Martinez asks for patience from frustrated fans

by | 28/04/2016  273 Comments  [Jump to last]

Roberto Martinez says that he understands the inquests into Everton's disappointing season and his performance as manager but asks for more time from those supporters who want him to step down as the Blues' manager.

"I understand [the scrutiny] completely," Martinez said in his press conference this morning. "I never felt being Everton manager is a manager to be judged in an average position.

"Scrutiny needs to be there, but it shouldn't be scrutiny of the last two months or three months. It should be of three seasons, scrutiny about the team we've put together.

"The first season we had a record points tally, last season we were the last team in the British game to be knocked out of Europe, this season we made two semi-finals.

"I'm ready to fight more than ever and closer, probably, to finding a way to challenge for silverware.

"I encourage huge expectations. As a club we have to drive for silverware and top four, and when you aren't there the scrutiny needs to be there. It shouldn't be scrutiny of the last three months but instead the last three seasons.

"It's a scrutiny of the squad we have put together and scrutiny of how we play against the top teams. I wouldn't want to be judged on the ninth budget of the league. I want to be under scrutiny of being proud of being Everton manager."

The manager was asked about the possibility of protests from supporters at is weekend's match with Bournemouth and he asked that fans give him more time to make the changes needed to bring success back to Goodison Park.

"The message [to the fans] is we are all hurting together," he said. "I understand their passion and they make us what we are as a club. Football without passion makes no sense.

"But I'd say to those fans only when you get through those difficult experiences and moments you get a renewed drive to fight more than ever and find a way of challenging for silverware.

"The signs are there but we aren't the finished article. I'm more capable now to make the final adjustments to make us better."

Martinez confirmed that Phil Jagielka will be missing from the team through injury, as will Seamus Coleman, Gareth Barry and the suspended Ramiro Funes Mori.  


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Ian Hanes
1 Posted 28/04/2016 at 10:07:31
Taxi!
Dennis Stevens
2 Posted 28/04/2016 at 10:10:53
Desperate stuff.
Clive Rogers
3 Posted 28/04/2016 at 10:11:59
And take Kenwright with you.
Chris Regan
4 Posted 28/04/2016 at 10:14:19
Deluded as Kenwright: "The signs are there but we aren't the finished article. I'm more capable now to make the final adjustments to make us better."

The news this morning linking us with Mark Hughes is even more depressing. Stoke have conceded more goals than us this season. I just hope they're not true.

Helen Mallon
5 Posted 28/04/2016 at 10:14:23
Jags dropped, I see?
Shane Corcoran
6 Posted 28/04/2016 at 10:17:10
"I'm more capable now to make the final adjustments to make us better."

He must be doing a midweek course. I wonder what grade he got.

Finn Taylor
7 Posted 28/04/2016 at 10:17:34
The chasm between what he thinks and does is wider than the space between here and Mars...

Am not sure how much more I can take of this from Bobby Bamboozle!

Dominic Tonge
8 Posted 28/04/2016 at 10:18:13
I don't think a top half finish is huge expectation, especially when you promised champions league .
Dave Abrahams
9 Posted 28/04/2016 at 10:18:28
Robbie "I encourage huge expectations" Mr. Martinez the only thing you encourage is despair, and fuckin' loads of it as well.
Ian Jones
10 Posted 28/04/2016 at 10:21:40
OK, that's good. He's convinced me he should stay then at least another 3 years :)
Eugene Ruane
11 Posted 28/04/2016 at 10:22:29
'I encourage huge expectations.'

It has worked on me, I now hugely expect a manager who knows what the fuck he is doing and not some clueless twat who makes the same mistakes week after week after week after...

(chortle - hoist with his own petard).

Dave Richman
12 Posted 28/04/2016 at 10:22:38
I suppose he thinks that he's razor sharp to slip in the "I wouldn't want to be judged on the ninth budget of the league" thing ..... Well I suppose it's just as well, because if we did judge you on that, you're STILL under-performing, soft lad!
Matt Henderson
13 Posted 28/04/2016 at 10:24:53
"But I'd say to those fans only when you get through those difficult experiences and moments you get a renewed drive to fight more than ever and find a way of challenging for silverware"

Aston Villa should be challenging for the Champions League title next year based on this logic. His entire management career has been one difficult experience and he is no closer to challenging for silverware because he has never learnt from his past mistakes and has continued to blindly follow the same path. This is Roberto's biggest failing and what will cost him his career.

Mike Mulhall
14 Posted 28/04/2016 at 10:25:09
Reading between the lines, he knows the writing is on the wall, I think...

I wonder if Robles was pulled up for speaking out? Or if he was misinterpreted???

I really wanted this guy to succeed but sadly he isn't good enough.

Hughes has done okay most places he has been but hardly a statement of intent from the board, is it?

Kunal Desai
15 Posted 28/04/2016 at 10:25:11
More mumblings and ramblings...ahh just feck off. Bored shitless now.
Small club mentality by not getting rid of him last weekend.
Sandra Williams
16 Posted 28/04/2016 at 10:25:30
Saturday's going to be fun, isn't it?!
Tommy Coleman
17 Posted 28/04/2016 at 10:28:06
NOT MARK HUGHES!

The Board need to be much more ambitious.

Dave Lawley
18 Posted 28/04/2016 at 10:28:44
We can't let this clown ruin another year of this clubs history, Saturday has to be the beginning of the supporter fight back of our clubs dignity.
Scott Hamilton
19 Posted 28/04/2016 at 10:33:12
Not "the finished article"?!

We are hardly even the constituent parts of the "finished article"!

Pitchforks at the ready lads. Martinez's head on a spike outside Goodison by dawn.

John James
20 Posted 28/04/2016 at 10:33:55
Would you hire this man if he came across at interview like this?

Mark Hughes on the Everton job

Andrew Clare
23 Posted 28/04/2016 at 10:37:16
This is ridiculous. What are we waiting for? It looks like he is staying. I can't believe it. You're right Kunal he should have gone last week.
The focus should be on removing Kenwright.
Gerard Carey
24 Posted 28/04/2016 at 10:37:57
Please, please, Roberto, just go.

And please not a no-mark like Mark Hughes (pardon the pun). For once, can't the club show some ambition and go for a top class manager, with experience? One who has won leagues etc at the highest level and can whip our so-called best squad in years into shape to challenge for top four and better.

Jay Woods
25 Posted 28/04/2016 at 10:38:54
Surely this now puts paid to the rumours that an agreed "mutual consent" departure is imminent and its announcement deferred out of respect for the Hillsborough report.

Martinez has no intention of going and BK has no intention of letting him go.

Now, what Evertonians need is a massive re-education on what the "Everton Way" really is. In the meantime, let me restate it for the less discerning: indefinite cowering under a lengthening red shadow and trophy free football for as long as Kenwright has any say in the club's affairs.

Michael Penley
26 Posted 28/04/2016 at 10:41:34
When was Spurs' "difficult experience" that enabled them to be challenging for the title?
Nick Page
27 Posted 28/04/2016 at 10:48:36
He is one sneaky twat this fella. "Ninth budget in the league"....hahaha. This was the man that said, "What is true is not always you need the money to achieve your aims". So now its problem. By the way, we're 11th, finished 11th last year and have the worst home record in 138y. Limped out of two semi-finals, haven't won a game since beginning of March against relegated Aston Villa, had to endure the most humiliating derby game in living memory but no, you carry on thinking you're doing a good job as we slip further and further down the table.

We have the worst backroom set-up in the PL. We lost all the experienced medical staff. We have a worse injury record than previous incumbent and yet this is a man who doesn't believe in "soft-tissue injuries".

Our coaching staff is appalling. Who are they anyway? We don't practice set-pieces, apparently "they should be worth half a goal". We don't work on defending because he believes winning by more goals is more important. The players are unfit. But he is now "more than capable to make the final adjustments" whatever that means.

I can only think he is being allowed to carry on, literally with Kenwrights blessing which worries me even more. That that man cannot admit to a mistake and do the right thing over his supposed love for EFC speaks volumes. This has gone way beyond a fXcking joke now. GET THE FXCK OUT OF OUR FOOTBALL CLUB

Patrick Murphy
28 Posted 28/04/2016 at 10:49:10
Former Leicester City owner Milan Mandaric says that the Foxes success will be sustained "Knowing these people [the current owners], they will go as high as possible, they're very ambitious people. They're not going to give up." Ah well I remember the days when Everton FC had people in charge who had drive and ambition and who would try and give the fans something back, but today even with a Billionaire on board it looks as if we are going to carry on being middle of the road.

Don't forget that when Roberto gives his press conference this time next season we will hear "It takes time to integrate new players - replacing the likes of Howard, Jagielka, Barry, Lukaku and Stones is a difficult thing for any club to adjust to,...and it doesn't happen overnight." " I wouldn't like to be judged on this past three months as my record over the whole period...record points total.....cup semis....last British team in Europe......we have to concentrate on achieving enough points to retain our Premier League status...blah...phenomenal ...blah....blah.....we are a work in progress....the home record is not what it should be.......blah blah blah...don't forget the early bird window closes on May 9th 2017....

Dick Fearon
29 Posted 28/04/2016 at 10:49:31
Our pre season fitness regime was another unfinished article as was his tactical and motivational education
Ian Burns
30 Posted 28/04/2016 at 10:49:48
No sign whatsoever in his demeanor that he thinks he is under pressure from the board and no sign whatsoever that he thinks he isn't here for the long term. Calm as you like - worrying to say the least.

He reminds me of the car salesman when there was only one airbag on the driver's side. "I can't buy this car, if I am in a crash, I will be safe but all I will hear is my wife screaming as she goes through the windscreen." - RM - "Sir this airbag is so good you won't hear a thing."

He just doesn't get it. He can't see he hasn't made the grade - beggar's belief.

Mike Hughes
31 Posted 28/04/2016 at 10:50:41
Well I, for one, have put my tennis balls away after that press conference.

I'm off to The Cricket Discount Warehouse this afternoon to see if there are any alternatives ...

(Not that I advocate throwing of anything at football matches, other than throwing-up at the nauseating soundbites...)

Iain Latchford
32 Posted 28/04/2016 at 10:51:16
I am becoming more and more concerned that Martinez isn't going anywhere, and will be our manager next season.

It seems obvious that BK still holds the final say on these matters and we know he doesn't want to ditch his "mate".

Until Moshiri gains overall power we're stuck in this horrible limbo. We desperately need to know what the plan for Moshiri is. Surely, like us, he can't be prepared to accept this for much longer.

Phil Walling
33 Posted 28/04/2016 at 10:52:57
I wouldn't get too upset about the prospect of Mark Hughes - it's unlikely there will be a vacancy.

I think the players will rally round him for the remaining games and thus burst the bubble of constant abuse.

If you want to win a few bob this Saturday, back Everton to start 'the renewal process' with a 3 or 4 nil victory. As ever, the noise will melt away !

Mike Green
34 Posted 28/04/2016 at 10:56:14
No! No! No!

COME ON EVERTON - SORT IT OUT!!!!!!!

James Byrne
35 Posted 28/04/2016 at 10:59:59
Just fuck off Roberto, we're not Wigan fans and we've had enough.

You're not up for the job, you're totally out of your depth and incompetent. GO NOW!

Rob Halligan
36 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:00:23
I live about ten minutes drive from Finch Farm. So tempted to drive down there and put a size nine boot up his arse and tell him to fuck off!
Paul Foster
37 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:00:44
More patience for what??? More bullshit!!!

I'm fed up of being fed a load of words that don't make any sense.

On the derby defeat – "A chain reaction of a disastrous group of actions that made it an impossible experience." – Can anyone understand that? God only knows what drivel the players get but it's clear they don't get it either... so just go now, for the good of our club.

John Louis Jones
38 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:02:08
One thing he has missed out on saying if he thinks the fans are that stupid. I read this last night.

Martinez Has speant £98 Million in 3 seasons with a net of £50 million.

We have finshed 5th 11th and eerr somewhere in the bottom half in 3 seasons got to 2 semi finial's and the last 16 of the europa league.
He didn't sign Stones or Golloway ( that deal was already in place) He didn't bring Barkley into the first team. oh and we have shipped as many goals in 3 seasons than under the last 6 under Moyes.

Moyes Spent £120 Million over 11 Years! with a net spent of Plus £8.5 Million. He got us to the last 16 of the europa league twice and a cup final with a couple of near misses to. Also we only finished outside the top 7 twice in 11 years.

The guy is a fucking fraud. I so glad I cannot make it on Sat as I think I would get Banned from goodison for Life

Martinez Out !!

Oh sorry about my English I am raging .

Martin Nicholls
39 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:02:56
"The signs are there....". What signs? Why did none of the journalists present have the nous to ask him to expand on this bizarre claim?
The root cause of our current problems is Kenwright - I'd rather see Saturday's demonstrations aimed at getting him out. Without his support, Martinez would be finished. That said I still think that we will start 2016/17 with a new manager whether or not Kenwright goes. It's just a shame (and damaging to our Club) that this saga is being allowed to drag on.
Patrick Murphy
40 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:03:14
Phil (33) I think you are wrong on this occasion, I believe that a good amount of fans have had more than enough of Roberto and Kenwright and I don't think even four consecutive handsome victories will change their minds. It might seem that way in your place of retirement, but many fans are sick and tired of watching passionless football in a silent stadium, it's not much fun and doesn't even have the bonus of putting points on the board. The game at Anfield will live long in the collective memories and despite the team giving it a go for half-an-hour last Saturday it was still a defeat.

Kenwright if he holds on to Roberto will be making a catastrophic error of judgement and his final two years in the Goodison hot seat will not be what he would have wished for, he should have done the honourable thing and retired when Moshiri came on board but he hasn't and he still clings to the notion that he knows what is best for the club, let's see how he tries to sell his new stadium plans when he can't fill Goodison.

Jimmi James
41 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:03:57
Ian I think you may be right, RM is warming us all up to the fact he could be staying at least another season. These are not the words of a manager under pressure or believing he is about to lose his job. He totally believes he will be here at the start of next season and beyond. I have a sinking feeling that he will be right and he will be manager next season. What the hell must we do to get the message through to him and the board that we have had enough?. This is getting crazy now. Better prepare ourselves for the fact he is staying and prepare for a relegation fight next term. Unbelievable.
Harvey Miller
42 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:05:29
Poor guy is really desperate now, he's begging for mercy.
If he had any integrity he would have resigned after Saturday.
It's like with any relationships, when the thrill is gone there's no way to get it back, you just prolong the inevitable.
So to avoid any further damage, he must go now. There is no point in keeping him any longer, the final games are meaningless so Duncan and Unsie can take over until the end of the season.
Now would be perfect time to give U21-players a chance.
Kevin Tully
43 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:09:56
A desperate man. He's now a laughing stock, which is not how you want to see any manager of ours ending his tenure at the club. Why don't they just put the deluded fool out of his misery? This is poor PR on the clubs behalf, there is absolutely no chance he will be here next season, there would be riots!

I just feel sorry for the next club he will find himself at, the shite he spouts is now unbearable. As for Mark Hughes, why would you exchange one mid-table manager for another?

Iain Latchford
44 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:10:10
Harvey, I had a bit of a thrill on the side last night watching Atletico Madrid. Felt so dirty afterwards, but it's not my fault.

You drove me to this Everton......!!!!

Graham Mockford
45 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:10:47
Fair play to Jags, he obviously played whilst injured. Quite an unselfish thing to do given that he potentially could have done further damage keeping him out of the Euros.
Patrick Murphy
46 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:13:09
Iain (44) There's no shame in watching a team who enjoy keeping clean sheets but it's something we aren't used to at Goodison and it doesn't look like we will see too many of them in the near future either.
Noleen Daya
47 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:13:42
I have written all the words I can on this situation but just one more thing...if Martinez is still our manager come next season, or if Mark Hughes has replaced him, I will have to lock myself in my oxygen tank and hibernate for as long as it takes for the board to come to their senses. Yes, it might be a while, but rather the oxygen tank than my blood pressure causing my veins to split!
Martin Mason
49 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:15:11
I've just realised, he's not going anywhere this side of the end of next season. What a total disaster. That is what all of the spin from the likes of Robles is about, of all of the outcomes I now believe the comment on the train is official club policy. He will be given until the end of next season after some good investment on players in the summer.

Btw, watched the second leg of the Chelsea vs Man City Youth Cup, they are leagues above us by the looks of it. It's not only the money for players, success has to be something that comes from the top and seeps down through the club at all levels.

Phil Walling
50 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:17:49
Patrick, I do sincerely hope that it's you that is right in this matter. I base my opinion that even modest success in the remaining games will blunt the force of opposition to Kenwright/Martinez on past events.

Things got pretty exciting when Blue Union was in its prime but support for the activists died in the light of decent results.

Perhaps, as some have noted, we are too nice/forgiving for our own good. That together with the failure of the new investor to make an early impact of any kind !

Tom Evans
51 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:19:16
Moshiri out!
Ray Jacques
52 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:21:02
Mark Hughes FFS. That would be such a lazy appointment .

If he was any good then Utd would have taken him instead of Moyes, ex player blah blah etc etc.

No ambition, no hope and a future that will continue in the same manner as the last 21 barren years.

Totally fed up and frustrated with Everton, I actually wish I didn't support them, but its not that easy to stop after 40 years!

Mark Patrick
53 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:22:07
This deluded gobshite is giving me serious titty twisters.

"It shouldn't be scrutiny of the last three months but instead the last three season."

You'll find that's exactly the reason your under scrutiny, daft lad. Get your dancing shoes on and get to fuck.

Eugene Ruane
54 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:26:02
INCREDIBLE!

I was out this morning doing a bit of shopping and admit I had actually picked up a load of tennis balls.

Next thing is, there's Martinez, taking his dog for a walk and heading right towards me.

For a moment I just froze.

Then I..unfroze.

Link

Phil Rodgers
55 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:27:55
The apathy from the board is killing this club. Been going on for years.
Laurie Hartley
56 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:28:00
If he stays I am going to give up hope of us ever being great again and take a course in Unwinese instead.

Link

Perhaps then it will all make sense.

Jim Bennings
57 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:28:01
Massive test coming up this summer for Moshiri to show us what he's doing at this club and what his ambitions are..

I personally wouldn't be surprised to see Martinez still here in August which is insane because we need to spend big big money during close season to get some quality in this team and shift the deadwood that's been existing taking a wage from the club for a few years.

I personally think we will need 9 players, of quality and quantity to replace such deadwood, also to replace the likes of Stones, Lukaku .

Do we really want to trust Martinez to oversee such a mega transition at this football club..?

Can we trust Martinez to work on defence??

Can we trust him to work on physical fitness??

If he remains as stubborn as he has been in the last few years then there's no way we can afford to give this man the biggest transfer kitty in our history.

Over to you Mr Moshiri.

Iain Latchford
58 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:28:40
The situation is this...

Kenwright is obviously sold on the Martinez "philosophy" and believes we are just about to turn the corner. We all know that he's been spun a load of bullshit. Unfortunately BK still holds the balance of power at Goodison.

The only way that this is going to change is if Moshiri....A) Sees through it, and B) Is elevated to a position where he can do something about it.

Until those two things happen nothing is going to change.

Mark Cooper
59 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:29:19
Sack him or back him! This is becoming an insult to the man(Martinez) and the fans. I was one willing to give him this third season to prove his point and in the name of fairness am glad I was but his time has run and it has not worked.
The board, allowing this to carry on in this way now are a disgrace.
This whole situation is turning into public humiliation for the man and I wonder if Kenwright is hoping for the fans also if their protests on Saturday get condemned in the media.
Nothing going to change at this club regardless of the manager, till Kenwright stands aside.
Damian Wilde
60 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:29:47
Athletico were superb last night; so organised and very good technically. Two recent European games - 31% posession. So why does Martinez persist with 'posession' football that has no purpose? Leicester about to win the league, average around 40-45% posession.

These comments to me seem like a man clinging to his job, real desperation. Ridiculous how he forgets to mention the 11th place finish and somehow being the last British club in Europe is almost like winning a trophy, clown.

We have to let it be known on Saturday that we want him gone, it's the only way.

Rob, get up to FF and at least get some banners up!

Maynard Hanna
61 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:30:54
This is unreal. Perhaps the man is seriously ill. This just does not make sense. No sense at all.

At any level of football – from a school team, to a park team, to a non-league side, to league and Premier League sides, Everton's standard of performance over the past season and especially since last Christmas is totally and utterly unacceptable.

I am forcing myself to believe that Mr Moshiri is biding his time. He has already made up his mind but perhaps there is a 'gentleman's agreement', that Martinez can and will stay until the end of the current season (which in itself is a mistake). I think that Moshiri has identified his man but for what ever reason now is maybe not the time to approach his chosen individual. I think that Pellegrini is his choice but with Man City still well involved in Europe, Moshiri will have patience and wait until that particular story ends and then make his move. Honestly there is no way that he will let Martinez spend his money. The man is not a fool.

So Evertonians, have faith and believe as I do – for just think for a moment that if come a Friday night and you won 135 million on the euro lottery would you give RM a single penny to spend on a player. I know your answer and I don't think that Moshiri is any less a fool that you or I.

Indeed Mr Moshiri would probably take umbrage with me in my associating him to be on the same level as me. But sadly I fear we will just have to stick it out over these final four matches with the manager for if RM was for being removed by the 'old-regime', he would have been gone by now. And that is reality,

Joe McMahon
62 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:31:25
Rafa Benitez was correct. Everton FC are a small club, they think small and act small. Appoint managers from lower divsion teams teams within a 30 mile radius, the chairman is some kind of embarrassing Evelyn Waugh character and the stadium is a antiquated dump with wooden seats.
Thats the defintion of a small club alright! How the F**K is he still our manager?
Ray (52) couldn't agree more.
Alan Ross
63 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:32:31
If RM is still here next season I judge that attendances will drop off to below 30k. Kenwright might then do what is required but regrettably all too late. Championship here we come. There will be a fine line when Moshiri decides he's had enough and shove Kenwright aside. But judging by his inaction so far I wouldn't hold my breath. What Kenwright has done was to maneuver a deal where he will have paid back his borrowing for the the initial shares while still retaining roughly 12% of the share total and still remains chairman. Cunning fucker!. And people still think this was for the benefit of Everton.
Patrick Murphy
64 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:32:39
Roberto says "Football without passion makes no sense." Never a truer word said, but why then has he overseen so many games where passion is so conspicuous by its absence?
Mark Burton
65 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:34:18
Desperate, but alas I feel that all of our complaining and comments will unfortunately turn to nothing as Martinez has already convinced the board that he is the man and BK the love of Everton will back him all the way. Wasted money, poor performance and no ambition means nothing if you are a nice guy.
Pete Wilson
66 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:38:06
PATIENCE - This it would appear is a virtue we don't have anymore http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/664971/John-Stones-Everton-Man-City-Man-Utd-Chelsea-Premier-League-England-Euro-2016-News-Gossip .Yes they could just be watching a CL Semi near home, but one things for certain they won't be playing in one for Everton any time soon unless changes are made. Once the manager of a club has lost the belief of the dressing room,alienated the fans and been so immersed in his own bubble that he wouldn't have a clue if WW III was going on in his backyard then PATIENCE - Is something we've given for far too long and enough is enough. PS Mark Hughes is not the MESSIAH and if our board do terminate RM's contract then please please please Mr Moshiri make sure you have a chance of enjoying your investment by appointing someone who understands what this club means to the fans and can help match our dreams. NIL SATIS NISI OPTIMUM
Steavey Buckley
67 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:38:55
This is not about Martinez doing his best with limited resources. This is about Martinez not doing his best with wrong tactics, selections and substitutions, that have cost Everton a lot of points this season. And failure to reach 2 finals.
Laurie Hartley
68 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:41:32
Jim # 57 -

In answer to your questions here are my honest answers:

Do we really want to trust Martinez to oversee such a mega transition at this football club..? NO

Can we trust Martinez to work on defence?? NO

Can we trust him to work on physical fitness??NO

Mark #59 - you are correct the board has to act decisively or we will become the subject of ridicule - and if that happens it will get really ugly because the pent up frustrations of the past 30 years will burst the flood gates.

Geoff Williams
69 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:42:03
He has had a fair crack of the whip and has been found wanting. Tactically he is inept, the players seem unfit by comparison to those of clubs but most damning of all players seem to have lost confidence in his ability to manage.

He has to go and the sooner the better. Where is his professional pride, isn't it better to walk rather than suffer the humiliation of a sacking?

Nicky Styles
70 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:44:13
No, just please leave. He has been given ample time. More as many clubs our size (or smaller for that matter) would give such an underachieving coach.
I am convinced we will be relegated under RM if he stays for another 3 years
Kevin Rudge
71 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:46:14
This really worries me; he is speaking as if it's only us he needs to convince. It sounds like the hierarchy has swallowed his load and have told him to stop the uprising with some soothing words.

I hope I am wrong but I have a horrible feeling this man will be in charge when the next fixture list comes out and we are back to looking what our run-in is like for the inevitable scrap for survival...

Could this fella rouse a squad to dig in?

Dan Nulty
72 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:47:53
It's unashamed begging this. His star rose significantly that first season and everyone though he was a genius. He's been found out and I'm actually starting to feel sorry for him. Not enough to think he should stay but that the club need to put him out of his misery.

He's going to get serious stick on Saturday and it isn't going to be pleasant. He has tried his best and the reality is he just doesn't understand how to set a side up defensively or how much work is required to be fit at the top level. He needs to go away and rethink what he is doing, perhaps spend some time with Van Gaal or Mourinho discussing defensive tactics.

We need to show some serious ambition in our next appointment as it is going to set the expectations. If it is a Hughes or a Howe we will simply be looking to retain our status. I'd pay through the nose to get a top, top manager in.

Joe Clitherow
73 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:48:20
What a joke of a manager we have. And what a joke of a board to sustain his employment.

I hope the rumours of a June 1 departure are true but an increase of just two places in the League will double that figure anyway, which suggests to me that the June milestone does not exist.

As others have said, he is now sneakily trying to find YET ANOTHER EXCUSE which is that he hasn't been backed with finance. And STILL he is underachieving. Not safe from relegation going into May, from a Top 6 club, and after three years, and he thinks we are impatient. What a fucking clown.

The only signs are that he will relegate us next season, cast iron. A rot is very very difficult to stop once it has set in and it has really taken hold under this guy, the club now seems rotten.

All that said, the person who I now blame, is Bill Kenwright for not acting. It is dereliction of duty leaving this guys charge of playing matters at Everton.

But we have said all this before, talk now needs to end and be replaced by action.

Peter Fearon
74 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:48:51
If it is really true that the board is considering Marky Sparky or bringing back David Moyes then I would prefer to keep Martinez over either of them. I think a lot of people on this site have forgotten the dour dire football we endured for a decade under Moyes - a brand of football two other clubs could stomach for only a much shorter time. As for Hughes he is mediocrity incarnate. Be careful what you wish for.
Andrew Heffernan
75 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:49:27
Based overseas - how I wish I could be at Goodison this weekend. This is a mess, and has BK's signature all over it... "watch this space"...!
Phil Walling
76 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:49:53
ALAN @63: I think we now know why it took Blue Bill 16 years to find his ideal partner. He was looking for a mug and there's not too many about. Bill might just have found one !
Ian Burns
77 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:51:44
Since I posted earlier and because I have nothing better to do other than to consider an early gin - I have been again watching RM's presser from this morning.

Yes he is deluded; yes he has consistently and royally screwed up since his debacle of a pre-season when he stayed in Brazil - but I now believe he has been given to the end of the season, at which point he will sit in front of the board and explain the final one tenth of his budget.

Win the last four games (which he won't), he might have a tenuous grip on the job - otherwise he will disappear into his own brown shoes and they will walk him out of GP once and for all. Just don't slip on those tennis balls, we might need them for Mark Hughes.

Joe Clitherow
79 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:56:13
Peter Fearn

I haven't forgotten the football under Moyes, I pretty much watched all of it, virtually every home game in person and many away. Either you have or you just weren't there.

Moyes' football was like watching Brazil compared to the spineless, passionless, naive crap that this fella Martinez serves up. Please stop rewriting history (and no, I don't want Moyes back either, but anyone rather than Martinez. He is guaranteed relegation)

Ernie Baywood
80 Posted 28/04/2016 at 12:02:08
I've defended this guy. I've commented when I thought people were jumping to unjust conclusions.

Then I start reading the first few lines of this and think we're going through it again. Then...

"I wouldn't want to be judged on the ninth budget of the league. I want to be under scrutiny of being proud of being Everton manager."

Just fuck right off.

Moyes used to claim we were overachieving based on our budget. He was right, but it felt too negative. After all, he was supposed to be proud of managing this great club.

Now Martinez wants to tell us that he's only underachieving a little bit based on budget, with some cheap attempt to cloke the comment.

Despite everything I always figured he was a brave man, and had some strength in his convictions but that's a fucking cowardly statement.

Out.

Paul Washington
81 Posted 28/04/2016 at 12:03:39
Joe McMahon (#62),

Dead right, lad – it sums everything up about this muddled cock-up ridden club.

Why do we bother????

Ken Williams
82 Posted 28/04/2016 at 12:04:21
Please god not Mark Hughes.................
Kevin Judge
83 Posted 28/04/2016 at 12:05:59
This is now nothing to do with Martinez, this is Kenwright – what the hell is going on!!!

Martinez won't resign and obviously he can't sack himself this is the board now and the blame is solely with them.

Ernie Baywood
84 Posted 28/04/2016 at 12:11:15
He's worn me down. For the first time in my life I'm debating the merits of a win and a good performance from my beloved blues.

It won't happen, but what if we put in a run of 4 great games?

Paul Washington
85 Posted 28/04/2016 at 12:11:34
I remember Dithery Dave's last game at Goodison... a West Ham fan was sat next to me we had a good chat about footy and his leaving words to me were... "Be careful you don't end up with Mark Hughes."

This farce is getting worse by the day .

James Hughes
86 Posted 28/04/2016 at 12:16:40
I'm more capable now to make the final adjustments to make us better."

Yes Roberto it called resigning

Dennis Ng
87 Posted 28/04/2016 at 12:16:50
I guess we were not making enough noise when the ship started going south (e.g. last year) and now he thinks he still has time when it should be all over.
Mike Moore
89 Posted 28/04/2016 at 12:18:42
Oh just go please, embarrassing yourself and the club.
Brian Williams
90 Posted 28/04/2016 at 12:22:17
Well so much for doing the honourable thing and resigning.
He's gonna fight tooth and nail to keep his job.....and the huge salary!
James Stewart
91 Posted 28/04/2016 at 12:25:44
For gods sake just put him out of his misery! It's a disgrace he is still in charge after Anfield
Tom Bowers
92 Posted 28/04/2016 at 12:32:54
The man has no shame.
His 3rd season has been a shambles so how many more does he want?
This has got to end soon Kenright !!!!!
Antony Matthews
93 Posted 28/04/2016 at 12:34:47
I am now in the belief that Bungling Bill is very ill. He had slipped into a coma for 2 years and has only just recovered in time to hear the bullshit coming out of Martinez's mouth. Only trouble is dementia is now setting which exasperates the problem. Please Bill go now while fans have still some memories of you crying at Wembley in 84 and not of you being wheeled out in a straitjacket.
Tony Steele
94 Posted 28/04/2016 at 12:38:29
What worries is s few good results in meaningless games and this is all forgotten.
Barry Jones
95 Posted 28/04/2016 at 12:39:17
I do not understand the anti Mark Hughes brigade, his pragmatism may be just what we need right now. If not Hughes, one of the dutch guys, Koeman, De Boer or Cocu would do nicely. We need consistency and some vision, so Kenwright should exit with Martinez at the same time.
Tony J Williams
96 Posted 28/04/2016 at 12:39:37
By jove he is right....we have been far too impatient.

To be fair, it's only been 3 years....just a blink of ones eye really...

We fans are far too impatient and fussy.

In regards to dropping attendances, let's be honest, our money is a drop in the ocean compared to the TV rights package.

Even low season ticket renewals would faze Blue Bill, what does that bring in per year? Not enough to pay a couple of players wages for the season.

Matthew Workman
97 Posted 28/04/2016 at 12:41:15
Roberto Martinez. You remind me of a management consultant coach we had at work.

During our 3 week induction, he talked about transformation, development, blue sky thinking, neuro-linguistic principles etc etc. Basically it was management speak for how to conduct yourself as a decent human being.

You are the epitome of this type of thinking whereby, by using long words and poorly thought out principles you think that elevates you to a state above the common man who relies on common sense, robust judgement, pragmatism etc.

This is not Spain or France Bobby. Philosophies don't cut the mustard here. We are all about doing whatever is best in the situation to get the best results. You need to take your theories and dysfunctional logic to someone in Portugal's 3rd Division where the locals will love you.

We are a massive sleeping giant in the greatest league in the world playing in the 2nd city of the Greatest Empire in the history of the world. We demand winners. We deserve winners. So please just fuck off!

Steve Woods
98 Posted 28/04/2016 at 12:41:21
I would like to say a big thank you to Bill Kenwright and his cronies for getting me to the stage where I am almost (after 50 plus years) despising the club that I once loved. His visionless underachievement, failed ventures and cheap hand to mouth "running" of this once great club has transformed us into a virtual laughing stock as we effectively only own the "clothes" that we stand up in i.e. the players, everything else was sold off or mortgaged to the hilt. All this in a time when the EPL has been awash with more and more money. I am at the stage where I can't bear to look at his smug visog or listen to his inane comments any longer.

His lazy employment of the cringeworthy Catalan charlatan who had just guided Wigan into relegation spoke volumes for his lack of ambition. He then compounded his error by extending his contract on improved terms after just one season! What a chairman.

I always thought it took a fraud to know a fraud but obviously this can't be true with Kenwright and Martinez seemingly determined between them to steer this once big club into oblivion, while they both declare a mutual "love in" for each other and the club.

I truly despair if it transpires that Mr. Moshiri is leaving the footballing decision in the hands of Kenwright. It seems like a huge opportunity to move the club forward will be wasted. Leaving Martinez in place for another pre-season and start to next season will result in the known suspects leaving the club and perhaps more Niasse like signings coming in during the summer replacing them. If Martinez is not removed at the end of this season and preferably before that, then I genuinely fear for the future direction and genuine ambition of Everton. Let's hope, as was mentioned above, that Mr. Moshiri is not the mug that Kenwright had been searching for 24/7 these past 16 years.

Kenwright Out!

Martinez Out!

Mark Jensen
99 Posted 28/04/2016 at 12:41:26
Remember when he blamed the world cup on the squad being unfit? Well the Euros are on this summer so he's got his excuse tailor made. #MartinezOut #KenwrightOut
Nick Page
100 Posted 28/04/2016 at 12:42:47
Please please please send your comments and thoughts to the club. This is totally out of order now from our board. Absolute disgrace that there has been nothing said.

bill.kenwright@Evertonfc.com

they all have this format.

Kase Chow
101 Posted 28/04/2016 at 12:47:16
No!!!

No more patience. We've wasted 2 years with this clown at the helm.

Will Rom be patient and not leave? Will Martinez ask him to start closing down defenders?

Will Stones be patient? Will Martinez ask him to hoof it occasionally?

Will Martinez apologise to Baines for asking him to apologise?

Just leave our club now before the frustration turns to hate.

Mike Hughes
102 Posted 28/04/2016 at 12:54:04
Barry #95

Mark Hughes would be an undoubted improvement on Martinez. However, that is not saying much, is it?

This is an opportunity for the club to make an ambitious appointment, not another steady-Eddie type.

The results of the last 4 games should be academic in terms of RM's future. Winning them should mean very little (some financial gain) after the last two seasons.

RM can't be allowed to spend another penny as he's taken the piss for long enough.

Barry Morrison
103 Posted 28/04/2016 at 12:54:18
I think Martinez has been assured of his job for next year, having accepted he will work under an as yet to be appointed Director of Football of Moshiri's choosing.

This way, our new director will be comfortable allowing our current manager to spend his money, safe in the knowledge that if he pulls the plug early next season his investment won't have been truly wasted.

Unfortunately, I'm not aware of the director of football scenario being particularly successful in English football.

Carl Taylor
104 Posted 28/04/2016 at 12:55:31
Consider the buffoons pleading's to save his job. 1. Judge me on the 3 seasons, not the last 2-3 months. OK. He inherited a team consistently in the top 6, we are now consistently 12th to 10th....big negative.

We have the 9th biggest budget. OK. So why aren't we 9th and why have Leicester, Soouthampton, Stoke, Watford, West Brom and Bournemouth had better seasons than us. I assume Newcastle have a bigger budget, at least we are just above them!!.....big negative.

The 'phenomenal' 2nd half at Wembley. His tactical input was don't let United have the ball so much. No shit Sherlock! Everyone knows that performance improved because the players just stopped doing what he wanted them to do and showed what they are capable of....big negative.

Finally, his statement that we will have a "weak" back 4 on Saturday. I bet whoever comes in will be brimming with confidence now....big negative.

Please, you keep saying Everton is a club with great integrity. Show some yourself, admit you are out of your depth and just leave.

Patrick Carty
106 Posted 28/04/2016 at 13:09:15
Nick - (100) thank's for the link, my comment is posted.
Paul Williams
107 Posted 28/04/2016 at 13:09:46
Don't panic. No vote of confidence yet so the board meeting hasn't happened. Bobby still has to face the media and say something.
Raymond Fox
108 Posted 28/04/2016 at 13:10:10
He mentions being the 9th biggest spending club in the league, this is a reality that too many on here find impossible to grasp!

'We should be top 4' 'We should be top 6' tell me why.
'The players are good enough' oh yeh, have they looked good enough, have they done their job well?

Take Saturday, Lukaku misses penalty, also has another couple of really good chances, we lose its the managers fault!

That's me finished with the club, as fans we are destined to be picking up the crumbs for a long time yet.
I have stopped deluding myself that there's success around the corner.
The last 20yrs should tell us something don't you think.

I'm off to spend my time and money on something sensible!

Anthony Hawkins
109 Posted 28/04/2016 at 13:10:42
I will be more upset with the appointment of Mark Hughes as manager than I was with Martinez. Martinez could only improve on his dire performance with Wigan. Hughes will destroy the club.

No. just NO!

Paul Cherrington
110 Posted 28/04/2016 at 13:11:06
OMG – how many chances does this guy want? That's two seasons we've been mainly rubbish now with the league positions dropping year on year & he thinks he hasn't had enough time. It's just insane.

You can imagine him now – "Well I know I've had 10 seasons to work out how to set a defence up but don't worry, give me a few more & I'll get there eventually."

He needs to go NOW!!! It is stupid he's here still after the derby, to be honest.

Martin Nicholls
111 Posted 28/04/2016 at 13:12:41
Not one of those idiot journalists chose to remind him that by his own definition, last week was "defining". What did it define? Why are they giving him such an easy ride?
Robert Workman
112 Posted 28/04/2016 at 13:14:01
He clearly expects to still be Everton manager on saturday.

When he talks about how progress is being made and cites the second half at Wembley, why is he not asked
1. "Why did we not start the game in that way?"
2. "If progress is appearing now, what was your first season as Everton manager about?"

They say that it is better to be a lucky manager than a good manager. We have neither!

Mike Hughes
113 Posted 28/04/2016 at 13:19:56
Bye, bye Raymond #108
Your long-standing support of RM and general well-reasoned logic (even demonstrated in that post) will be sadly missed.
A black day for TW and the club.
(snigger).
James Flynn
114 Posted 28/04/2016 at 13:23:24
Another way of viewing Roberto's carrying on as if he'll be here next season is the money involved.

Pretty sure his agent is telling him to act as if everything is just fine, to let Moshiri know he wants him out he'll have to fire him. And PAY him. Financially-speaking, Roberto IS holding a good hand, no denying it. Staying or going, he's gonna get paid. Just a matter of how much. And by how much, we're talking millions.

After all, can anyone see Roberto getting another big time club to come in for him? And at big time money? I don't. Everton is his last crack at it.

So, while sharing everyone's frustration, I'm taking the view that Roberto's not talking to me. He's talking to Moshiri. "Fire me? Can't stop you. But, show me the money." Feels better thinking of it that way.

Sid Logan
115 Posted 28/04/2016 at 13:24:44
Whenever has Martinez managed to be consistent in either two halves or two games?

I think all of us are sick of moaning about him.

He just need to be gone so we can forget him, start afresh and look forward to the new season with a manager who's the real deal and doesn't work in a 60 mile radius of Goodison Park.

I just wish we has a mechanism for co-ordinating a meaningful and effective action at Saturday's game.

James Watts
116 Posted 28/04/2016 at 13:25:11
Yep, as I thought... he is going nowhere; I've thought this for the last 2 weeks when the noise has been reaching a crescendo and everything I'm still hearing only points one way. He will be our manager for at least half of new season, no matter what... How depressing.

I just hope the boys and girls on Saturday make enough noise to change the mind of our utterly inept board.

Colin Malone
117 Posted 28/04/2016 at 13:35:24
Not one player has come out in support of Martinez, which clarifies that he has lost the dressing room.

Jags and Bainesy have not been happy since last season when Martinez eventually had to give way to the total tippy tappy football from defence.

There support is deafening... not!

Roy Kjærstad
118 Posted 28/04/2016 at 13:42:44
I honestly think Roberto Martinez is a wonderful person! He is intelligent, stylish and eloquent. He would make a great club Liaison officer, Spokesman or Ambassador. In fact, I would be happy to see him in any other job at the Club except that of manager!

To his – and our – great misfortune, he is unable to convert the visions he conjures up in press conferences and board meetings into reality. He could not be more spot on when he says that football without passion makes no sense. What a painful irony it is that his teams seem totally deprived of this essential quality on the pitch!

I fully sympathize with the many people on this forum in their descriptions of how they are becoming apathetic towards the club's games whereas we have kicked every ball and steeled ourselves for every tackle our players have made for as long as we have been following the club. For this two-way relationship to work, we desperately need the team to show some passion in return.

Surely, Bill Kenwright will know that it is his responsibility to find somebody who is able to provide just that. His loyalty to Martinez is admirable, but he should have a hard look in the mirror and ask himself if it is really worth compromising his loyalty to the Club.

Andy Meighan
119 Posted 28/04/2016 at 13:42:54
Raymond (#108), take me with you. It's obvious he's here for the long haul. I can just see the banner in that piss hole the kop next season.

"Come in, Agent Kenwright – your time is up."

You couldn't make this up. Honest.

John Louis Jones
121 Posted 28/04/2016 at 13:50:31
judge me on the last 3 seasons! WE Fucking Have it has been terrible.

Even if we win all of final games we can not finish higher than 11th.

You have spent more money than the last manger and taken us down the league. 9th biggest spenders in the league I don't think the last manger was ever in the top 10 for spending and wages.

Were a young team err NO! we have the 8th youngest squad in the premier league.

I am thinking about getting a flight from Prague on Saturday Morning, Instead of Tennis Balls can I chuck a brick !

Martinez out

Ian Brandes
122 Posted 28/04/2016 at 13:56:50
If this man is allowed to stay on, what does it say about this so-called takeover?

Still we have every chance of becoming the richest club in the Championship the season after next!

Kevin McCartney
123 Posted 28/04/2016 at 13:57:21
Mark Hughes, God no, do me a favour ... Quique Sanchez Flores, if Watford don't want him at the end of the season, well tar very much.

Most of the media (what do they know) had Watford destined to be relegated, and where are they in the league on the mere budget they've had?

Brent Stephens
124 Posted 28/04/2016 at 13:57:52
Raymond #108 "That's me finished with the club".

Why? You don't see Roberto as the problem. You argue against the criticism of Roberto. You criticise the players instead. You say you're off to spend your time and money on something sensible. Why are you finished with the club? Are you not an Evertonian?

Bill Gall
125 Posted 28/04/2016 at 13:57:55
After reading this nonsense and not being surprised at what he says.

I thought that we were not judging him over the last 3 months but for the gradual decline of his performances, that is increasing in momentum over the last 3 years.

Ian McDowell
126 Posted 28/04/2016 at 13:58:51
On a happier note, we have never lost to Bournemouth. So I know what my Saturday banker is this week.
Nick Page
127 Posted 28/04/2016 at 14:00:07
ok , so ive done some analysis on this (its my job so I thought id apply it to this debacle):

I have a spreadsheet I can send to the site, if they/you want to pour over it.

some observations (which when looked at make the job Moyes did look fcking incredible to be honest):
Moyes avg finish 7, avg points 60
Total spent 𧵃.3m, net spend ٦.6m which equates to 𧵄k per average point, 㿁k per game played and 㾺k per point earned
Win % 40.8

Martinez EFC only (assuming 2W, 2D last 4 games as per last season):
avg finish 11, avg points 47
Total spent 䀍.7m, net spend 㿛.7m. This equates to ٟ.01m per average point (7x Moyes), 𧹚k per game played and 𧷗k per point earned

Martinez all PL (add above to Wigan):
avg finish 15, avg points 43
Total spent 𧴹.8m, net spend 㿐.1m. This equates to 𨀀k per average point, 𧵀k per game played and 𧴨k per point earned.

Martinez one season finishing 5th brings everything up quite a lot as the pts total was so high. If I extract this (call it the Moyes effect) and assume from April onwards 2014 was Martinez team then his EFC win % drops to 32.5% from 38.6%. In total Martinez win % is 30.8% (including 5th). Not even worth thinking about excluding that.

Moyes has a few more season BUT I think one thing the stats cant show is that Moyes inherited a squad of dogs and Martinez inherited a very well oiled machine and has taken it backwards. Moyes first three finishes were 7, 17, 4 vs 5, 11, 11? lets say but then went 11 (Europe, lol!!), 6, 5, 5, 8, 7, 7, 6...pretty stunning when looking back on it.

Conclusion from this would be fairly obvious; that Martinez has taken us backwards on a lot more money spent. Its also becoming apparent that we are moving back to his average which is just above the relegation zone.

The man doesn't learn from his mistakes, I think would have to be his written on his epitaph. Can Kenwright learn from his if he is presented with all the facts (the stats). I'll send them along but they'll probably just get filed in the bin.

John Keating
128 Posted 28/04/2016 at 14:01:21
Martin 111
Exactly !!
The journos, especially the quadruple GT merchants that writer for the Echo are a disgrace.
They were outraged the other week when the Catalan Clown accused them of misrepresenting Baines but that blew over in a couple of days.
None of them have the balls to continue questioning the Clowns utterances and claims.
Obviously the weekend game is approaching why upset the Club now when their quadruple GTs and free grub might be on the line.
Our local incompetents will be writing reams of pages after Martinez is binned and no doubt claiming that they were instrumental in his departure. Actually the incompetents at the Echo are actually part of the reason the Clown is still here.
Had they been our "neighbours" correspondents or writing for Sky 4 teams local papers they would have been up in arms 2 years ago.
I just hope than when the new owners finally clear this Club from top to bottom one of the first things they do is fuck the Echo wasters off !
James Marshall
129 Posted 28/04/2016 at 14:05:26
Another day, another Martinez thread.......what are we going to talk about if he gets the boot?

Oh yeah, a new manager.

I'm beginning to think they won't sack him anyway. The good thing about this, is that like my sense of direction, I'm usually totally wrong about these things!

Mike Hughes
130 Posted 28/04/2016 at 14:05:51
Oh no ...... Paul Lambert has just left Blackburn.

(And if Dennis Ng posts something about Moshiri in the next post, I'd like to know the source).


Dennis Ng
131 Posted 28/04/2016 at 14:08:18
Just read (Twitter @WatchedToffee) Moshiri got outvoted by others (including BK) to keep Martinez...Fans need to be heard...
Joe Clitherow
132 Posted 28/04/2016 at 14:14:20
When I finished fuming that this embarrassing idiot was still able to take another presser and put more shame on the club I can only come to the same (hopeful) conclusion that James Flynn did above that this is public play out whilst things are happening behind the scenes. The things that I would hope are happening are that his successor is being sounded out so the transition is seamless and the club maintains its perceived (by Bill) reputation of doing things right. I think this is really important to Bill Kenwright and takes on an importance way beyond what it should. This way I think they quietly weigh up the options. Maybe, just maybe, BK wants the demonstrations of supporter unrest so he can say he had no choice and maintain what he perceives as dignity? Although to me being seen as a weak leader is a much bigger crime. Bring on the demos on Saturday.

That's my hope anyway. There are a few really nagging worries though, such as appointing a caretaker from Unsworth or Sheedy would surely not damage anything except tweaking the pay out.

But the biggest worry: "What a manager!!"

Just unreal even after all these weeks.

Nick Entwistle
133 Posted 28/04/2016 at 14:16:23
If he's asking for patience, is he talking in years? Because I've been patient for three fucking seasons.

We're not in a isolated 'difficult experience', we're just under his tenure. Just a prolonged state of rank mediocrity!

Marc Hints
134 Posted 28/04/2016 at 14:16:49
Brent 124

I cannot blame Raymond for how he feels as at the moment, I feel the same. We have heard from Bill Kenwright when the new invester came in about ambition etc... Is this ambition??

Roberto Martinez should of been sacked a while ago – as someone stated on here before you wouldn't see Liverpool putting up with this dribble nor any other top 6 club so to speak.

Why do Everton fans have to listen to excuses every year why its been a poor season? Even my eight year old son thinks Martinez talks dribble. If Everton board are going to keep going on about ambition etc... then its about time they acted like a club that does have ambition.

I for one am with Raymond; I can't be bothered anymore and if Martinez is there next season then after 30 years of supporting this club will be no more.

Les Martin
135 Posted 28/04/2016 at 14:20:10
Yet more flannel from a desperate Manager. who has had enough time, and nothing is changing, it's just getting worse.

Due to his ethos, I cannot see anything changing regardless of who he could buy.

Wave your white hankies at the games folks!!!

Soren Moyer
136 Posted 28/04/2016 at 14:21:22
His comments are insulting and he is completely out of order.

HUGE EXPECTATIONS? Since when not wanting to finish at the bottom half of the table, is a huge expectation? May be that was good enough when you were managing Wigan but it is called underachievement at this club.

And for the record, it is about the past 2½ seasons of crap that you have delivered and NOT just about the last 3 months.

John Louis Jones
137 Posted 28/04/2016 at 14:30:43
Dennis Ng, Morshi Can't get out Voted by share holding.


John Gibson
138 Posted 28/04/2016 at 14:30:50
Hi all,

I've just sent the below email to Bill Kenwright at bill.kenwright@Evertonfc.com can we all do something similar to TRY and get the message across!!!

Cheers

Martinez out!!!

Bill,

WHAT IS HAPPENING TO MY BELOVED BLUES!!!

I feel I HAVE to write this email to you in protest at what is currently happening to MY beloved Everton.

I have been an Everton supporter for over 55 years and during that time have followed the team all over the world. I have ALWAYS been VERY PROUD to be a Evertonian and thought myself so fortunate to be one of the 'CHOSEN'.

That is until now!!

I cannot believe that the board at Everton Football Club have allowed Roberto Martinez to stay as Everton manager following what has been the most dismal and embarrassing period in my entire period of supporting Everton. The HUMILIATING, EMBARRASSING & PATHETIC display in the 4-0 defeat against our arch rivals at Anfield the other week (not the first time we have lost by this scoreline at Anfield under Martinez) was the final straw for me, I was there and had to listen to the kopites singing Martinez's name and shouting 'OLE' as they were taking the PISS out of us, I will NEVER forgive that performance.

I now feel that the board DO NOT have the best interest of Everton at heart (REMEMBER NIL SATIS NISI OPTIMUM????) and are dragging my precious club to a very slow and VERY painful death of relegation!!!

I now make this promise to YOU. I will not enter Goodison Park nor follow MY Everton on the road again until YOU and the other directors grow a pair and SACK Roberto Martinez. He is a disgrace to our heritage with the never ending amount of over hyped rubbish he spouts at EVERY press conference, the man is a deluded fool if he expects US, Evertonians, to believe it (although I happen to think that YOU do!!!!!).

IF Martinez stays and we are relegated (which we will be if he does stay) then I will forever hold YOU responsible Bill, and that is very sad as I have always seen you as one of us, a CHOSEN one who loves the blues just as much as me. This sadly, I no longer believe to be the case, YOU have let EVERY Evertonian down!!!!

I hope you read and act on this email as I know thousands of Blues feel exactly the same as me.

NIL SATIS NISI OPTIMUM Bill, I still believe in it!!!!!

John Gibson

Jim Lloyd
139 Posted 28/04/2016 at 14:32:26
It seems to me that that RM is staying unless and until he is sacked. It might be, as someone has wisely posted, to do with money. If he resigns, then he walks out of work, he might then lose a lot of cash. If that's the case, I can't blame him for staying and "honouring" his contract.

It seems to me that Kenwright is the one who ought to be having the brunt of the criticism now. If he believes RB is not up to the task, then he should have done something before the Semi and give us a chance of winning the game.

If Kenwright believes that with some top class players coming in, RM will be successful, then he is the one that has decided RM will stay.

I think Ray Fox has a fair point that the players should share responsibility with the manager (in the end though, he carries the can) as I've seen some awful mistakes through the last three seasons. They've been getting repeated and and as International players, they shouldn't be making them as often as they do. But it's a manager's job to stop therm repeating the mistakes.

If a Blues supporter has had enough then, to me, it isn't a cause for celebration, it is a sign that there is something wrong in the club. I hope you stay on Ray because I don't think Moshiri is such a gullible fool that he will just dole out his millions on Kenwright's say so, so that Blue Bill can have a bigger and better train set than he had before!

I think it's very likely that Moshiri will take over the club when he's ready and that will be the end hopefully, of Kenwright's tenure.

I do think that RM has recently (definitely since Bainsey said his stuff) and quite possibly well before that statement.

Whatever, we are at a stage now where a lot of supporters on here have said they have had enough of Martinez and there is talk of demonstrations.

How many would demonstrate inside the ground I've no idea. But what concerns me that, if he's here for another year, or even until the end of the season, what effect would any demonstration have on any players at the club who may be in the process of deciding whether to stay or go. And also what effect it would have on any players considering coming to EFC.

I paid for my season ticket this morning and if Kenwright is determined to keep the current manager, then my view is that he's the one we should be pointing our fingers at.


Nick Entwistle
140 Posted 28/04/2016 at 14:36:19
Jim - What top class players go to clubs in the bottom half? Sure if you get a Marez on the cheap who isn't 'known' as a top class player... but I doubt Thomas Muller is casting his glances.
Jay Wood
141 Posted 28/04/2016 at 14:40:16
Raymond @ 108.

I was wondering where you've been in recent weeks as things continued to unravel. Now we know.

Good luck with believing you are finished with Everton.

If only it was that easy.

Expect some ribbing for this whenever you reappear on TW Raymond.

Jim Lloyd
142 Posted 28/04/2016 at 14:42:30
Well Nick, depends on a few things I think. How much are the wages, being quite high on the list. I should be more accurate as well, I mean good professional players of high quality who can do a decent job in the Prem.

I'd like to believe we could land Suarez or Ronaldo but we'd more likely get Sandra Suarez and Rita Ronaldo!

Tony Abrahams
143 Posted 28/04/2016 at 14:45:18
I think we would all be looking forward to an FA Cup Final now, if Kenwright would have sacked Martinez the minute Baines talked about a lack of chemistry.

I have one wish: that the protesting fans turn on the biggest phoney connected to Everton Football Club. Maybe everyone who is against this present regime could leave Goodison after an hour on Saturday.

I think a good thing to do would be to put a load of bins outside the stadium. We can queue up in an orderly fashion, and put our season tickets into these bins, like when you go to vote. Then, when Everton play the last game of the season at Goodison, the stadium will be EMPTY, just like the way most of us feel right now.

Damian Wilde
144 Posted 28/04/2016 at 14:47:28
Dennis, Watched Toffee also said "He will be replaced. But at the moment the difficulty in replacing him are Bill and Bob."
Chris Regan
145 Posted 28/04/2016 at 14:54:35
There are several newspapers and lots of social media reports that Mark Hughes is going to be our next manager. If this is true then it's a disaster for the club, more stagnation. This could only be a small minded decision. What's he ever done, he's had money lots of it and never done anything with it.

If true I truly despair with our board. But I am not surprised.

Gordon Crawford
146 Posted 28/04/2016 at 14:56:15
Everton board have no guts to sack him while Bill is still supporting Roberto.
No guts equals, no glory. The glory days are certainly gone from Everton. Might take years to ever bring them back.
Ken Buckley
148 Posted 28/04/2016 at 15:01:38
Unless one of them was feeling ill then Woods and Sharpe walking out of Anfield on the hour mark was or could be quite significant.

I think Morshiri plus Woods could win any vote?.

Bit more water to run under the bridge yet methinks. More secrecy in boardrooms than in GCHQ.

Paddy Howlin
149 Posted 28/04/2016 at 15:03:39
Can't believe people are falling for the Moyes and Hughes links. Where do people think the press get these titbits of info from? This has Classic EFC spin written all over it. Let's put some names out there that will split the fans and make the current situation seem a bit more acceptable and that will stop any protests. Next it will be 'be careful what you wish for' statements from Sharp, Snodin and other ex players on the club payroll.
Well it's not acceptable and change on a mass scale is needed. Martinez should have been sacked on Saturday night and Kenwright has failed again to execute his role as an effective custodian of the club.
Kenwright and Martinez both need to go if we stand any chance of achieving anything next year.
Gordon Crawford
150 Posted 28/04/2016 at 15:04:24
Raymond 108. A true Evertonian will never give up on club. Your not the only fan who suffers heartache, when watching our beloved club.
No matter what I'll still support the club.
Jeff Hughes
151 Posted 28/04/2016 at 15:07:20
He has lost the fans and if the club don't act by Saturday they may find they lose some automatic season ticket renewals by the early deadline and it looks inevitable that the frustration felt by players will see Lukaku and other move on. How on earth can the Board sit by and allow this to happen? The fans MUST show their feelings on Saturday. Avoid the personal attacks on both Martinez and Kenwright but let Moshiri know what we think in a clear and unanimous way. Remember our motto Nil Satis Nisi Optimum and Martinez is NOT the future.
Dave Abrahams
152 Posted 28/04/2016 at 15:09:51
I don't think Martinez will be here for the start of next season,I think and hope he will be gone well before that, but just in case Kenwright or whoever makes the decision hasn't made their minds up yet, it is imperative that we make our feelings known in the last two home matches.

After the Norwich City game there is a big long silent gap to the start of next season and if he is still here after the Norwich game, he just might get away with staying.

Dennis Ng
153 Posted 28/04/2016 at 15:16:28
John 137, yea, but not sure what the procedural events need to take place before that happens. It must be something that must be pushed towards shareholder voting and I don't think that 3-1 vote helps push things that way. Anyone familiar with how this voting thing works?

Damian 144, ya, saw that, and that's my belief for a while now. There is no doubt in my mind this is BK's attempt to hold onto control of "his" club.

Colin Gee
154 Posted 28/04/2016 at 15:30:45
Patience?

Get beat on Saturday and Martinez will be a Patient in The Royal....

How is he still in his job? Our Board of clowns make Aston Villa's board look competent!

Make no mistake if he is still in charge at the start of next season we will do a Villa.

Damian Wilde
155 Posted 28/04/2016 at 15:32:15
You could be right Dennis, maybe he wants someone more docile than him. Come on Moshiri, f*ck them all off!

Dave is right. We can't just come on here, but be silent during the games otherwise we're part of the problem. Sod being 'nice', RM continually treats us like mugs, let's get the singing going. As well as the suggested chant, we should also sing a few 'You're getting sacked in the morning...'

Rob Halligan
156 Posted 28/04/2016 at 15:34:30
Just been down to Finch Farm. No announcement today I don't think, as no press or TV there. Just a few autograph hunters. Got me photo taken with Rom though!
Matthew Williams
157 Posted 28/04/2016 at 15:35:07
The key to our next gaffer is a man who has won not only a league title but got his squad up AGAIN to win it the following year... that's the real touch of class we need here at GP – a winner!

Frank De Boer...Welcome to Goodison!.

Patrick Murphy
158 Posted 28/04/2016 at 15:35:26
When I was listening to Roberto's press conference I got the impression that the board meeting hadn't yet taken place of course I could be wrong and I'm merely clutching at straws.
Brent Stephens
159 Posted 28/04/2016 at 15:41:39
Dennis #153. I assume that the board would discuss any dismissal of Roberto before any dismissal took place. In many boardroom situations no show of hands is necessary even if there are contrary views - a decision often just "emerges" through the course of discussion. On a show of hands, I assume that technically Moshiri's man on the board could be outvoted - but I can't see it coming to a show of hands, let alone a vote based on the size of shareholding.
Dean Adams
160 Posted 28/04/2016 at 15:49:10
Roberto does not sound like the condemned man. It sounds like he still believes he will be here next season. Of course he could be intensely deluded, but he sure doesn't sound it!!
Steve Pugh
161 Posted 28/04/2016 at 15:51:31
When talking about protests you will very rarely get everyone on board, probably not even most people, so you need to be careful what you plan.

Anything like a walk out, or non attendance will only look really impressive if more than half of the people in the ground take part and the gaps are huge. That will take a lot of doing.

On the other hand 3000 tennis balls raining downing on the pitch requires less than 1 tenth of the crowd and would look amazing. Or 3000 paper aeroplanes saying Martinez out, or what about 3000 beach balls easy to get in deflated and would wreak havoc. You can even write on beach balls to help get the message across.
If we're really lucky one of them might even nick us a goal.

Phil Walling
162 Posted 28/04/2016 at 15:55:37
Lets face it, some good results from the remaining games and we'll finish 'top half'. And, together with the two semi final achievements, I reckon Martinez will hit budget. The money men will be happy and Kenwright ecstatic. 'His' man stays on !
Steve Bingham
163 Posted 28/04/2016 at 15:57:44
The more inane nonsense this man talks increasingly with every new press conference only serves to insult every single Everton supporter! The board is doing the same with its silence and inactivity. Saturday's game has to be an absolute bear pit , showing just HOW we all feel!!
Tony Dove
164 Posted 28/04/2016 at 16:01:48
I have just the man to play RM in the film of his life, Herbert Lom who would just need to repeat his role as Inspector Dreyfus.
Sam Hoare
165 Posted 28/04/2016 at 16:03:12
I wouldn't be so sure Phil, we are 6 points behind Stoke in 10th with 4 games left. I think more likely that we will drop.
Paul Kossoff
166 Posted 28/04/2016 at 16:04:36
You just know that, if Martinez gets sacked at season's end, he will go to a club where he will win a major trophy or the league.
Dennis Ng
167 Posted 28/04/2016 at 16:06:34
Patrick, Brent, true. It might just be rumors flying around, but as long as he's around, our players will continue to decline. I guess since only the fans are hurting and not the board members, it will be a slow march towards obscurity.
Bill Gall
168 Posted 28/04/2016 at 16:07:38
Phil. For us to remain in the top half, yes we have to have good results in our remaining games but, we will have to rely on the teams above us to have poorer results in their final games.
Bill Gall
169 Posted 28/04/2016 at 16:07:40
Phil. For us to remain in the top half, yes we have to have good results in our remaining games but, we will have to rely on the teams above us to have poorer results in their final games.
Bill Gall
170 Posted 28/04/2016 at 16:10:18
sorry about the double entry computer problems.
Jay Wood
171 Posted 28/04/2016 at 16:13:52
Steve @ 161.

"Anything like a walk out, or non attendance will only look really impressive if more than half of the people in the ground take part and the gaps are huge. That will take a lot of doing."

Sadly, Steve, hasn't that already effectively happened at GP on a number of occasions, both this season and last, with the faithful leaving in droves well before the final whistle?

As you say, to drive match-going fanatics to such drastic action 'took a lot of doing!'

John Graham
172 Posted 28/04/2016 at 16:15:36
As usual there are lots of excuses without him actually taking any blame. why bring up the ninth biggest budget in the league, got nothing to do with the rubbish we are playing. and don't judge over two months, were judging over three seasons where performances and results have got steadily worse and worse. all the rubbish getting spouted doesn't change the facts which he can start by explaining why our home form is the worse in decades. its no good saying we should be in a better position because we aren't. i'm just glad there are only four games left or we could have been in bigger trouble. and why give him more time as if we get a bad start next season we could end up in a relegation fight.
the board need to act now. David Moyes was one of the highest payed managers in the league. I am sure there would be managers queuing up to be give the chance to turn things round.....and please not Mark Hughes
Jay Griffiths
174 Posted 28/04/2016 at 16:32:53
Martinez. The man that doesn't need a noose. He does the job with a microphone.
As for Bill. The German hierarchy complained of the Hapsburg empire during WW1 and compared them to being "shackled to a corpse".
Bill is well and truly bound to one now.
Jimmi James
175 Posted 28/04/2016 at 16:35:43
In my humble opinion the players are just as much to blame as anyone, yes RM sets out the way they should play but it seems they cant even do that. For those dreaming of a BIG name manager coming here, lets be realistic its just not going to happen. Which big name manager would want to take over a team that lies as far down the table as we do?. As for attracting some of the players mentioned the same applies, we might be able to afford to shop in Harrods but they wont let us through the door so its down to Aldi for us. Sorry lads but thats the reality of our situation.This being Everton we have not got a clue what will happen next, I really do feel that RM will be here next season. We are fucked either way don't you think?
Mike Moore
176 Posted 28/04/2016 at 16:38:44
What happened to the board meeting this week that was supposed to discuss RMs future? Typically its all gone very quiet.
Eddie Dunn
177 Posted 28/04/2016 at 16:42:31
Graham Mockford, an interesting point regarding Jags, who, we presume sacrificed his health to play in the semi. However, Graham, he was probably not quite so worried about the Euros, as he seems destined to sit on the bench barring injuries to Cahill or Smalling.
I do wonder how we will fare against the Cherries, without Barry and Jags, who have been our brains and heart this season.
This could be a repeat of the crazy game down south, with our defensive problems.
I am truly sick of the Martinez saga and every time I see his face or hear one of his platitudes, I grit my teeth.
The mention of the "ninth " best budget sums up this man's cunningness, he is a master of spin and probably convinces himself that he is right.
If only he was right, and we were just a few small adjustments away from big things!
What nonsense.
Eric Holland
178 Posted 28/04/2016 at 16:45:21
Odschecker now has Pelagrini as favorite for next Manager Hughes out to about 6th favorite.
Tom R Owen
179 Posted 28/04/2016 at 16:46:04
I have just sent a complaint via the Everton FC website choosing categories
Complaint, Everton staff andTitled it The Manager.

Comments: Complete as you wish I have received an email,saying customer services will be in touch !
If enough people do this it will swamp the website.
Matthew Salem
180 Posted 28/04/2016 at 16:48:36
My anger is more directed towards our board now. Why the silence? Why the inaction ? Go away Martinez. Get off your arse Kenwright .
Eddie Dunn
181 Posted 28/04/2016 at 16:48:46
Not Hughes, -he makes Moyes seem exciting.
Daniel A Johnson
182 Posted 28/04/2016 at 16:50:02
Loosely translated

HE IS GOING NOWHERE!!!

Season on season decline............

We are the new Aston Villa. Lets keep heading for that iceberg.

If he's here next season then next season is a write off for me.

Andrew Presly
183 Posted 28/04/2016 at 16:57:32
Very Mike Bassett all this.

"I've given my position very serious thought....and I've decided to announce that......I'm staying!"

Let's face it we're a small time club under Kenwright and friends, just making up the numbers. This is just another reminder if it were needed.

Daniel A Johnson
184 Posted 28/04/2016 at 16:58:10
I would take Moyes. I would take Hughes providing Martinez is not here next year.
John Raftery
185 Posted 28/04/2016 at 17:02:21
In 1981 when Gordon Lee was a dead man walking the Board announced three weeks before the end of the season that the manager's position was under review. They sacked him two days after the end of the season. I suggest the current Board could do the same. An early announcement would take some of the heat out of the current situation and allow three weeks to draw up a short list of suitable replacements as well as sort out the contractual payoff terms for our current manager.

I would sincerely hope that the short list would not include the name of Mark Hughes. He is simply not the man to take us forward. There are many other totally unsuitable names being bandied around. Our club is at the crossroads. It is not an early decision which is required. It is the right decision.

Paul Kossoff
186 Posted 28/04/2016 at 17:04:25
Matt 13, 'no closer to challenging for silverware'? We have just got to two semi finals, and with a little luck and our Rom 'Champions League' Lukaku, playing to the levels of what he thinks he is, and scoring an easy hatrick at wembley, we would have won silverware, finished round tenth and qualified for Europe.

No I'm not a Martinez fan and I want him out but I believe we should have won a cup this season, if that had happened, how many would have still sacked him?
Dave Jones
187 Posted 28/04/2016 at 17:07:55
Simple response from us… Adiós Martinez.

We have started a petition which is now gathering momentum, especially after last week. On our page, you will hopefully see that like all of us, we have sat back and watched over the last 18 months, as our GREAT club, is without doubt, spiraling from potential, regular top five contenders, to possible, relegation strugglers. This is not acceptable. Nor should we allow others to tell us, that we have been over achieving. We are EVERTON Football Club!

So, in this age of the soundbite & ‘I can't be arsed', we have made things easy… on our site there is a free download into your phone or an A4 poster to download and print.

After what's been happening lately, we can't see these staying in our pockets for long. No noise… so no upsetting our team, just a simple message to our current manager and the board.

SACK Martinez NOW!
Dan Davies
188 Posted 28/04/2016 at 17:08:05
Anyone with humility and dignity would have walked by now. The club could stop this madness just by giving a public statement their backing him, if that's what they plan to do.

They know by now the massive discontent amongst the fans, by remaining silent their just inviting trouble at future games. Is Bungling Bill calling the fans bluff?

Back him or SACK him. Simple.

Pete Gunby
190 Posted 28/04/2016 at 17:17:21
We have one of the worst home records in Europe, our worst top flight home record ever. We've been embarrassed by the Darkside and have fallen down the table. We've Lost our only chance to win silverware. And he still has a job. Brace yourselves, we have no ambition, drive or killer instinct, RM will be here next season. Hope I am wrong.
John Raftery
191 Posted 28/04/2016 at 17:19:25
Dan 188 The fact they have not issued a statement backing him tells me he is going.
Mike Green
192 Posted 28/04/2016 at 17:27:40
James Flynn #114 - I think there could be a lot of truth in that.

There are three main scenarios as I see it....

1) Martinez has been given support from the Board - he carries on as normal and picks up (lets say) £50k per week.

2) Martinez has heard nothing from the Board - he carries on as normal and picks up (lets say) £50k per week.

3) Martinez has been told that he's on his way - he carries on as normal and picks up (lets say) £50k per week until they sort his compensation package out.

My guess is it's No.2

I bet he's as in the dark as we are, looking over his shoulder expecting to see an axe dropping every time he turns around... but see's nothing but the dusty corridors of Goodison Park echoing with the distant groans of managers long gone by...

Tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock....

Mohammed Horoub
193 Posted 28/04/2016 at 17:28:31
Best case scenario: Martinez leaves by mutual consent and Pellegrini is hired on June 1st with Arteta and Stubbs coming back as his support staff.

Worst case scenario: Martinez stays and leads the team into the relegation zone by Christmas at which point he is sacked and the only one available is the current 'OFM'.

Seeing as the last home game is probably Howard's last game with the club where he will deserve a great send off, this Saturday's game is the only chance to let the board know how the supporters feel. I know a lot of ideas have been floating around but there really is nothing more effective than seeing a nearly empty Goodison park. Martinez will lose his 'the crowd made us nervous' excuse and will give the board something to think about...

My hope in Mr. Moshiri was crushed today and it seems like business as usual with Kenwright & Co. Only the 36000+ who have tickets for Saturday's game can help save the club...It's a big sacrifice to make but something has to change soon because Year 4 is where Martinez really fires up his relegation engine...
Craig Walker
194 Posted 28/04/2016 at 17:32:51
Martinez's face tells the whole story. When he first came in he looked young, fresh and burning with energy and enthusiasm. Recently he looks older than Methuselah. He's like a gambling addict who thinks that he's just one good result away from a change of fortune and the return of the glory days.
Kevin Judge
195 Posted 28/04/2016 at 17:34:08
Mohamammed Horoub (193), I agree but Arteta or Stubbs, no. Ferguson, yes keep him there.
Steve Kelly
196 Posted 28/04/2016 at 17:39:02
Well at least it seems the journo's at The Guardian arn't swallowing Bobby's BS.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/apr/28/the-fiver-Everton-bobby-m
Brian Porter
199 Posted 28/04/2016 at 17:42:21
The Fiver, the Guardian's daily football online supplement have just described Martinez's latest outpouring as "A DECENT ATTEMPT TO TURN BASE FAILURE INTO GLITTERING ACHIEVEMENT.

They openly use the terms 'snake oil salesman' and purveyor of 'alxhemy' and 'tiki-taka elixir'.

In short we have become a public laughing stock. Do we, and more importantly the board, seriously want our club to become a continuous source of public amusement?

Why are we having to go through this purgatory day after day? Surely even BK can see the evidence before his eyes?

We don't need our club's name becoming a figure of fun in the eyes of the press and the public. Get rid of him now before it's too late.

Anto Byrne
201 Posted 28/04/2016 at 17:45:51
On Saturday they are handing out teabags, sugar cubes and milk. What do they think we are Mugs?
Ste Byn
202 Posted 28/04/2016 at 17:47:26
"I'm more capable now to make the final adjustments to make us better."

In over 24 months you haven't.

Let's hope BK does not want the legacy of the man that seen Evertons top flight football end, cause it's certainly close.

Dave Clark
203 Posted 28/04/2016 at 17:47:48
Unfortunatel I heard the Mark Hughes story last week from a player at the club. My reaction then was the same today when I read it on a website. Surely we can be more creative than this.

I hate Martinez and never wanted him employed, I never could get out of my head that we are employing a guy who got his team relegated. Now we're going for another journeyman in Hughes and I'm sure he's also been relegated (QPR), he's certainly never done anything even with City's millions.

Stoke are awful! Why do I have to go to the worse ground in the country, why do we have the worse management and board in the country. Yet why is it we have the best fans in the country (by a mile)...

I've always supported Kenwright but I suppose I have to concede he is the man at the top and he must be responsible for our dramatic decline. Now to add to everything else we are going for "Mark Hughes", I feel physically sick about it.
Brian Porter
204 Posted 28/04/2016 at 17:55:48
P.S. Should have said BASE FAILURE, not Vase Failure. Apologies.
Jack Convery
205 Posted 28/04/2016 at 18:01:55
Let's judge him over the last 4 years.

Relegation with a Cup win.

5th - cos he got found out near the end of the season and had the Moyes defence.

11th - cos he didn't change from Plan A.

11th in all probability - cos he stuck to his Plan A. Two semis cocked up !

Verdict - OUT OUT OUT !!!

Stewart Lowe
207 Posted 28/04/2016 at 18:08:29
There are no two ways about it. I have read 100's of your comments over the last 12-18 months and this is the best time we have to make our voices heard at Goodison this Saturday.

We have talked and talked and made ourselves angry for far too long. Does anyone else feel its time to now go beyond words and take action? Its all very well us hiding behind websites like this but for anyone who GENUINELY wants Martinez out.

We have to go to Goodison and boo for large periods of the game whether we are playing well or not.

We have to walk down by the ground and shout Martinez out until we can be heard and others join in.

It's our club, not his, and its gone on for far too long.

It's all very well coming on here showing your anger and frustration but Martinez and Kenwright will never hear us until we take this to a much higher level.

Ian Jones
208 Posted 28/04/2016 at 18:13:07
I guess one of the problems with Martinez is that he thinks his methods work and lead to silverware. So I did a quick analysis of his previous work.

They do. One FA Cup win.

To to be fair to him he's not wrong..

I am more convinced than I was at 10 this morning.

:)

Eddie Dunn
209 Posted 28/04/2016 at 18:13:26
My dream team would be Bill Oddie, Beth Tweddle and Ronnie Corbett.
Terry McLavey
210 Posted 28/04/2016 at 18:17:12
This man is positively insane! Does he have a different match playing in his head week in week out, because it's not the one we're seeing?!

I think he's only concern is losing his fat salary. Roberto you couldn't run a bath !
David Edwards
211 Posted 28/04/2016 at 18:18:44
Came home tonight and immediately got on TW to see if the clown has been sacked, and I get a completely deluded statement from him, clearly indicating that there has been no behind the scenes meetings to get rid of him yet! What the hell are they waiting for? If it is not this June 1st reduced cost rumour - are the board expecting us to be placated if we pick up a few points in the remaining games? How bad does the team spirit and fans protest need to be to get the ball rolling. Unless this is the craftiest exit strategy possible - the club's inertia is frightening. The RS would not put up with this situation. Cue the Bournemouth game for some timely fan power. Can we club together for a few fly-pasts?

Can we please knock the Mark Hughes rumours on the head as well - it would be touch or go whether I'd prefer Martinez to stay on rather than this serial under- performer. David Moyes gave me some great memories around the 2009 mark, and steadied the ship - but a successful second coming - no chance! Can the board and ownership thing BIG for once!

Brent Stephens
214 Posted 28/04/2016 at 18:24:13
Ian - He'd only say Pass, Pass, Pass
Jamie McNally
216 Posted 28/04/2016 at 18:31:07
This is just unbelievable! Why can't the whole board hold a meeting with say Jags and Barry and representatives from the supporters club to let them know ours and their feelings?

It's getting worse with the name of Mark Hughes being mentioned! I wasn't that keen on Pellegrini but I would grab him with both hands right now!
Ian Jones
217 Posted 28/04/2016 at 18:34:51
Fair point Brent. Wonder what Roberto's specialist subject would be
Ian Bennett
219 Posted 28/04/2016 at 18:39:39
The elephant in room a Bob, is you can't defend for shit. You have learnt nothing from the Wigan days, and you've employed the same back room staff, and stuck by them.... Your arrogant principles mean you have no plan B.

You fluked a first season by using your principles on a defensively sound Moyes platform. The wheels fell off in the preseason of last year and have never recovered. Tranmere and Paderborn illustrated the problem, and Chelsea did just the same in our own backyard.

You have a talented squad, that is under performing the days of Smith and Walker. Unless you address your principles and back room staff, there is no conversation to be had with any Evertonian. You're a nice guy, but clearly out of your depth.

Kim Vivian
220 Posted 28/04/2016 at 18:42:04
Anthony - #93. It's a while since you wrote it, and I understand your sentiment but that's a bloody disrespectful post, mate, if I'm reading it right.

The man is/has been ill. With what precisely I really don't know but I hope none of his loved ones read some of these comments.

However, agree with all we need RM gone, and with most not Hughes in.

Barry Kelly
222 Posted 28/04/2016 at 18:58:56
Anyone would be better than Martinez... but there again, not Mark Hughes. As well as his limited managerial ability, he proved with Man City that he can't handle money well, or big-name players.

Personally I will never forgive him for unsettling Lescott with continual bids until he eventually got his man and set Everton's pre season planning back weeks.

Other than that, there aren't many out there who wouldn't be an improvement on Martinez. He is an absolute joke who the fans can see through but apparently not the board.
Glen Garrett
223 Posted 28/04/2016 at 19:02:56
PATIENCE? He isn't all the ticket is he? In his 1st season he manage to take Everton into the Europa League and reached the quarter final the next, what the fuck has gone wrong since then?!

Since then Everton have been playing like a League One side, cannot string two wins together, he is destroying Everton just like he did with Wigan.

If he is still manager for next season I can only suggest that Everton fans might as well not bother, hang up those shirts because it's going to be an even more pain full experience for Evertonians next season.

We need a manager who can turn Everton into the Harlem Globe Trotters of football. Martinez isn't it.
Antony Matthews
224 Posted 28/04/2016 at 19:05:57
Kim. I have supported Everton since I was born and am now 55yrs of age. I have seen Everton sides come and go and managers come and go . I was there in the seventies and the glorious eighties and never once has asked for a manager to be removed even Howard Kendall when it was dire. I have seen some great players and some awful players (Earl Barrett anyone?) and yes I have been horrible in my chosen way of critisising Bill,but its called "frustration" with how my beloved team is being torn apart. I was suicidal in the Eighties but Everton saved me.I apologise to Bill and any of his members if they read this forum but I doubt they do otherwise Bill would not put up with Marttinez dragging our great name down and making us a laughing stock.
Amit Vithlani
225 Posted 28/04/2016 at 19:07:27
My random management trio: Alan Partridge, A packet of malteasers, and Geoff Boycott.
Clive Lewis
227 Posted 28/04/2016 at 19:14:21
Roberto is right , we should scrutinise over a longer period.

I conclude over the last 2 seasons that Roberto should be sacked.

Be gone and take the rest of your Wiganisation brigade with you.

Jon Cox
228 Posted 28/04/2016 at 19:20:17
For tonights star prize (Frank Sinatra sings Jonny Rotten album), the question is in two parts;

Part 1. Hughes and Koeman were mentioned on radio Talkbollox this morning about which two clubs in the EPL.

Part 2. Why?

Dave Ganley
229 Posted 28/04/2016 at 19:22:30
Im ceasing to actually give a fuck anymore. Just seen in the echo that Kevin Ratcliffe has been wheeled out to tow the party line about us being better than protesting on Saturday. No wonder we are fucking serial losers. We just do nothing and be told to do nothing by ex captains. Allied to that the board do nothing and we have a fucking gob shite of a manager who is trying to tell us we're closer than ever to winning something. How we put up with being treated like fucking morons by everybody at the club is beyond me.

I said just that I am ceasing to care....jeez I wish....I am fucking livid that idiot is still there and not been sacked by now. Ratcliffe coming out with club propaganda has only reinforced my determination to take part in any protest being planned for Saturday. I have just about had enough of this shithouse club....being the laughing stock of everyone especially the gobshites across the park. I will be doing my bit on Saturday and also for the rest of this miserable season. Its just too awful to contemplate that fucking prick being in charge come August.

Phil Rodgers
230 Posted 28/04/2016 at 19:23:09
These comments remind me of this...


https://youtu.be/uT6CeunEbGc

Paul Hughes
233 Posted 28/04/2016 at 19:33:47
Only Everton. We all want Roberto gone but then we hear we want Mark Hughes. It goes from bad to worse. Let's go get Frank de Boer. He wants to come to the Premier League. With plenty of money to spend we could tempt him.
Ray Said
234 Posted 28/04/2016 at 19:36:08
A couple of points;

1; has it actually been confirmed by a trusted source that there is a board meeting today?

2. The votes of the board members has no relation to the shareholding-currently Moshiri's rep has one vote even though that vote carries 49% of the shareholding. This will change when elections to the board are held and Moshiri can use his shareholding power to vote in more reps to the board. That is my understanding and experience of how a board of directors works but this is Everton and the board seem to make it up as they go along.

Darryl Ritchie
235 Posted 28/04/2016 at 19:38:03
I think we had all better get used to the idea of Roberto as our manager. As long as Kenwright has any kind of say on the board, he will NEVER be sacked.

Martinez could leave, but that's not going to happen. He has supreme belief in his skills as manager; he just needs more time...Riiight.

They're both completely oblivious to what is completely obvious to everyone else in the universe.

Dean Peamum
236 Posted 28/04/2016 at 19:42:45
Dave Ganley #229

I was going to post but you beat me to it and put it better than I could. Think you've nailed it there for the majority of fans. Adios El Payasa.

Martin Mason
237 Posted 28/04/2016 at 19:47:12
A decent man would have resigned but this fraud has outfoxed everybody. He knows that we will keep buying the product (we all know that) and apart from a banner here or there and a moan on a minority web site we will do nothing that can put his position at risk. He obviously has BK at the mercy of his golden tongue forked though it is.
Ian McDowell
239 Posted 28/04/2016 at 19:50:59
We still aren't mathematically safe from relegation yet. Whilst its unlikely that we will go down, the whole blasé attitude from the board and coaching team sums everything up at Everton.
Michael Polley
240 Posted 28/04/2016 at 19:57:11
He talks the talk, but the performances and reality on the pitch prove he is delusional. He had alienated both the players and fans, and if he stays relegation looms next season. That is something that can not be forgiven.

Do the right thing Everton board and sack him now. I pray there is something going on behind the scenes. He cannot remain as our manager.
Richard Reeves
241 Posted 28/04/2016 at 19:57:53
I think Kenwright wil sack him if the whole stadium voice there disaproval or do something to highlight there feelings and I think that is what he is waiting for.

It's as if he hasn't got the balls to get rid of Martinez before the end of the season and look like the bad guy that he would rather put him through what could be an uncomfortable/hostile situation at Goodison so that he can say "look I would still keep you on but when the whole crowd turns against you it leaves me with no choice".
Ray Robinson
242 Posted 28/04/2016 at 20:00:03
Quite by chance, I came across these quotes by a certain Margaret Heffernan

“You cannot fix a problem that you refuse to acknowledge.”

“The combination of power, optimism and abstract thinking makes powerful people more certain. The more cut-off they are from others, the more confident they are that they are right.”

Martinez is deluded. I do judge him over 3 seasons, not the last 3 months. He has to go.

Stewart Lowe
243 Posted 28/04/2016 at 20:01:30
You all do realise that commenting on here and expecting Kenwright and Martinez to hear about it would be like banging your head against your living room wall and expecting the board to feel those vibrations. There is such a distance between sites like this and the actual club. I know its good to get it off your chest to say how you feel on here and its even better when people agree with what your saying as it makes you feel your not the only one.

However, we all have to go to the ground this Saturday and you don't even need to buy a ticket to get your anger across as. Simply gathering in pockets around the outside of the stadium and demonstrating will make you guys heard. The people holding banners up are the brave ones that started this so join them and if we all got together and did the same they would have to listen as the media are well on to this and when the media smell blood they don't let go.

Colin Glassar
244 Posted 28/04/2016 at 20:07:08
BK's obviously playing his waiting game. Waiting for everyone to be worn down by his usual paralysis. It's worked for him before, he probably thinks it'll work for him again.

I'm not holding my breath over this and I'm not too convinced by Moshiri either tbh, they look like two peas in a pod.

Terence Beresford
245 Posted 28/04/2016 at 20:10:08
Roberto Martinez should have been removed from the Everton bench at half time in the Derby. That would have made a statement to are long suffering fans that our club means business.

Alas, we have no choice but to do everything in our power to make Saturday's game as unbearable for the people running our club as they have made it supporting them this past couple of years.

We may not get another chance as when are last game is played. They will all be in hiding till next year. Support the team blues but let's get rid of this clown!
Jon Cox
246 Posted 28/04/2016 at 20:11:15
Dave,

"We just do nothing and be told to do nothing by ex captains."

I remember an " ex captain" who in 1912 thought he knew best as well.

I think it's about time our Leonado Di Kenwright (want you to be in the best of health by the way) shuffled off into the golden/bronze sunset and let the real black/white business men take over the running of our club.

Have no fear Bill,

go now and we'll applaud you every time we see you at Goodison.

If you stay, then, .....

Simon Bates
247 Posted 28/04/2016 at 20:13:34
I also e-mailed Bill Kenwright at the address posted earlier directly to his account, we'd hope!

Seriously, everyone do it, the email was sent and received, so it's going somewhere at the club.

Inundate them as well as a match protest. Everyone, however small and insignificant you may feel it is, just do something,anything, to get our point across.

Hit them from all possible angles, non-violently of course.
Christopher Marston
248 Posted 28/04/2016 at 20:13:52
I can't stand this! How on earth is he still our manager?!!!!
Brian Williams
249 Posted 28/04/2016 at 20:14:41
Two words......tennis balls!
Jay Griffiths
250 Posted 28/04/2016 at 20:15:42
His words today comfort me.
His desperation comforts me.
This man had aspirations of being Barcalona coach.
This man had hopes of being his national team coach.
Wigan relegated, Everton decimated. That's now a poor CV.
He knows the gig is up. He'd tell us Eve came first if it kept him in situ.
The final pleading words of a condemned man.
Steve Woods
251 Posted 28/04/2016 at 20:21:53
I have always woken up from previous nightmares and then quickly forgotten them. This one however has been going on, and on, and on, seemingly without end. The horror, the fear, the frustration and anger getting worse at every turn. Someone please make it all stop!
Matt Garen
252 Posted 28/04/2016 at 20:22:38
The majority of ToffeeWebbers will find this hard to stomach but despite it not being that good on the eye Moyes did an absolutely amazing job and would do again and secondly the board can show ambition all they like but anyone who genuinely thinks Everton are an attractive proposition to the likes of De Boer, Simeone or Koeman are barking up a very dodgy looking tree.

Don't spout the history bollocks either. Mid table team, 9th biggest budget as the clown told us today and getting further and further behind clubs with new stadiums. There has to be some realism here.

Heard on Talksport this morning Hughes signed Kompany, Dembele and Arnautavic, which surprised me however that's not to say I'd be over the moon if he came because I'd love a top manager with league and European winning c.v it just isn't going to happen. The closest one to that potentially available would be Benitez and 70% of fans would have an anuerism if that happened.

Ian Riley
254 Posted 28/04/2016 at 20:24:47
Why do Everton FC make sacking a manager such a drama!

It's going to take some convincing by Mr Kenwright to keep Martinez.

If Martinez wants patience, I will leave my season ticket till 17/18. More games in the Championship!

Gavin Johnson
255 Posted 28/04/2016 at 20:26:17
Yes Colin. I'm guessing that BK is hoping this episode has parallels to 2003/04 when we finished 17th and Martinez will guide Everton like a Phoenix to a champions league finish next season. Both of them should be on Phoenix nights such is their level of delusion. The sooner Moshiri takes full control the better.

I didn't look at TW much back in 2003/04 but I'm guessing the vitriol against Moyes to leave was nowhere near this level.

Trevor Powell
256 Posted 28/04/2016 at 20:26:26
Like Jay [250]. I get the impression of the stench of spanish browning gusset,

"I think the man does protest too much" .... if his record can withstand such scrutiny, why does he have to keep makinng speeches mentioning it. I never remember Fergs doing this each season the manure did not win a trophy!

Winning the FA Cup is a lovely thing and I've seen the boys do it at Wembley three times, but in the end it is a lottery and coming up for a few games a season,

This is his CV, an FA Cup win!!!!! Joe Royle left in the same time frame so why does he think he has the right to expect more!

Jon Cox
257 Posted 28/04/2016 at 20:53:40
"Heard on Talksport this morning Hughes signed Kompany, Dembele and Arnautavic, which surprised me however that's not to say I'd be over the moon if he came because I'd love a top manager with league and European winning c.v it just isn't going to happen."

OI useless arse I listened to talkspit on EFC this morning and never heard a word of that.

Please explain yourself or STFU.

At the end of the day Martinez is a useless MF and does not deserve to be in GB let alone England. But I would say that they, the shites across the park could have him for what they gave for Andy Carrol.

Kim Vivian
258 Posted 28/04/2016 at 20:56:57
Matt Garen - I agree with every word on that post (#252).

I wasn't a visitor to TWeb when Moyes was here so drew my own conclusions at the time and was a very appreciative of him. I had him nailed on as Sir Whiskey Nose's replacement years before it happened and whilst I despised Benitez with venom when he was at the redshite I would accept him if the opportunity arose.

Anthony - 224. You're a mere sprog, mate! HaHa. I've got a couple of years on you although didn't know I had been born a Blue until I was about 16/17. But I am just as frustrated. Pulling my frigging hair out.

This morning I had a moment of euphoria while I was in my car (parked up) browsing the BBC sport site and I read the words 'So Martinez has departed...' cue jubilant cheering but read on to see that he had simply departed the pressie.

Bollocks!

Kevin Judge
259 Posted 28/04/2016 at 21:10:21
Matt Garen (252) "Moyes did amazing job and would do again!"

I have just had a stroke. What amazing job did he do with us? Top 8 club – where is the NSNO, hey?

And ask any Man Utd fans what they thought of him after 6 months with a free open cheque and having taken over the last Champions.

Kev Johnson
261 Posted 28/04/2016 at 21:14:45
It's like a bad relationship, this shite. Make a statement, Everton.

It would be very interesting to see what percentage of blues still support this goon. Surely it can only be 1% or 0.5%. Would he be still at Man Utd or at the RS? We know the answer...

So why is he still around? Act now, Everton, not in December, when we will languish at the bottom of the league.

Kenwright is running our club like one of his West End kiosk shops. Get rid.

Trevor Peers
262 Posted 28/04/2016 at 21:22:52
The smirk on Roberto's face says it all, he looks like the cat that got the cream, he's going nowhere, BK has already told him I reckon. Why else was he allowed to do that awful presser this morning.

Insulting to our supporters for many reasons, but by far the biggest is having the worst home record EVER in our history, it rewards failure to keep him in the job.

How supporter's of other clubs must be laughing at us. l know a lot of City and United fans who are baffled by the way our club is run, it won't end until Kenwright disappears.

Trevor Peers
264 Posted 28/04/2016 at 21:32:52
It won't end until Kenwright disappears from the club I meant.
David Barks
265 Posted 28/04/2016 at 21:36:24
Kevin Judge,

Complete bullshit, Moyes was not given the money to spend at United. That was Van Gaal the next summer who spent hundreds of millions only to achieve no better and actually worse than Moyes. Moyes was allowed to sign Fellaini in the Summer and Mata later, that's about it.

As for what he did here, we were consistency fighting to European places. He had no budget to spend while here unlike Martinez, and achieved far better results and dare I say it, better football to watch. This BS that Martinez teams are good to watch is a myth, we're boring. Most of our possession is passing sideways and backward, we aren't some great attacking threat.

Moyes was far superior to Martinez, and left a damn good team for Martinez, only to see it ripped apart.

Michael Coffey
266 Posted 28/04/2016 at 21:38:29
He's possibly taking a leaf out of Bashar Al Assad's book. Despite overwhelming opposition, tough it out until your opponents start fighting among themselves, confident that the world's media doesn't really care.
Kevin Judge
267 Posted 28/04/2016 at 21:45:40
David Barks, what, Moyes took over the Champions, do you understand, and as for 11 years in charge, how many semi-finals did he reach? Martinez has 2 semifinals and a season with the most Premier League points ever.

I am not saying Martinez is any good but he's done more in less than 3 years than Moyes did in his first 7 years.

Just remember... Moyes then took control of the Champions. Martinez took over us; enough said.

Don Alexander
268 Posted 28/04/2016 at 21:59:24
"Martinez asks for patience from frustrated fans" is all well and good but what about the vast majority of the rest of us who are "angry fans"?
Kevin Judge
271 Posted 28/04/2016 at 22:13:31
Also, David, how many cups did Moyes win as a manager?

You say he had no money at Man Utd... funny that he had huge bids for Baines and Coleman knocked back.

I have to state again, Man Utd were Champions when he took over; he lasted 6 months – he was found out with his negative football... fact.

So go on, next comment.

Charlie Lloyd
272 Posted 28/04/2016 at 22:19:17
I actually thought it was one of his better press conferences. He said the right things and his eyes displayed the eagerness to make it happen. He didn't speak total rubbish as usual (just a bit of rubbish) and he didn't act too shifty like he didn't believe his words.

Problem being for me.

He is just not up to the job of achieving his objective and we know it, the players know it but for some reason the board don't.

Saturday beckons then.

Les Netherwood
273 Posted 28/04/2016 at 22:31:01
We have had a season of all this crap and rubbish results, its past time for him to go... it may be that Kenwright has to go first... it can't be soon enough for me.

BK has held the club back for too many years....he should move over now. We can live in hope and look forward to some big rebuilding in the close season.

Dick Fearon
274 Posted 28/04/2016 at 22:38:38
He proved at Wigan, then at Everton, his style is completely different to every other club. To start with, his players are not nearly as fit as they should be. His tactics are bloody awful.

Aw' shit! that's it! no more, I give in, I am sick of reading or hearing about him and his cosy relationship with Kenwright.

We have been taken for a ride by a pair of self-satisfied self-serving conceited bastards that demonstrate their utter contempt for your average supporter.

Only on this side of the park would they get away with that kind of arrogance. I am damn sure that Kopites would run them out of town.

Nigel Munford
276 Posted 28/04/2016 at 23:17:59
I see he has a new buzz word in 'scrutiny' as he seemed to use it endlessly in these quotes, 'phenomenal' is out 'scrutiny' is in.

Utter BS!

Colin Glassar
277 Posted 28/04/2016 at 23:27:02
According to Matt Law, Telegraph, the board meeting is on Friday and Roberto's already got one foot out of the door.
Tony Twist
278 Posted 28/04/2016 at 23:30:03
Plain and simple: Kenwright needs to feel the heat, he will soon get rid of Martinez. Roll on Saturday and the Goodison roar.
Trevor Peers
279 Posted 28/04/2016 at 23:30:06
Makes sense Colin, it's the only effing day left, believe when it happens.
Michael Penley
280 Posted 28/04/2016 at 23:32:29
Aren't Roberto's press conferences before the weekend Premier League games usually on Friday? Maybe there is something to the rumour of a board meeting today...
Colin Glassar
281 Posted 28/04/2016 at 23:36:03
Moshiri and Woods for, BK against, Elstone hedging his bets but will probably go with Moshiri and Woods in an effort to keep his job.
Brendan Fox
282 Posted 28/04/2016 at 23:44:45
Roberto please stop talking bollocks and trying to pull the wool over the supporters eyes.

We are not going to tolerate your mediocrity any more, the last two seasons have proven the first season was a fluke and using the backbone of the ginger looser's squad.

Mediocrity after mediocrity is just not good enough.

I just hope the rumours about Hughes are just that because again he is another bang average manager.

Everton need to reach for the stars and think big and be brave in trying to get the best man for the job that they can convince to take us back to the summit!

Paul Birmingham
283 Posted 29/04/2016 at 00:14:05
Let's keep calm and check if there is a business acumen and line of sight assessment of where the board believes, after this seasons train crash, we truly are in their business plan expectation.

Fact over fiction and anecdotes, and we will see what the new members of the board mean, in terms of realistic aspirations for EFC. It's the time for a reality check, and facts are there for the world to see. In EFC and playwright style, this could be an epic... Saturday will soon arrive.

Friday if a meeting in the smoke is true, may just be a screen, for the final epic. If we don't get a point from the last 4 games, it's a good chance of eternal damnation. Why is it us?

We all deserve a summer of peace but this facade, can't run for ever, as even the Manager, is now admitting, it's not good enough, honest, but 20 months of decline, is enough. NSNO!

Mick Davies
284 Posted 28/04/2016 at 00:19:31
This man must have studied Lewis Carroll. He lives by the old adage 'If you can't dazzle them with brains, baffle them with bullshit' and it's a total insult to us fans that, a) he expects us to accept it and b) the fat controller allows it to go on.

Kenwright is the worst thing that has happened to Everton FC in the last 20 years. He claims to be an Evertonian yet the facts say different; he refuses to speak to fans whenever they confront him with topics that relate to the running of the club, but embarrassingly gushes over a failing manager in front of the cameras.

He claimed to be looking for a new owner for years, but what we see now is, he wanted to earn millions from the sale yet retain control.

I'm afraid all our joy at the Moshiri 'takeover' may be wishful thinking: it looks just like the Robert Earl situation, and the sickening part for me was seeing King Bullshit with his arm draped over Farhad telling the world 'What a manager' we had. Where was he after the derby defeat?

I don't care if he is supposed to be ill (more reason for him to stay away if he is), he's made more money out of Everton FC than thousands of fans put together will earn in their collective lives, so after making his fortune, why won't he walk away and save our great institution from more damage?

The answer seems to be he's a control freak, and I fear he is determined to prove us all wrong by keeping HIS man in charge. So prepare to see Snr Jabberwocky in charge come August. As a fan who 'really did' serve his apprenticeship in the Boys Pen, I have to say I've never been so disgusted with the people running Everton FC.

Neil Lawson
285 Posted 29/04/2016 at 00:37:39
The board members will be only too well aware of the depth of feeling. The deafening silence from them is disgraceful and utterly disrespectful to the loyal fans.

I cling to the hope that the absence of comment is the precursor to an imminent sacking. PLEASE.

Dan Davies
286 Posted 29/04/2016 at 00:53:27
Hmm 'Bullshit Baffles Brain' Mick indeed except this Fraud has been exposed.
Nick Page
287 Posted 29/04/2016 at 00:59:00
OMG I just read Kevin Judges last comment. OMG........... I can't say anymore otherwise I'll get banned again. But I will ask this, if you are really an Evertonian do you not want the best for the club you support?
Joe O'Brien
288 Posted 29/04/2016 at 01:08:07
Board meeting scheduled for tomorrow to dicuss RM's future! Light at the end of the tunnel? Fingers crossed blues
Mike Hughes
289 Posted 29/04/2016 at 01:21:05
The Daily Telegraph now reporting RM is close to losing his job.

(BBC gossip column)

Douglas McClenaghan
290 Posted 29/04/2016 at 01:21:22
Correct, Mick. Jam tomorrow.
Francis Gibson
291 Posted 29/04/2016 at 01:52:44
Until very recently I've not felt the need to sign on to TW in order to leave comments on anything, though I've very much enjoyed the site the past 13 years at least; living on the side of the globe that I usually do, as I wake, most of you are sleeping off my yesterday, and have already left dozens (if not hundreds!) of comments to the blog items here, with the exact sentiments I'd express... and usually with much better grammar. So, I've just left it to you lot.

And that's sort of the case here as well – I've nothing to add; you guys n gals said it all. In a few cases, maybe too much? Just kidding. ;-)

But there is one thing I can say before I head back into lurkerdom, and it's a big THANK YOU to everyone who takes the time to type out something here, and share your feelings about this special club of ours. It means more to people like me than you'd know.

Where I'm living these days, I've no one to speak with about the footy – I barely even speak the language. In all of my 25 mostly loooong years of support, I've not felt this level of disenchantment or malaise about the club, and what's happening (or not happening, as it may be) within and without.

Even through the couple relegation scares that I remember, I wasn't at this level of aggro about all things Everton. Apart from a few isolated moments, I've hated almost every minute of this season, and I'm generally a pretty positive, mellow dude about almost everything.

Which brings me back to this gratitude I have for this site, the editors, and mostly you all. It makes a world of difference for me to know that my EFC brethren and sistren worldwide are feeling the same things I do, to the extent that I do.

So, please keep posting and venting and raging, ToffeWebbers – you're definitely speaking for me, too. As my favourite band The Stranglers sang, Something Better Change. :-)

Craig Walker
294 Posted 29/04/2016 at 09:17:26
I was getting ready for going to the game tomorrow. Got the shirt out etc. and couldn't carry all of the tennis balls I'd planned on taking so I shoved them down my trousers. The missus said "what's that in your trousers?" I said "tennis balls". She said "I bet that's painful. I had tennis elbow once". Ba dum tsschh.
Mick Davies
295 Posted 29/04/2016 at 13:22:12
Francis @ 291, one of my favourite bands too. Maybe we could say it's gone from Golden Brown (shoes) to (sick of you) Hangin Around - Go 'Bobby' Go and Walk on By. Hopefully then, Goodbye 'to lose' and Waltzin back - Who Wants The World . . maybe I should Get a Grip
Ian Linn
296 Posted 29/04/2016 at 19:08:07
Mick 295 maybe Martinez could fuck off down in a sewer.

On a more scary note, I heard on Talksport (OK I know, consider the source) that Everton want Hughes as their new Manager.

No we don't.

Dave Clark
297 Posted 29/04/2016 at 19:18:45
Exactly Ian (#296)... how depressing, uninspiring and lack of ambition to go for Mark Hughes. But, as I said earlier, I heard this story from inside the club last week.

Everyone I've told has the same disappointed face. Everyone I speak to thinks Martinez should've been sacked weeks ago.

Now, with Mark Hughes's appointment likely, how is it the Board are so out of touch with the fans...?? Disgraceful!

John Davies
299 Posted 29/04/2016 at 20:55:28
What are the guys who run the club doing? This is just the most embarrassing debacle for many, many years. We are a complete laughing stock. IDIOTS from top to bottom. The club has no future at all with these clowns in control.
Matt Garen
301 Posted 30/04/2016 at 10:06:03
Jon Cox, may I say what a fantastically apt surname you have there son, on Wednesday morning Alan Brazil had Ray Houghton on his show and they along with Ray Parlour discussed Mark Hughes and Houghton named those playerw, so there that's me explaining myself. You listened to it all morning though so you will have heard it. Unless of course you weren't listening at all but just didn't like my post. Who knows.
Karl Meighan
302 Posted 30/04/2016 at 10:24:19
Huge expectations? What's that expecting to win more than five home games a season.

Judge me over three seasons not three months, fine we have a team in free fall, going backwards and team and squad that looks old, tired and lacking not only defensive quality but in creativity also.

Who apart from Barkley and perhaps Mirallas do we have that can create chances on a regular basis for the strikers or should I say striker. Even here ime being generous as its debatable that Barkley or Mirallas are consistent enough to hold onto a shirt.

Defensively its all been said and none of it good, Alcatraz anyone?

Matt Garen
303 Posted 30/04/2016 at 10:31:57
Yeah but Karl, Kevin Judge days Martinez has done more in 3 years than Moyes did in 7, so stop being silly.
Ian Hollingworth
304 Posted 30/04/2016 at 10:46:20
Just sent this to Bill's email address on here... let's hope it is the right one!

Bill

As a blue I hope you share our pain.

Quite simply Roberto Martinez cannot remain as manager of Everton FC. I am sure you know the statistics involved so there is no need for me to repeat them but have a close look at them they are shocking and no befitting our beloved blues.

I worry that you rushed into his appointment and did not study his career and abilities. have spoken at length with many Wigan fans and studied his statistics. Without boring you he took over Wigan when they had just finished 11th in the Premier League. Under Martinez the best they achieved before being relegated was 15th. They shipped loads of goals and had a shocking win ratio. Sound familiar?

The Wigan fans I speak to questioned all the things we do regarding Roberto,

1. Players lack of fitness
2. No plan B and refuses to change
3. Poor in game management
4. Poor quality of incoming players

Martinez relegated Wigan with players such as Alcaraz, Kone and Robles who Wigan fans did not think we're good enough for Wigan yet you allowed him to bring them to Everton along with a unknown back room staff.

I implore you to start showing ambition for Everton FC starting with the inevitable sacking of Martinez. He may be a nice man but he clearly is not up to managing Everton FC.

You wouldn't let someone who couldn't sing play the lead role in one of your musicals so why oh why are you allowing an incapable manager lead our beloved blues.

Please do the right thing.

David Cromwell
305 Posted 30/04/2016 at 12:24:37
I've cancelled my sports package. I couldn't even tell you where my Everton top is let alone the last time I wore it. It's like a dunces cap. I cannot believe we've gone 21 years without a trophy and the last man to score a winner for us at Wembley was Vinny Samways.

I'm out. Whilst I'm Blue through and through I can't go on. Madness is doing the same thing and expecting different results. Watching Everton in the Kenwright era is madness. I cringe when I think how much of the last twenty years have been spent following, watching, debating and supporting our once great club. I could have invested less time or even no time and I wouldn't of missed much of note.

I'm proud of our history, of our values and of my fellow blues. But this club has been so systematically run into the ground that it's not only sad, but also now mildly embarrassing. I didn't even bother to watch the "defining week" but just checked on the results on here, oh and the text messages from "sympathetic" RS.

As much as it hurts to read about our capitulations at Wembley and Anfield, it hurts a lot less than watching or god forbid attending in person. Match going blues, especially away fans, have my ultimate respect as I just could not go and watch EFC at present. Of course, you never like losing, but the manner of the defeats is so maddening that I cannot watch anymore.

Of course, Moshiri is here and when he starts asserting himself upon the club I will cautiously start watching again. But as long as Kenwright is here, I'm just not prepared to involve myself. The man is a complete inadequate and his performance as chairman wholly unacceptable. After he's gone, I expect a history of Everton will conclude this as well. His calamitous reign is the single biggest reason why we are where we are.

Sadly, this season has been a complete vindication of what others on here posted for years. Michael Kenrick used to be so fiery and ferocious in his statement that the league was there to be won, that a glass ceiling was just that, that for sure money was a factor – a factor not THE factor. Leicester of course have proved him to be absolutely correct. Tragically a better chairman would have set us up to be a Leicester. Sadly even Michael Kenrick seems to be as jaded as many of the rest of us. He seems to be not even angry just numb at watching this slow motion nightmare.

Ken Buckley couldn't even review the shambles at Anfield. So many names I used to see on here are gone, I assume as a consequence of alienation from the club they love. I'm not the the only one tuning out, clearly.

I'll just read about them on here until Moshiri starts calling the shots. Until the Kenwright era is over the best fans in the world can expect more of the same not good enough incompetent amateurish rubbish.

KENWRIGHT OUT, MARTINEZ OUT

John Codling
306 Posted 30/04/2016 at 12:28:12
This clown took 4 seasons to finally get Wigan relegated with horrendous defensive stats that he did fuck all to address. He's had 3 seasons at our club so he wants another season to complete the double.

Every fan should let the club know this afternoon that this twat has to go and go soon... We are staring at the abyss.

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