Robles restates backing for Martinez

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Joel Robles has reiterated his support for his beleaguered manager, saying that Roberto Martinez is important to Everton.

Having secured the first-choice goalkeeper's slot earlier this year, the Spaniard is enjoying his longest run of games in the Blues' first team and has been in good form despite the fact that Everton haven't won a match for over a month.

That run of poor results has kept the club in the wrong half of the Premier League table, seen their FA Cup dreams extinguished by Manchester United last Saturday and heaped more pressure on Martinez, particularly from frustrated supporters.

Robles insists that the man who first brought him to England from Atletico Madrid and then signed him for Everton in 2013 has a future at Goodison Park and that Martinez is vital for his own development.

“It's important for me to play games and it is possible for my level to go (up) more, I believe,” Robles said in the Liverpool Echo.

“For me, it's important that I help my team and I will work every day to keep the number one spot.

“This is why the manager is so important for this club. For my career and for the team, Roberto Martinez is important. He's intelligent and, for this club, he is perfect.

“This is football, so when you lose every time the mistake (is blamed) on the manager, but I don't think that is so. The most important thing is that the fans, the players and the team go the same way.

“His job as manager is not easy but, for me, yes, Roberto Martinez is important,” Robles continued. “He is a top manager. We are a young team and we can be a top team. The staff are top and the most important thing now is to focus on the next game and take it step by step.

“This is football, this is life, we need to learn and we will.”

 

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Colin Glassar
2 Posted 27/04/2016 at 07:51:16
Soon to replaced by Arsenal's 2nd or 3rd choice goalie if you believe the rags. Players shouldn't be allowed to speak IMO
Brendan Fox
3 Posted 27/04/2016 at 07:53:13
JR may I suggest you just concentrate on being the GK for now.

Please do not start telling the supporters that Martinez is intelligent and perfect for EFC because it is as clear as day that he clearly is not intelligent or perfect for this club with his decision making, team selections, training methods and league positions since being manager proving otherwise.

Martinez out!

Jay Woods
4 Posted 27/04/2016 at 07:53:52
Being the natural pessimist that I am, I take this declaration from Robles as something he was coerced into saying by the club, meaning... Martinez stays.
Phil Walling
5 Posted 27/04/2016 at 08:03:42
Looks like the players are on a roster to be trotted out to explain away the shortcomings of their manager and themselves.

A sort of charm offensive to ease their joint passage over thé last four games of the season although not necessarilly of Robertos reign !

John Louis Jones
6 Posted 27/04/2016 at 08:11:58
The First thing I have done everyday this week is Check if Martinez has gone.

I take what Robles has said with a pinch of salt. He has been probably told to say it. Its seems like the dreaded vote of confidence.

Did not not need to say anything about Martinez's Position at the club.

Also Saturday is going to Mad and I don't Think Robles we have seen our passionate fans give it to the board and Martinez.

Tennis Balls anyone?

Tony Steele
7 Posted 27/04/2016 at 08:17:14
Footballer's are selfish people (not a criticism). Robles is first-choice keeper at the moment. Martinez made him so. Why would he want him gone? His opinion should have no bearing on whether he stays or goes.
Chris Regan
9 Posted 27/04/2016 at 08:57:58
Jay Woods I hope your interpretation is wrong and RM is going. Kenwright would keep him if it was solely his choice. That's a scary thought.
Trevor Peers
10 Posted 27/04/2016 at 09:06:26
Sick of hearing this continual stream of propaganda. Getting player's to come out and back the manager is a Roberto trademark.
Whenever anyone criticizes the manager though, like Baines, they are forced to apologize, immediately.

John Jones
11 Posted 27/04/2016 at 09:18:46
Yeah Joel you can be his number one. At Getafe, Sociedad or some other bang average Spanish team. Bye Roberto
Paul Olsen
12 Posted 27/04/2016 at 09:23:15
#7 Tony. To be fair, if it wasn't for the fans campaign against Howard one can assume that He would still be our No.1 to this day.

Martinez persisted With Howard until the situation felt unmanageable for him I reckon

Ian Brandes
13 Posted 27/04/2016 at 09:23:59
A tad ominous this. Sincerely hope there is not a vote of confidence in this disgrace of a football manager.
Brian Porter
14 Posted 27/04/2016 at 09:25:15
Robles needs to shut up and just do his job. Second time he's been wheeled out to stick up for the man who brought him to England then took him from Wigan to join him at Everton. Of course he's going to back him. Under a new manager Robles won't be guaranteed the #1 shirt so it's important for him to want Martinez to stay.
I've noticed none of the senior pros are exactly running to the press to shout out in favour of RM. Why should they after the way Baines was treated, which was probably the moment Martinez totally lost whatever respect the players still had for him.
If Robles had any sense he'd realise Martinez's days are numbered and he should do himself a favour and start to diplomatically distance himself from our failure of a manager. "A top manager?" I don't think so, Joel.
Peter Gorman
15 Posted 27/04/2016 at 09:32:10
To be fair, Robles sees so much action under Martinez (up to 40 shots a game) it probably is quite exciting for him at least.
Anthony Dwyer
16 Posted 27/04/2016 at 09:39:14
Would have put my life on Robles giving this type of interview over the coming days, after clicking like (by mistake ;-)) on a Martinez out article.

Joels a nice guy but I've want to compete we need better.

Look at the big sides Chelsea (although they have stunk this season, but are currently still Champions) have Court, Leicester have Schmeichel, Arsenal Chec, Utd De Gaye, City Hart, Spurs Loris.

Robles isn't that type of level unfortunately.

Ian Burns
17 Posted 27/04/2016 at 09:40:09
"He's intelligent and, for this club, he is perfect." MUST he quote word for word what Martinez has told him to say?

Joel as you came here from Atletico Madrid, can you go back and get Simeone for us please. Tell him we are just getting rid of one incredible and phenomenal manager and we need to replace him with another.

Nick Crowney
18 Posted 27/04/2016 at 10:03:14
He hasn't been told what to say, he's just being clever. If Martinez stays, he's in his good books and will carry on playing and if Roberto goes, the new manager won't care about his comments.

He said himself, it was difficult to wait 2½ years to get to the Number One spot! Doubt he wants to lose it again when a new guy comes in.

James Marshall
19 Posted 27/04/2016 at 10:03:30
I'm of the opinion that Joel is a good keeper, and will improve. He's big, decent in the air (and improving) and a good shot stopper.

As for the above - well of course he has some loyalty to Martinez. He played him in the cup final for Wigan, he brought him to Everton, he put him in the team and has stood by him so Joel owes RM.

Not everyone hates him, clearly, and Joel isn't doing anything wrong backing him just because we all want him out. There's another side to every story.

James Marshall
20 Posted 27/04/2016 at 10:06:23
I just read about RM being interested in Ospina at Arsenal - why does he have this obsession with South American defensive players? It's not exactly their forte is it!

I'd be looking at a quality European keeper if I was going to buy one at all.

Martin Nicholls
21 Posted 27/04/2016 at 10:13:50
I still think Martinez will go but maybe announcement will be delayed until after expiry of early bird deadline. That said I agree with those who see this as the beginning of an orchestrated and desperate ploy by those at the Club who still support him. It'll be interesting to see if the likes of Stones, Barkley and Lukaku are willing to be part of such a charade if indeed that's what it is!
Dave Richman
22 Posted 27/04/2016 at 10:16:56
“He is a top manager. We are a young team and we can be a top team."

1. No he is not.
2. No we are not.
3. No we can't under this guy

Maynard Hanna
23 Posted 27/04/2016 at 10:19:11
Joel is young. He is still a novice. Limited experience in the Premier League. His comments will carry little or no weight in the football world.

On Saturday I was seated behind our goal in the first half. Approx on the 30 minute mark or so a Man Utd attack ended with the ball skidding along the turf towards the goal line / six-yard line and it was the keepers ball all day long, Robles started to come and stopped and it necessitated an outstretched foot from Stones to save us. This sums up Joel.

He is an average keeper and I for one do not see the potential within him for great improvement. He is not in the top 14 keepers in the existing Premier League, (Mannone is better). The real tragedy for us is that Martinez never realised that we needed a top class keeper brought in prior to the start of this season. Robles is on a par with Bobby Mimms. What we need is a Gordon West or a Neville Southall.

Barry Pearce
24 Posted 27/04/2016 at 10:23:58
Could have come from thigh mouth of Martinez himself.

Please Joel Robles just shut up, Evertonians are not fools.

Alan J Thompson
25 Posted 27/04/2016 at 10:33:37
Fair doos, lads, he could be right and Martinez has a future at Goodison. Its just that it shouldn't be as first team coach or manager. Perhaps it got lost in the translation or the script.
John Raftery
26 Posted 27/04/2016 at 10:46:11
Robles is speaking in regard to his personal position. Martinez signed him for Wigan, signed him for Everton and finally made him first choice. Naturally he sees personal advantage in Martinez staying. Fortunately it won't be Robles making the decision about the manager's future.
Anthony Manning
27 Posted 27/04/2016 at 10:46:54
This "young team" thing is another classic Martinez myth, based on the players who have played most this season our average age is 27, and that's being generous, I've not included Kone and Mirallas who are 33 and 28 respectably.

With all this player support getting wheeled out, I've got a terrible feeling the alleged board meeting this week is for a vote of confidence. Hope I'm wrong!

Sam Hoare
28 Posted 27/04/2016 at 10:47:00
Martinez has brought Robles to 2 clubs so its not surprise to see him backing the manager. Chances are that the 'dressing room' unrest is not nearly as bad as us stirrers on TW would imagine.

Have been pretty impressed by Robles this last month. He's a good shot stopper and big enough to claim in the air easily. His positioning and decision-making can be ropey but have improved recently. If he performs well in the last 4 games then i'd be quite close to saying that he's earned the GK spot for next season and we should look for an understudy as opposed to splashing big on a new no.1.

Nick Page
29 Posted 27/04/2016 at 11:22:39
Sam, would Robles get into any squad in the top 6? If not, why should we just SETTLE for second best again. You see, this is the problem with the mentality at Everton. Fck settling for an understudy. Buy the best goalkeeper we can (now) afford. Otherwise what is the point of having Nil Satis Nisi Optimum on our shirts. Jeezus wept
Brian Harrison
30 Posted 27/04/2016 at 11:24:07
I think the fact that the fans are having a discussion as to how we protest on Saturday to let the board know what we think, just shows how far we have fallen as a club. The fact that we cant trust our own board to be on the same page as the supporters over RMs stewardship. Now if we were a top club he would have gone weeks ago, Liverpool sacked Dalglish despite him getting to 2 finals and winning one.
I read in the Guardian that there will be a board meeting this week to discuss the future of RM. But then goes on to say that because Moshiri isn't a director his representative will attend the meeting. So he owns 49% but isn't a director and seems like he wont be attending the game, so I suspect he wont be at the game on Saturday. I have to say that I am a little disappointed that he is not leading the discussion not only about getting rid of the charlatan, but also shaping in who replaces him. Now I know people will say he doesnt need to be there as his representitive will outline his plans. But he has just bought into the club surely you would want to show supporters you were running things and not through a proxy representative.
Sam Hoare
31 Posted 27/04/2016 at 11:51:50
Nick @29, who's Jeezuz and why's he crying?

By all means play your fantasy football where we can go out and buy De Gea or Lloris but I don't see it happening.

Robles has been here a while and been playing very well for the most part since he took over. He's only just had his first proper run in the team since he got here and is improving match by match in the same way De Gea did after a very ropey start. If he carries on improving then its very possible that he could become a top keeper as he has some of the basics for sure. My mind's not made up on him but I think on current form he deserves a shot at least.

If we can save ourselves £10m on some European kid who may or may or may not be the best new thing by sticking with someone who might be better and knows the club and the league then why not.

Pretty sure Nil satis nisi optimum doesn't mean run around throwing money at every perceived problem like Roman Abrahmovich's spoilt younger brother. I like to think we have some more class in giving chances to young players who have earned it.

Christy Ring
32 Posted 27/04/2016 at 11:55:12
Would he back him if he was still no.2 ?. I don't think so.
I thought Martinez was the right choice at the time. But he has to go now, because he's here 3 years, will not change tactics, team selection, look how long it took him to drop Howard.
He comes across as a nice fellow, but the way he embarrassed Baines, for telling the truth, his treatment of Distin, the sacking of the medical staff,and his arrogance, tells us a different story, and when has any of the backroom staff given interviews
Damian Wilde
33 Posted 27/04/2016 at 12:00:33
Piss off Robles.
Iain Thomson
34 Posted 27/04/2016 at 12:00:41
Robles is only talking to the media following the instagram thing.. hes trying to repair situation with his boss.. perfectly normdl thing to do
Brian Harrison
35 Posted 27/04/2016 at 12:05:46
Sam
I hope our new major shareholder does behave like Abramovichs younger brother. The main reason most clubs are successful is because they have thrown lots of cash at reaching the top. Yes there are times when clubs have thrown money at being the best and it didnt work, obviously Leeds under Risdale. But he only had the money to do it for 1 season. But when you have very rich owners who can keep throwing money at the club season after season it usually results in success.
Also when you look at how many managers Chelsea have sacked, yet it hasnt stopped them from challenging for the top honours.
Same goes for Real Madrid I think I read a stat that said that no manager has lasted longer than 3 seasons over the last 40 years. Again hasnt stopped them winning things.
Take our own club we were successful when we had the backing of the very rich Sir John Moores, so money usually talks when it comes to most sports.
Gerry Quinn
36 Posted 27/04/2016 at 12:15:26
Besic talking up RM now...

“England is the best league in the world, I like England a lot. After the World Cup, Everton came in and clubs from England, Italy and Spain as well but I told my manager I only wanted to go to Everton," he said of his thought process.

“The manager, Roberto Martinez, is one of the reasons why I chose to come and play here. I've learnt a lot from him."

John Jennings
37 Posted 27/04/2016 at 12:24:19
2nd rate keeper. In the side due to first choice becoming an embarrassment. Spanish. In the bottom half of Premier League keeper ratings. Enough said.
Martin Mason
38 Posted 27/04/2016 at 12:27:03
I'd say that after Besic's rapid deterioration in play and his woeful performance on Saturday that he certainly has learned a lot from Martinez.
Tony Steele
40 Posted 27/04/2016 at 12:31:48
#12 Paul. Good point.
Sam Hoare
41 Posted 27/04/2016 at 12:32:01
Brian (#35), no doubt money does talk and whilst I'm delighted we might finally have some to spend I dunno how I feel about us becoming one of those clubs that throws it around without sense and stockpiles players like Chelsea only to end up 9th in the league.

I hope that we will spend it where necessary on good players but also continue to give our youth and those who deserve it a chance. Flashing some cash doesn't always improve you... look at Newcastle.

Steve Brown
42 Posted 27/04/2016 at 12:32:22
It's a free country, he can say what he wants. Like me when I say Martinez out.

We don't have to agree with Robles, so denigrating his ability just because he says something we don't like is bollocks frankly.

Eric Myles
43 Posted 27/04/2016 at 12:37:55
Martin #21, Martinez going before the early bird deadline would see sales improve!
Nick Page
44 Posted 27/04/2016 at 12:56:10
Sam, Robles is a means to an end. He wouldn't get in most sides the Premier League.
The club needs to invest, properly, and stop fucking around pretending we're paupers / poor little Everton / Bill saved us etc etc. In my book that means:

1. Identifying problem areas - where we don't have the best player(s);
2. Identifying the best players available to put in those positions;
3. Making realistic bids for them.

I argued at the start of the season how far we had fallen behind. Only now is it so glaringly obvious. Unless 24/7 Bill has pulled another fast one with Moshiri's promises of investment, coupled with the huge influx (again!) of TV revenues, then we should be going all out to get this club moving forward. Ruthless fucking ambition.

Nick Page
45 Posted 27/04/2016 at 12:57:43
“The manager, Roberto Martinez, is one of the reasons why I chose to come and play here. I've learnt a lot from him."

How to bullshit, obviously.

Jay Wood
46 Posted 27/04/2016 at 13:02:25
James Marshall @ 20.

"why does he have this obsession with South American defensive players? It's not exactly their forte is it!"

I suggest you look closely at the nationalities of some of the very best defenders playing for the very best teams in the world.

An absurd statement and extremely trite stereotyping.

James Marshall
47 Posted 27/04/2016 at 13:15:48
Jay, you're right, but we're not a top team and we get the shitty South American scraps on the cheap.

Your debating style leaves a lot to be desired.

Jay Wood
48 Posted 27/04/2016 at 13:21:46
So James, you acknowledge the challenge I made to your earlier statement is correct and that you were wrong.

Thank you. Job done.

Kieran Kinsella
49 Posted 27/04/2016 at 13:28:36
The future .... "It's great to be back at the club it feels like home and I've a manager who believes in me," said JP Kissock.

Roberto Martinez was equally pleased with his signing for conference side Everton. "If you can't bring Mohamed to the mountain you bring the mountain to Mohamed. We've been on an incredible journey these last five years learning about life in each division. Now in the conference we get to see the real grass roots football and how we are prepared for that. Kissock is in a great moment in his career. He scored a goal a few months back, he has joined weight watchers too. But we need all the fans to get behind him and us on this wonderful journey."

Meanwhile Phil Jagielka was asked to comment on Everton's demise from EPL to conference in five seasons. "it's a strange one really. We've obviously lost most of our games and people dwell on that but we know we are a Champions League team so it falls to us players to show that starting this week at Bishops Stortford."

James Marshall
50 Posted 27/04/2016 at 13:29:59
Jay - TW is about opinions, not who's right & who's wrong.

Get down off your high-horse and learn to play nice with the other children. We're all on the same side here, mate. Leave the trolling to Eugene.

John Graham
51 Posted 27/04/2016 at 13:34:59
I suggest you do your job and stop some shots or you will be on your way too. Not one of the top goalies in the premier, championship and maybe even league one.
James Marshall
52 Posted 27/04/2016 at 13:38:49
To be fair to Joel - he has been playing in one of the most open teams defensively this season. I always wonder about keepers records being based solely on them alone, as people often seem to overlook the 10 players in front of them.

Of course the keeper can make a difference (I was one for a long time) but you also have to take into the account the amount of help they're getting from the outfield players - in our case, not enough in my view.

Ian Burns
53 Posted 27/04/2016 at 13:53:26
Jags; Robles; Besic - three of your scripts in one day Martinez - good going. However, as you don't coach any defensive duties, that will leave you enough time to roll out a few more before Saturday.

You wave your list of players backing you and we will wave our "Martinez Out" flags - game on.

James Watts
54 Posted 27/04/2016 at 13:56:36
We are in trouble lads & lasses. No way is Martinez getting the sack anytime soon. All the sound bites we're seeing and not seeing point to him being here for the start of next season at least, in my opinion.

Buckle up for more phenomenal and incredible moments ...

Steavey Buckley
55 Posted 27/04/2016 at 14:00:33
Robles has probably not seen the league table, with Everton on the same points as the mighty Bournemouth on 41 points, who could easily leapfrog Everton this coming Saturday. Everton have only won 1 home game this year - Bournemouth not too long ago were in league 2, when Everton finished in 4th place - what a fall from grace.
Eugene Ruane
56 Posted 27/04/2016 at 14:04:20
'See my mate Billy? Got Arthur Askey's legs in his garage, he has. Straight up!..And You know that blonde bird out of Abba? Sex maniac apparently'

Jay, are you familiar with a columnist in Viz magazine 'Britain's most ill-informed man'? You should throw the towel in now as you've got no chance of getting a word of sense out of TW's Farage-style shouty alehouse lawyer ' now that you (obviously) have him on the run.

As you can see ('We're all on the same side here, mate. Leave the trolling to Eugene') he resorts to desperate panic and deflection once you start to punch holes in his insight-free, uninformed 'arguments'.

Kim Vivian
57 Posted 27/04/2016 at 14:06:41
Robles has been trotted out by RM/the club Baines style to make amends for that 'like' of a 'Martinez out' tweet a couple of days ago.

I thought that with his previous comment - or were they part of the same interview?

Richard Farrington
58 Posted 27/04/2016 at 14:14:40
For fuck sake Robles, show some balls or just fucking shut it.

You "liked" a Martinez out tweet and are now on the naughty step. As for the the "we need to learn and we will" ballocks, I'm assuming the two years in which the club has taken massive steps backwards in which you have been involved have been erased from your memory?

Well they haven't mine and I'm fucking sick of it.

The more bullshit that spills from the club at the moment, the more angry it makes me.

MARTINEZ OUT.

Sam Hoare
59 Posted 27/04/2016 at 14:19:34
Nick, I obviously think that Robles is more than a means to an end and could potentially if he continues improving get into many PL teams.

Perhaps you could clarify why you are so sure that's not the case for 25 yr old keeper who's performed very well in a poor team for the last month.

Jay Wood
60 Posted 27/04/2016 at 14:23:13
James @ 50.

"TW is about opinions, not who's right & who's wrong."

Agreed ... but ... two points here:

1) Some opinions can be proven to be right and others can be shown to be wrong. That leads to questioning and debate, which you seemingly resent.

2) In this case you offered an opinion @ 20 and presented it as fact.

I challenged that opinion, you acknowedged I was right and retracted.

But then, as is your inclination, in the same breath @ 47 you get all pouty (without justification) adding:

"Your debating style leaves a lot to be desired."

You further compound that @ 47 with:

"Get down off your high-horse and learn to play nice with the other children. We're all on the same side here, mate. Leave the trolling to Eugene."

I'll just say this the once, because I have no intention of getting into a tit-for-tat with you James, but clearly, judging by your (numerous) indignant responses to other posters who challenge your opinions, you have a very fragile ego, resent having your posts questioned and are very quick to cast yourself in the role of the victim. Grow a thicker skin.

Back to footy debate ... @ 47 (possibly in an attempt to save face, having retracted your earlier post) you state:

"but we're not a top team and we get the shitty South American scraps on the cheap."

Again, 2 things here. Firstly, the implication in your words that other than the very best South American defenders playing for the very best clubs, the rest - as per your original claim - are 'shitty.'

Not so. There is barely a European side in all the top leagues that doesn't boast at least one South American defender in their squad.

Secondly, to date Martinez has recruited just two South American defenders - Alcaraz (on a free from Wigan), who due to injuries was not a great success, but still had some outstanding games for us. And Funes Mori, a regular pick for his national team and considered by some (not me) as the best out and out defender at the club. He is our 5th highest record transfer of all time, so hardly cheap.

So that's another opinion offered by you that doesn't stand up to much inspection.

Hey Ho Silver, Away!

Roger Helm
61 Posted 27/04/2016 at 14:35:53
Goalkeepers are to football teams what drummers are to rock groups. When the drummer says "I've had an idea.." the other musicians dread what's coming.
James Marshall
62 Posted 27/04/2016 at 14:37:48
OK, Jay, you're absolutely right, and I'll stop coming out with such stupid opinions. Thanks for putting me right - in future I'll just come to you for advice on all things football related.

I'm desperately sorry to have bothered you today, and hope you can enjoy your afternoon without my witless and ill-informed opinions getting in the way of your important daily duties.

In fact, I should probably just stop coming on here altogether, since my thoughts and musings are so ill-judged and upsetting. Maybe I just should support Liverpool from now and leave you to it.

Sorry, Jay.

Jay Wood
63 Posted 27/04/2016 at 14:52:02
So James @ 62... nothing to add to the FOOTBALL debate?

Best leave it there then, eh?

If ever there was a more self-affirming post on TW, I must have missed it.

James Marshall
64 Posted 27/04/2016 at 14:53:15
Nothing further to add, no. I stand by my original opinion, and don't feel I have to justify myself to you, a stranger on the Internet.

Have a nice afternoon.

Nick Page
67 Posted 27/04/2016 at 15:24:19
Sam, i'll ask you AGAIN. Would Robles get in any of the top 6 teams as first choice, arguably top 10?

Settling for mediocrity will not get us moving forward. Hanging on to Robles smacks of Billy Liar, 24/7 search, like-a-new-signing finances. It won't do anymore, for me at least.

Sam Hoare
68 Posted 27/04/2016 at 15:54:28
'It won't do anymore, for me at least'.

Good luck with that Nick. If we don't buy De Gea or Courtois you'll be cheering Man City next season then.

Xavier Spencer
69 Posted 27/04/2016 at 15:57:52
Self-preservation and self-interest from a bang average goalkeeper. He can pack his bags and bugger off with Roberto if he values his management so much.
Paul Kossoff
70 Posted 27/04/2016 at 16:01:42
Are we any better with Robles than Howard?
In eleven premier league games he has conceded sixteen goals, six capital one cup games nine, five fa cup games two. Twenty two games played twenty seven goals conceded.

We still need a number one keeper, and Robles should listen to what the fans are saying about Martinez and keep quiet for a while.

Nick Page
71 Posted 27/04/2016 at 16:11:29
That's not the point, Sam. Which is, EFC needs to try much harder to be the best it can be. Otherwise we just sail along doing things "the Everton Way" - slowly, badly, opaquely - as all the other more ambitious clubs pass us on the way down. Make sure to give them a friendly wave.
Peter Gorman
73 Posted 27/04/2016 at 16:20:24
Jay, not looking to wade in but..."Alcaraz (on a free from Wigan), who due to injuries was not a great success, but still had some outstanding games for us."

Come on! Your argument was good enough without resorting to this bare-faced whopper. Was injury the reason he utterly humiliated us at Anfield and in Kiev? Not that he gave a solitary shit mind, the man was a total mercenary. You'll have to remind me when these outstanding games occurred.

But we are on the same side, like.

Trevor Peers
74 Posted 27/04/2016 at 16:38:14
The Everton way doesn't exsist, when Kendall was in charge we we're utterly ruthless. Remember the cup winners cup semi final , we battered the Germans into submission mainly through Andy Gray's physical presence.

It's just the present chairman and manager that's holding us back.
Robles shouldn't have been allowed to come out with that garbage especially, after Roberto's two defining games, both defeats as usual.

Peter Cummings
75 Posted 27/04/2016 at 16:41:00
Apart from Robles I haven't seen one Everton player supporting RMs continuing to manage at Goodison, or for that matter getting rid, in effect the majority are keeping stum as they should in club 'political' matters which don't concern them.

The biggest fear for most Evertonians is if he is given another go ahead players who are maybe just thinking of transfers will leave, if he stays then those thinking of 'success' will look elsewhere rather than take a chance on a proven failure who refuses to change his 'my way or no way' attitude', which will hasten the demise of our great club even further

Jay Wood
76 Posted 27/04/2016 at 16:59:31
Peter @ 73.

You will get no argument from me of how poorly Alcaraz played in the (first!) 4-0 humiliation at Analfield (drafted in when injured, mind...), and again in Kiev.

I was very clear that I did not consider Alcaraz a success, but I'm not over-egging it or telling 'whoppers' when I state he had some outstanding games for us. He did.

There was a spell in RM's first season (maybe around Xmas, New Year, I recall) when injuries to both Jags and Distin forced RM to partner Alcaraz with Stones, who was a mere fledgling at that time.

They played extremely well together and Alcaraz was also credited for guiding and talking Stones through the games.

Memory jogged..?

Mick Davies
77 Posted 27/04/2016 at 17:00:03
Robles want's Martinez to stay because we all know he won't buy another goalie (they're not important) so it's Joel and the guy with the East European name that escapes me. Therefore he's got the position to himself.
Now I don't have anything against Robles being No 1 -with a GK coach behind him, I reckon he'll be good for us - but competition also improves players and a keeper of similar or higher ability would sort out our stoppers for years to come. He just needs to man up and realise that it's not RM's club or BK's club; it's ours, and he plays for us
Jay Harris
78 Posted 27/04/2016 at 17:00:55
I have a feeling that the Besic statement was made some time ago and has been regurgitated.
Paul Thompson
79 Posted 27/04/2016 at 17:20:09
Robles in backs manager who signed and picks him shock.

Beyond this less than startling development, I wouldn't read too much into it. Players trotted out to back manager is a staple diet of the 21st century 24 hour media cycle. It doesn't generally have any bearing on real decision-making. After a manager is sacked and goodbyes said, the caravan moves on with most players inside for the new ride. In this case I suspect that Robles will be in the back seat as he's a very average goalkeeper. We need better to compete at a higher level.

Sam Hoare
80 Posted 27/04/2016 at 17:30:11
Nick, how is it not the point? It's what you wrote.

Obviously we all want Everton to be the best we can be and to improve but I choose to do so within some realistic parameters. Sorry to disappoint you but we are not going to go out and buy Ronaldo and Messi. Nor are we gonna be buying any of the GKs from the top 6.

But that doesn't mean that we have to accept mediocre results. Just ask Leicester.

Ian Hollingworth
82 Posted 27/04/2016 at 17:46:03
No surprise from the ex Wigan keeper who quite frankly is not good enough for Everton FC.
Hope you enjoy playing in the lower leagues with Martinez.
Martin O'Sullivan
84 Posted 27/04/2016 at 18:00:52
If Martinez is so important to mr Robles and others in the team then they can go too but I also know that Everton is far more important than Martinez, Robles and all who lay in his bed. We are on a downward spiral and he simply has to go, the football is 1 dimensional and has become very boring. Same formation, same tactics every week, it really is mind numbing. Just waiting for "players need to respond" chat after last week. But to be honest they could win 10-0 and I'm not bothered, the seasons over and he has to go. The damage has been done. Worst home form in 138 years should be enough for him to go, oh and if you read this me Martinez, no! Our away form is not champs league, if you did your homework, which you clearly don't. On away games only we would still be seventh!!
Jim Hardin
85 Posted 27/04/2016 at 18:06:55
Sorry Robles but your banner will always read: "Not Good Enough Now . . . or Ever As Everton's #1 GK!" Keep sucking up to the manager though.

p.s. If you are going to come off your line then do so and get there. I hold you responsible for getting beaten by a relatively soft shot from Martial because you were once again standing in no man's land giving yourself no reaction time to make the save. The gulf between you and De Gea couldn't be more obvious.

Gavin Johnson
86 Posted 27/04/2016 at 18:38:50
Jim,

United had a couple of like for like chances in the 1st half where Joel came off his line with no Everton defender in sight and made 2 good very good saves. I couldn't envisage Tim Howard choosing to rush out like that unless he did the starfish (an easy goal at Goodison by Wolves, Kevin Doyle comes to mind) for the result of that manoeuvre. Joel played well on Saturday and was the only Everton player who came out of the derby with any self respect.

Joel may not be the long term answer but Martinez was right to drop Howard. His mistake was being too loyal to the hapless American and not dropping him sooner.

Colin Glassar
87 Posted 27/04/2016 at 19:31:35
I'm not at all surprised the club are wheeling out the players, like some North Korean defectors, swearing loyalty to the cause before being taken away and shot.
Les Martin
88 Posted 27/04/2016 at 19:36:30
Joel is entitled to his opinion, and is a good keeper in progress. Martinez is a bad manager and making regress

As for fan dissatisfaction with Martinez, the most simple protest is to take a white hanky (or tissue) if you haven't got one, and shake it to show displeasure as they do in Spain.

No official or steward with search you for these, or see them in your pocket ! easy gents.......

Mick Davies
89 Posted 27/04/2016 at 19:36:44
Jim @ 85, can't resist trying to score points for your Taliban faced hero eh? This is about JR sticking up for his manager, but if you want to discuss his role, then how about he saves us early on from a disastrous lob into our box with the defence awol, or the derby game, which could have been a record score if we'd kept Mr Ego in goal
Amit Vithlani
90 Posted 27/04/2016 at 19:59:06
Not surprised with these comments nor the timing. The Bournemouth pre match presser is round the corner and the national media could well focus on the manager's future and perhaps his relationship with his players.

As for Robles, good shot stopper and no doubt made some very good saves against United and the RS, but anyone else thinks he suffers from Howard's syndrome (whose symptoms include being stuck on your goal line, even for crossed balls in the 6 yard box)?

Aside from the coaching abilities of Denis Lawrence, I have often wondered about Inaki Bergara. Are continental goalkeeping coaches suited to coaching EPL keepers?

Martin Nicholls
91 Posted 27/04/2016 at 20:05:01
Steve - 42. Spot on.
Eric - 43. It was the cynic in me coming out. They know we'll all renew if he goes - why give us the chance at a reduced price when delaying will get them the same result at higher price.
Mick Davies
92 Posted 27/04/2016 at 20:22:49
Amit @ 90 'Aside from the coaching abilities of Denis Lawrence, I have often wondered about Inaki Bergara. Are continental goalkeeping coaches suited to coaching EPL keepers?'
I agree, would like to see how good Robles could be with someone like Woods coaching him
Dominic Tonge
93 Posted 27/04/2016 at 21:37:36
Bloke bought twice by Martinez defends Martinez shocker!!!! Read all about it.
Steve Davies
94 Posted 27/04/2016 at 21:51:53
Martinez is going to be sacked. I actually thought Robles was better than Howard. The fact he is sticking up for him disturbs me.

I honestly think Martinez will end up with Leeds. I live over In Yorkshire and the last phrase you will ever here over here is "And one for yourself love" at any bar. Apart from Leeds fans who are from Armley and city centre. They are quality.

Things will move quickly fairly soon. Sack off Lukaku and Stones for good money and bring in De Boer or Koeman.

I actually think Barkely along side Rooney (the dream team) would do well.

BK and RM please do one....

Kristian Boyce
95 Posted 27/04/2016 at 22:01:45
Probably brought out to back Martinez for punishment for the Instagram 'Like'
Dave Abrahams
96 Posted 27/04/2016 at 22:08:10
Mick (52) Mick are you sure about Woods. He never did much for Richard Wright Tim Howard or any of the other goalies who worked under him.

He was also given the opportunity, by Moyes to choose between Turner and Ruddy, who stayed and who went, he chose to keep Turner.

I agree Robles might be coached into a very good keeper don't think Woods was very good at the job.

Phil Walling
97 Posted 27/04/2016 at 22:27:49
Woods got rave notices from de Gea when he was at Man Unt. and the goalie tried desperately to retain his services privately !
Phil Walling
98 Posted 27/04/2016 at 22:32:25
Perhaps the players genuinely like working with RM because he gives them a soft life. If so, BK will listen to them over us ,I assure you !
Kev Johnson
99 Posted 27/04/2016 at 22:46:40
Robles, in my opinion, you're just another Paul Gerrard or Steve Simonsen. I wouldn't put you in any order. I'd say don't try undo a noose already tightened on Bobby's neck. He's for the chop, make no mistake.

As for Everton, I want my fucking money back from that wasted journey on Saturday. Apart from some twat pickpocketing my sunglasses while queuing up. And that spineless first-half performance. Can't motivate yourselves to want to reach an FA Cup Final.

Look at Leicester, run their tits off until the final whistle. Right, glad that's off my chest. Tennis balls at the ready...

Mick Davies
100 Posted 27/04/2016 at 22:47:47
Dave 96, I suppose a decent coach if you get me; you know, someone who knows a thing or two about football - something we don't seem to possess.
John Davies
101 Posted 27/04/2016 at 23:23:19
Joel, you're a nice lad but just button it and get on with your job will you? Why do players talk so much?

MARTINEZ & KENWRIGHT OUT!

Mike Allison
103 Posted 27/04/2016 at 23:41:35
John if you're getting yourself worked up that players talk to the media then you really do need half an hour in a darkened room with some deep breathing exercises.

It's part of their job, they're contracted to do it, there are rules against them refusing to do it. It's not like they could be sitting at home but they get bored and ring up a journalist because they're just desperate to get these thoughts out.

Mostly they're being polite to jobbing hacks who need to fill some column inches, and ToffeeWeb whack the story up because there's not much else new to talk about that day.

It really isn't worth any fury.

Jim Hardin
104 Posted 28/04/2016 at 02:48:08
Gavin and Mick,

What part of my post did you not read? Did you translate it into some other language? The point I made was raised by my son, an Everton fan and college GK. It was actually, what the fuck was he doing standing out there?

I didn't mention Howard at all. Reread the post. Howard is gone so he is not in a position to challenge for the number 1 spot. Robles currently (God help us) is the number one choice and that is frightening. Robles either needed to come all the way or stay on the line. Had he stayed on the line he would have had reaction time to stop the shot which was neither well struck, nor particularly difficult to get to.

To save me from having to respond to you again, please reread this post before responding. The point was and is Joel is not good enough for this club. The comparision to De Gea was supposed to illustrate that. Remember, it took Smalling's backside to score on De Gea, not a relatively soft shot past an out of position GK.

Kim Vivian
105 Posted 28/04/2016 at 06:23:06
Jay 78. Re-reading that Besic statement, I think you're right.
Jimmy Sørheim
106 Posted 28/04/2016 at 06:34:29
In case you all have not noticed, not ONE of the top talented players have defended Martinez.

It is only the average ones who are coming out praising him.

Lee Brownlie
107 Posted 28/04/2016 at 06:43:11
Hardly surprising, a goalie saved from a relegated team backs the manager at his current club (who also happens to be the manager who couldn't save that team!!)..

It's all gone too far now.. time for a change.. players 'backing' their manager are just sucking up to stay in that manager's team (while he's still there) anyway!!!

Martin Nicholls
108 Posted 28/04/2016 at 08:19:14
Jimmy - 106. I have noticed - see mine @ 21 above!
Dave Abrahams
110 Posted 28/04/2016 at 10:04:51
Mick ( 100 ) yes I agree, we need a good goalkeeping coach, I think Mervyn Day was the last one we had.
Gavin Johnson
111 Posted 28/04/2016 at 13:09:38
Yes Jim, for once you didn't mention Tim Howard, but he lingers in all your posts like a bad fart in lift.

Your post was about the gulf between the best GK in the world and Howard's replacement, Joel. You criticised Joel for being in no-man's land for the 3rd goal.

It was me that mentioned Tim Howard because of the irony of your comment. You have defended Tim Howard all season and now you slate his replacement for not being decisive about coming off his line. Do you realise how that sounds, Jim?!

I've never heard you criticise Tim Howard for being in no-man's land like being caught out for the penalties he conceded against Leicester and Swansea for dithering whether to come of his line or not. It's like you calling Donald Trump an evil right wing buffoon but letting off Adolf Hitler, saying, lets go easy on him he was just misunderstood.

Joel kept us in the game in the first half against United. I'd argue he was very decisive when he rushed out and made 2 very good saves when there was no Everton defender near the oncoming United player.

We will buy a better GK in the summer but I wouldn't say it was a foregone conclusion that we've seen the last of Joel. He might not be at David De Gea's level... but who is?!?

Paul Conway
112 Posted 28/04/2016 at 16:13:21
You have to expect ex Wigan players to back Martinez – after all, he is the reason why they are here.

Also the fact that they have already heard his bullshit and have somewhat acquired a taste for it!

Nicholas Ryan
113 Posted 28/04/2016 at 17:13:39
1. I'm used to seeing 'We're all entitled to our opinion' on here; yet the moment Robles expresses his, he is condemned.

2. Spanish goalkeeper is supportive of Spanish manager who gives him extended run in first team; well, there's a surprise.

3. In Robles' current first team run, how many 'howlers' and I mean real 'howlers' has he committed .... err.... that would be, none.

4. He is a young goalkeeper of talent, who is worth persevering with, and who, when given a chance, hasn't [generally] been found wanting.

5. No, he isn't as good as De Gea ..... but neither is anyone else!

Jim Hardin
114 Posted 28/04/2016 at 22:12:20
Gavin,

Howard was not in the game. What part of the post do you not seem to understand? Robles drifted out and instead of retreating or going all the way, he did nothing, except cut his reaction time. It was one example during the game of the class difference between the two keepers on the pitch and why Robles is not good enough.

I suppose next season you will still be trying to take shots at Howard for whatever daft reason you can conjure.

However, Gavin, of the four keepers either on the pitch or on the bench three of them would, in my opinion, have made the save on that shot. The one who wouldn't, didn't.

David Barks
115 Posted 28/04/2016 at 22:17:01
Jim, you're looking very sad and silly at this point. Robles has been far better than Howard since he replaced him. Howard is done, get over it.
Joseph Terrence
116 Posted 28/04/2016 at 22:24:01
PSA: Jim Hardin is a (magnificent) wind up merchant.
Mick Davies
117 Posted 29/04/2016 at 01:32:17
Jim, De Gea has got an organised defence in front of him and he saved a penalty that was emailed to him by the worst pen taker we've had in years. Goalies rush off their line all the time . . er, except your hero of course

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