Seamus Coleman started his first senior game for Everton in 10 months
Refreshed from a 10-day hiatus enforced by their early exit from the FA Cup, Everton were back in action under the lights to face resurgent Leicester City at Goodison Park.
Seamus Coleman made his return to first-team action as he was handed a start against The Foxes. Having played an hour for the Under-23s in their Premier League Cup tie against Portsmouth last week, Sam Allardyce has seen enough to put him straight into his starting line-up.
Coleman has missed the past 10 months after breaking his leg against Wales playing for Republic of Ireland back in March 2017. He replaced Jonjoe Kenny, who dropped to the bench, one of six changes made by Blues boss Allardyce.
Tom Davies returned to the starting line-up which featured supersub Niasse up-front with Rooney and Sigurdsson on the field together again. Schneiderlin, Williams, Bolasie, and new signing Cenk Tosun, all joined Kenny on the bench as Allardyce continued to search for a winning formation. Holgate not involved.
No Riyad Mahrez for the visitors, with massive transfer attention from Man City supposedly 'unsettling' the Foxes star.
After a massive roar for Seamus, the game kicked off with the requisite hoof, turnover, Leicester attack, defensive scramble, poor clearance, corner, headed over.
Walcott tested Schmeichel with a nice ground shot forcing a corner that was cleared. Leicester forced another corner and Ndidi managed to hit the bar! An incredible let-off for the Blues, showing their all-too accustomed-incompetence in defence.
It was horrible scrappy sloppy formless nonsense football from Everton, which should be no surprise as that also is what we have sadly become accustomed to as the new 'normal'. Walcott caught himself trying to tackle.
Everton won a corner with some attacking play, Walcott and Coleman combining well, but nothing from the corner. Coleman was showing some real vitality in winning another corner.
But from a Foxes corner, Everton broke with speed and Walcott converted off a fine ball from Sigurdsson, with Martina playing a critical part in the build-up to dispossess a defender.
The goal completely changed the complexion of the game, with Rooney starting to control the midfield. Niasse got barged off an aerial ball but not really a penalty call. Walcott was in the wars, needing attention after trying in vain to play himself into space.
Kenny was sent to warm up after 35 minutes, Coleman showing signs of strain on his right side. Davies looked to beat Ndidi and was fouled, setting up a deep set-piece for Sigurdsson to deliver. He then set up Niasse in the follow-up and a dreadful miss, his shot skinning the outside of the post from 7 yards and the goal gaping.
A hopeful re-feed by Rooney found Keane who set it up nicely for Walcott running around the defence to fire home from a narrow angle for his second of the night, a splendid determined first-time finish.
Niasse did brilliantly to dispossess Maguire and gallop forward only to overplay a golden chance to make it three. Everton very much in control and probing forward with intent as the half drew to a close. But a Rooney giveaway to Vardy had hearts in mouths.
Another free-kick set-piece for Sigurdsson, this one on the left, where he was fouled. This one curled in dangerously and some good goalmouth scrambling ensued, Rooney unable to reach the bouncing ball.
Leicester City won a late corner that was repelled before the break.
No changes as hostilities resumed, with The Foxes making the early running. A sweeping move from the back, Walcott to Rooney to Niasse showed promise.
Walcott almost created a third, beating two men, but with Sigurdsson and Niasse unable to connect as Schmeichel intervened. Better forward play was spoilt when the ball would come back to Gana and be played backwards until Davies tried to play in Walcott with a lovely chip forward.
Walcott was caught by James, Sigurdsson swinging in another set-piece that Schmeichel batted away, Jagielka's cross back in a little wayward. Coleman had a great run from the back, playing in Niasse, and winning a corner, delivered by Sigurdsson all the way through to Niasse but he fumbled it after Rooney had missed it.
Walcott looked to shoot but almost played in Niasse at the back post as Everton looked for a third goal. The game lost impetus somewhat until Walcott and Coleman surged forward but Niasse could not convert, with Cenk Tosun no doubt watching these chances created rather jealously.
Out of nothing, Rooney was penalized for holding an attacker, penalty converted by Vardy. This gave The Foxes a new lease of life and they attacked with new-found persistence, with a quarter of the game left in the pouring rain.
More nervy play saw Rooney give up a corner that caused absolute chaos in the Everton box, Leicester hitting the woodwork twice more! Pickford doing well to deny Iheanacho space and time to finish.
The next attack came all the way through to James but somehow he could not convert a golden chance, Everton really rocking on their heels giving Goodison a collective heart-attack. Time for some changes: Rooney and Sigurdsson off; Schneiderlin and Calvert-Lewin on with less than 10 mins left.
Maguire fouled Walcott, Davies unable to create anything from the set-piece. Schmeichel came out and was left stranded but Walcott's shot was cleared of the line, Keane coming close from the corner, beaten by Schmeichel.
Coleman got a chance to run in at Schmeichel but screwed his game-winning shot well wide. Williams replaced Niasse in an attempt to hold the lead for the last few minutes.
Albrighton dived in on Davies from behind, earning a yellow card but the Everton free-kick was poor. Another free kick, and a yellow card for Ndidi before the end as the clock wound down to a very precious if ultimately nervy Everton win.
A late corner for Leicester was totally messed up and Coleman scampered forward but could not shoot or find Calvert-Lewin. Everton held on to win a vital 3 points.
Scorers: Walcott (25', 39'); Vardy (pen:76')
Everton: Pickford, Coleman, Keane, Jagielka, Martina, Gueye, Davies, Walcott, Rooney (81' Schneiderlin), Sigurdsson (81' Calvert-Lewin), Niasse (88' Williams).
Subs not Used: Robles, Bolasie, Tosun, Kenny.
Leicester City: Schmeichel, Amartey (75' Fuchs), Dragovic, Maguire, Chilwell,
Ndidi [Y:92], James, Gray (75' Iheanacho), Okazaki (58' Diabate), Albrighton [Y:90'], Vardy.
Subs not Used: Hamer, Adrien Silva, Iborra, Benalouane.
Referee: Chris Kavanagh.
Reader Comments (194)
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1 Posted 31/01/2018 at 18:52:31
Also - Rooney + Sigurdsson together with Niasse up front.
Personally if Coleman was going to play, why not try Kenny at left back - he sure as hell couldn't be any worse than Martina.
A slightly perplexing setup for the off!
2 Posted 31/01/2018 at 18:58:34
3 Posted 31/01/2018 at 18:59:10
4 Posted 31/01/2018 at 19:00:13
5 Posted 31/01/2018 at 19:00:16
Coleman picked to start, foolish gamble of a desperate man.
Sigurdsson and Rooney on same team after saying they cannot play on same team.
Tosun on bench after only two games. What message does that give to the player?
Only one recognised winger. Limiting options to right hand side.
If we lose tonight, then I believe that we are in big trouble. Look at Swansea beating Liverpool and Arsenal, this team under this leadership and management up until now could not aspire to that. Tonight is or real benchmark. We can compete with Leicester or we are competing with the Strugglers and at that level I would fear for us based on performances to date.
6 Posted 31/01/2018 at 19:02:12
Big Sam needs to do one. Unsworth had more about him than this twerp.
7 Posted 31/01/2018 at 19:06:31
8 Posted 31/01/2018 at 19:08:56
9 Posted 31/01/2018 at 19:11:00
Great to see Seamus back, but surely not in the starting line up?
The team looks totally unbalanced to me.
Even if we do win (and I sincerely hope we do) Allardyce will have us camped in our own half. Do it away but not at home, totally negative. Pay him off at the end of the season, and Steve Walsh.
10 Posted 31/01/2018 at 19:15:34
Leicester are all about Vardy's pace in attack but I think this team will sit a bit deeper to nullify that.
We will be all about quick passing out to Theo Walcott. Niasse can get on the end of one of his low crosses. Also, Sigurdsson and Rooney will be attacking the 18 yard line waiting to bury any loose ball or reversed cross.
I think we will win this one and play well .
11 Posted 31/01/2018 at 19:16:28
Tosun needs consistent gametime to get settled and he's already being sat for Niasse, who's far better off the bench anyway?
12 Posted 31/01/2018 at 19:17:08
13 Posted 31/01/2018 at 19:17:19
14 Posted 31/01/2018 at 19:20:42
15 Posted 31/01/2018 at 19:25:20
16 Posted 31/01/2018 at 19:29:10
17 Posted 31/01/2018 at 19:33:10
Can Rooney and Sigi play together?
Are we ever going to put some faith in a striker we sign?
It might all turn out great but it feels like there's no plan. We're just throwing players onto the pitch and hoping for the best.
18 Posted 31/01/2018 at 19:33:12
19 Posted 31/01/2018 at 19:33:42
21 Posted 31/01/2018 at 19:37:38
22 Posted 31/01/2018 at 19:39:00
Garbutt should be at least on the bench as should Lookman.
Does anyone else think Allardyce has been told he's out at the end of the season and he's playing games, because this selection is bizarre?
23 Posted 31/01/2018 at 19:42:04
24 Posted 31/01/2018 at 19:42:06
25 Posted 31/01/2018 at 19:42:46
Is Seamus ready? New striker on bench... No sign of Lookman again.
26 Posted 31/01/2018 at 19:44:14
28 Posted 31/01/2018 at 19:53:47
29 Posted 31/01/2018 at 19:53:55
Other than that, as good a lineup as can be expected and finally the tosspot Schneiderlin is dropped. Still, would rather Baningime on bench in his stead but we can't have it all. Keane with it all to prove.
30 Posted 31/01/2018 at 19:59:58
31 Posted 31/01/2018 at 20:11:36
If Coleman wasn't ready to play he wouldn't be fucking selected - Seamus Coleman is no mug.
32 Posted 31/01/2018 at 20:11:47
33 Posted 31/01/2018 at 20:17:04
34 Posted 31/01/2018 at 20:39:12
Here's hoping he comes through unscathed. 2-0 to the good so far.
35 Posted 31/01/2018 at 20:41:35
Could be 4-0 to Everton at the interval.
What a difference it makes when the team's most talented players - Rooney, Sigurdsson and Walcott - all play well and in harmony, even though Rooney played the best defence-splitting ball for Leicester close to half time.
Very nice to see Seamus linking up so well with Theo already. Two very tidy finishes. Niasse showing he will never be top drawer, but still very game.
High pressing and closing down right on the edge of the visitor's penalty area is causing them problems and rewarding us.
And...many of the pre-match posts in this thread are looking a tad silly, doncha think..?
36 Posted 31/01/2018 at 20:42:43
Coleman and Theo linking up well.
37 Posted 31/01/2018 at 20:46:56
38 Posted 31/01/2018 at 20:49:27
Shame Niasse hasn't got his shooting boots on.I expect to see Tosun on in the second half and maybe Kenny replacing Seamus
But all going well at the moment. COYB
39 Posted 31/01/2018 at 20:52:57
40 Posted 31/01/2018 at 20:53:50
Broken bones are not the same as serious ligament injuries. The bones will be fully heeled and as strong as ever. The only concern with Coleman would be a serious lack of football and the potential of psychological damage. So far there have been no such issues and he has come in and inspired the entire team!
That was a very enjoyable half of football. The boys are hunting in packs and harassing the Leicester players every time they are in possession. It's been a joy to watch. Martina has also been very good and deserves some praise. Was it his tackle that led to the first goal?
Every player is getting the ball forward quickly, and more often than not, it's actually going to a teammate!!
Hopefully more of the same this half.
41 Posted 31/01/2018 at 21:02:18
It is entirely to do with risking further injury. Do I know more than the medical staff? No.
Can I think of many precedents for players recovering from serious injury starting a game with so little match practice? No
Can I think of precedents of re-occuring injury because our wise medical staff and management cleared players too early? Yes
42 Posted 31/01/2018 at 21:06:11
Coleman is and would say NO if he thought he wasn't ready.
Seamus Coleman is and has been stamping at the bit to get back on the pitch and I know that for a fact.
If he wasn't fit enough to play he wouldn't be on the fucking pitch, most likely won't play 90 mins given his time out.
44 Posted 31/01/2018 at 21:43:04
Great stuff! Coleman back!! Walcott MotM!!!
Up the fuckin' Blues!
45 Posted 31/01/2018 at 21:43:26
Leicester were gone by that stage, but the goal gave them a huge lift. Everton, so long without a win, tightened up and wobbled for 10-15 minutes, but saw the game out well in the end.
Lots of good performances. I think we can put to bed that Coleman is unlikely to return as fine a player as he was before his double fracture.
But for Theo's brace, Seamus was MotM.
46 Posted 31/01/2018 at 21:45:10
Get in, Seamu,s we've missed you and how good are you???
47 Posted 31/01/2018 at 21:50:15
Coleman was just fucking fantastic. Absolutely the best player on the pitch and an inspiration. It was a heroic display and his inclusion was fully justified. You can bet that was the happiest he has been in the last 10 months and clearly his leg is fully healed. Your post at 32 was way OTT. You were wrong and should just happily admit it.
Welcome back, Seamus. You are a fucking legend!
48 Posted 31/01/2018 at 21:50:20
Seamus magnificent, Theo absolute class. What a great transfer window - Walcott the signing of the month, Seamus the "like a new signing" of the month.
49 Posted 31/01/2018 at 21:50:32
But enough of that; Coleman showed what a top class attacking asset he is, and of course Walcott was also superb. Pace is devastating; maybe we should give Usain Bolt a trial after all.
50 Posted 31/01/2018 at 21:50:34
Why is a £27m striker on the bench.
He was bought to solve the striker shortage and warms the bench.
Will he start Saturday?
Tonight would have been a good game to show what he can do, but no, Allardyce replaces Niasse with Dom, priceless.
Lookman going nowhere 2 days ago. Can we believe anything Allardyce says???
52 Posted 31/01/2018 at 21:53:49
What do want, jam on it?
53 Posted 31/01/2018 at 21:54:08
You can't criticise the team selection when we played with such energy and commitment and won!!
54 Posted 31/01/2018 at 21:55:13
You need to calm down.
Your post is bordering on the offensive.
55 Posted 31/01/2018 at 21:58:26
You're both right, I'm going to sit in a dark room for 5 mins.
Joys of being an Evertonian...
56 Posted 31/01/2018 at 21:58:26
Coleman was absolutely immense on his return from that horrible injury and Walcott already looking like a bargain.
57 Posted 31/01/2018 at 22:00:39
Most pleasing parts were Walcott & Coleman link up and our high pressing.
58 Posted 31/01/2018 at 22:02:51
59 Posted 31/01/2018 at 22:02:53
60 Posted 31/01/2018 at 22:05:42
Seamus excelled considering it his first game back, surprised he left him on for ninety minutes, Niasse tried but should have been subbed earlier for Tosun.
We are only 34 points behind City now.
61 Posted 31/01/2018 at 22:08:09
A moment of madness from Rooney, what on earth was he thinking. Looking forward to MotD for the first time this season.
62 Posted 31/01/2018 at 22:08:43
Not how I roll, prefer to leave that to certain other TW blowhards. Like my good friend Oliver Molloy.
63 Posted 31/01/2018 at 22:09:15
64 Posted 31/01/2018 at 22:13:38
66 Posted 31/01/2018 at 22:14:27
Credit to the players, they did most of the things we've been missing from them for the past season or so. Pretty much every loose ball looked like it could be gathered up by a blue shirt. It's those types of things that add up to a winning team.
67 Posted 31/01/2018 at 22:18:20
Feared for Seamus, but it really was his night. He single-handedly put a grin on my face.
He was so good to watch, just energy and drive and effective, made Walcott look way better by just being there.
To Walcott's credit he played inside, similarly to Barkley at this time last year.
The pen was nonsense but Wayne was utterly stupid. The subs and change of tactics just invited them on and we were very very lucky. He took the two players off who could bring composure to a game slipping away from us.
They were ripe for the counter but failed to seize the moment.
I think the side had more legs and energy tonight, but just imagine if they'd scored?!
68 Posted 31/01/2018 at 22:20:32
How wrong can one person be?
69 Posted 31/01/2018 at 22:23:50
Up until Rooney's lack of pace caught him up and he stupidly gave a penalty away, we should have been 4 or 5 up.
That is the best we have played all season and although it's only 1 game it looks like Sam having had the last 10 days to work with the lads and Seamus return has paid huge dividends.
70 Posted 31/01/2018 at 22:25:55
Room for improvement yes, but I'll take it. COYB.
71 Posted 31/01/2018 at 22:26:06
Our future skipper brilliant on his comeback.
An added bonus was Martina didn't get the widely predicted ripping.
72 Posted 31/01/2018 at 22:29:08
I did hear on the grapevine earlier in the week they aren't too impressed by what they have been seeing from Tosun in training, but hey, let's just wait and see what develops over the coming games but it's strange playing big money for a striker only to bench him after three games?
Good win tonight though, much much better in the work ethic department!
73 Posted 31/01/2018 at 22:29:44
74 Posted 31/01/2018 at 22:31:22
75 Posted 31/01/2018 at 22:33:02
Love it when a plan comes together... now where's me cigar?
76 Posted 31/01/2018 at 22:34:45
77 Posted 31/01/2018 at 22:47:45
78 Posted 31/01/2018 at 22:48:01
Him and Walcott were outstanding in a game which, after a nervy first 15 minutes, we dominated.
We should have been 4 up at half-time and only the idiocy of Rooney giving that pen away spoilt the night. A far better display and a well deserved 3 points.
79 Posted 31/01/2018 at 22:49:36
80 Posted 31/01/2018 at 22:53:23
The way the players pressed in packs and forced mistakes was clearly a tactic they have been working on. Also, the players were moving it forward quickly. It was a display full of energy and Sam has clearly drilled the players. He deserves credit for tonight but we must see the same against Arsenal.
81 Posted 31/01/2018 at 22:56:30
82 Posted 31/01/2018 at 22:57:56
Coleman, wow. To play like that with so much energy, lack of fear and skill after 10 months or so out, I will say it again, wow! He'll be aching the morrow!
Walcott was excellent too, added composure and class not seen very often recently. 2 games, an assist and 2 goals!
As for Niasse, maybe I see things, rightly or wrongly, a bit different to other Evertonians. I thought he had a really good game tonight. The 'sitter' he missed came at him really quick, and for a change we had a striker in a dangerous position in the box offering an option. His control let him down for the his second 'sitter' of the night, a chance made purely by himself, his speed, energy and enthusiasm. He really is an outlet. He is a pain in the arse to the opposition defenders and keeper, chases so much and causes panic resulting in the opposition putting the ball out or losing possession. He won quite a few headers and you always felt he was a threat! He is an outlet!
I don't want to go through the whole team tonight, but that is the thing, we looked like a team. I was unsure with the line-up before the game, but it shows what I know. The much maligned Martina (unfairly maligned in my book) was excellent tonight too.
I actually enjoyed a game of football!!!!????!!!!
83 Posted 31/01/2018 at 22:58:51
Coleman was extraordinary, Walcott is a truly class act and got stuck in apart from his goals the threat from them together could be very considerable. I thought Gueye was outstanding and a word for Martina who played well and made a goal-saving clearance at a crucial time.
Oh and a word for the hoofball dinosaur criminal too, perhaps? Maybe not.
84 Posted 31/01/2018 at 22:59:09
I have admired and supported Seamus since he was at Sligo. He is a top man and a top player. His inclusion and performance tonight gave me huge enjoyment. To be honest, I was anxious for him but I trust the coaching team to do what is best for him.
85 Posted 31/01/2018 at 23:01:20
Obviously results will show if he is making the right moves but today was a move in the right direction against a talented Foxes side who started the first 20 minutes well.
Seamus was a big influence as was Keane early on whilst Niasse never stopped running although Walcott could have played closer to him for the long high balls.
Once they weathered the early pressure they got a reward for keeping their discipline and knocked Leicester out of their stride.
Going to be very difficult at the Emirates on Saturday but if they can win 3 or 4 more games including the RS game then perhaps the season won't have been a complete debacle of poor performances.
86 Posted 31/01/2018 at 23:09:21
87 Posted 31/01/2018 at 23:12:42
Not sure what Davies was supposed to be doing (nor did he) but couldn't understand why Rooney and Sigurdsson went off and Tom was kept on. Then we had to watch Schneiderlin and Williams come on to defend a score that hadn't looked in doubt until then.
Good result but we should have been 4 up before the penalty.
88 Posted 31/01/2018 at 23:13:21
I tell you who you should apologise to: Seamus Coleman, for insulting his intelligence on his decision to play tonight, and you could add the medical team as well.
And if you look up the word 'reckless' as you suggested you might find you eat your words with your silly comments!
Seamus Coleman will be our Captain soon.
89 Posted 31/01/2018 at 23:19:28
He brought Rooney off because he was Leicester's most dangerous player.
90 Posted 31/01/2018 at 23:27:11
Well done to SA and the team.
Excellent winning team selection (see earlier comments on this thread for how smart some people really are when it comes to EFC).
Sam's first transfer window yields a match-winning brace against a team above us in the league and PL champions the season before last.
Still, the glass half-empty, anti-SA, Victor Meldrew miseries will find something to whinge about.
Darren Hind, Steve Brown, Peter Gorman - where are you? Sulking somewhere because we won? Only sing when we're losing?
Get behind the Mighty Blues!!!
91 Posted 31/01/2018 at 23:27:46
And really do look up the meaning of 'reckless' (a comment btw, aimed at the club not the player before you get further outraged). You may even learn something.
Mike Hughes - care to explain that rather bizarre namedrop?
92 Posted 31/01/2018 at 23:31:14
93 Posted 31/01/2018 at 23:42:28
Well done to him.
94 Posted 31/01/2018 at 23:44:18
Wayne decent till his brain seizure, then hopeless. Tom and Siggy very poor.
And Pickford very worrying handling (though conditions were awful).
We were the better team and deserved the win. There was even some noise in the ground for the first time in weeks (months)?
95 Posted 31/01/2018 at 23:45:41
I don't think so!
96 Posted 31/01/2018 at 23:52:14
Seamus you say? I'll send him an invite next time I'm over
97 Posted 31/01/2018 at 23:53:30
I thought it was Everton's best performance of the season (maybe the only really good one) until Leicester got that stupid penalty and MotD didn't show what happened clearly, although the referee seemed to be telling Rooney what he had done.
At last, an attacking performance and one that merited a bigger and clearer margin. Keep it up Blues, just nine more points needed.
98 Posted 31/01/2018 at 23:53:49
I don't rate him, don't care for much for him but I will enjoy our victory and when he gets it right, like tonight, think well done, Sam. The time for humble pie is some way off.
99 Posted 31/01/2018 at 23:58:53
Rooney was frustrated after the penalty and maybe you're right, he needed to come off, but to say he was 'Leicester's most dangerous player' will not get much support from those who went to a waterlogged Goodison tonight.
100 Posted 31/01/2018 at 23:59:28
Allardyce has had 10 straight days to impose some sort of difference at Finch Farm before this evening and it shows with fairly good improvement. That said, there's lots more serious work required there to put a basis down for next season, but will Allardyce be bothered given the length of his contract?
If he isn't it points to further short-sightedness by whoever amongst Kenwright, Moshiri and Walsh is responsible for recruitment.
101 Posted 31/01/2018 at 00:04:34
There was a lot of good performances tonight Keane and Martina doing well, Gueye superb and Oumar gets chances every time he plays. The best was the two lads on the right, Walcott is a breath of fresh air with him always looking to get in the box. Bolasie should take a leaf out of his book when he plays next. What can you say about Seamus though an absolutely lung busting performance after 10 months out superb.
Seamus should take on the club captaincy for next season as this will probably be Jags last season. In one performance gives you hope from the dire stuff we've watched all season. Well done tonight our best team performance of the season, we have to produce more consistently between now and end of the season.
102 Posted 01/02/2018 at 00:06:02
You can shove that bollocks right up yer hoop.
103 Posted 31/01/2018 at 00:09:06
It was good to see a bit of character all round tonight. It's still a salvage job for this season but Seamus and Theo look very promising.
Glass half-full for me given the shambolic backdrop to what Allardyce inherited. I think we'll get a result against the Arse as well.
104 Posted 31/01/2018 at 00:14:34
105 Posted 01/02/2018 at 00:14:55
That suggests to me that i) the players want to play for the manager (a big doubt before tonight) and ii) there is a plan or model which Allardyce is trying to put into place and which can just be discerned in outline. A plan which will eventually have us playing fast, competitive and, yes, attractive football. The caricature of him presented by the majority on here is false.
I have no doubt there will be further setbacks, very possibly on Saturday, but I do hope that this manager is given a serious chance at our club. What some of us find difficult to accept is that he has been totally written off by many (not merely criticised for bad performances), and had been written off before he started. I repeat my view that he has a great deal to offer this club and that the mood should be supportive.
106 Posted 01/02/2018 at 00:15:37
Oumar could, should have at least 3.. could have been 6 -5. Its-a big game Saturday, but perhaps we can do the Gunners
Scary were time goes and our last away win at Highbury. Draws at the Emirates, and time to break the duck.
107 Posted 31/01/2018 at 00:16:30
Still say Niasse is better coming off the bench than starting a game, scuffed 2 great chances but hurried and made their defence panic at times.
A soon as the penalty went in we lost our flow and sheer panic set in for a while, probs got screams of wtf when Schnids and Williams came on but they steadied the ship and the panic eased off.
Still say Davies looks nothing like the player he was last season, time is on his side so not too worried just yet.
Overall I thought we played a lot better with more zip going forward than we have for a long time, but on tonight's evidence, we look good with Coleman and Walcott linking up nicely.
108 Posted 01/02/2018 at 00:19:47
109 Posted 01/02/2018 at 00:29:27
110 Posted 01/02/2018 at 00:30:01
I'm thrilled with a win, and was happy with the pressing and tempo in large spells. But surely everyone can see that it wasn't underpinned by any great plan? The selections and gameplan don't seem to have any relationship to past performances. We do things sometimes, then we ditch it and do something else.
Who is confident that the next selection will show any learnings from the game? Not me, I suspect it will just be a collection of players thrown on the pitch and then we hope for the best.
111 Posted 01/02/2018 at 00:39:58
112 Posted 01/02/2018 at 00:43:08
113 Posted 01/02/2018 at 00:51:03
Sam should, if he does nothing else give the captaincy to Seamus Coleman because he embodies what an Everton captain should be as he leads by example. If confidence spreads throughout the team in the coming weeks, we might just sneak a EL spot but for now the three points won against Leicester are most welcome.
114 Posted 01/02/2018 at 01:00:19
In between we did well, a more mobile team, that pressed well and played a higher tempo. Something that really helps the crowd get into it.
I believe the substitutions were the point which altered things. The defensive nature fed the anxiety in the team and crowd alike. Sam removed the two best passers when one would have sufficed. Leicester were already over extended and we had them on the break, yet Williams and Schniederlin offered us nothing other than sitting in.
We just booted the ball back to Leicester.
I was thankful to Davies pissboiling at the end pointing out 10 yards at the referee for almost 90seconds.
Again a free swing at a questionable Arsenal defence Saturday, will Sam get us to turn up?
115 Posted 01/02/2018 at 01:01:05
116 Posted 01/02/2018 at 01:06:24
Tosun was the victim of negative substitutions. Sigurdsson performed well and should be ahead of Rooney in position selection. Walcott, the advocate of playing higher up the pitch, benifited with two goals (well done!).
Same old inconsistent weaknesses very much present:- in losing and not maintaining possession and defensive organisation and some individual performances (I'm not looking forward to the Arsenal game).
Well, he has got the points tonight to fulfil his relegation promise and keep his contract and big wages going. Kept Moshiri's mooning smile going, as he thinks everything is going hunky dory.
117 Posted 01/02/2018 at 01:17:15
The difference just playing one defensive midfielder, holding for a central two with license to attack, instead of two defensive mids! Add that to a genuinely excellent looking right flank now with Coleman and Walcott. I think that was the biggest single difference, and why we looked so much more threatening.
Even Martina wasn't bad. Pressed for the tackle to make the first goal, saved a goalbound shot late on.
Niasse...I've never seen a player with so many good qualities combined with so many bad qualities, and nothing that's just "ok".
Last fifteen minutes after stupid Rooney foul were tense. I don't think it was the substitutions, though, so much as just a general lack of confidence. The team retreated into its shell immediately after it became 2-1, before any changes were made. Substitutions actually calmed it down a little (mainly for slowing things down, rather than for the personnel changes).
All in all, though, exciting match and I came out feeling pretty positive.
Oh...and I got a starring role on Match of the Day with a nice close up of me clapping Seamus before the game, while looking pensive. :D
118 Posted 01/02/2018 at 01:49:12
After all we have been through this season its great to feel great after a game. Its great not to have to read the endless deserved negativity about the team that wear OUR jerseys. One win doth not a winter make but this is one Evertonian that is going to bed to night hoping beyond hope that Sheamus' glorious comeback marks the beginning of our come back and the very beginning of the road to glory
119 Posted 01/02/2018 at 02:16:04
Count me in the camp that absolutely thought Fat Sam was out of his mo-fo mind starting Seamus!
The rationale is simple. He's been out for over a year, our medical staff would clear someone just let out of the intensive care unit if they thought they'd improve the squad (ask James "hammy" McCarthy), and I fucking adore Seamus Coleman and don't want him to be hurt by being "rushed back".
So there ya have it.
We played well. Leicester a bit unlucky as they hit a crossbar, and then later in the game a crossbar-post two banger. But we thoroughly deserved the 3 points.
Roll on Saturday.
Oh, and continuing my confession, I'd have never signed Theo Walcott. And I'm clearly no judge of talent because the kid based on tonight's game is an exceedingly good footballer.
120 Posted 01/02/2018 at 02:20:07
Coleman was superb and his link up play with Coleman was something we haven't seen since Baines/Pienar on the left. It almost made me forget that Allardyce is still our manager.
Despite an OK display Rooney must have had a brain freeze. He just cannot afford to do something that was ridiculous, to say the least. The last fifteen minutes were a complete turn around and we could have lost a game that we had sewn up.
121 Posted 01/02/2018 at 02:29:46
Great to see Seamus back, like many others I was surprised to see him start, even more surprised that it looked like he had never been away!
Looks like there's a bit of a partnership starting on our right with Seamus and Theo!
122 Posted 01/02/2018 at 03:08:57
Arsenal will be geed up with their new signings but having said that Swansea showed no fear, we should copy their attitude.
123 Posted 01/02/2018 at 03:27:07
Sam abandoned what you have been constantly apologising for and made your claims that we don't have the players to play look really daft.
Leaving Schneiderlin on the bench and introducing a little energy was a big factor tonight out. Lets hope that particular penny has finally dropped.
Play with tempo and energy and try to win and you have half a chance. Play with ten behind the ball and you will not win.
Being a lover of the beautiful game, I'm delighted that the thousands of football-loving Evertonians who have been calling for this, have been proved right.
I don't know where Peter Gorman and Steve Brown are, but I would bet five years of my life they are in a much happier place tonight than they have been for months.
Sam now needs to abandon idea's of trying to please the "glass half-full" brigade with his spoiling tactics and realise that he as a far better chance of winning over the overwhelming majority by being a bit braver.
When a ToffeeWeb matchday thread is quiet, it generally means all is well with the world. Chances are more people are celebrating. Try to enjoy the performance. Everyone else seems to be...
124 Posted 01/02/2018 at 04:11:21
It's crazy isn't it? We're told week after week that we can't try to play football, we have to be defensive and play for draws, even at home. Then he does what you and me and many others have been saying, bench Schneiderlin and play with a single holding midfielder. And what do you know, we are more dangerous and got 2 goals and a 3 points!!
125 Posted 01/02/2018 at 04:48:25
Can all the Sam knockers and haters please give it a rest for once and let us all enjoy what was a really good game, performance and essential win. Thanks!
126 Posted 01/02/2018 at 04:55:47
So he needs 10 days between matches, got it. Pretty sure that had nothing to do with finally dropping Schneiderlin after we all watched him stink the place up for the entire season. Does Sam not have a DVR, not watching the previous matches?
We're hapoy with the result. Happy we didn't line up with Gana and Schneiderlin in the middle. Happy that we didn't set up to just defend. It's all we've been asking for, to go out to try to win!
127 Posted 01/02/2018 at 05:09:54
Well I'm glad to say the manager got his team selection and tactics absolutely right tonight because for me that was our best performance since we beat City 4-0 last season.
All I'm asking is that we stop the nitpicking criticism of the manager at least until the end of the season.
At least we can enjoy the moment.
128 Posted 01/02/2018 at 05:23:12
The funny thing is neither Darren or myself were nitpicking the manager in our posts. We were actually calling out the fact that some people on here insisted we could not set a team out to go for the win. To quote Darren:
“Sam Abandoned what you have been constantly apologising for and made your claims that we don't have the players to play look really daft.â€
The people calling for us to stop being so defensive haven't been calling for Gilfy to be dropped. It's actually been calls to put him in the middle. But hell, he did well as part of that front 3 tonight on the left but with a bit of a free role, so we'll done. Absolutely helps having somebody with quality on the right, no doubt about that.
So let's all just agree that we can and should send the team out to win. And that there is no reason to start Schneiderlin alongside Gana.
129 Posted 01/02/2018 at 06:12:12
A flatlining season suddenly had a few blips in it.
I love the Walcott/Coleman combo down the right. I love that Walcott switched to the left now and again, kept them guessing. Niasse was a fucking machine up front and even though he may not have the quality needed, he certainly has the heart and the legs.
Now we have a basis to work from.
Onwards and upwards.
130 Posted 01/02/2018 at 06:36:04
131 Posted 01/02/2018 at 06:39:30
Was it an epiphany, or just a bit of time on the training ground? Either way, proof that this team can attack, especially when Seamus, surely our real captain, is back.
I enjoyed seeing us attack and win.
132 Posted 01/02/2018 at 06:49:25
I finally conceded defeat at 55 when my pre season beep tests fell short of my stiffest expectations.
Still at 59 I dream that if I had played for Everton I would have been Seamus Coleman.
A one man advert for what it really means to be a blue
133 Posted 01/02/2018 at 08:03:51
Great combination with Coleman and Theo . Sam deserves great credit getting Theo to sign .
Sam and the coaching team see all the players and have all the stats in training - they have good reason to pick Seamus from the off and it was the right decision from all aspects.
Good team selection Sam!
134 Posted 01/02/2018 at 08:17:51
Talking of formation, David (#128). Did we play a front 3?
135 Posted 01/02/2018 at 08:47:15
136 Posted 01/02/2018 at 08:51:33
Once again you are talking rubbish but I realise it is your default position as a perennial glass half full, know-all whiner.
To correct you, I have never been an apologist for anything, certainly not for any single manager or “philosophyâ€.
My position was to give Sam Allardyce a chance as the EFC manager. End of story. Try getting behind the Mighty Blues. You might enjoy it.
Comprende? (Probably not... LOL).
I'll be back on here after the next match.
137 Posted 01/02/2018 at 08:58:49
The reason (I believe) we kept Keane is that other than one stray pass the lad had a very good game and has the potential to have more like it.
In particular (and I said to the lad next to me at the time) Keane played a ball through a couple of Leicester players to Gana (I think) which nobody in that position would have dared play as recently as last week. It would have been, and I fully expected it to be, a sideways or backward pass but he passed it through two Leicester midfielders and gained about fifteen yards and allowed Gana (I think) to turn and then we were well into their half and looking to go forward.
Have we been doing it for most of this season? No.
Why not? In my opinion, confidence, pure and simple!
There were times when that confidence wavered last night but it was a great win and one I readily admit I didn't see happening before the game.
138 Posted 01/02/2018 at 09:58:18
Mind you, even with hindsight I'll stand by my comments. There is absolutely no plan to anything we do.
No plan to managerial appointments, transfers, team selection, or gameplan. We lurch from one thing to the next. Some work, some don't. Doesn't matter, we'll lurch into something else next time.
I could handle our position and general performance level if I could see that we were aiming at something. I don't think we're aiming at anything.
So, yes, thrilled with the win as I always will be. But you don't judge anyone on 90 minutes. The problems haven't gone away - we just had one of the peaks that will inevitably accompany a series of troughs.
139 Posted 01/02/2018 at 10:06:31
In future I am just reading the article and not bothering with comments from experts who are only on here before they are taken on as advisors to Barcelona or Real Madrid.
Well done, everyone connected with my club last night, best performance of the season and safe now to prepare for next season.
140 Posted 01/02/2018 at 10:09:46
141 Posted 01/02/2018 at 11:27:15
So the defeatist worst case scenario comments by many a poster before a ball was kicked were legitimate and anyone highlighting the folly of them can only do so with the benefit of hindsight?
As opposed to people like yourself whose explicit pre-match declarations and precognitive powers proved way wide of the mark.
Right. Got it.
142 Posted 01/02/2018 at 11:49:49
That's how it works. I'll give you an example; not making any comment prior to the game, posting at halftime that the pre-game predictions are silly = hindsight.
143 Posted 01/02/2018 at 11:58:47
144 Posted 01/02/2018 at 12:02:39
Although the performance was good with a valuable three points, I'm not getting my expectations raised. I might do that after a trend of decent results is established.
145 Posted 01/02/2018 at 12:31:14
My fear before the game come to fruition. Rooney playing in Davies's role, Davies playing in an advanced role, which Davies is clearly uncomfortable with.
Siggy and Tom, two square pegs in round holes why? To keep Rooney in the side.
146 Posted 01/02/2018 at 12:31:20
There is a fundamental difference in, for example, the concerns you and others expressed about playing Coleman from the start, and the negative defeatist predictions as to how the game would play out, dripping with rancid vitriol.
It was a legitimate observation some made about Coleman and I thought Oliver Molloy unnecessarily worked himself up into a right lather with you over it last night.
But that wasn't what I (and others) were calling out about some pre-match posts.
The irony is that Sam Allardyce is accused of being a meek surrender monkey, playing for draws rather than wins, but many an early poster had conceded the game before a ball was even kicked.
The team was not just thrown together and told to get on with it without a plan (as Ernie is claiming). There was a very clear strategy in place last night for anyone with the wit to see it, which worked very well.
Leicester were in fine form. They had not lost or even conceded a PL goal in January before last night. We twatted them. 2-1 flattered them. Their only shot on target was Vardy's Rooney-gifted penalty. We now have a shout at overhauling both them and Burnley in the league.
No hindsight or precognitive powers claimed or required.
147 Posted 01/02/2018 at 13:20:27
148 Posted 01/02/2018 at 13:50:51
I hope to god you are right about him.
149 Posted 01/02/2018 at 14:41:50
Regardless of the circumstances prior to any match, for me hope springs eternal.
150 Posted 01/02/2018 at 14:54:40
The thousands of empty seats didn't materialize... despite expectations that the Goodison faithful would react to the dreadful fayre they were being forced to watch. A significant number obviously didn't get Darren's message that they should be staying home!
151 Posted 01/02/2018 at 15:39:15
A "foolish gamble of a desperate man"?!? Let's think for a moment about that. So soon so soon?!?! It's been TEN MONTHS. Did you really think, Peter, that the medical and coaching staff would not have monitored with extreme care and caution every step of Coleman's recovery for the past THREE HUNDRED-ODD DAYS??? A foolish gamble, Neil?? Really???
And that they may have actually had good reason to be fully confident that he would do exactly as he did coming back and playing a full game?? Honestly, there's justifiable fear... but I think this goes well beyond.
152 Posted 01/02/2018 at 15:42:55
I'm glad I went as they all did quite well. I see some of the haters are still peddling their wares but I suppose that will never change until Allardyce leaves and someone else comes in to hate.
I didn't know the team until just before the game and like many was surprised by Coleman starting. I thought he might come off the bench if possible last 20 minutes or so. But hey what do we know. The manager and staff see him every day. They were happy and so was he and we all got a treat to a great display from him.
Once the penalty went in we showed we are still "fragile" defensively when under pressure, hopefully Mangala starts at Arsenal and shores up that left side.
I thought the substitutions were spot on. Though I was hoping Schneiderlin would have been shown the door during the window I must admit he and Williams settled things down a bit.
A guy near us started screaming from kick off how shit we are and all that hoofball nonsense, halfway through the second half when he slagged a "hoofball" clearance it was pointed out it was Coleman who made it, well it shut the arsehole up for the rest of the game thankfully.
Some people are only happy when they're moaning and hating. No doubt they'll be waiting excitedly for Saturday night to continue their told you so's
153 Posted 01/02/2018 at 15:55:16
I was / am very happy with the result and like you thought we deserved to win by a bigger margin, but I have to agree with Ernie, that for the first 20 minutes or so, there didn't seem to be any recognisable plan. As you said yourself, in an earlier post, we could have been 2-0 after the first 10 minutes.
After we got the first goal, you could see the confidence pour into us and drain out of Leicester. We didn't appear to be in any sort of trouble until the penalty fiasco, then the panic started until the subs were made and we got ourselves together again.
Why Rooney was kept on after the 70-minute mark was a question I bet many were asking, he was well gone. I am amazed at the favourable way he is treated by the media, still a handicap to Everton the further he comes back on the pitch.
154 Posted 01/02/2018 at 15:56:31
155 Posted 01/02/2018 at 16:00:08
Then Seamus goes out there and is probably one of the best players on the park, and plays the full 90!
Everyone's an expert, the club knows nothing.
157 Posted 01/02/2018 at 17:13:00
I don't want to go on like a broken record Michael, so I'll try to be brief and make this my last post on the matter.
Jamie Crowley sums up the sentiment pretty well in post 119.
Personally, I was less concerned with Coleman having his leg snapped than incurring another injury due to lack of match practice which happens. Has happened in my own experience in fact. Our club has form for 'rushing' players like this as do others.
I called the decision reckless because that was and still is how I see it; reckless as in, paying no regard to the danger or ignoring the risk. A mere opinion, which is totally irrelevant to Coleman's fantastic performance or the end result. Unless anyone cares to argue there is no risk of injury in a league as robust as the Prem, be my guest.
I thought it unfair to ask a player like Coleman to peform at personal risk of injury hence described it a lack of duty of care. I don't want to see our best player further sidelined because he is not the type to turn down the team. Like a good boxer, sometimes players need protection from themselves.
I was a bit perplexed that some found this so controversial but many a post on TW seems to be a response to something not actually written or conceived.
Now regardless, I am off to catch some match highlights. All the best.
158 Posted 01/02/2018 at 17:35:03
159 Posted 01/02/2018 at 17:40:22
160 Posted 01/02/2018 at 18:36:29
Say what you want about Ferguson, he bullied top names. Maybe not enough but enough evidence to make this claim. It's no coincidence Coleman has missed the last 5 derbies at Anfield.
161 Posted 01/02/2018 at 18:40:46
Goodison must be really hard for a player to settle in. Where is the support? Listen to Swansea and Palace fans. 2-1 up whining and booing at subs. Get a grip.
When our support is good, you can't separate it from the best. Let's hear some fight and support from the stands.
162 Posted 01/02/2018 at 18:52:47
It's all about opinion you know.
163 Posted 01/02/2018 at 19:11:30
I was there last night and what you describe is miles away from what I experienced, I suppose it all depends on what part of the ground you are in.
164 Posted 01/02/2018 at 19:49:53
I did NOT send a message. I simply stated I would not be surprised if there was a couple of thousand empty seats due to the poor fayre that has been served up (after praising the faithful for their wonderful loyalty).
Anyone who wants to question how many empty seats there was need only subtract last nights attendance from capacity. Anyone disputing a fall need only compare last nights attendance to the previous game.
A break in fixtures to sharpen the appetite. Two new signings, The return of Seamus, The away team taking up their allocation. A reported lengthy waiting list for Season tickets are all reasons to hope for an increase or at least a match on the last attendance.
And for further clarity...I would hardly suggest others should stay away from a game I attended myself.
At the end of the day who really cares whether I was right, wrong, partially right or even partially wrong?
You have apologised/ praised and accepted the performances.
Last time you came on calling others out was after the Swansea game when you were telling us how "The deaf could hear and the blind could see" and how we would all worship Sam and his "Beautiful best ever start"...but those nasty people who criticised BS didn't seem to listen did they mate. They wanted more for our club and still called it as they saw it pug ugly anti football.
Now after all those games where a shot on target was so rare, that when one did materialise the crowd made mocking ironic cheers. You are back, Not to celebrate, but to turn a pleasant thread by calling out people who had rightly criticised the dross that had gone before. Unlike the rest of us you seemed unable to simply enjoy the win.
If this thread has turned into a bun fight its because some people have actively sought to make it so.
After one of those humiliations between your attempted gloats Sam openly declared we would become more boring.
So here's a little question for you; What do you suppose steered Sam away from his threat?
Was it A) Your unstinting support and criticism of other fans when they railed against his crime against football?
Or B) The crescendo of Boo's which would have been ringing in his ears for days after the West Brom game as thousands of football lovers left him in no doubt that they were not prepared to take anymore of the cowardly shite people like you have been letting him get away with.
"And lo the masses spoke" ... "And the infidel relented!"
165 Posted 01/02/2018 at 19:57:39
300 down on seasons average crowd.
On a night with a monsoon forecast.
166 Posted 01/02/2018 at 19:59:50
Monsoons... In Walton
167 Posted 01/02/2018 at 20:00:07
I think it is more a case of him having 10 days with the squad to get some enthusiasm and motivation into the players.
The noticeable thing for me last night was the movement off the ball â€“ something we haven't seen in a long time from the team.
Whether you put that down to Walcott's and Seamus's enthusiasm rubbing off or using only one defensive midfielder, or whether you give the manager credit for putting a rocket up the players arses, doesn't matter to me.
What matters is that we saw the best performance in a long time from a bunch of players we had written off â€“ and long may it continue.
168 Posted 01/02/2018 at 20:00:40
"...for the first twenty minutes or so there didn't seem to be any recognisable plan, and as you said yourself, in an earlier post, we could have been 2-0 [down] after the first ten minutes." (or 4-0 up, to complete the reference you made to my half time post).
There is a difference Dave between being slow out of the traps (a common theme by Everton this season, whoever the manager has been) and the claim the team had no plan. You are also too generous to Leicester in implying they dominated us for 20 minutes at the start.
They had 2 good chances in the opening 5 minutes. Thereafter, we settled. We had already had them at 6s and 7s, pressing high, forcing them to cough up the ball around their penalty area, before we scored. It was a plan that was rewarded with 2 goals (and it could have been more) before half time.
They weren't laying a glove on us until Rooney gifted them the penalty. Incidentally, the only shot on target the visitors had all game.
Our frailty in confidence is still there for all to see, demonstrated by how the team played for 10 minutes following their penalty. A more confident side would have shrugged it off and carried on playing as they had been.
The substitutions of Schneiderlin and Calvert-Lewin for Sigurdsson and Rooney might have come a tad earlier. They were not out and out defensive moves as some try to portray it as we retained two central attackers and the considerable threat of Walcott.
A case could have been made to sub out Davies rather than Sigurdsson, but possibly Sam had one eye on the Arsenal game at the weekend. The Williams substitution for Niasse was so close to the end as to make no difference, but some in this thread post about it as if it came 20 minutes from the final whistle rather than the 2 minutes it actually was.
And as I keep telling you, Dave â€“ and I'm genuinely surprised at someone of your vintage and knowledge of Everton and, as a betting man, someone able to read 'form' â€“ we were not and are not in danger of relegation.
Stop looking at Everton in isolation. Check on the form of other teams. Look at the remaining fixtures of ALL the clubs below us: the majority of ALL their fixtures are against other clubs below us.
Conclusion: all will drop points against each other, making the task of overhauling Everton as you and others fear an even more unlikely one.
I'm still anticipating teams with as few as 35-37 points this season will avoid the drop, let alone the mythical 40 points worriers hanker for. And 7th is not beyond Everton, rather than worry about finishing 18th, 19th or 20th.
169 Posted 01/02/2018 at 20:02:29
170 Posted 01/02/2018 at 20:04:24
A large black cloud persistently follows one particular inhabitant ðŸ˜
171 Posted 01/02/2018 at 20:06:24
I still think we are better served with Niasse coming off the bench but got to love his sheer tenacity. I would like to see Cenk start against Arsenal and keep the rest of the team the same.
Hopefully, Mangala will provide some much needed left hand cover, but I would have him on the bench to start with.
I thought the game was really enjoyable and probably our best all round performance of the season to date. As Darren highlights above I sincerely hope Sam has learned the lesson that we expect an Everton team to play half decent football and he continues with the more positive approach.
172 Posted 01/02/2018 at 20:23:33
173 Posted 01/02/2018 at 20:55:05
I know. It has turned into a completion for experts to prove they know better than each other and a lifelong professional at the top level rather than a genuine debate about the welfare of the club.
174 Posted 01/02/2018 at 21:08:39
Seamus was unbelievably good showing fitness, commitment and an absolute determination to win and last the whole game.
Martina had an excellent game as did Keane and Walcott.
Rooney continues to concern me â€“ capable of delivering a brilliant pass but he has a propensity to pass straight to the opposition when not under much pressure which I find curious in a player of his experience and ability. At the moment he may just about be worth his place but he is someone who we need to replace if we are to develop the team. It's sad to see how his game has deteriorated.
I thought Sam did a good job last night and it will be interesting to see if we can turn in a good performance on Saturday.
175 Posted 01/02/2018 at 21:26:48
Jay Harris spot on. There is actually a lot of people above fan level and some very good footballers that really rate Allardyce.
If we were signing a player today and had the same views as they have about Allardyce they would say the professionals know better.
176 Posted 01/02/2018 at 21:35:03
As for all the stats you produce Jay, it hearten me that you think we have no chance of going down, then I see them perform and believe my own eyes,
After the cup game versus Liverpool I was encouraged by that performance and of course last nights game has confirmed that belief we will be completely out of trouble earlier than I thought, but Jay this is Everton and the few minutes after the penalty showed how frail and all over the place we become in a matter of minutes.
However you might be glad to know I have stopped lighting candles to preserve our premier league status: saving a few bob there!!!!!!
177 Posted 01/02/2018 at 21:41:28
He's been out for over a year. — No, sorry, fake news. He was injured in March 2017. He plays again in January 2018. So under a year. I know Jamie is a yank, but really, that's not a valid excuse for spouting such an egregious "alternative fact".
Continuing... "Our medical staff would clear someone just let out of the intensive care unit" — for gawd's sake, what utter hyperbolic nonsense. Listen to yourself!
I don't want him to be hurt by being "rushed back". — He's not being "rushed back", FFS. He's been in recovery for TEN MONTHS!!!
He's now fit and able to play a full Premier League game. Accept you are both wrong and stop talking utter and complete nonsense!!!
178 Posted 01/02/2018 at 21:52:52
"you might be glad to know I have stopped lighting candles to preserve our premier league status: saving a few bob there!!!!!!"
And there's me thinking you were a well-to-do with electricity in your house, Dave... ;-)
179 Posted 01/02/2018 at 22:05:14
180 Posted 01/02/2018 at 22:10:06
181 Posted 01/02/2018 at 22:16:27
If you don't get that the point, is entirely to do with the risk of exposure to the Premier League without match fitness, I can't say any more.
182 Posted 01/02/2018 at 22:25:42
Not in the lekky metre, mind!
183 Posted 01/02/2018 at 22:47:02
There is a major difference between breaking a leg and hamstrings, ligaments injuries regards rehab etc etc.
Both of you obviously know better than the player himself, our medical team AND the surgeon who carried out the operation on Seamus who has been closely involved in the player's recovery.
Seamus Coleman wanted to play against Liverpool in the cup but was told no way that's how ready Seamus Coleman is, that's showed a duty of care from the club. I wouldn't be surprised if Coleman doesn't play against Arsenal and wouldn't be surprised if he does.
Last night was the perfect game to introduce Coleman back into the team and if you two can not see that I would like to know when the fuck would you put Seamus back in the team.
He could have broke his leg again last night, that's football!
184 Posted 02/02/2018 at 05:35:42
"What matters is we saw the best performances in a long time from a bunch of players we had written off."
WE??? What you really mean Jay is YOU had written them off.
You and a few others have bought into Allardyce's claims that we are not good enough to play any other way than the cowardly negative manner he has made a living from. You have adopted this truly bizarre stand point where, in order to defend one truly awful manager, you will write off a whole squad of international players... and anyone who doesn't follow suit is "negative" and should really spend time "getting behind the team" â€“ A team full of players you so readily and regularly write off... Do you see an irony ?
I don't care how thick-skinned Allardyce is. He knows which side of his bread is buttered. A few more reactions like the one after the West Brom game would virtually guarantee he won't be here next season... and he knows it.
So it would appear you people who have repeatedly berated fans for not accepting the worst football being played anywhere in the country are now in a bit of a corner... and Sam's in there with you. The players you have consistently written off have just outplayed a team many regard as the best of the rest. Your claims have been laid bare.
The best thing about Wednesday's performance is, that this pathetic excuse can never be used again
I would love to have heard Big Sam's advice to Seamus before the game.
Big Sam â€“ "Listen Seamus, We don't do this swashbuckling stuff with full backs imposing their will on the opposition anymore. We like to get everyone behind the ball because we are not good enough to attack. Just sit tight and give nothing away."
Seamus â€“ "Step aside, fat boy, this is a team, a group, one body and you're about to find out who is the bollocks."
185 Posted 02/02/2018 at 05:50:44
99% of Evertonians have not and will not ever meet Allardyce... They couldn't possible hate him. However, those who love the beautiful game are perfectly entitled to hate his approach to it...
186 Posted 02/02/2018 at 09:22:09
187 Posted 02/02/2018 at 15:15:10
Have you seen the direct quotes from Seamus?
“I found out a couple of days ago from the manager [that I was starting]. I had been preparing for that moment for the last 10 months. The manager said at half-time to give them a nod when I started to fatigue, but I just told him there was no way I was going to get tired.
“He told me to use my head and be sensible but I'd been waiting 10 months so there was no chance I was going to tire - although I did blow up a little bit at the end!"
Makes your original statement that the manager was "reckless bordering on a complete failure of duty of care" a little ill-informed doesn't it?
188 Posted 02/02/2018 at 15:28:38
You are entitled to disagree by all means, but my opinion is only informed by precedents and personal experience. I don't know quite at what point it became so personal with you.
189 Posted 02/02/2018 at 15:34:25
I, as well as thousands of others, have been delighted with Coleman's performance but I am not hell bent enough to say it won us the game. It was a big help, along with Allardyce's signing, Walcott being lethal in front of goal.
What won us the game effectively was Martina clearing off the line at 2-1. The luck before that of Ihenacho hitting the woodwork.
To suggest as Darren Hind does that this was some spiritual effort from Coleman to go beyond Allardyce's methods is like hearing a WWF commentator. It's so contradictive too.
The approach without Coleman will always be different. If you think Allardyce will be putting checks on Coleman's game to not go beyond a defence, I think you'll be badly mistaken. But when it doesn't happen, you will suggest Coleman is ignoring him anyway.
190 Posted 02/02/2018 at 15:51:10
191 Posted 02/02/2018 at 15:53:02
192 Posted 02/02/2018 at 15:57:50
I don't think there had been any sharpening of appetites in the 10 days since our previous home game; quite the opposite I would suggest. And Leicester did not take up the full away allocation the Upper Bullens was sold to home support.
194 Posted 02/02/2018 at 16:57:00
At no time did I state Coleman won us the game, never even come close to suggesting it. I said that the players proved all those really negative people who have insisted all season that they couldn't play, completely wrong.
I also said Allardyce's excuse for the tripe we have churned out has been knocked out of the park.
When I put up a make-believe conversation between Sam and Seamus, I assumed nobody would actually think the conversation took place. I certainly didn't expect to have to explain that
It was a piss-take to illustrate the huge conflict between Seamus's swashbuckling style and Sam's vow to make us even more boring.
I know we rode our luck with the woodwork being struck 2-3 times, but we too could have scored a few more. It was much more my type of game. I was actually pleased with the performance and the result. but it would appear some can't get their heads around the fact that people don't stop loving the club simply because they don't rate the manager.
195 Posted 02/02/2018 at 17:01:17
I couldn't imagine Coleman in a parked bus formation against 14 teams in the league away and I can't imagine him sat back against most teams at home. He will be pegged back by quality opposition in a few games, like he has been under every other manager including Ireland's.
That to me makes it no different to any other game plan. But that is also me assuming. Maybe he will be bombing past Bellerin and Bailly next season and Allardyce is then guilty of being too naive.
To me, its just give the man a chance. I have always liked his football analysis and like every other manager that arrives here I keep an open mind due to the personnel they have and also what they have done in the past.
When I summarised Allardyce coming here I decided for my view that he has gained great results with players you wouldn't dream of having at Everton. He turned Bolton from a little FA Cup team to a team with a lot of quality.
The football he likes is direct. Mindset fans call it hoofball. I would look at the averages before I made that call. How many of our goals since he arrived have come from hoofball? If hoofball is smashing the ball from your own half in defence. Great.
196 Posted 02/02/2018 at 17:20:46
Well to me, you can't win every game with poor players and the most obvious phase of this debate is Allardyce didn't have Coleman an Walcott together in these games so his excuse is bang-on true.
197 Posted 02/02/2018 at 17:34:16
How about admitting that most of the other players played well and Sam now looks a mug for claiming they couldn't play?
What Sam didn't have, was Schneiderlin on the pitch after picking him repeatedly throughout the dreadful run when we could barely get a shot on target.
The penny finally dropped... so was Morgan, and suddenly there was energy and tempo.
Sam finally dropped the disinterested fella and suddenly there was light. Weird that.
199 Posted 02/02/2018 at 17:53:55
Poor players put more effort in which has been demanded and we scraped a win.
200 Posted 02/02/2018 at 18:49:44
He correctly pointed out Sam hadn't had the benefit of Coleman and Walcott in the side together.
201 Posted 03/02/2018 at 02:43:37
202 Posted 03/02/2018 at 03:10:20
It goes beyond 90 minutes.
Maybe the whole season was setup to lull Leicester into a false sense of security and then suddenly play a pressing game and emerge with a glorious 2-1 home win? Quite a masterplan that one.
Or maybe we'll just continue to lurch from one setup to the next. Different selections, different tactics.
My money is on the latter. I'm bold enough to make that prediction based on what I can see happening in front of me. Our club is completely directionless. A total shambles.
Or I could just come online after every game and take potshots at fellow fans. Every time we lose I'll criticise anyone who was positive before the game and say how obvious it was that the selection was wrong. When we win I'll take on the whingers who just don't have the footballing knowledge to understand that the selection was clearly going to work.
That'll make me feel important, won't it Jay?
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