/04/2016 at 13:10:39
Charles Brewer #25.

Mori 'unlucky' to be sent-off for that tackle???

You're almost as deluded as our shit manger.

It was a potential leg-breaker and a red card all day long.

He needs utter bollocking for doing that when were already short of defenders.

Martin Nicholls
44 Posted 21/04/2016 at 13:16:24
Jimmi - 38. You can get your name in print without making things up.
Keith Conchie
45 Posted 21/04/2016 at 13:17:13
Jimmi #38 I do believe we have some really good talent in our squad mate, there just not being trained and prepared properly. That's down to our shit manager, who I feel the player's just don't give a shit about anymore.

We seen at Chelsea how a team stop performing when they want a manager gone, look howith they're playing now. I think the same is happening at our club, they didn't give a shit last night at all, and have steadily been declining all season.

Were did you get your source from regarding Martinez resignation offer?

Colin Hughes
46 Posted 21/04/2016 at 13:17:13
I would like to see Martinez in a tracksuit at Wembley rather than a suit just so it looks like we have a different manager.
Martin Nicholls
47 Posted 21/04/2016 at 13:17:41
Anthony - 41. Don't encourage him.
Ray Roche
48 Posted 21/04/2016 at 13:18:28
Ste (#43). True, dreadful tackle. Should be fined for leaving us in the shit for the semi. All this badge slapping may do the trick in South America but it doesn't work here. Total dickhead.
James Byrne
49 Posted 21/04/2016 at 13:26:53
A horrible experience that is going to get even more horrible!

This useless board probably won't flinch at this latest debacle under this fruitcake of a so called football manager.

Why hasn't there been a press conference by the club explaining the situation we are in; a press conference by an Everton Rep other than the Spanish politician who continues to spout shite and admits no blame!

When Martinez does go, we will eventually get to hear the truth about his training philosophy, or lack of it. Why the players are so unfit, how he has destroyed the confidence of some of the best young talent in the game. What game he lost the dressing room and the possible in-fighting between him and the older players.

Charlie Burnett
50 Posted 21/04/2016 at 13:28:19
I do believe last night will stay in our heads for years and years to come. The Reds well taught us with that performance but, at the end of the day, if you love this club and your are a true toffee, you would want this clown out of our club.

And last night just put fuel on the fire. We need to take the stick from them Reds, hold our heads high, say we knew it was always going to happen, and get behind our team on Saturday.

James Byrne
51 Posted 21/04/2016 at 13:31:49
Jimmi.......

Sorry but you're talking rubbish about the talent we have. This manager has totally destroyed the confidence, ability and motivation in most of this squad but especially the young lads.

You only have to look over the park to see what Klopp has done to revive a very average Liverpool squad. Look at Leicester..........the players can't get their kits on quick enough and will run into walls. Martinez has never had that with these players.

Iain Johnston
52 Posted 21/04/2016 at 13:36:04
I'd love to know who TST (That Spanish Twat) offered his resignation to. Only Jon Woods was there and he left at 3-0.
Peter Mills
53 Posted 21/04/2016 at 13:51:59
A horrible experience for the manager? He's pocketed another £60 grand this week.
Dan Nulty
54 Posted 21/04/2016 at 13:53:31
When you've got a senior pro in your dressing room (who is lauded by the fans and recently defended by them after being criticised by the manager) rolling his eyes after being talked to by Roberto you know the writing is on the wall.

Baines's behaviour said everything you need to know about how much Roberto is respected in the dressing room.

When you add in Barkley's reaction to being subbed, the lack of effort from Romelu and a professional footballer subject to a bid of 㿎 million in the summer coming off in a massive game against your local rivals with stomach cramps it tells you the man has to go.

I was defending him and pleading for patience and was one of those 800 or so who voted to stick with him but the last few weeks have changed my mind. He clearly has lost his way and the players have joined him. Time for a change, never like seeing anyone losing their job but it is the right thing to do and if he has any sense of self worth or honesty he'll hand his resignation in.

Ian Brandes
55 Posted 21/04/2016 at 13:58:14
Fine Mori a month's wages at least. Truly horrendous tackle.

Horrible experience is true. Even more horrible if we have to witness the capering con-man of a manager stood on the touch line with his arms folded.

Please Everton get shut of this man today, tomorrow or any time before the semi-final. Let the caretaker manager put out the kids, if necessary, and let us go down all guns blazing.

If miracles do happen, we might even win.

But please not under the manager who is destroying our grand old club.

Truly horrendous to see us fall this low.

Do one,Bobby, and take 'What A Chairman'Kenwright with you.

Quite sad to say that, but BK has done the club a massive disservice with his illogical loyalty .to the deluded one. Perhaps it is down to his medication

Brian Porter
56 Posted 21/04/2016 at 15:53:55
Why hasn't he been sacked yet? After last night's debacle, and in the cold light of day, I've vowed to never watch another game as long as this terrible, honourless man is in charge of our club. I very much doubt he offered to resign. If it were true he'd have done it publicly to gain the sympathy vote. He's too vain and arrogant to resign. Men like Martinez won't resign, they have to be painfully extracted, like removing a tick from a dog. He's clinging on for dear life and will do so until he's given his matching orders. 57 years of following this great club has been totally ruined by this shyster.

His post match comments made me sick. He basically told us to forget last night and move on to the semi final. All he cares about is the bloody cup. He doesn't give a fig about our league position. Only today there's a great piece on BBC Sport that really tears him to bits, 'hapless Martinez' they're calling him. He's turned us into a laughing stock, so no more for me until he's gone. MARTINEZ OUT

Brian Porter
57 Posted 21/04/2016 at 15:54:28
Why hasn't he been sacked yet? After last night's debacle, and in the cold light of day, I've vowed to never watch another game as long as this terrible, honourless man is in charge of our club. I very much doubt he offered to resign. If it were true he'd have done it publicly to gain the sympathy vote. He's too vain and arrogant to resign. Men like Martinez won't resign, they have to be painfully extracted, like removing a tick from a dog. He's clinging on for dear life and will do so until he's given his matching orders. 57 years of following this great club has been totally ruined by this shyster.

His post match comments made me sick. He basically told us to forget last night and move on to the semi final. All he cares about is the bloody cup. He doesn't give a fig about our league position. Only today there's a great piece on BBC Sport that really tears him to bits, 'hapless Martinez' they're calling him. He's turned us into a laughing stock, so no more for me until he's gone. MARTINEZ OUT.

Jimmi James
58 Posted 21/04/2016 at 16:59:07
Sorry fellas, late to reply, not bothered about name in print by the way but same source that told me the groundstaff have been dragged in and bollocked as the feeling inside the club is that the pitch is to blame, straight from a groundsman mate not rumour, Dont know what we can do to change BKs mind but Im sure we all know RM is his little buddy. If what Im told is correct and I have no reason not to believe the mate then Barring a huge change of mind then RM is here for the start of next season. One more thing guys if you want me to stop getting this *info* to you then Ill keep it to meself but just telling it like Im told. Personally I still say friggin get rid but hey Im only a supporter and yes it was hell on earth there last night.
Paul English
59 Posted 21/04/2016 at 17:08:26
Everton Football Club is riddled with a stinking cancer, from top to bottom, that's been there since the start of the Premier League...
Sam Hoare
60 Posted 21/04/2016 at 17:12:42
I sincerely hope thats not true Jimmi. Unless BK was simply giving him a stay of execution until we are booted out the cup which I could at least partially understand. If we lose on Saturday then surely its game over.

If we win the cup now its all going to feel a bit strange...a good strange...but strange nonetheless.

John Atkins
62 Posted 21/04/2016 at 17:20:33
Brian #57

Absolutely spot on mate

No more to be discussed or said on the matter

James Byrne
63 Posted 21/04/2016 at 17:20:36
I agree with most of the stick Mori is getting after his red card. Absolute reckless and I hope the lad Origi makes a full recovery.

That tackle by Mori sums up the team at the moment. I wonder if that was a lash out of pure frustration by Mori. He doesn't seem the type and I hope he learns from that stupidity.

Jimmi James
64 Posted 21/04/2016 at 17:31:15
Sam, thats a possibility but I think we all knew he would be in charge for the semi as its just to soon to sack him before we play sat. I understand what others are saying about a new man for the semi but it just doesnt work like that, be on a hiding to nothing. Sam I can only hope me mate is wrong but for sure the groundstaff bollocking took place, this mate has been around EFC for many years and has never let me down with little snippets of info but hell this is a biggy and like you I hope he got it wrong or like you say a stay of execution till after sat, lets wait and see eh its only 2 more days.
Jim Bennings
65 Posted 21/04/2016 at 17:33:22
I can't actually believe people are still coming out with the "if we win the Cup " line...

There is about as much hope of this team winning that Semi Final on Saturday as me spending the weekend with Miss World.


There is no "if we win the Cup".

Just as we knew we would get torn a new one at Anfield, we know the big game bottlers will be back on display on Saturday teatime making our curry taste even more sour.

Mark McLoughlin
67 Posted 21/04/2016 at 18:04:30
Ive just received an Email saying
How to Follow the Semifinal
Think I will be doing it Dr Who
Style. From behind the Sofa !!
Mike Powell
68 Posted 21/04/2016 at 18:05:59
Can't believe people having a go at Mori. Yes, it was a bad tackle. So what? It was probably the only tackle made all night.

Gerrard and rat face have done worse. If he never put a tackle in then you could have something to moan about.
Kim Vivian
69 Posted 21/04/2016 at 18:33:27
If he was gone tomorrow, even if we had no manager by Saturday but say with one of the current squad acting as a sort of player manager to take the lead (GB?) while the squad sorted themselves out, I do not think it would diminish our chances on Saturday. Just with him gone I reckon the players would pick themselves up (a bit). It wouldn't be much because he seems to have done so much damage but it would be something.

And whilst I'm posting what the fuck was that all about with G Jones all of a sudden starting to give it large last night? Just what has he fucking had to offer this club so far?

John Graham
70 Posted 21/04/2016 at 18:52:17
Never seen so many comments on the Enough is Enough one.....and would have been lots more if they didn't close it I expect. First I've seen of the Chris Sutton comment on BBC Sport. Seems that Martinez has been found out for all his superlatives.....or should I say drivell that he spouts. Can't see it ending nicely but he surely knows he must go now......
James Stewart
71 Posted 21/04/2016 at 19:02:40
@65,

Completely agree. Nothing more irritating to me than fans and pundits alike spouting the 'if we win the cup' line. Utter fantasy. I said the same before the City semi-final and we are in even worse shape now. No work rate, no team spirit, a hapless manager, in total limbo.

Ste Byn
72 Posted 21/04/2016 at 19:15:54
Jimmi James, I'm not doubting your source, but I some how don't see an Everton groundsman being able to find out about a conversation between RM and BK last night after a game played at Anfield. It just doesn't add up, sorry.

Plus I don't see how anyone who stands to be paid out when sacked would be stupid enough to walk for free, not when that person is as delusional as the fool we are referring to.

Well, at least Saturday will be one big piss up, might be that bladdered, I won't remember 90 minutes in Wembley stadium.

Colman Cooke
73 Posted 21/04/2016 at 19:32:42
Can we please somehow put an end to this shambles. Why always Everton?!?
Jimmi James
75 Posted 21/04/2016 at 20:40:11
The latest I hear after a meeting is that RM could be gone at season end however thats not certain yet but it will be by mutual consent (yes that old one)but weather he stays or goes there is going to be a massive shakeup of other staff, Dont piss on me as this is what I hear. see what happens at end of season eh. That updates from earlier posts about RM staying put although that option is not yet femoved from the agenda.
Don Alexander
76 Posted 21/04/2016 at 20:58:49
Some have suggested this is the most honest presser he's ever given but others have it right in that he still totally fails to take responsibility for the performance. He deflects away by saying "I take responsibility for results" (........at last) but the only way this speech would have been acceptable to me is if it had come from a new manager in his first game after replacing the Catalonian Clown.

Never, ever have I heard "Ole, ole, ole" ringing out from THEM in a derby and if anyone had told me I ever would have heard it I'd have thought them off their trolley. Yet the fact is they and we played in a way, for minutes on end, where it was fully justified.

I'll bellow my own "Ole, ole, ole!!!" when Martinez is fired and Kenwright and Elstone have left the board. Please, Mr Moshiri, make it happen.

Tony Abrahams
78 Posted 21/04/2016 at 21:16:24
Lack of organisation? It looks like our defenders must play that game, you used to play when you was a kid, called knockout. Don't even think they play pairs, because it's every man for himself, in our defence!

Mike 68, it was a bad tackle, and I agree we have seen hundreds of them down the years, but the grabbing of the badge was fucking pathetic. My 16 year old son, came home early from Anfield, and he said people we're cheering him when he done that.

Fucking daft, some people is what my lad said. How can you cheer him for grabbing the badge, when he's left us to play with ten men for 35 Mins? I had to agree with my son for once.

Dave Ganley
79 Posted 21/04/2016 at 21:29:08
Its just a horrible experience having Martinez as manager and BK as chairman
Don Alexander
80 Posted 21/04/2016 at 21:36:35
By the way folks, I've signed petitions to get him sacked, written to journalists and got replies saying they appreciated the info and today I emailed Bill.kenwright@evertonfc.com and Robert.elstone@evertonfc.com asking them, as board members, to sack him forthwith.

Not even an electronic acknowledgement in reply of course.

Well this is Kenwright's Everton isn't it, and fuck all to do with fans, whatever they are.

Dave Nelson
81 Posted 21/04/2016 at 21:43:33
There's plenty of comments wanting youth to be given a chance. With a 'proper' or even a semi 'capable' manager I'd be all for it. Not with our soon-to-be unemployed manager though – they'd be shell-shocked within 30 mins.

You can put any player you care to mention in the team but his turgid tactics stay the same. I've been bored shitless at most home matches since he came – and I'm including his first year. Yes, we came 5th but most games were won with 5 efforts on goal at best.

Not great viewing when after a weeks work busting your gut out you have to go to Goodison with your hard earned money to be 'entertained'. Get him out he's lost the dressing room, he's lost the audience and I want the man gone asap.

Michael Penley
82 Posted 21/04/2016 at 21:45:15
"Martinez: A horrible experience for everyone involved"

When it finally comes to an end, that sentence will be the perfect epitaph for the Martinez era at Everton Football Club.

John Davies
83 Posted 21/04/2016 at 23:03:21
"A horrible experience for everyone involved" is exactly what Martinez's tenure as manager of our club has been. The man has no shame, no humility, no honour and no moral courage. If he had any of those qualities he would resign. He and Kenwright are destroying the club and - truth be told - don't give a flying f..k for it. Martinez is a disgraceful, arrogant, clueless conman. And still Luvvie Bill can't see it! What a pair of idiots.
Anthony Dwyer
84 Posted 21/04/2016 at 23:06:58
Two 4-0 whackings at anfield is enough for any manager to be booted, end of.
Jack Convery
85 Posted 21/04/2016 at 00:14:13
He MUST go before Saturday - please. Those suggesting Stones and Lukaku and even Barkley should follow him should be careful of what they wish for. Aston Villa let Beneteke - top scorer, Delph - best midfielder leave. They also released Ron Vlaar due to injury. Not one of these players replacements were up to the job. Ask Villa fans if they could turn back time would they keep Benteke and Delph - I suspect the answer would be yes. Take out the spine and the lot collapses.

With a better manager who takes defence seriously and not as a nuiscance Stones will flourish. I don't want Moyes back but he turned Baines and Jagielka into England Internationals something RM has totally reversed.

Lukaku is 21 - what will he be like as he gets older and wiser ?

Barkley has stopped developing but a good coach will sort him out.

Throw the bath water out asap but lets keep hold of the baby.

Being the next Villa is my greatest fear at present.

Philip Williams
86 Posted 22/04/2016 at 00:32:15
I cannot remember such a dispirited performance as we saw last night.

The appointment of Martinez has gone horribly wrong and for several reasons. Our goals against record is desperate and our home performances disgraceful. I just cannot fathom how he can describe our away form as Champions League level with all the problems we see each week.

Team selection at times baffles me with Mirallas left out and Kone playing in a wide role as an example earlier in the season. Oviedo is just not a right back and begs the question with the decision to loan players without the ability to recall in an emergency.

I have been saying for 18 months now that he is not up to the job. We are a proud club with a wonderful history. Martinez and his backroom staff are wrecking our club.

We need the board to act urgently and sack him and get a high profile manager in before we go the same way as Villa. It hurts so much to see the impact Klopp is having at Liverpool. Another reason to change things now.

Don Alexander
87 Posted 22/04/2016 at 01:00:18
The media are all over our four young guns saying they all need to leave Everton to progress their careers. Utter bollocks. Martinez needs to leave them, end of.

But do the board or, as time is now moving on, Mr Moshiri give a shit?

John Belshaw
88 Posted 22/04/2016 at 08:13:48
"We are now entering a real, exciting, incredible, special moment where we set real standards, to create a phenomenal platform to develop a winning mentality and become a real, real exciting, winning unit in the next set of important games." – Stanley Unwin.
Brian Porter
89 Posted 22/04/2016 at 08:26:35
When speaking of 'a horrible experience for all concerned" it would be nice to think that Martinez is referring to this entire season under his inept and horrendous leadership, though we all know otherwise. I'm appalled to look at the league table and see that all the teams below us, except the bottom four have won more games than us so far this season. That's relegation form and BK and the board need to wake up and realise that before it's too late.

My feeling is that there are a number of better qualified coaches /managers out there who would love to work with our current set of players and who would soon have them playing football of the required standard with intelligent coaching and encouragement to our players to actually enjoy playing football again.

Who wants to play for a manager who, when he arrived spoke of Everton's proud history, of being one of the biggest clubs in the world but has now changed his tune to excuse his own failings by saying publicly that "We have not underachieved because we have never achieved anything in the first place." And he had the nerve to force Leighton Baines to apologise for his simple truths?

Every day now, the nations press are building up a head of steam in their condemnation of Martinez and his failure as Everton manager. How long does BK/Moshiri et al want this to go on, as BK's golden boy (what a manager) continues to turn us into an absolute laughing stock.

Shaka Hislop is the latest former pro, turned pundit to tell it like it is in an interview for ESPN.

There is not one other club who would continue to employ Martinez in ANY division with results like this and without doubt that failure to take action is also having an adverse effect on the players the fans and the entire club apart from Martinez's backroom sycophants.

Can't BK see from the players' body language and recent performances that Martinez has lost the dressing room, big time? God, Chelsea sacked Jose within months of being crowned champions when it was clear he'd lost the support of the players! Liverpool bot rid of Brenda when in the top half because results weren't good enough.

Do we have to wait for Martinez to get us relegated before action is taken? Our great club is bleeding to death under his failed leadership. He should go today. The look on Baines's face (twice) on Wednesday when Martinez spouted some instructions at him on the touchline after the sending off and,after the third goal said it all for me. The senior players have had enough. He's ruining the careers of so many of our players, both senior pros like Baines and the younger ones like Stones who is encouraged to go ahead and make mistakes rather than being coached how to avoid making them in the first place.

Sod the semi final. Is he really going to pull off a magical turn around in the next 24 hours? He's the nearest thing I've seen to a Kamikaze manager, hell bent on seeing his team nose dive into oblivion.

MARTINEZ OUT

Jack Farrell
90 Posted 22/04/2016 at 09:02:14
Have to agree with the title of this article. Martinez has been a horrible experience for everybody involved
Nicky Styles
92 Posted 22/04/2016 at 10:09:16
Yeah maybe youre right Damian.
Id be open to ANYTHING to change our fortunes around.
Clive Rogers
93 Posted 23/04/2016 at 13:07:50
Kenwright out.

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