Rooney will play despite manager's disappointmment

It won't be easy, but I feel we need to win this one, otherwise, with the run of games coming up, we could see us slip behind.

But Rooney, yes, all will be kept private and he'll be right back in the first team. But wanting to play as an attacking player in my 7-8 defensive player lineup, that's a horrible attitude and I will not have it and I will go public with your horrible attitude and that we will try to sell you. Is that about right?

Big match vs Spurs given the capitulation at Chelsea, Rooney's misdemeanour and a disappointing end to the transfer window.

Get 3 points (any which way) and it will go some way to returning a more positive spirit to the club and fans. Gonna be very tough though, Spurs are everything I wish we were: Organised, fast, energetic; tough to score against AND able to produce plenty of chances.

In the meantime he can pop one in tomorrow.

And I like that Koeman read from a pre-written script. Otherwise I could imagine he said something stupid again.

Essentially he's saying "Look, the lad wouldn't get into my squad in normal circumstances, but needs must. If the board would gave got me any of options 1 to 6 that I asked for, he would be washing my car til we can ship him out in January. But we simply haven't got enough strikers, and he's kept his head down and not moaned, so if Calvert-Lewin, Sandro, Rooney and Michael Lynch's nan all break their legs, I might give him ten minutes at the end of a league cup game against Barnet."

You're right there about it being tough on Saturday. Spurs are the real deal and we're right on it last season at Goodison.

It's a great test though and we will find out a bit more about quite a few of our players. I'm hoping we can compete toe to toe with them and keep it very tight. Between Sigurdsson and Rooney we can get a goal or two from them or an assist.

A hefty fine for sure (maybe a weeks wages – donated to EitC perhaps), because what the court hands out will be immaterial to Wayne, but to suggest potentially weakening the team as a means of reprimand is just utter nonsense.

Good luck to Niasse. I don't hold out a lot of optimism but you just never know.

Be prepared for big let downs from this manager. Arrogance is a combination of pride and ignorance.

Well, Ian, that would be cutting off our nose to spite the face, don't you think?

Look, I'm not proud of Rooney's actions and the whole episode reflects more badly on him, rather than Everton. It's an unrelated football matter, and unless it's something truly vile (which it isn't) that he's done, then my main concern is that he plays well on the football pitch, for us (a la Stoke second half performance).

I don't really give a shit about the players private life or the sentimental part of the game. All the money and agents have ruined that part of football.

And If.course, no one here has ever had a a few drinks and taken the wheel of a car, never.

On Niasse, odds on him breaking Dixies' Record?

As for Niasse, He scored goals for a terrible Hull side. Surely, we can provide him with better service than them. Really hope he makes it. His attitude has been brilliant, never slagging off the manager or club. Go Oumar.

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Prepare yourself to be very disappointed on the 18th.

A few bevies should sort you out.

The list of mistakes is well known and don't need repeating. Hopefully it's all over. When Rooney is "Dealt with", it should be reported as addressed within the club and the details withheld, including no fanfare of moral dividend, should some wages be diverted to EitC or similar. Let's get back to being Everton.

If this was a movie (as opposed to Coronation Street), Koeman would get the lads together, all the lads, and fire them up for the Spurs game like never before. We'd sacrifice one game of chess for an all-out blast and go for a Man City at home performance like last season. Time to rebuild the heart and soul.

My point is, if he is found guilty, it would not go amiss if he missed a couple of games so Koeman can really show how disappointed he was by his actions and thereby set an example to our youngsters.

To others who have criticised my post, of course I do not wish to weaken any side Koeman wishes to put out and nobody can out gin me, believe me – however, I stand by my belief that a couple of games would set the right example.

I'd like to see him not only making a hefty donation to EitC but actually serving that program in some way – doing community service, as it were. Out front, in public, demonstrating his contrition rather than sitting home out of public view or up in the stands in a jacket and tie.

You're entitled to your opinion, Mike, but could you please explain what you think would be served by having him demonstrate his contrition?

Niasse has worked hard and deserves a chance, and as we are short of strikers it makes sense to include him. This all seems sensible to me. The result on the field is paramount.

I don't usually compare us to them, but I don't recall there being much of a fuss about this one. The club dealt with it internally and it didn't affect his selection.

The calls for Rooney to donate a week's wage to Everton in the Community are a good one; we should also make him do internal community service with Everton in the Community. He's far more beneficial helping out the needy than being banned for a few games.

You have to be fair with these things. In a football sense, Rooney has been setting an excellent example by all accounts ever since he has come back. He has not missed a training session, he's played pretty much every game, and players and management have praised his impact. After a hectic start to the season, and with 2 weeks between games, he has gone out drinking and had an absolute aberration of a night out. He will no doubt be beating himself up about it already - he might end up losing his family over this.

I can't help thinking that we, as a football club, should be supporting him a bit. The courts will take care of the legal side of this i.e. the drink driving. He will pay his dues. We have to make sure that his head is right for playing football.

I bet he's getting plenty from his wife and family, who will be telling him exactly what time it is.

You're totally wrong – any sports scientist will tell you that consuming alcohol has a negative effect on the body's ability to perform, especially when consumed frequently &/or in large quantities.

Apart from the recent instance in Alderley Edge & Wilmslow, there were at least 3 well-documented incidents (including the Bellew fight) in the last few months of his time at Man Utd.

Rooney is paid a hell of a lot of money per week to play football for Everton and all sports professionals have a duty to look after their bodies as part of this.

Without the involvement of the media, our manager, living in Alderley Edge, would have found out about this incident – Rooney and only Rooney is to blame – the same Rooney who rejected Everton in 2004.

Not condoning, but as Fran says above, very few people have not taken the risk at some stage. Time to move on. Drama over now.

As for the club, I repeat my earlier stance. It's not Koeman's job to deal with this. He is the coach and that's it, the only relevant question is will he play?

A Communications officer deals with the journalists and that's that.

But it would be Wayne to get the winner Saturday. 👀

No question, though, that whatever the club does will pale by comparison to what he's going to take from the missus. Attempting to cheat on a pregnant wife when she's out of town with the kids could wind up costing him far more than any fine or suspension.

Steavey, there's always a second wind available with the right motivation.

But in the case of Mr Rooney the opposite occurred.

Just make sure you have that same attitude if a loved one is killed by one of these people who decided to drink and then get behind the wheel. Make sure you keep that attitude of it not being a big deal and definitely don't expect any real punishment for the offender.

That would be unreasonable, since it's really no big deal and apparently everyone does it.

We have just taken back a twice convicted, class A drug abuser, to work with the younger players! An ex-jailbird is our first team coach

Plenty of material for the righteous amongst us. Get stuck in, lads.

No second chance here, the next transgression and he will be sacked, mark my words.

I have over time enjoyed your occasional article on TW and your oft posts on a range of subjects. However, as this is an Everton football forum I will not go into very difficult personal details as to why I believe Rooney should serve a small ban (given he is guilty of course) to show our youngsters not all things idolised footballers do should be followed. I am sorry to say I found your post offensive.

Let's move on! Happy for him to score the winner on Saturday.

I won't judge Rooney because I broke the law this morning. I was doing over 90 mph on a clear motorway.

So if I came on here and raged against the man, that would make me a massive hypocrite. That's my point, Ian.

Again, apologies if I upset you in any way.

Let's hope Rooney pops one in tomorrow – and I will be raising a glass full of my favourite gin!

No ? I thought not !! Absolute double standards on here from some people.

Why should it be any different for a footballer?

Yes, if certain coworkers were arrested for drunken driving, they would be sacked, end of story. It's part of their contract. If your job involves having to operate a motor vehicle, and you are unable to fulfill that obligation due to your actions, bye bye. If your job is one as at the face of the company, whether as an executive or other more high profile position, yes you can lose your job.

As a public figure there is a double standard. How some of you do not understand this still surprises me. You are granted many more privileges and one of the costs is that your actions are much more heavily scrutinized. That is the way it works.

Therefore not in my view an empty gesture to ban him for a game, though the drivers behind not doing so are clear to everyone.

Any ban or fine should of course come after conviction and sentencing.

A statement from the lad wouldn't hurt either, but Everton aren't that good at PR.

If you are driving for a living, or your job involves driving, after being banned of course you would lose your job. What about if your job does not involve driving?

It most certainly will not be in a footballers contract. If you think inner city kids would look at Rooney and think "I will copy him and get drunk", you should think again.

Football is certainly one of those where people have been convicted for all sorts and got back in the game.

Tell me, if your partner, sibling or mate made an error of judgement (and believe me, for those who say they wouldn't, it is very easy to do so) would you turn your back on them and insist they be sacked, especially if you relied on their income?

I find all this outrage towards Rooney quite hypocritical as I believe it is more to do with how people feel about him as an individual and not what he has actually done. That is why I cite 'legend' Duncan as an example of double standards.

Please read the rest of my post where I talk about being an employee in the public eye. If you are a public figure you have different standards. Why do you think so many politicians are forced to resign when they have affairs?

This season, I want him to ride his bike into the river, have a punch-up with a RS fan in a scruffy pub in Bootle, get booted out of a brothel for some complicated but silly misdemeanour and score at least 15 league goals to get us into the top four. You need heroes, in this locked-down life of obeisance to the banks et al.

The wife does a Tiger Woods and puts £100mil in the bank. China moves at the end of the season. Did they change the beer sponsor?

I'm sure going out on a 7-hour bender is not conducive to maintaining peak physical shape so the club will definitely not look kindly on that. As for the DUI, the court will decide. He should at the very least be docked the max 2 weeks wages (not that he'll give a shit given he's worth 𧴜m!) and start a few games on the bench. It's not a great sign for the club that a player goes out on a bender gets done for DUI and still starts the very next game – just shows desperation.

With Sigurdsson, Sandro and Calvert-Lewin – we don't need to have Rooney starting anyway. Might do him some good being benched for a while for being a prat.

I think you should look up the definition of 'role model' and ask yourself which type you'd like the youngsters at Goodison Park to look up to!

How old are you, btw, 13?

At which of these common death causing behaviours would you draw the line for an employee/player, in or out of the public eye, to be suspended or sacked?

And find out how much they earn while he's at it. He saves fallen ladies... Could he save a couple for me?

One free header against Stoke does not a season make, we all make mistakes but he should be man enough to hold his hands up and say sorry.

I would think Bill Kenwright must feel like the dumb dog getting slapped in the face and coming back for more.

A politician is a public servant paid for out of the public purse. They will resign because their credibility is undermined to perform their role on behalf of their constituents and taxpayer.

Footballers are private employees. Whether they are in the public eye is moot. Merson took drugs; Tony Adams, Joey Barton, Duncan Ferguson, Lee Hughes (who killed someone) all went to jail for various offences and all resumed their careers. It is a decision for the individual clubs as to what decision they take regarding their employees.

The youngsters at Goodison Park look up to 40,000 people like them, who are on their day off, some of whom might be at the beginnings of a silly state.

I'm 52½, btw.

In the end it is just about the moral agenda of the Daily Mail, Sun (yeah Sun) and rest of Fleet Street/Media.

Does depends what you do. Tax "mistake" for Tory, OK. Sex with nanny. OK. Dick in dead pig. OK for PM's. Sloshed in The House. Fine for all. Leak government info? Fine for all.

In the end, written rules are just wheeled out to justify sacking after bad PR gaffs. And taxpayers are nowt to do with it.

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You made me laugh. I obviously have the same childish sense of humour that you have.

David (#79),

I love a cynic.

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Dropping your fag end or kebab wrapper in the street, going over the speed limit, pissing in a back alley after a night on the piss, staggering home at 3am shouting "Kopites are gobshites". All against the law. how many law breakers do we have judging Rooney?

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone Ah, that would be me then.

But it appears that Kirsty Gallacher was actually drunk and intending on driving her kids home. Why isn't she being vilified outside of the Katie Hopkins fan club?

I wouldn't be in a rush to summon the Stasi-esque society, it's well on the way fast enough as it is.

This summer, he was effectively finished at Man Utd; the Championship or League 1 was likely to be his best option. EFC rescued him from this fate and this is how he thanks the Club???

Words fail me – the quicker he moves on, the better – and hopefully he takes Ronald Koeman with him.

So to transfer to football well tough ask !

Footballers are fantasy figures for the young now in similar ways as unpredictable movie super heroes. But role model? We are kidding.

l would be appalled to see any child looking up to these generally halfwits who can kick a football. And to expect them to lead, inspire, be about common good (before they are millionaires) is akin to asking them to explain nuclear physics.

There are some exceptions obviously (Mr Naismith springs to mind) but if these are the role models for our young, don't expect any kind of care from them when you go gaga. They will be instructing their agents to help them minimise their tax.

So best is to leave their personal lives alone, expect absolutely sod all unless part of the club contract, and find somebody who does something useful as a role model for your children and grandkids.

Then they can watch football with brains and maybe, just maybe, change the sewer that our generation have let modern clubs and media create.