The clear-out: easier said than done

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It has been mentioned many a time this season how our squad is unbalanced, poor in quality and in need of a complete rebuild.

This however is easier said than done, a complete clear-out can have many a negative impact: need to sign too many players can lead to complacency and buying whoever is available, unbalanced squads with no chemistry, being over-charged as people know were desperate, failure to fill certain positions. It also has the problem of actually selling our current players,many on big contracts that few teams will be willing to match.

So in our current squad, including loans and youth near the first team:

Pickford, Roubles, Stekelenberg

Baines, Coleman, Martina, Holgate, Williams, Jagielka, Mori, Keane, Foulds, Kenny, Robinson, Galloway, Pennington

Gueye, Schneiderlin, Davies, Besic, McCarthey, Baningime, Williams, Bowler

Rooney, Sigurdsson, Klassen, Vlasic, Dowell, Grant

Tosun, Lewin, Lookman, Bolasie, Walcott, Sandro, Mirallas, Niasse, Henry.

The scary things when looking at the squad liat, minus Walcott, Pickford,Coleman and maybe Sigurdsson, the case could be made for any of the above to be sold off and there woud be little grief. Tosun and Gueye may well be considered worth keeping, while youth like Baningime, Davies, Lookman, Kenny, Holgate, Lewin, and Dowell have probably done enough to get a chance. The rest however, dispensable (some other young lads like Vlasic, Henry, Grant also may deserve a chance as they have yet to be given one, neither here nor elsewhere)

So that leaves by my count 18 dispensible first team squad members. 18 is a lot of players, so who to keep and who to let go? And how many is too many?

Roubles: probably wants to go.
Stek: just a disaster waiting to happen, has to go.

That leaves us needing 2 back-up keepers.

Williams: not good enough, time to go.
Baines: needs to be phased out, but worth a place in squad.
Jags: worth keeping one more season.
Martina: just not very good.
Mori: never really a PL player, probably thrive on the continant, one player we may actually get decent money for.
Keane: not good enough, but worth keeping, could improve.
Galloway: never lived up to his promise. Championship/league 1 beckons.
Pennington: not PL standard.

That means 5 defenders moved on, with at least 3 (2 cb and 1 lwb) needed. Total: 7 out, 5 in.

Schneiderlin: public enemy no1 for much of this season. Just awful form for a talented player. Sell while still has value.
McCarthey: crocked. Sell.
Besic: let boro keep him, not good enough for what we want.

That is 3 out, but with Gueye, Baningime, and Davies, no need to sign a repacment for all. Maybe one in. Total 10 out, 6 in.

Rooney: too big a wage, too big an influence, not good enough. USA beckons.
Klassen: live in hope? Maybe a new manager will utilize, maybe not.
Vlasic: worth keeping. Got potential.

2 sold, with hopefully 1 top quality replacement. Total 12 out, 7 in.

Sandro: back to spain. Hopefully make a small profit.
Niasse: we all like you, but sorry, got to go.
Bolasie: difficult due to wages and we wont want to make a huge loss. A season on the bench beckons.
Mirrallas: gone and forgotton.

3 out, and need to sign at least 1 top quality, fast, direct and effective forward.

Total 15 out, 8 in.

A big ask, but doable, and should balance the squad somewhat.

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Andy Crooks
1 Posted 09/05/2018 at 21:37:33
Ten out six in is mad, Fran. We need one out and that is Allardyce. Then we need a coach who can get good players, who are are shot of confidence having been underminded by Allardyce, to reach their potential.

I would suggest little change. A back up goalkeeper for sure. Williams and Rooney gone, our loanees back and two quality signings. A massive turnover of players would mean starting again. Allardyce out, that will do. Also who is going to take these contracted players? For example, Sell MCarthy because he is crocked, sell him to who?

Damian Wilde
2 Posted 09/05/2018 at 23:29:52
Spot on, Fran. Are you mad Andy. You think Bolasie and Baines will save us? Buy two players? #deluded
Kunal Desai
3 Posted 09/05/2018 at 23:41:46
I don't think we'll see wholesale changes in the playing squad. I expect possibly from the first team Schneiderlin, Williams and Rooney to leave.
Incomings would be a new LB to challenge Baines, a CB to replace Williams, a creative CM and maybe another striker of better quality to replace Niasse.
I think this summer the real clearout should be away from the playing field. There needs to be a mass overhaul at the top. This would constitute a summer of change for all the right reasons and one which is more important than the merry go round of players.
Andy Crooks
4 Posted 09/05/2018 at 23:49:18
Damian, I think Bolasie is utter shite but who is going to buy him? Also, wholesale change doesn't work unless it is done Abramovich style. We have some good players who when coached properly will be very good.

You are talking about people here, Damian, not a computer game with players you can fuck off at a whim. Do you actually believe that half the squad can be booted out, replaced and all will be well? Delude? Yeah, you are.

Ajay Gopal
5 Posted 10/05/2018 at 09:55:24
15 out, 8 in is a huge turnaround of players. I have the following list of outs:

Robles
Martina
Williams
Schneiderlin
Klaassen
Besic
Funes-Mori
Mirallas
Bolasie
(If Rooney leaves, I expect either of Klaassen/Besic to stay)

So, 8/9 out.

Ins would be:
A back-up keeper (on loan?)
A left back (Shaw/Tierney/etc)
A centre back (Mawson, I would like)
A mid-field player (Wilshere/Madisson)
A forward (break-the-bank type player like Zaha)

So, 4/5 in.

The squad for the new season:

GK: Pickford, Stek, New GK
LB: Baines, New (Shaw)
CB: Keane, Jags, Holgate, New (Mawson), Pennington
RB: Coleman, Kenny
Midfield: Siggy, Gueye, McCarthy, Baningime, Davies, Vlasic, NewFella
Forwards: Lookman, Rooney, New (Zaha), Walcott, Tosun, Calvert-Lewin, Niasse

This starting XI under a good manager would be pretty decent:

Pickford
Coleman Keane Mawson Shaw
Gueye Siggy Wilshere
Zaha Walcott Lookman

Derek Thomas
6 Posted 10/05/2018 at 10:38:02
9 out, 4 in; next season 4 out, 2 in. Bearing in mind its easier to get rid than to buy well.
Steavey Buckley
7 Posted 10/05/2018 at 12:33:44
When a club keeps changing managers they inevitably collect players in the same way a person can collect stamps. If Everton don't sought out the squad now, they will find themselves collecting more players with a bigger wage bill to pay out next season leaving Everton in a very unhealthy financial position.
Phil Walling
8 Posted 10/05/2018 at 13:36:03
And do you know, I would keep Big Sam in the job just to clear the mess up. !

His diagnosis was not much removed from that of Fran in the piece above although 'Teardrops' Kenwright had to deny we needed a clear out.

With almost as many players fit only to go as to stay, I reckon Sam's our man. None of these softie foreigner managers will be up for it so let the big man earn his inflated salary whilst clearing the decks for us !

Desperate times .

Danny Broderick
9 Posted 10/05/2018 at 13:39:15
3 or 4 players would transform this team and squad, there's no way we need 8 players, and no way bringing in 8 new players would achieve the outcome we are looking for.

In the last 6/7 games, we have had a settled back 4 and goalkeeper, so no desperate need for a signing here. I would probably let Robles go and keep Stek as understudy. I would also let Martina and Williams go, and bring in a left sided defender who could eventually success Baines.

In midfield, we do have some players who aren't good enough to let go. Besic, Schneiderlin, Klaassen and maybe Bolasie. I would try to get Aaron Ramsey, and maybe a left sided attacker with pace.

I'd like us to sign a top striker with pace if possible, to complement the strikers we have currently. So by my reckoning, that's 4 players we need. I would also send Davies and Calvert-Lewin on loan to the Championship for the season. They need a season to learn their trade elsewhere. The pair of them could be important players for us if they can master their trade elsewhere.

The last thing we need is a big influx of players again. It didn't exactly have the desired effect last season, after all!

Andrew Clare
10 Posted 10/05/2018 at 14:21:41
I agree Danny. Four top class new players should be enough -not average players only top class players will do. I wouldn't sell Klassen or Schneiderlin as I think they will play completely differently under a new manager.

Williams, Bolasie, Martina and Besic just aren't good enough so they should definitely go. Jags is getting on so he should be replaced and the same applies to Baines. A creative attacking midfielder is a must as well as a top class striker.

Above all else the new manager should be the number one priority.

Mike Allison
11 Posted 10/05/2018 at 16:32:01
Madness. Let's repeat the thing that ruined this season. No thanks.

2-3 high quality signings, clear the deadwood and give youth a chance under a progressive and positive manager.

Jay Harris
12 Posted 10/05/2018 at 17:23:52
Lets start at the top and let the professionals decide who they want to build a squad on.

The difficulty we have is our best quality players are all getting a bit old now so we don't have much to build on.

I agree with Andy Crooks though we don't want wholesale change just gradual change and improved coaching and tactics.

Along with the new "quality" brought in we need to have that winning mentality and a bit of devilment. Look at how Chelsea have fallen away just because Costa has gone.

We have become too nice for the current Premiership.

Matthew Williams
13 Posted 10/05/2018 at 18:10:15
In regards to players out, there are too many to list. For incoming signings, easy: Mooy of Huddersfield and Pearson of Preston, as our engine room is simply piss poor. It neither protects our back line or creates anything going forward.

Bringing back our loan players, Dowell and Lookman, to play on both wings gives us pace and skill with the element of surprise and with Walcott supporting Tosun up front we would have the necessary firepower to get us the goals.

The back four kind of picks itself, perm four from eight and with Pickford between the sticks we're good to go for me to easily achieve 40+ points, but more importantly a League Cup win. Then it really begins Blues, success by the fastest means possible next season. Oh the joy!

Dermot Byrne
14 Posted 10/05/2018 at 18:15:03
Softie foreign managers Phil? Oh for god's sake. As Rooney, Bolasie and Schneiderlin who the softie is. Sam is just not the solution in any way. You are suggesting we use Sam to get rid of players. Great vision that would be by what is perceived as a crumbling club. And when that is done we sit and watch him and Walsh shape of future?
Gareth Clark
15 Posted 10/05/2018 at 19:11:33
This article is very poor, and extremely unrealistic.

“Should balance the squad somewhat” WHAT A JOKE!

- This level of change, will only lead to another year of lack of confidence & instability.

The only players that need to leave, are those that have a poor attitude, or would like to leave, or are not good enough. I'm sure there will be many loans too - which need to be better analysed to benefit the players.

Robles & Rooney are already on the way out.

Keep all your so called “not good enough” players - Bolasie, McCarthy, Schneiderlin, etc... They have a lot to offer. The chance needs to be in policy - if players aren't performing - then the back up players get a chance.

OUT:

Rooney
Robles
Mirallas
Williams
Garbutt
Besic (best of luck - great attitude)
Pennington (buy back clause)

LOANS:

Holgate (I think he would grow a lot by having a full season in the championship)
Baningime (same scenario as Holgate)
Robinson (one more season to grow)
Dowell (one more season on loan to grow)
Hewelt
(All of the above with a call-back option, if injuries occur)

Sambou
Connolly
J Williams
Evans
Feeney

INS:

CB: Lascelles & Mawson

LB: Bertrand / Tierney


FINAL SQUAD: 2018/19
25 Players

GK: Pickford / Stek

RB: Coleman / Kenny / Cuco

RCB: Keane / Mawson / Jagielka

LCB: Lascelles / Funes Mori

LB: Bertrand / Baines

CDM: Gueye / Schneiderlin / McCarthy

RCM: Klaassen / Davies

LCM: Sigurdsson / Vlasic

RW: Walcott / Bolasie

LW: Onyekuru / Lookman / Sandro

ST: Tosun / Calvert-Lewin / Niasse

James Flynn
16 Posted 11/05/2018 at 01:11:16
We have to have an LB and a CB.

We'll see who leaves. This "Get rid." stuff is pure Football Fantasy League. Players are under contract.

McCarthy has two years left on contract. No team will take a flyer on a crock. God bless him, but that's who he is now.

Garbutt has three years left. Three! A complete failure. Who will take him?

Besic has three years left at 㿞k per week. Let's all pull for Boro in the playoff. And pull for Besic's hamstrings to hold up.

Mirallas couldn't wait to go back to his old club. A complete disaster. Two years left on his contract. Who will have him?

Williams is washed-up at 33 with one year to go contracted at 㿲k per week. Who's going to sign him? Christ, why would he leave?

Stek has one year left. Robles is out of contract and likely will leave for playing time. Who would take Stek, except to have sit on the bench just like he's doing now? Why leave?

Jags and Baines have one year left, too. But they can actually still play. Just not regularly. Their legs won't have it.

My guess, is that some of the kids will sign elsewhere or go out on loan. We DO have an array of young talent. That's the simplest way to cut down the roster and wages.

It's fun TW conversation with the window opening soon. Beyond that, it amounts to nothing.

Except, we DO need a new CB and LB. And a new manager to make something of the rest of the squad.

Fran Mitchell
17 Posted 11/05/2018 at 02:49:40
Of the 15 I say get rid, 2 are back up keepers, so that is 13 outfield players. Sandro, Mirallas, Galloway, Pennington and Besic are not part of the set up, so that's 8 of the current squad. McCarthy hasn't played much for 2 years+ (and would attract interest from a bottom half team); Niasse is out of the picture; Williams is past it so that is 5.

Schneiderlin has been awful, just awful, and will go back to France.
Rooney has already backed his bags.
Martina... need to say?
Klaassen, why keep him?
Funes Mori, really? Maybe keep him, but think he'll push for a move.

But do any/will any of these players contribute to either squad harmony or improvement in performance?

Dave Williams
18 Posted 11/05/2018 at 10:46:51
There are some like Williams and Stek who are past it and must be moved on but others who have been poor who may flourish under the right manager.
Before Sam we had Ronald who was hardly inspirational and blamed the players rather than himself. Sam came in and did the same but got better results largely through having Coleman and Baines available to give stability and balance.
Morgan has looked much better lately- is he playing for a move or have things changed in his life and his form and appetite is returning? Keane has shown signs of life and should get better with a top class CB next to him. Davy looks the type who needs the right players around him to bring out his best form and if Brands does come in then maybe he will come good. Sandro hardly had a decent crack of the whip for a young lad coming to a foreign country the list goes on. I would look to bring in maybe four top class players if we can find them and get rid of the real dross but give everyone else a chance under a manager with a plan who genuinely wants to be here- Ron never did and I think that was his main problem.
It's not going to be easy but that's what Brands will be paid for.
Alex Mullan
19 Posted 11/05/2018 at 11:29:29
On one hand we obviously need a change, but on the other hand, selling 10 players and buying 7 players will very possibly result in another awful start in which half the team don't have a clue who they are playing with. We're in a catch 22 situation.

Saying that, some players (and management) are just so dire that their place in the squad is beyond laughable at this point.

Alasdair Mackay
20 Posted 11/05/2018 at 14:03:25
Too much turnaround too quickly was the problem last summer. I hope we don't repeat the same mistakes.

It sounds like Rooney is basically gone and there will be others who will leave - Sandro, Mirallas, Robles, Williams (surely), Martina (hopefully) and Schneiderlin (please); but we will have a new DoF, a new CEO, possibly a whole new scouting structure and hopefully a new coach to blood in - it is alot of transition for the existing players to handle already, we don't need 5 or 6 new first team players to add to the problems.

We have plenty of midfielders and another season of development for Calvert-Lewin, plus Tosun and Walcott means we are okay up front (for now). Holgate, Mori (never been well coached at Everton) and Keane are 3 of the 4 long-term options at CB. We will need 1 more eventually, but we have Jags for now and Pennington to come back from loan, so we can leave this for another 6 months if need be. We have RBs.

This summer I would only want to see a LB and we may need a back-up keeper, too.

Less squad upheaval, more focus on structure and coaching. That's the answer for now. We need a clearer understanding of what we have.

Winston Williamson
21 Posted 11/05/2018 at 15:23:45
Personally like this football manager stuff! However, it is best to try to keep some resemblance of reality. This is the one area I believe Allardyce to be talking a modicum of sense - buying will depend on sales, not due to having no funds, but due to an inflated squad and finding potential buyers!

We may be stuck with some shite for next season, but that does not mean we have to play them if they're showing a lack of commitment - this should be expressed to those players concerned - buck up or tell your agents make arrangements to leave or get use to not playing!

Goalkeepers:

Pickford - keep
Robles
Stek - if we can offload both Robles and Stek, then we need a new back-up goalkeeper and I'd promote from the u23's for the third choice position. If one of Robles or Stek is sold then just promote from the u23's.

Full Backs

Coleman - keep
Kenny - keep
Baines - keep
Martina
Garbutt - if we can offload both Martina and Garbutt, then we need to sign a replacement for left-back. There is a strong argument for signing one regardless, as a long-term replacement for Baines (i agree), but realistically, we do need to trim this area of sub-standard players.

Center-Backs

Jags - keep (to see out contract)
Keane - open to offers, but willing to keep
Funes Mori - open to offers, but willing to keep
Williams
Galloway
Pennington - again, if all three of Williams, Galloway and Pennington can be offloaded, then a replacement of high quality must be brought in. Unfortunately, if not then it may be a case of sticking until the next season.

Center-Midfield

Davies - keep
Gueye - keep
Baningime - keep
Klaassen - open to offers, but willing to keep
Williams - keep for u23's
Bowler - keep for u23's
Besic -
McCarthey -
Schneiderlin - if we can offload all of Besic, McCarthy and Schneiderlin then a replacement of the highest quality available is essential - this is an area where we really need to instill some guile and craft, so I'd be tempted to make this transfer regardless of outgoings (budget permitting).

Wide Midfielders

Walcott - keep
Henry - keep
Lookman - keep
Vlasic - open to offers, but willing to keep
Dowell - open to offers, but willing to keep
Bolasie -
Mirallas -
Grant - if we can offload Bolasie, Mirallas and Grant, I'd be tempted to move for a top-level target if the funds are available. If not, it may be a case of waiting until re can offload them before upgrading.

Forwards

Tosun - keep
Lewin - open to offers, but willing to keep
Rooney - open to offers, but willing to keep (as back up)
Sandro -
Niasse - if we can offload Niasse and Sandro we need to look for a speedy finisher to replace them. Again, I may be inclined to get one anyway (budget permitting).


All this does is emphasize the effects of last summers shite business and how we are potentially stuck with players going through the motions and collecting huge wages whilst doing so...

Fran Mitchell
22 Posted 11/05/2018 at 15:48:18
Dont think the mistake was too much turnaround last season, the mistake was signing too many crap players in positions we didnt really need and not signing what we needed.
Alasdair Mackay
23 Posted 11/05/2018 at 16:45:05
I agree Fran - some of the signings made no sense, but there were still too many brought in at once.

At certain points early in the season we had Pickford, Martina, Keane, Klaasen, Sigurdsson, Rooney and Vlasic playing key parts in games. That's 7 out of 14 usable players on a match day that needed to learn each others' foibles, fortes, runs and communication skills.

2, 3 or 4 1st team players as new signings is the maximum you can have without it having an adverse affect on performances, depending on the individuals' adaptability.

We need to shed some of the excess players and add 1 or 2 pieces to the team this summer, then see where we are in December and use January to add a couple more.

Sam Hoare
24 Posted 11/05/2018 at 20:08:49
I'd say 4 players in.

A left back
A centre back
Box-to-box midfielder
A goalscoring playmaker (winger or AMC depending on what formation we play)

Stephen Brown
25 Posted 12/05/2018 at 07:29:40
If we can manage to sell the likes of Bolasie, Sneiderlin, Klassen and Williams it'll probably be at a 1/4 of what they cost!!

Shocking business! Especially when you add in the two and soon to be three managerial pay offs!

We're could end up as the Toys R Us of the premier league if we're not careful!

Andy Crooks
26 Posted 12/05/2018 at 21:24:49
Well said, Mike Allison.

Winston, I enjoy football manager stuff, too. However, phases, and I' m not quoting you, by the way, like,"get rid, offlload, fuck off", etc are meaningless and ignore stuff like, err.. contracts, people with kids at school, players who might like their team mates and don't actually want to be fucked off to another club. Also, I know that we have a history of buying players good clubs don't want, but it will take a mighty fool to offer anything like a decent return on Williams, Schneiderlin, Bolasie, Niasse or McCarthy.

Stephen Brown
27 Posted 13/05/2018 at 08:15:16
Maybe the best policy for some of these players is to make them makeweights in deals for better players (if they'd agree!?)

Bolasie plus cash for Zaha?
Schneiderlin plus cash for French-based target?
Williams plus cash for Mawson?

Jon Hirshman
28 Posted 14/05/2018 at 14:37:46
For what it's worth, here is my view
In
Tukasz Fabiański
Patrick van Aanholt
Jonny Evans
Jamaal Lascelles
James Ward-Prowse
Jack Wilshire
Aleksandar Mitrović
Wilfred Zaha
Ayoze Pérez
Charley Austin
Out
Ashley Williams
Michael Keane
Wayne
Davy Klaassen
Maarten Stekelenburg
Cuco Martina
Returning Loanees
Muhamed Bešić (keep and return to first squad)
Kieran Dowell (keep and return to first squad)
Ademola Lookman (keep and return to first squad)
Harry Charsley (loan out for season)
Joe Williams (loan out for season)
Antonee Robinson (keep and promote to first squad)
Boris Mathis (loan out for season)
Callum Connolly (keep and promote to first squad)
Matthew Pennington (return to first squad)
Brenden Galloway (Sell)
Luke Garbutt (Sell)
Tyias Browning (Sell)
Sandro Ramírez (Sell)
Kevin Mirallas (Sell)
Steve Ferns
29 Posted 14/05/2018 at 15:20:53
Morgan Schneiderlin is on over 𧴜,000 per week. No one will want to take over that contract. Morgan himself will not take a paycut. So do we pay him to leave? Do we accept an even more reduced fee to accommodate this? Are we talking about letting a 㿃m signing leave for ٣m just to get him off our books?

It's not going to happen. He will stay with us. He will be in or around the side, simply because we cannot sell him and we cannot afford to write his wages off.

And this is the scenario that follows all down the long list of players that you have all proposed. We have spent a fortune on these players, both in terms of transfer fees and wages. Moshiri is an accountant. He will not just write off so much money like that.

He will hire a head coach, and he will have someone like Brands in charge of transfers. He will task Brands with selling off the crap but to be patient about doing it. He will hire the head coach on the basis that the head coach thinks he can work wonders with the present squad.

This is the reality that we need to be prepared for. However, I still think that with reduced games next season, we can utilise a settled first XI and find a good team from that. We just need to get players like Lookman back into the side.

Mark Dunford
30 Posted 14/05/2018 at 18:48:25
Impossible to judge some of the younger players who have been out on loan this year. We still need a reserve goalkeeper to replace Robles, cover at left back (pos Robinson or even Galloway - though he has obviously slipped some distance) and a left sided midfielder. Rooney will probably leave which means the number 10 issue is clearer as Barkley has also gone. Mirallas will also be off somewhere, so will Williams who is clearly way past his best. My guess is Sandro will probably go on loan for a year with view to buy and probably Klaasen, too. I'm not convinced there is 40-45 goals a year in a combination of Niasse, DCL and Tosun -though latter could easily net a fair number with the right service to prove me wrong - he looks an instinctive finisher. A lot of departures but - then again - the squad is too large and we do have a lot cover from younger players, who seem ready but unproven. Main thing is to get rid of BS as soon as we possibly can. Tomorrow??
Peter Rogers
31 Posted 17/05/2018 at 09:19:36
I think we need four top class players and as said get rid of the dead wood. Next season we need stability but left back centre back creative midfielder and top class striker (or as near as possible) would give us a good squad to start from. Plus 26 man squad max.
Victor Yu
32 Posted 25/05/2018 at 08:05:15
Calvert-Lewin and Davies out on loan to a promoted club.

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