Allardyce heading for Everton exit

Uninspiring if true.

NSNO.

I'm undecided if Silva is the answer (I'll support him 100% if he's appointed, though) but let's not treat the two situations as if they were equal.

We gave his Watford side a 2 goal lead and beat them 3-2 when we were absolutely rudderless.

It seems to me he starts well and then falls away like the guy at Swansea and Martinez.

I really hope you and Steve Ferns are right because this is a much bigger challenge than Hull or Watford. The whole club needs a revolution not just the coaching.

That was categorically not the case with Martinez. Comparisons between them are lazy at best, uninformed at worst. Or is that the wrong way round?! If Silva had been in charge that whole year at Hull then I could understand but cmon...context people!

When Moyes went many of us were relieved but when Martinez came in there was a lot of apprehension.
Despite his appointment the team started playing some decent football but alas it didn't last.

Then along came Ronald and we then felt that this guy was the real deal and again he quickly proved to be a dud.

Things got desperate and Unsy may have done better with some more time but it wasn't to be and Allardyce proved how adept he was at making the team even more lethargic than it had ever been despite finishing eighth.

What next we are asking ? Moshiri needs to do his homework if he hasn't already started and dig deep again to hopefully get the right man.

No time and possibly reduced budget this preseason.

For me likely Silva has been on a retainer .Still with EFC who knows. It surely must get better, this week.

Silva did okay but didn't cover himself in glory at Hull. He had a decent half-season at Watford. I don't see why we seem to be so interested. His record abroad has high points and low points but that's true of many other managers.

Fonseca has done a good job at Shakhtar but is untried in the Premier League. Again, it's another punt.

Why are the the following names seemingly not in the mix:

Sean Dyche
Eddie Howe
David Wagner
Unai Emery (now available!)
Ralf Rangnick
Laurent Blanc
Roberto Mancini
Manuel Pellegrini

I'm not suggesting any of the above are the right answer but surely they have to be considered alongside the two known candidates?

So, we seek someone who's maybe got the Pochettino touch, the only problem being the squad he inherited was way more equipped than ours is. That's why I'm grimly prepared to welcome Silva and his entourage of coaches, and he only works with HIS entourage of coaches thus far.

He's a man whose Hull and Watford squads were enthused by his ability to actually get on the training field and physically move their body positions into the optimum position to make it best for their team's tactics, to the cost of their opponent's and, you know what, he might have saved Hull had he had a just few more games.

I shake my head and wonder just why adult "professional" millionaire footballers these days need to have someone teach them, one-to-one, something as basic as the best position for them to stand/posture/present but there it is. From what I expect he'll find at FF he'll have his work cut out though.

On the positive side, in his down-time he'll no doubt be given the "A to Zed" on pigeon training from "the legend" Ferguson as the breakfast fry-up is plonked in front of them all.

Wasted millions on over priced players.

Giving a two year contract to a manager who was clearly a short term appointment.

Chasing Marco Silva who relegated Hull and who won a few games for Watford before getting the sack. If we appoint this guy then he clearly is clueless.

And now being linked to using the parasite super agent Raiola*

There is a lot of criticism of his coaching from players. Neymar seems to be on a personal mission to get him sacked. However, I believe Neymar is really after a move and his agent is using the press to criticise Emery to get that move. PSG acted by getting rid of Emery as they are determined to keep their star man, the player they believe is behind only Messi and Cristiano Aveiro.

I do believe that Emery would do an excellent job at Everton, but I feel people call for him simply by looking at the jobs he's had and the trophies he's won, without knowing why he won them and how he won them and so what he actually can offer Everton.

I feel that if you actually broke down Emery's skillset, that he is a great man-manager, but this is called into question at PSG. He is a good tactician. But you also need to bear in mind that Seville never broke the top 3 in Spain, they often struggled to 4th or 5th in La Liga, and that PSG underachieved last season.

I don't think he is the best man for the job, despite his talents, but more importantly, he will demand and get a club in the Champions League.

Edit: sorry Emery was only in charge this season. It's been so long it felt like two.

I'm not sure it's going to be met with universal appraisal and I just hope it's not another case of fans wanting him gone by November if he's not hit the ground running.

Personally I think we have a squad of shite that needs massively overhauling and it's currently a squad of ageing players who their best years have long gone and young players who just aren't Premier League class, at least not yet anyway .

I fear it will need a massive overhaul of playing staff regardless of who gets this job, and that's the one thing I doubt will happen this summer so we'll be stuck with this same unbalanced squad of underperforming wasters.

I can accept that some don't want him but it's bemusing when some of the said posters say they want Fonseca. They have very similar managerial paths. If anything wouldn't it be better to go for the man who has premier league experience and did a decent job at smaller clubs?!

Emery could be a shout but his English is very poor.

If you want to talk about big names then how about Ancelotti, great player, great manager also let go because he was under achieving at Bayern, apparently their star player Robben hated him. Just for the record I don't think Ancelotti would be a good fit for Everton.

But I do think Emery would. Mangers just like players have their levels, we have all seen the limitations that existed with David Moyes. If we can get a manager in who is in the champions league bracket but still has a point to prove then we will be having a good start. Add to that a manager who's Seville team pressed with intensity and hit teams on the break, I really believe he is the manager we need.

Thank fuck this dire episode in our history is about to draw to a close. I thought the dark days of Walter Smith were bad, but Allardyce made me reminisce for those times like it was a holiday in the Seychelles. Good riddance to him!

Everton need a workaholic coach, not a big name to drift in and out and say a few words and try to do it all on match day. Carlo was one of the best, his CL trophies point to that, but his hunger is long gone. He wouldn't take a job like Everton, and seems destined for international management to me. However, he does love London, lives there and seems to want another job in the capital.

It is a bit too early for him to leave Huddersfield at the moment, he needs another season with them in the premier league but I think he will become a very successful manager. I will be watching his progress with interest.

As has been said, whoever gets the Everton gig, has a huge rebuilding job in front of him and he is going to need more money from Moshiri.

I think the signings of Walcott and Tosun will work out OK but we still need a dominant left sided centre half, a midfield Dynamo, and another striker and left back. That will test Farhad Moshiri's nerve.

Mind you, the £131m he will receive in TV money for this season will help.

Steve Bruce was knocking on the door of the lunatic owner, you know the guy, he wants to change Hull City into Hull Tigers (surely that's a rugby league side?). He asked him for funds as he needed players to make them competitive. He was told no. Hull were not ready for the PL and they had no plans to stay there.

So in came Mike Phelan. At first he was caretaker and they got a couple of wins. So he got the job. He then had Hull doing what everyone expected and they were rock bottom, and whilst they would not have a record breakingly bad season, they would not break 25 points. So in came Silva, with Hull bottom and all but doomed. Then as we all know, they beat the RS, they beat Utd, they were in a Cup Semi, and they won a load of games.

So maybe 42+ points over a season is crap, but it's a bloody miracle with that Hull side. And that's the point. He made a Championship level side, with no decent players, and a load of misfits like Niasse, competitive and come oh so close to staying up, and he did it all in a few months.

I wouldn't say he did an amazing job at Hull, but their fans still rave about him, so do their players, and they are all grateful for his efforts and wish he'd never left.

That Huddersfield side are the worst team in this division. I have no doubt about that. They should have been bottom, and the fact they were not is all down to him. He's done well the last two seasons, let's see if he can make it a third.

You mention a workaholic manager but it has to be in the right areas.

Roberto was obsessed with football completely 24/7, to the extent that he had extra TV screens in his living room so he could watch football whilst he was sitting on the same couch as his Missus but ultimately he neglected certain areas of the game, player fitness and he thought ball retention was enough to defend, if they don't have it they can't score.

Everyone thinks Roberto wanted to be like Guardiola, he didn't he wanted to be like Cruyff but without the players, he was so idealistic about it that eventually it done for him (he might still win the world cup mind as he will have fit players to play for him)

Martinez never pressed the ball in the Bielsa way. So yes, I agree his style is very different. It's based on retaining possession. However, I feel Martinez is a better coach and manager than many on here give him credit for. Many just dismiss the 72 point haul, the two Semi finals, and the European Quarter final as nothing, despite the fact that only one Everton manager can beat those feats.

Silva is a workaholic manager in the stlye of a (young) Mourinho and a (young) Benitez. Martinez watched football with his wife, watching two TVs. Benitez and Mourinho and now Silva watch football in an office, studying tape of the opposition diligently and analysing weaknesses and all three focus on defence from those tapes. There can be no comparison with Martinez in that regard.

Silva's default tactic is a counter attacking 4231, in the Mourinho mould. You cannot successfully counter attack if you cannot successfully defend. So again, he's the opposite of Martinez.

Silva likes to play attacking football in that he presses high up the pitch, in the Bielsa way, to win the ball in dangerous areas and attack the goal quickly before the defence has recovered their shape. This means a much more direct style and less possession based as his teams will play through balls, rather than looking for a square pass.

However, Silva has twice been in charge of top sides. Olympiacos and Sporting. These sides were head and shoulders better than the other teams in their league (with the exceptions of Benfica and Porto), and so he had to play a possession based style whilst teams looked to sit deep against him. That said, his teams scored a lot of goals from a devastating counter attack system, which is where that quote about Olympiacos giving the ball away so they could counter attack comes from, though it is very much tongue-in-cheek and should not be taken so literally.

A player who faded badly after Silva left Watford is Nathan Cleverly. If ever a player is a walking advert for Silva's coaching it is him. He looked like Zidane under Silva.

If we are to play a 4231, then expect something like:

Pickford
Coleman Jagielka Keane Baines
Gueye Davies
Walcott Sigurdsson Lookman
Tosun

However, Silva might prefer the much quicker Calvert-Lewin up top. His fullbacks do not attack as much as we might like. There is always that double pivot (two defensive midfielders) and Sigurdsson will be expected to do a lot of closing down. Tosun would be expected to "start the press" meaning he would be responsible for setting the tone of the closing down, which is why I suspect that Calvert-Lewin might get the nod. Silva would look for goals from the front 4, rather than just the striker.

Baines - too slow
Schniederlin - too static, needs a mentality change to adapt
Rooney - too slow to be a striker and far too slow and static to be a midfielder

Those players who play midfield need to be able to tackle and burst forwards quickly. The defensive midfield two cannot just sit deep, they need to make runs and get past the playmaker, ie Sigurdsson. There's no way Rooney can play in this system.

The striker is the key position for me, Silva wants a combination of Calvert-Lewin and Niasse's qualities. He will settle for someone like Walcott getting the goals. The two wingers will be expected to be in the box a lot, and if Calvert-Lewin is leading the line, Walcott will be expected to be getting past him regularly, and so will have the majority of the goal-scoring opportunities.

How about Julian Nagelsmann at Hoffenheim? 4th in the Bundesliga last season, pushing for Europe again now (thrashed Red Bull Leipzig inc Ademola Lookman) 5-2 at the weekend. He's only 30, but has radical training ideas and would be a breath of fresh air!

"Please remember that past performance may not be indicative of future results."

The same applies to incoming players and managers.

We can speculate and analyze all we like. Yes, the odds see-saw in your favour with proven quality players and managers with decent track records.

However, in both categories, successful players and managers have failed at clubs you would expect them to succeed at.

No incoming player or manager comes with gilt-edged guarantees. It is always a lottery how it will pan out.

I continue to opine changing the manager alone will not magically and totally change our fortunes. Other far-reaching changes are needed as well.

So a new start. Hopefully they've spent the last few months working with Brands and wording up managers and will be ready to announce straight away.

Any delay will indicate a lack of planning. Not a perception that Moshiri can afford... again.

Steve: your insights suggest you really know your stuff and are really thought-provoking. What's your analysis of Eddie Howe?

Whoever comes in needs a boatload of money to get us fighting for top 6. I'd be selling half the squad asap and getting in pacey quality replacements.

The only players a new manager should keep in their starting 11 are Pickford, Coleman, Gueye, Sigurdsson, and Walcott.

Typical Everton.

It's harder for me to assess Howe. You can't see enough of him on the training pitch to get an idea of how he would actually do the job.

Howe has done well with Bournemouth, but he has struggled at Burnley before. I think he'd need time to bed his ideas in and for us to see the changes. I Don't think we'd give him time though.

Also, he would need a complete overhaul of the squad to suit his tactics and a lot of players would have to be bought. Our midfield quite simply lacks good passers of the ball, and the players are not fit or fast enough to play the pressing game Howe tries (doesn't work as well as other managers) to play.

I've always had reservations with Howe, and I feel he needs to step up slightly, perhaps West Ham would be a good fit for him. Then we can see a bit better as to how he'd do. The risk the being that he then proves himself for a top 6 job. So, if anything, we'd to gamble on him now.

If Brands does come in, given the timeline of negotiations with him, wouldn't he know the candidates for the management position now? Would be a bit of a hard sell otherwise?

In which case, if both Brands and Silva do come in, the new director of football would in some way at least be comfortable with the incoming manager?

That thought gives me a degree of comfort, as it would mean the appointment of Silva wasn't just Moshiri's pick. Pure speculation on my part.

Steve - I am getting a bit worried, your enthusiasm is starting to affect me and I have been down that road before with Roberto. His sin miedo period had my head in the clouds.

If it is to be Silva I wouldn't have thought Watford could claim that much as they have been going through a manager a year for the last 10 years. Either way if Moshiri wants him it won't stop him hiring him - he seems to be about to flex his muscles.

An OK 4 month's at Watford warrants being the next Everton Manager.

If this happens, I'm taking a year out of football, as a we are going to be here yet again in a year, baying for his blood. Silva knows as much about defending than Martinez did. We will be the laughing stock if the media world when they tell us we got the entertaining football we wanted going forward, yet having to score 3-4 goals to win a game because our defence is like a sieve.

The best Managers know how to defend and attack in equal measure where one is not compromised by the other. Silva and Martinez simply do not know how to defend, whereas Allardyce is scared to press teams.

Ancelotti for me is the right fit at the right time for Everton. Out of work, won it all.

Piss off fat Sam!

It's a no brainer the man has won league title's and european cup's and has made Newcastle a half decent side on a shoe string budget in a short space of time.

Marco Silva could be something special but is a real gamble why would take that risk when there is proven guy's out there!

Paul Merson on Sam Allardyce: "I think he's done a great job, I really do. At Southampton they looked all over the place and didn't look like they were going to win another game. Let's put it this way, if he'd gone to Swansea, West Brom or Stoke at that time, they'd have stayed up. You cannot knock the job he's done in my opinion."

For God's sake, a great job? Really? Has Merson actually watched an Everton match under Allardyce? I doubt it very much. Ffs, get rid quick so we can stop reading this type of media garbage.

He also has a habit of getting a bit flouncy when he doesn't get his way.

He would undoubtedly be a fine candidate for the job though. Can't see it happening.

It's been a lesson, especially for Moshiri, which has had to be endured but we could be in The Championship now all be it for the hated one.

There will be plenty going on this next couple of weeks if we're to get going before the World Cup, which is important. Hopefully a move will be made for Benitez or Howe as an outsider for the post.

And we need to get Lookman back on board!!!!!

I'm glad Rooney is going also. His season with Everton and transfer to America was predictable when he was signed. I am still convinced that Unsworth would have done as well, with less damage.

We need a five-year plan now. Next season will be a rocky one, whoever comes in, but hopefully at last we are heading in the right direction at least.

The three main problem to be sorted are: the legacy of Koeman's unstructured Summer transfer window; the Youth development decimation by Big Sam; and the aged squad.

This is a big job. Everton's ability to attract a suitable manager and players who are willing to take a career chance will be decisive.

His penalty at Goodison is my highlight.

:)

I for one will give him backing if he becomes manager.

Panama's Tony Taylor was a team-mate of his at Estoril and recalls how Silva "switched the whole thing around" upon being promoted to manage the club. From second division strugglers, Silva even took Estoril into Europe. "His training was just so good," Taylor tells Sky Sports. "He was tactically sound and very attentive to the details."

Estoril's captain Steven Vitoria could hardly have been clearer about who was the catalyst for the club's rise. "Even now, if you asked anyone involved in the recent history at Estoril to point to the one person who was responsible for all of this, whether it was players, staff or fans, they would all come up with the same name," he tells Sky Sports. "It was Marco Silva."

At Olympiakos, Silva won the title and impressed his players once again with his work on the training ground. "It was amazing," Pajtim Kasami tells Sky Sports. "We won 17 times in a row. You could see right there that he was a manager with a big future. He is very intelligent tactically. He devotes a lot of time to the details.

"He is like a genius."

Nobody at Arsenal had heard of Arsene Wenger when he took over and no proven premiere league experience and look at what he did so not sure how you can say to risky.

Sorry I think Premiere league experience is irrelevant, if your a good manager you should be able to manage in any league.

If Pep rates him, who are we to argue? The one person who took the league by the scruff of the neck and gave football that we can only dream of at Goodison Park.

If Moshiri is serious about his investment in our club, he should break the chains and bring back the years of triumph.

A complete overhaul and direction is what we all want and Fonseca and Brands will be our saviours.

He is being appointed on his reputation as a man manager and coach. Wonders at Estoril, trophies at Sporting and Olympiakos, and a really good 23 points in 19 games with one of the PLs most dysfunctional and sorry teams in Hull.

Opinions are fine, but when it is based on total fallacy it really undermines the point.

A winner, experienced, knows the British game inside out, to me there's no risk if he came here.

Regarding his past over the road, well, if we can't get over that then we'll forever be an also ran.

We haven't done too bad with past members of the RS have we?

Bring someone in who has hunger for the role and sees us as a step up.

Yes agree we all seem to be experts on who the best manager is. I can only read what is said on the internet and like to think that footballers who have worked with managers know a bit more about them than we all do. I do like Silva as from what I can understand is he likes to man manage and take training which I think Everton needs right now with the crop of players we have.

We are where we are: a mid table team who can't atttact a top manager. As soon as we can accept it we might move on. We must gamble as we don't have the luxury of certainty.

Paul @ 98 what a great post.

ps: I don't want Marco Silva as manager.

After the shite he spouted about the survey, the gruel served up on the pitch (even after we were safe), and general contempt shown towards the fans, he should have been sacked weeks ago.

Instead, the saga rumbles on alongside the lack of clarity on the CEO, DoF, Rooney and Bramley Moore.

With the exception of our excellent work in the community, we are an absolute shower of shite in every other respect both on and off the pitch at the moment.

As far as I'm concerned, it's a bit of a lottery. But Steve Ferns has done due diligence on Silva and he sounds worth a punt over the others from my perspective. As Jay Wood (BRZ) said above, past performance may not be indicative of future results etc, and whoever comes in as manager will still have to work with our mediocre squad and clueless structure, but I see it quite simply really. Which man on the touchline come August 11th will mean I take my seat with a thrill of anticipation of what's to come? I'd probably say Silva, with maybe Fonseca and Wenger as next on the list. Rafa would really worry me (not that I think he's a realistic choice) - I mean, imagine what the atmosphere would be like if we're struggling under him? It would make the way we've treated Allardyce seem like a guard of honour.

He might be good at'man-handling players into position on the training field' but his Premier record stinks. If he's the best that the useless Moshiri can come up with, I'm finished with what's left of a onc great club !

I'm not keen on SIlva either, but the way Everton has been run over the last 30 years I (strangely) can't muster the enthusiasm for any new manager at the moment.

It all just feels as though whoever comes in is going to have a hard time given the level of many players in our squad, and the clubs standing in the game these days. We don't support a top team anymore, and there isn't a current player alive that's ever seen us win anything or even compete at the top.

Remember the bad feelings aired against David Moyes at the end of his tenure? He wasn't good enough for us.

Then the incredulous amazement at the football we were suddenly playing under Roberto Martinez when we were a joy to watch and winning regularly. But, decent man as he is, he was also slated at the end by some of our fickle fans. He wasn't good enough for us.

Give me Rafa Benitez all day. Who really cares about a comment made years ago? He was the Liverpool manager verbally abused at every opportunity by Everton fans. So he gave a little back. So what? His candidacy, should he even want to come, would be stronger than anyone else's and for good reason.

Whilst we're pontificating over who's going to be our next manager, our neighbours are preparing for another major final.

A list of English club trophy winners in the last 20 years does not contain the name Everton. Benitez is a winner.

There are a few interesting options:

The pipe dreams: Emery, Simeone, Conte, Ancelotti, Wenger(less so but he's signalling he want international football)

The 'safe' options: Howe, Dyche, Benitez, Moyes(?!), Keeping Allardyce (?!!)

The left-field options: Nagelsmann, Arteta, Viera, Laurent Blanc, Cocu.

The Portuguese flava: Silva, Fonseca, Sergio Concecaio, Villas-Boas(?), Rui Vitoria.

Beyond the pipe dream options my choice is Silva.

All new managers have an element of risk but I feel that him and Brands could usher in a new, forward moving era at Everton. Make no mistake we have squad that is no-where near the top 5 and I don't expect could be for at least a couple of years. But a strong, hard working coach with an intelligent, capable, forward-looking DOF could utilise some of the potential we have with the kids and blend a team that plays entertaining football that is capable on their day of beating anyone.

I think whoever takes over that next season, 5th-7th, with good football, some big scalps (a derby win?!) and maybe a cup run would represent success. It's got to be a long term plan with incremental improvement. The gap is too big and we are a mess currently. Hi ho Silva for me.

What exactly have these two managers done that some of the Everton fans want them especially Howe?

Howe team leaks goals just like Martinez team did, and Dyche well... remember boring boring Arsenal? Exactly.

If Everton are to compete in the top 6, and this will not happen overnight, give it a 2-year timespan with a manager someone like Conte, Benitez, Pellegrini, Pellegrini & Arteta (combo) or Wenger & Arteta (combo), but not Howe, he doesn't excite me at all (sorry).

Agree on Eddie Howe who I feel the term, "he's another Martinez" applies to the most.

Eddie Howe had done a really good job at Bournemouth, and he deserves massive credit for keeping them up and then riding out the bad start they had to the season. They could have sank.

However the long and short of it is that at times Bournemouth can be absolutely woeful. One dimensional and defensively shambolical. As Martinez found out here when the going got tough, the difference between managing a club like Everton and a Wigan, or Bournemouth, is night and day. Just as Koeman did, in fact.

If Sean Dyche went by the name Seanio Dychio then Moshiri would probably have appointed him by now.

If Kenwight was still calling the shots I think he'd already be here.

Cheer up, I am only stating what I read on the internet from players who has worked with him.

I like yourself have no idea if he will be the best candidate or not, he may have had a crap time in the premiere league so far but his record before that is very good.

I just thing think he is young, hungry to succeed and wouldn't mind at all if he was appointed but that is just my opinion.

I understand it could all be media spin, but slightly concerning they don't think linking such names to Everton would be as believable as linking them to a side who narrowly avoided relegation!? How is this the case?

The important thing is that the new Manager has a five-year plan to get into the top four. Everton fans will recognise it when they see it. Everyone is prepared for a rocky next season.

There has been a lot of harm done these past two seasons; Martinez left Everton in better shape than Allardyce football-wise. The remnants of Moyes's glass ceiling mentality in the form of now aged players was never addressed.

With Moshiri taking more financial control, this would suggest that there is enough money to cover costly mistakes to learn and move on.

Hopefully, Brands is in place early since we need someone to attract the right players. Walsh was all right getting the odd good player, but when it came to the big buys, he was out of his league and hadn't the necessary presence, going along with the follow-up.

The team we need is defensively minded, who can quickly change to offensive play and be relentless in attack. I remember being at Tottenham at the end of the season. Only they could stop Everton winning the league. Tottenham looked good, but Everton persistently came back at them with a vengeance. Those were the days.

I have my own personal favourite candidate but I shall firstly wait for the announcement with sheer joy, that Allardyce has gone followed by the naming of our new manager, shortly after.

The lack of urgency makes me feel that Brands, has been lined up to work with Silva, for a while, but football is full of surprises so who knows?

I also think Huddersfield are one of the worst premier lge teams I have ever seen, so that's a good call off Laurie, and shows how much there should be to consider, when making such an important decision on selecting a new manager?

Yes there are cases for/against him, and plenty of people have put forward convincing arguments for the all his positives and history before his PL years, which I think are as valid as the negatives.

As per my first paragraph, it just feels like we're bottom-feeding again, which given Everton's status as a club these days, might well be all we're entitled to.

Watford, had a nearly new team once again, and only once Everton, turned their managers head, did there results really suffer. I thought they were the much better team at Goodison, before our crowd got really engaged for the only time this season, but maybe defence his this managers Achilles heel?

I remember Watford tearing Chelsea to shreds at Stamford bridge this season, with football I haven't witnessed for a long time off an Everton team. Full of pace, movement, forward passing, but very bad finishing, which might have possibly contributed to them losing the game more than bad defending

I actually think the initial paper links to Silva were just the usual lazy journalism. He was the guy they were after last time, so let's start with him. Winning one game in eleven before getting the sack is a relevant data point. But then, this is Everton and we hired a manager who had just got his team relegated!

When he took over we were 13th, and he dragged us up to 8th. The difference in prize money between those finishing positions is circa 㾶 million.

So after paying Sam off, that leaves us with almost enough to finance the sacking of the next guy as well :)

In the end I went with Silva based on Steve Ferns's in depth piece. But all said and done, Fonseca, Silva or anybody else...its still a gamble.

We have to hope Moshiri gets it right

It also means that whoever gets the job will have fans moaning, “I wanted Emery”
“Howe is 4th after 3 games, we are 14th!”
“Silva has got West Ham into the top 6and we are stuck with this Koeman mk2”

It is a plain, bald fact .It will go on and on, whoever we choose.

It is difficult for Moshiri to please everyone, when the best showing in the poll is 16%

84% prefer someone else, and about 90% don't want their preferred candidate either!

Whoever gets it I will give 100% support to. After Koeman and Allardyce any of them on the list will be a better option.

My vote goes for Silva, even though 87% would rather have someone else.

The massive differences of opinion will probably mean that whoever comes will get criticised to within an inch of his life on here. Non stop.

Can Evertonians be patient ? Can we accept dips in form and incremental progress?

You will have to .

Any appointment represents a gamble in my eyes, there are no guarantees, each potential candidate probably has few failures or bad seasons on their C.V. as well as the successes.

Different Leagues, different players and different pressures can all contribute to success or failure in equal measure.

At the end of the day, Moshiri will appoint who he thinks is the right man for the job, what we think as fans, or who we want will have little or no influence on that.

Many of us, and quite rightly so have questioned Steve Walsh's recommendations and signings, and querying why he hasn't been given the boot already. Quite simply, he was Moshiri's choice, so dismissal would be an admission by Moshiri that he had goofed big style.

Maybe he is waiting for the alleged, and much anticipated arrival of Marcel Brands, to assist him in making, what will be key decisions in the forthcoming week or so.

Which is equally worrying if the next Manager is down to him alone, as he has more than proved he knows little about Football, and even less about Everton Football Club.

Yeah, he was a red... but so is little Sam and besides. Benitez has managed several clubs since those RS days.

I hope whoever it is, that they are ready to jump in, dedicate 110%, innovate, and have a plan as to what they want, both style and playet wise.

Glad we are going to have a go with another manager though as his football just doesn't inspire any hope that we would win anything - even on our day.

What's just as interesting as the manager is their coaching team - who would Silva bring ?

Completely different matter for a proven coach, ie Silva. So I think things are happening as we speak regarding the new manager and Brands, to see if they are comfortable with one another.

Not sure what CV record you are looking at before he went to the premiere league:

Estoril - played 116 only lost 31 and got them to win the second tier Championship
Sporting - played 57 only lost 7 and won the cup
Olympiacos - played 48 only lost 7 and won the league

You're quite right! Even more urgency then as you say.

I think Wenger would get the required patience and respect from the fans also due to his knowledge of English football and style of play , and patience from the fans is very very important .

I'm not convinced Silva or even Fonseca would gain those same patience if things weren't going great come Christmas and it could quickly turn into another ugly season but time will tell obviously, it will be a very intriguing period.

I feel Silva is a good bet. Watford were playing good football before we approached him, and their squad isn't exactly full of worldbeaters. With some high quality additions I think we will prosper with him at the helm. And I think he would be very good for our young 'uns as well... He seems good at man-management. I think he can turn Lookman, Vlasic et all into very good players.

But what a relief it is to see the back of Allardyce! That's the best part of it all...

The big challenge for the new manager is the playing staff. There are a lot of players too old for the premier league now, there's players that are simply not good enough, and there's players with potential but who are not quite ready. It's really not a good mix and one new manager coming in will not be able to fix all of that in 6-8 months.

We are a huge rebuilding project and not even Pep could come into this squad of players and get them fighting for 4th spot. Silva (or whoever it is) needs a lot of time and all of our support.

Let's put this nasty episode behind us and get back to supporting the blues through thick and thin. As long as we see the passion and fight return then I'll be happy and patient.

Next up for me is Emery. Proved he can get the best and over achieve with Saville as well as manage the big egos and expectations at PSG. At the same time playing good attacking football on the ground. I'm sure Arsenal and Chelsea will go for him.

However we previously chased Silva so I'd be surprised if he wasn't still the main target. I'll give him credit for quickly implementing his style of football at Hull and Watford which is far more pleasing to watch.

However the goals they shipped by defenders messing on the ball overplaying is a definate issue he needs to learn and be prepared to change style and players when it matters.

I'll take 2 years of 10th, avoiding relegation scraps and hopefully giving youth a chance whilst he learns over the Sam football. Then hopefully we can move onwards and upwards towards European football before the stadium move.

Definitely back to the Martinez entertaining football, goals at both ends and after the dross of this season I'm more than happy with that. NSNO

It's kinda hit or miss even for guys with a good CV.

I like the work of people like Eddie Howe and Sean Dyche although no trophies but much will be expected no matter who comes in.

I suppose Silva is the obvious one just now but what happened at Watford after Everton's approach last time is something I wasn't impressed with.

We can all find fault with many of the names bandied around but you need a man with motivational skills who has the know how to formulate strategies that utilizes the best of the players you have.

Mancini did that at Leicester and then one season later was sacked, unfairly in my opinion.

Finishing eighth wasn't bad because the way Everton performed in many games warranted relegation.

A new man will no doubt do his own''Spring Cleaning''
so let's hope it works out well for whoever gets the hot seat.

No candidate is going to please everyone but I genuinely believe that if you do some proper digging that the portents for Silva look promising. Still a risk of course but if we are looking for our own Pochetinno then he looks the closest thing to me.

It was Ranieri that did it at Leicester not Mancini.

I doubt Everton would pursue either of these two though.

Wenger has said he wants time to consider his options (we need a manager pronto). He's also said he's interested in international management and would struggle to manage a team against Arsenal. I reckon he'll take a national job after the WC and maybe another team after that experiment.

Why would Arteta leave his job as apprentice at City to be apprentice at Everton? Surely he'll stay learning from the master till he gets his own manager job? Plans to 'take over the reins' often fail to materialise for number 2s at any rate.

I was just trying to stop the Silva supporters from laying into me by covering myself saying that about his previous record - then ironically you pull me up on it anyway!

This is the problem with TW, it doesn't matter who you back, or how you try to cover every avenue when you post, someone will always, without fail pull you up on it.

I don't like the idea of Silva, just for the record, based on, well, his record.

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Now unlike some I take huge pride in what EiTC do. But this is a bad-bad-BAD appointment if true.

To crib from Meat Loaf, in this case 'two outta three IS bad'.

If Moshiri opts for this, he still isn't 'getting' what we need.

No way on this plant does she have the necessary skill set a 21st century CEO of a PL club requires.

If you ask me, Finch Farm would be the place I would start. There are proven bad apples there. Whether that's the old guard, or new squad members, we don't know. I would ask why Duncan Ferguson is still a first team coach after being part of these failed regimes? Does someone insist he is kept on? If so, how does that work if the new manager doesn't get on with him? Undermined from the very beginning.

One thing is clear, whatever we have been doing isn't working, and is unlikely to get us past 7th position. Will there be wholesale changes? I mean coaching staff, playing staff, even the fucking chef. The whole place is rotten if they've managed to piss off all these managers. Identify the problems and eradicate them. Until then, we can look forward to another bucketful of dross for the foreseeable.

I just want to start looking forward to going to the game again and as soon as FS goes I will.

no worries it is good to debate and hear opinions of other ToffeeWebbers and the arguments that everyone has. If we had Pep we would all still be arguing the pros and cons.

I totally agree the rumour is that Denise Barrett-Baxendale is to replace Elstone, and running a charity is a lot different from running a Premiership club. There is no doubt she has done a terrific job with EITC, but for this role you need someone who understands all aspects of a football club. You only need to look at Manchester United when they brought in Woodward as Ceo to replace Gill, he really struggled at first, and they changed their manager and CEO at the same time with Moyes taking over from Ferguson. Maybe the role of our CEO will be different when Brands comes in as DOF.

For those unsure of who our next manager should be I would suggest you read what El Pivote says when comparing Fonseca and Silva a very well researched piece on both men. H e believes either will do a terrific job at Everton. I hear Moshiri is flying in today to meet Allardyce and maybe he will announce our new manager and DOF before the weekend.

He has about as much idea about the defensive side of the game as El Bob.

This itself is great news, enjoy the moment and thank the Lord we do not have this guy here next season.

I for one am not even going to worry about the next manager for a few Days, I am going to chill out and take in the moment when Sam finally leaves our club.

Interesting who, whom will be driving the qwest for the new manager..If Marcel Brands will be joining the club let's hope that he and the new 1st team manager will be able to get on.

Many tales from FF about how RK and SW didn't get on, so hopefully new order at GP and FF, by this weekend, and we start the new season with a purpose.

Moshiri is a fecking clown who, unfortunately chose to make Kenwright rich beyond his imagination. No forgiveness there then.

Believe me, we are the new Aston Villa and will suffer the same fate. I shall not bet nor post against the club or its minders but just learn to enjoy my winters in a clement climate without caring a shit about how Everton continues to implode.

Love you all for putting up with me. Let's just hope I've got it all wrong.

I agree it probably will never happen in a month of Sunday's, just saying it would be the radical change that Everton crave really badly.

Silva is a young manager so maybe he will prove himself a good'un but it's not one that fills us with a major amount of confidence after what's just happened this season to the men in charge.

However, he's much older. He's no longer with his old right hand man, paco ayestran? He's also managed the RS and would not survive a significant downturn in form.

Furthermore, he's criticised for full football, he whinges a lot, and ends up upsetting the players.

Like Mourinho and Ancelotti, I don't think Benitez is the manager he once was.

So no, I wouldn't take him.

I'm sure someone will be able to give me the low down on why she's not fit to be CEO.

While I'm delighted about Allardyce going (if the rumours are actually true) I'm starting to worry about two of the three rumoured appointments.

I'm sorry, but I just don't see anything on Silva's CV which elevates him above other candidates for the role. Anyone would win the league managing Olympiacos in Greece and, if you manage Sporting Lisbon, there's a good chance you'll win something there too.

Patchy record at Hull - played 22, won 8. And even worse at Watford - played 26, won 8. Why is he the go-to guy for the current 8th best team in the country, with one of the biggest histories and levels of expectation?!

And then there's the CEO position. Denise Barrett-Baxendale has done a wonderful job with EitC, and she's clearly an academic and a very intelligent lady. She's a real asset to the club. I don't, however, see anything in her CV which indicates she's the best person to run a £170m business in in the cut-throat world of elite sport. We need an experienced, hard-nose, go-getter who can make things happen thanks to their experience and business connections and, with all due respect, that person isn't Denise.

So I'm sat here worrying that Moshiri really doesn't know what he's doing.

If it wasn't for his RS connection he would be way ahead probably.

Would you forgive him his wind up ‘small club' comments if we finished top 6 and above Liverpool next season with him as manager?

Right now we need a manager who is not divisive. Which ever of the other candidates we appoint, we will all be behind them. There's no preconceptions with them, ie things to make you instantly dislike them. Such as Benitez RS days and Allardyce's history (on and off the pitch). This means the new manager can unify the entire fan base if they get a good start, and unless it's an instant five defeats in a row, then we are likely to be forgiving up until Christmas. We need unity now, as much as anything.

To be honest I don't know much about Silva. I'm not totally enamoured with his record but after Steve Ferns research he may be a good fit. We need to be realistic as to who we get. We are not going to get top level like Emery. Maybe a young hungry manager like Silva, who is only 40 will kick start us. Any appointment is a gamble but we need to give the next manager some time to sort out the mess we are in. I don't necessarily agree that the players are completely useless, they need someone with a plan to get them playing again with a bit of verve, commitment and style. Football is not rocket science. Get the crowd onside by showing you care and that's half the battle. Average players can become good ones given the right training, we onky have to look across the park to see that.

Anyway Allardyce has gone so let's look forward now and hope whoever comes in can get the crowd excited. That's not too much to ask is it?

http://trainingground.guru/articles/meet-the-members-of-team-silva

I bet he wishes he kept his mouth shut now.

Your recommendation by any chance ? :-)

He hired Koeman because he believed that his name and stature in world football matched Klopp, Guardiola and Mourinho - wrongly as his tactical nous and man management skills proved poor. Hiring a manager like Silva shows he has scaled back his aspirations significantly.

We we're made up for Unsy that he got a shot at caretaker boss (from u21 coach, not deputy manager even) when Koeman got the heave-ho, so what's the difference? What's so unusual about a deputy being considered as a likely candidate to step-up? She'll know the club inside out for starters...

It's not Silva's job to be universally popular on day 1, his job is to be universally popular at the end of year 3 because of performances on the pitch.

"Is there a problem with Denise Barrett-Baxendale being our next CEO? I'm sure someone will be able to give me the low down on why she's not fit to be CEO."

I'll take you up on the challenge, Michael.

Her background and core skills are firmly based in the world of academia. In her profile on the official club site, it flags up nothing about her business skills or acumen, but rather primarily describes her as "16 years working in education and fulfilled a variety of academic and leadership roles within Higher Education".

It is actually very difficult to uncover much detail about her qualifications or work experience outside the known of her time at Everton. She is listed as having a BA (Hons), an MBA and Phd, but in what I don't know.

There is no evidence - none whatsoever - that she has the experience or necessary multiple skill sets to head or effectively manage and juggle the many plates that comes with being the CEO of a PL club in the 21st century.

I respect her work with EiTC. It earnt her a gong from the Queen - an MBE - for 'Services to the Community of Merseyside'.

There are far, far better qualified candidates out there with proven success as CEOs of a sports franchise.

This appointment, if true, smacks of an old school Everton type of appointment from within.

Perhaps you, Michael, would like to expand on why, as you presume, DB-D "combines a business head with a wider perspective on our role in the community, and is a true blue to boot."

What is your evidence of such a claim and how does being 'a true blue to boot' seemingly prequalify her over other possible candidates in your eyes..?

Think you need to take a chill pill.

Yes, actually after posting I did a bit more research and like you could come up with very little actual business experience. However, she will be able to teach the children to play nicely, which might come in handy.

Personally I wanted someone who had the experience of growing a business and even the trauma of moving sites in in their resume.

However with potentially two maybe three, the chairmans, positions to be filled I can see the logic in an in-house appointment to retain ‘Everton' knowledge.

My preference is for a candidate who is proactive, realizes the need for excellent communication and has the commercial improvement at the heart of the role, focused on the ground move.

We will see. 👀

I am impressed by what I sense is his personality interwined with his management ethic. Committed, passionate, heart on his sleeve, comes across and is reported as having a extremely likable character. He is also a bit of a maverick (sacked for not wearing the club suit?!) Sort of silly nonsense I might have done in my younger days. But the most impressive aspect for me is (was) the passion and style with which he conducted himself in his after match interviews.The discussions were always about the game and from an attack minded and fitness perspective. I recall one interview shortly after Niasse had joined him and he was saying what a wonderful guy Niasse was as a person, and how appreciative he was in being able to "enjoy his football again without feeling any stress to perform outside his skill-set, just being fit enough and encouraged to enjoy expressing his skills as only he knows how the rest just follows naturally". Another article I read somewhere was he feels the team is a performing unit as a result of the sum of its parts, not a rigid pre-structured unit which the players are 'trained' to adapt to. Can't see Allardyce getting that concept at all!

There are obvious big changes coming. I think Silva could really thrive at Everton with a strong DOF and well structured environment around him. In spite of all the negativity generated by Allardyce and his crew I think the Club has many solid and positive aspects; the fans, the future prospects, the strength of character of Moshiri to keep his focus, the Finch Farm set up, EITC, Seamus Coleman (for captain?) etc.

Also not to be dismissed as 'shallow' is a sense of natural 'style' or charisma. One of the drawbacks for Allardyce was his complete lack of style which by nature can reflect into perceptions, relationships, confidence and so on. I could just not imagine being 'inspired by Sam and Sam' and I am sure footballers in their 20's would probably feel this even more.

Here's hoping - COYB

If a bloke had been doing her job there would be many on here clamouring for him to get the CEO's job. It's like that old Harry Enfield sketch ‘Women know your place' !! FFS it's the 21st century who cares whether the CEO is male or female - all that matters is how well they do the job.

It's dinosaur thinking that led us to appoint Allardyce- and personally I think it's high time this club stopped resembling a museum of navel gazing nostalgia and moved forward.

The new gaffer will need a substantial war chest to turn things around.

Oh how I hope to see us streaming forward in wave upon wave of attack next season.

I might even get exited and that hasn't been something I've felt since...

Three reasons 1) he doesn't last that long anywhere as he is either sacked or resigns 2) starting off with 87% of Everton fans not actively backing him (per the ToffeeWeb poll today) means he is sunk before he starts 3) His track record gives no indication that he will break top 5. If we hire him, I will back him 100%. But my honest view is we are squandering more years bringing him him.

Liverpool hired Klopp when 7th and we hire Silva while 8th? Says everything about the ambitions of the clubs.

How so? Because the previous season in finishing 7th we gathered 61 points. We trailed United in 6th place on 69 points by 8 points. Arsenal were 14 points better off in 5th with 75 points.

This season, Arsenal fell away badly in the league compared to previous seasons. They finished 6th on a mere 63 points - a difference of just 2 points compared to our points tally of the previous season.

Just a marginal improvement on the previous season could have seen us leapfrog the mighty Arsenal into 6th. We all know the reasons why that didn't happen.

By contrast, we ended the season with our second worst goals against tally in a 38 game PL season (58 - Walter Smith's Everton conceded 59 in 2000-2001).

We had the 6th worse defence in the league. Even the likes of relegated Swansea and WBA conceded less than us, as did other relegation-threatened teams such as Huddersfield, S'ton, Palace and Newcastle.

Each and every season, the teams with the worst defences are always under risk of relegation. This is of paramount importance at Everton for next season when considering the next manager.

Because since selling 'the useless lump' (sigh...shakes head in remorse) aka as Lukaku, our goals for column has also suffered. We have to go way back to HKIII's last ever season as Everton manager - 1997-98 41 goals scored - and the first season of Walter Smith - 1998-99 42 goals scored - to recall when we have scored less goals in a 38 game season.

Ergo, we don't score enough goals to turn around games. We barely score at a goal a game, but concede at nearly 1.6 goals a game.

Taken altogether, there is a huge, HUGE rebuilding job required at Everton.

Old school Mike Bassett-type English managers no longer cut it. 'Philosophers' like Martinez won't cut it.

I agree with Steve Ferns we need a 'hands on' coach at Finch Farm. But that alone won't serve our needs. We also need someone who can balance their coaching skills with cold hard pragmatism.

Because otherwise we could be in danger of 'philosophising' and erroneously 'sticking to our principles' all the way to the Championship.

Almost all the reservations are around her lack of experience in the sports field .

I am particularly concerned how she would deal with transfer negotiations as I'm hoping this will be a major part of the role.

Total and absolute bollocks Ed!

The ability to motivate, co-ordinate and communicate with a group of relatively young guys and meld them into a team." I agree with that, provided it is allied with a proven track record of success at the highest level - that is a heavy hitter. Being successful is usually linked to the qualities you cited, although I don't think it correlates that only young managers can develop young teams. Otherwise, Fergie wouldn't have succeeded in bring in Scholes, Beckham, Neville, Butt at the same time.

1) He stayed 3 years at Estoril. He did an extraordinarily good job for them.

2) Every manager has at least 80% going the other way! Does that mean we shouldn't have any of them?!

3) Which managers do have a track record of getting mid table teams into the top 5? Are you gunning for Moyes?!

I agree with what your saying and as I have said earlier his past record outside the prem is very good and have read numerous articles from different players saying nothing but high praise of Silva.

Funny old game innit?

I just want to be entertained for a change. Not by the opposition would be nice too.

Sorry. This was the table 4 days prior to Silva taking over at Hull City.

An old narcissistic oaf who never gets any better or any worse. A one trick pony who cannot evolve beyond his own ego.

Therefore if Silva is a manager who has the ability to lift the team, get them playing to their strengths, create a great atmosphere and bring both a training and playing philosophy capable of challenging any team. Then that is all that is expected of his role.

Brands is the bigger signing in my opinion. Walsh fucked up. We are left with the shit he signed staining the very fabric of our cloth.

My fear is that if he remains then Walsh might fuck up again. The likes of Troy Deeney and his Watford cronies signing on to appease Silva brings a huge worry.

Come the summer months I want to see Ziyech and or Carvalho in our midfield. I want a big defensive and forward signing.

We have the money, we have the history (if you know yours) and we have the ambition (hence why Allardyce ain't good enough).

Our last season was trial and error. I think looking back we will attribute this season as the moment Everton FC broke the little boy syndrome and finally realised what level of ruthlessness is required to be a man in a big boy's league.

Good old Bill. Everton is where the heart is, but sadly, an empty trophy cabinet also resides at L4. "A Charity, with a football club attached" has never been so apt. Nice though, isn't it? Anyone wanna buy a raffle ticket?

The performance he got out of that dreadful team landed him the opportunity at Watford. He had them playing very well until we came in for him. Watford played hardball and it derailed their season. Personally I care much more about the successes he has had and the way he has his teams play. I would be excited to see what he can do with Lookman, Walcott, Klaassen, Sigurdsson, Tosun and even Sandro. Given just a couple of quality signings I believe he'd have us playing exciting and winning football.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeomHPQz5ko

Have a look at what the manager did at Crystal Palace the same season. Took over when they were a point off the relegation places, having lost 8 out of their last 10, and finished six points clear of relegation after thumping Silva's Hull 4-0. Yes, that would be our very own Fat Sam.

So we're swapping a successful relegation specialist for a failed one. Great.

I echo your thoughts on so many levels, apart from the history. Ours is irrelevant to currently playing footballers, and means nothing in their lifetime.

While we cling to it, it gets further and further away from us, and means quite literally nothing to non-Evertonians and people under 30.

We can bang the drum and bleat on about how great we were in 30's, 60's or 80's but none of that means anything anymore. Everton needs to look to the future, not the past.

As we have said, we are not Hull. Avoiding relegation is not of any interest to us. We'd be swapping a dour dinosaur of the game for someone who has already won more silverware than that dinosaur and plays much better football and had little Watford flying until we came in for him and the team became unsettled.

As I've said before, there may be a good case to be made for giving Silva a chance, but the case is not based on what he's done in the UK.

She doesn't need to be a football person, she just needs to understand what is needed and recruit accordingly. They do the work the CEO looks at the big picture.

First why do you assume he would bring anyone from Watford, and you also mention you would like us to sign Carvalho in midfield. Well who do you think managed Carvalho at Sporting Lisbon, yes Marco Silva.

DDB has managed one facet of the club, not the primary function and but I would say that its more likely in a club like Everton that Elstone dealt with day to day issues rather than planning. Why? well lets face in, any impact decisions are made by the board and the CEO has to implement.
Its DDB organisational skill, personnel management and commercial nous which will be to the fore, Brands will handle the players, contracts, transfers etc..
Has she the skillset to do that? Don't know, but then only those around her and above her will.

I agree, and in six months time, those who either turned us down or were never on our list of candidates will be highlighted on here as the managers we should have gone for and how short-sighted the owner/club was in missing out on them.

Be done with it Mosh, either retain Sam or re-appoint David Moyes it will at least unite the fans. Joking honestly Joking!

"Go go Silva away... Ride into tomorrow today and who was that masked man you say . It was Fonseca.

I'll get my hat.

Ooh touch a nerve did I.? DBB is currently Deputy CEO so therefore it's not that strange to expect her to step up. The fact that her background is in education and academia does not invalidate her as a suitable CEO. Everton FC are a social enterprise as well as a business and of course a football club. Indeed Everton FC were originally formed as a social enterprise - if you know your history? The work that EiTC do in the community promotes the Everton brand effectively.

How the fuck do you know she wouldn't be an excellent CEO? - you don't , I don't either Perhaps we should get a ruthless business leader - Bills mate, Phillip Green - anyone? The CEO is an important public facing role at a football club in terms of marketing and communication. Are you saying that's currently done effectively by Elstone.

So Jay, I am amused at why you getting so riled- why are you? The reason that many women don't get the chances to lead large organisations is that they are never given a chance to

I want to be as optimistic about the future as the rest of you but until the hand of BK is finally wrestled off Everton Football Club and we start afresh without his influence hovering over everything that is said, decided or done, then we will probably be all writing the same next year.
There is nothing optimistic in a project that he will have a say in.

Just enjoy the train ride until it crashes or maybe, just maybe, reaches the station!

I share your reservations over his flightiness and how quickly he was prepared to leave Watford (although, when you see how quickly the Pozzos hire and fire managers, I can't blame him too much!) but what he did at Hull suggests it would have been enough to keep them up had he been there longer.

The reality is that none of those people would want to come here. Everton is not as big a club as we may want to think they are. Not right now, anyway.

Would you have kept any of those you've mentioned?

My concern is that we're trying to turn Silva's unsuccessful fire-fighting at Hull and, let's be honest here, failure at Watford into something noble, while we look at Allardyce's similar - well, actually, much better - record at the same kind of clubs and hurl abuse at him. I didn't want Allardyce, and, while I acknowledge he has done a reasonable job in difficult circumstances, I'm glad to see the back of him, but there's something of a whitewash going on with Silva's record while we blacken Allardyce's name with vitriol.

Silva clearly has something about him that may be worth taking a punt on, but I'm not sure we should be stretching the facts to suit our narrative.

The new man needs divine help.

Or to win a lot.

You flatter yourself. No nerves touched. Not riled in the least.

Your earlier post referenced nothing of your latest offering.

The absolute and total bollocks I referred to was you somehow claiming opposition to DBB was gender bias.

I stand by that. Your post @ 198 spouts absolute and total bollocks, all fabricated by YOU.

Michael (269), by the same token, Allardyce's record was achieved with better players and, for 3/4 of his time, without any real threat of us going down. Silva at least ensured that Hull had a real go whereas Allardyce played it safe far too often. Even if all things between them were equal, I'd still take a young, ambitious manager (be it Silva, Fonseca, Arteta, whoever) with unrealised potential over a staid presence like Allardyce whose ceiling of achievement is pretty well established.

Even Lyndon fancies him. poor ToffeeWeb !

Without knowledge of what Pochettino has achieved at Spurs, how many top 6 clubs do you think would look at him if they were purely going on his prior record – W76, L88? Sometimes you see potential in someone and get the right feeling off them when you talk to them and hear them spell out their vision.

Arsenal appear to be seriously looking at Mikel Arteta who hasn't even managed an U23s side let alone managed in Portugal, Greece and two clubs in the Premier League like Silva has. I would say that simply hiring him on the basis that he's been working under Guardiola for a couple of years is a massive risk but they clearly have some faith in him.

Since you ask, it wouldnt bother me if Allardyce stayed, Matinez tried playing like Barcelona/Man City but without their players, Koeman was a bad egg and I agree he had to go.
I've given my opinion umpteen times where I believe our problems lie and its 90% in the quality of the players.

Howe? He struggled at Burnley and apparently moved back down south because he was homesick. Is he tactically flexible enough to manage a top-six team? The lack of interest in him from the likes of Arsenal and Chelsea suggests he might be.

When Rhino's team took to the field against Watford. they were in a state of shock. Koeman had drained the players of all confidence. Yet despite being gifted a 2-0 lead, Watford folded to an Everton team so completely devoid of belief and confidence they could only offer passion.

I don't buy any of this nonsense, Silva was able to get a tune out of a Hull team when they had nothing to lose. but he didn't fancy his chances of getting them back up when the pressure was on

Rather than regurgitate the nonsense we read on kids websites portraying him as some sort of tactician. Why don't we ask ourselves why we are even considering a man who fell apart at the mere prospect of landing the Everton Job. What would he be like if he actually got the gig ?

WIde berth, we've had enough second raters to last us a life time

Silva isn't perfect, but we're unlikely to land an absolute A1 proven manger, and I just hope whomever arrives is backed. Well unless it's Big Ron or 'Appy 'Arry.

He has been hounded out of Arsenal because their supporters believe his ideas are old and stale.

He, like Sam, is being labeled a dinosaur in modern footballing terms, yet many are still clamouring to appoint him.

Ladies and gents, ask yourself - is he the future?

Do we want to be revisiting this again in a couple of seasons.

I, for one, want us to build a dynasty - something akin to the much vaunted "boot-room" across the park.

To do that we need a fresh manager with fresh ideas. Someone relatively youthful and full of vigour.

Whether or not that turns out to be Silva - I don't know - but it is most certainly not Wenger.

He was sacked by Sporting for not wearing the right suit, not based on performance.

So we're left with a washed-up has-been, or someone with potential. And you can churn out all the skewed confirmation-biased statistics you want, poor old Moshiri has to go on his instincts as to which one has the most potential.

I don't envy him.

Can't wait for the next ride to start, though.

Come off the fence and nail your colours to the mast. You must have a preference.

Come and join the merry 13% of us Silva Surfers .

Im planning tea and biscuits together every 2nd Thursday at 11 am. We'll buy some Viscounts especially.

However a more important aspect in the matter is how did the players react to the knowledge that their manager wanted to move to us? I think that is a much bigger reason to why they went on that slump...

The only good thing about Allardyce is that the hatred of him basically united about 95% of ToffeeWeb. He hasn't even been officially sacked yet and it's already reverted back to Lord of the Flies on here.

It's impossible to know, obviously, but if you look at his almost immediate impact at Estoril and Hull, there's at least a precedent for him starting a job strongly even if one of the knocks against him is that he fades thereafter.

Again, I'm not seeking to whitewash his record at all. Having got so close, Hull fell apart in the final few games of 2016-17, starting with a disastrous home defeat to Sunderland. Was that Silva's initial magic wearing off, reality catching up with a poor team, a poor reflection on the manager? I don't know. Watford also collapsed once it emerged that Silva's focus had been lost and, perhaps, the squad had been destabilised by him giving a couple of players the nod that he might be off.

What I am saying is that he did have a big impact at Hull, did an excellent job in Greece (admittedly a weak league but then so is Ukraine's with regard to Fonseca), won silverware at Sporting and performed a minor miracle with Estoril (who just got relegated again this season after he took them up and into the Europa League) a few years ago.

Does any of that mean he will be a success at Everton? I don't think there's nearly enough evidence to say with conviction either way. The same is true of a dozen other names you could mention. Which is why I'm so undecided...!

I prefer not to argue about Everton managers with Darren, but something intrigues me about Silva, and it might be that Watford, who don't seem to really care who manages them, were supposed to have knocked back a 㾸/15 million bid off Everton, for his services?

Back to Rhino, Darren, he was falling apart imo, but hopefully if Silva, is to get the job, then he will have seen what an Everton crowd, is capable of doing for the team first hand, because that's what won Everton that game last Bommy night mate!

Its the easiest thing to say I don't fancy xxxxxxxx to manage our club and then at some point you will be proved right because usually all managers at some point get the sack. Then you can quote posting on 15th May 2018 you didnt want xxxxxxxx and you were right. To be honest whoever we get us match going fans need to take back our passion for our club. I am sick and tired of the other lot being hailed as magnificent fans despite all their misdemeanors. Goodison has been overly quiet for far too long with good reason with the dross we have had to watch. So maybe we need to get back our voices nad make Goodison no visiting teams like to come too. I know the team have to show that passion as well, I just hope the new manager connects with the fans something the last 2 havent done.

My only reservation with Silva is his judgement. Why go to Watford, who sack managers on a whim? Maybe after the madhouse of Hull, he thought it would be easier? Maybe, like most coaches, he thought he'd be the one who changes things?

Much for Moshiri to ponder.

However, whoever it is please no 5 year megsbucks contract. I doubt very much we'll get one of the top managers so let's not take another punt and end up paying a fortune if it goes pearshaped

I know some find it difficult to do but if the guy is to become our manager should we not just try to, you know, support him until at least after a pre-season's training and, if he's allowed, some of his own signings?

It's way too easy to look forward with hind-sight and slag him off before he's even signed up, sure on the balance of probabilities that if the guy doesn't crack CL qualification and/or playing attractive football you'll again be able to gloat, "I told you so, I told you so!"

I can accept all other reservations but not that they folded due to anything in the managers control.

Thank you

After a dozen games, we only have to see a few decent performances and whomever will have our full support. Win a Derby and he'll get the season. Win an away Derby and he'll get a 5 year deal.

Just wake us from this footballing purgatory, and get the atmosphere back at GP.

https://www.cmjornal.pt/desporto/detalhe/academia-do-sporting-invadida-por-adeptos-de-cara-tapada?ref=HP_Destaque

God know what they'd do if they supported Everton - Semi automatics perhaps?

Maybe Silva, went to Watford because he doesn't like staying in one place for too long? But if he does come to Everton, then let's hope that changes.

Are you really claiming the Goodison crowd beat Watford ? So what or who, stirred them ? Rhino hadn't the time to prepare tactics, he could only demand passion from his troops against a team riding very high on confidence. Yes it got the crowd going but it was the passion from the players on the pitch which saw off the over rated Silva and his tactical know how. Just as it was passion that saw off very over rated GT.

The old lady has only really rocked four times since Moshiri took over and Rhino (despite taking over other peoples car crash's) was in charge of three of them. No coincidence that.

What a pity the guy who REALLY turned our season around isn't even being considered. I'm sure he would have a lot more to offer if he was given a little more time with his players rather than just try to inject some fight and belief into players who had been turned into Zombies.

Rhino will always be blamed by a section of the fanbase for being hammered in a cup we were already out of, in a game everyone connected to the club just wanted out of the way and the heavy defeat at St Mary's when the entire defence was decimated through injury. Very, very short sighted in my view, but enough, it seems, to take him out of the reckoning

The guy knows how to get the old lady bouncing and that alone, for me at least, would give him a huge advantage over some of the jokers being mentioned

Especially Mr P45

Link

BK still in place as chairman. John Woods replaced by Keith Harris as his deputy, with particular responsibility (in his own words) of 'taking the lead in the Club's most important projects, from first-team football matters to the new stadium project.'

DB-B promoted to CEO but there is no description on her areas of responsibility. No reference of a new deputy CEO in her place.

Moshiri's hit man Alexander (Sasha) Ryazantsev takes responsibility for the Club's Financial and Commercial performance. He is quoted as saying:

"I'm really pleased to be taking up the position of Chief Finance and Commercial Officer and to be supporting Denise in the running of this great Football Club. We're all fully committed to making the most of the opportunities we have, including growing our commercial revenues and delivering a new stadium, while ensuring we run the business in a sustainable way. This new structure presents us with clear lines of responsibility and accountability and provides us with a strong platform to move forward from."

Not the completely new broom and sweeping away of the old as some of us hoped for.

Tut, tut such bile - you never did give a reason why she shouldn't be CEO did you? well she is now, so perhaps Moshri who is a business man rates her more than you do.

What is exactly irking you? Having a CEO who has worked in education, has a doctorate in Leadership? Has done a good job already at Everton? Or has no bollocks to use your favourite word.

I think it was the right thing to do to hang on to Sam Allardyce till the end of the season. Enough of a circus around here.
As for the next manager, the apparent instability of Marco Silva has to be put into perspective. Greek and Portuguese football chairmen are not, by and large, known to be staunch defenders of stability and continuity, perhaps with the exception of the Porto chairman, who seems to be a legend on those shores. The Hull City job was given to Silva for only half the season, or he had an option to leave, and it doesn't strike me as impulsive to want to jump ship after being relegated. Watford is a complete nutcase under those Italians, as I'm sure the vast majority of us have not failed to notice. As for Silva concentrating on 'clean sheets', well, his record at Watford belies that. On the contrary, the team became better known for giving away leads, as happened at Goodison Park, where they were leading 2-0 with some twenty-five minutes to go, and we all know what the final score was. That happens to be my main concern about Silva.

All in all, I'd much prefer Paulo Fonseca, or even Eddie Howe, but Silva would certainly seem like an improvement on the current regime.

Watford, were good at Goodison, and even when we went in front, they were the team that was playing all the footy.

If my memory is right (it's worrying me lately) we went 4-4-2, route one, got a bit of luck with their goaly going off, and with all them red bastards setting off fireworks in Stanley Pk, our crowd knew we were in real trouble, and done what I've seen them do countless times over the years!

I honestly think that's why Silva, wanted the Everton job, because he witnessed something that night, that very few crowds in the country can match, but maybe I'm just being biased?

You can continue that conversation on your own.

Can't help you if you can't see what I took issue with and dismissed in your original post.

Happy fabricating!

I think you miss-read my post mate.

Who said anything about Silva bringing in Watford players?

I was talking about my lack of faith in Walsh. I'm aware of who managed Carvalho at Sporting. I just don't believe that Walsh would be able to pull off his signing.

I could see the guy panic buy Troy Deeney or some ex Watford player and spin it regarding tactics.

As my post stated earlier I'm pro Silva as his job is to work with the players and manage tactics. He's apparently good at that, so why not him!?

As for transfers I don't want Walsh anywhere near them.

Have a good evening.

Chelsea was a cup game and you coul dhear the players talking to each other before Williams last gasp winner. I can only assume you didn't go to the game after Martinez was sacked - fantastic carnival atmosphere. .or the west ham game where the crowd were up for it from the off.

The main thing Silva saw at Goodison was defeat,

Wenger is available, so reportedly is Benitez(I know but you could swallow what little pride we have left), Emery is available, conte is probably available. I know all the experts will come on and say why would they even consider EFC but the challenge of competing with Guardiola, Mourhino etc in the best league in the world must appeal to at least one of them especially with a big transfer kitty.

The feedback I was getting over the weekend was that Silva was a done deal but that no longer appears to be the case due to complications with Watford. Fonseca might just pip him to the post but I am just as concerned about him.

Why cant we for once think hugeeeeee.

It won't be Howe.
It definitely won't be Unsworth.
It won't be Emery, Ancelotti, Simeone, Wenger, etc.

It will be one in the ilk of Fonseca, Silva, or Conceicao.

I will give full support to whichever one it is

A different perspective on the nutcase that runs Sporting. You'll note that he blocked Benfica from taking Silva to Sporting in a straight swap of managers. Why would he do that if he thought Silva wasn't up to it. You'll also see mention of just how much a state Sporting where in. You should also note that Silva winning Sporting their first trophy for 7 years, is their only major trophy for 12 years (not counting the Portuguese Charity Shield and the much inferior version of our league cup). You could also note that the nutcase has since suspended Silva's successor and all his coaches, meantime they have the Portuguese Cup Final this weekend and no one knows what the hell is going on.

Stephen @339, Watford will argue we made an illegal approach and therefore demand compensation. Silva is currently suing Watford for 𧿘k outstanding. If Moshiri really wants him, he'll wave the chequebook and make it all disappear for a reasonably small amount. This is indicative of the Pozzos and how they run things, and should show why Silva would have jumped at the chance to manage us.

He's had a load of Barmy owners:

- De Carvalho at Sporting

- Marinakis at Olympiacos (also owns Forest now and read the daft stuff he's up to there)

- Allam at Hull (the guy who wants to change Hull City to Hull Tigers)

- The Pozzos at Watford

With a list like that you can understand why he's been looking for the right club.

Silva is Everton's choice to replace the outgoing Sam Allardyce, but the acrimony following an alleged illegal approach last November has not receded, despite the Portuguese coach's subsequent dismissal by Watford.

The Hornets want significant compensation for the disruption to their campaign and have filed an official complaint to the Premier League. In the most extreme scenario, Everton face a points deduction if the accusations of ‘poaching' are proven, but a fine is the greater possibility should it go that far.

It's never simple at Goodison is it?

It's interesting to read that Arsenal have snubbed Fonseca. Would he really choose West Ham over us? If the two Portuguese both would choose us over West Ham, it's a tough decision as to which to go for.

I go for Silva on the basis of him doing better in Portugal when the two went head to head, and that it's hard for me to get a real insight into what Fonseca actually did in the Ukraine.

I keep coming back to the fact that Silva is just a better coach. More hands on is one way of putting it. He could revolutionise this current squad, with just a few changes, and the reintegration of Lookman and Vlasic.

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Lawrence @349: This is just the Pozzos being the Pozzos. Anything they can do to make some cash or to get back at us. We won't be docked points, we just might end up paying some compo and maybe a fine. I bet the Pozzos will make a deal and it'll all go away quietly.

He's not, so I just cannot see how you dismiss Silva. He's the same, but foreign. He will be great and you will, like the rest of us, support him. By the way, would you rather have Fonseca? I don't know enough about him but posters whose views I respect lean me towards Silva.

I wonder if Bill asked for any compensation when David Moyes 'suddenly' left to go to United?

They have been in arbitration but could not come to an agreement.

If we appoint Silva I expect Watford will have a stronger case and we could get a points deduction as well as major compensation to be paid.

Is he worth it???

Second point, my opinion but not everyone else's: Benitez is ideal.

THANK YOU GOD!!!

The nightmare ends.

To be honest, I do not understand your post @340 and the 'example' you use in quoting the Independent, which is more an article about De Carvalho than Silva, especially when presented in the context of promoting him as a future manager of EFC.

In addition, is the fact that when he has failed at other clubs, always down to the owners rather than him? Is that what you are trying to promote here?

If his main claim to fame is the Estoril job Steve, then I can count numerous other examples in the past where similar or even harder 'miracles' have been performed. Check out Clough's record at Forest for instance.

It appears very likely, especially according to the bookies, that one or the other of the two Portuguese will be managing us shortly. My preference for Silva is clear. But Fonseca will more than do, and his recent record over the last two seasons is impressive, so I'll more than get behind him, even if I wonder what might have been when Silva turns up at his next club and catapults them into the big time.

We approached them for Silva, got rejected... but I think he might have be approached and agreed before hand. This threw him off his stroke... he said he had players asking him 'can I come too'... long story short; toys out the pram all around.

Watford sacked him, we maybe didn't help, but we approached and backed off when told No. They didn't have to sack him, they could've told him to pull finger and do the job he's being paid for

I think they are quite prepared to spend some legal fees and pocket a couple of Mill to settle out of court... as some are.

They didn't have to sack him... Stonewall them, bury them in paper, throw lawyers at them... nice exercise for the legal dept. Tell them to fuck off.

To be completely honest I thought Jay Wood nailed it back in post 61, but over 360 posts would suggest we either have too much time on our hands, or we find it fun.

I find it highly amusing to see people putting forward the three Portuguese managers as the answer, for no obvious reason other than they are Portuguese - Jose has a lot to answer for.

Like you, I would be happy with Howe, I find it staggering that people would ignore his starting position, yet give great sympathy to the starting position of Silva at Hull - For the sake of any doubt, its two divisions, not two places . . .two divisions. People need to stop and give that a little thought.
Here's another thought, one defied gravity and continues to do so and the other has fallen like a bag of cement thrown from a block of flats.

There is simply no comparison between the Englishman's achievements and that of the three Portuguese front runners. But it appears, for some at least, that being English means you can be dismissed simply on a hunch, but being Portuguese will get you eternal sympathy . . it utter bollocks, so is the constant referrals to tactical analysis websites to boost Silva's credentials. Why don't people judge for themselves instead of repeatedly giving somebody else's opinion ? . .Why would people make ridiculous comparisons to Martinez and Howe, do they understand what they are seeing ? or are they simply looking at their hairstyles ?

Having said all that. Jay Wood is still right. You only get to find out if you have made the wrong choice after you have made it
Whoever comes in needs to be a good fit. He needs better people supporting him. He needs all of his stars to be aligned.
We can have our fun dismissing other peoples choices, but this is not a quick paint job, its a total rebuild

We need somebody who wants to play the right way. We need somebody who will be able to cope with the pressure. We need somebody of Authority. . . but to be honest, right now, I'd trade all that for an ambitious jammy fucker . .whatever nationality

Like I said before, your own eyes, your own instincts are stronger than a stack of stats.

My choice - and looking at the latest poll update I am not alone - is Benitez.

However no doubt posters will be against him because of what he said years ago and his name doesn't end in a vowel

Any advance on three ?

He's officially gone!!!!

Happy days!

Shiny new Manager loses a few games and is sacked in October amid fan protests as we sit in the bottom three.
Unsworth takes over for two games both of which are lost.
New shiny manager takes over but is sacked in January.
Old hand manager takes over to keep us up...we hope!

Another £10m or more down the drain.

Happy face, happy face.

Now hopefully to a brighter future of decent football and the occassional victory against teams above is in the league.

New man is has a terrible mess to sort out and its got to be a long term plan. No way are we challenging top 4 next season. Id take 5th-7th some entertaining fare and a cup run or two.

Careful what you wish for comrades, let's just hope whoever was on Sam's table last night, all enjoyed the last supper!

I bloody hope so!... Never want him anywhere near us ever again.

I wouldn't mind seeing a manager unveiled before I get too excited though.

What we do next will tell us whether we're headed in the right direction or just taking a step in some direction.

Just delighted we have got rid of this blight on the club.

If you don't ask you don't get. If you don't buy a ticket then you won't win the raffle. What's the worst thing that can happen? They can only say no.

That's the word that sticks most in my mind, when I think of the Allardyce tenure at our club.

Arrogance to bullshit his way into the appointment to start with.
Arrogance to try and take credit for the West Ham performance ( we just saw your West Ham performance, Sam, and there was a 7 goal swing in favour of the opposition).
Arrogance to think he can appoint Sammy Lee to his coaching staff and not expect a reaction from the fans.
Arrogance that he can finish with less shots than 2 relegated teams and still maintain a belief that the football was acceptable.
Arrogance that he believes 8th is acceptable (even for this season - we were 8th by February).
Arrogance to think he can dupe fans with his bullshit. Evertonians are intelligent football thinkers, always have been. Despite our reservations, we would have got behind him if he had actually applied himself in the Everton way - never satisfied unless the best.

Don't know why he is shocked - but if DoF didn't know then could we be seeing the end of Walsh too ?

For me regardless of the past statements when he was an RS manager, I'd go for Benitez as he's acheived success here and on the continent.

Silva though is muted in the media as favourite to take over, but let's see. Who ever takes over has a massive challenge starting at FF, fitness, mental approach, and trying to mould a football team, off load deadwood and sign proven new CD, CF, LB, and CAM, at least.

Good luck to whom ever tales over, as he will need the full backing of the club and supporters.

Very droll, Steve Ferns.

Not even Moshiri could re-appoint Moyes...could he? could he?

Somebody reassure me!

They no longer trot out the over-achieving tag but they do continually portray us as a club that should be happy to exist in the rareified air of the Premier League. If by some miraculous turn of fortunes, Everton FC find themselves challenging the top teams, next season, it will be the same people informing us at every opportunity that we lack this or that and that we will fade away as sure as day turns to night or they will say that x or y player at Everton should move on in order to satisfy their ambitions.

With that backdrop it is important that whichever manager gets the gig, we have to unite behind that manager and get right behind the team, from the opening whistle of next season right through to the final whistle in the last game. I want to see Goodison at its best next season, I don't want to see fans staring into empty space, wondering about what they are going to have for supper, I hope to see an animated crowd in every game.

Our natural leaning towards pessimism is more than understandable, given what we have had to put up with for too many years, but we should all try a little bit harder to truly support the team to the best of our abilities, there are plenty of non Evertonians who are paid handsomely to express their mostly negative views on Everton FC, why should we continue to do that job for them, free of charge?

We the fans are Everton FC, we always care about how we play, and whether we win or not, therefore we need to do as much as we possibly can in order to help the team on the park achieve as much as it can in every match - we may not finish any higher next season than we did this, we may not have any success in the cups, but the least we can do is to show how much pride we have in our club and all the talking heads in the world shouldn't ever get in the way of that.

Phew.

Utterly drained by the circus that's its created, without any enjoyment for a season in exchange.

A regular shameful time in the clubs history.

The worst appointment ever, bar none. Will they at the top ever learn?

Onwards and upwards

I agree wholeheartedly. Well said

Slightly skewed and nonsensical I agree, but it goes to show that actually Allardyce got the same level of shit performance out of our squad as Unsworth, who in my view (now and at the time) did a terrible job.

Oddly I've been one of those saying Allardyce did what was asked of him, but having read that I'm now questioning whether I was wrong. It's starting to strike me that this squad is just bang-average no matter who's in charge.

I am hoping we pull in any money we can save sending Rooney away selling off the dead wood and begin by offering some "top drawer" managers very handsome pay deals (Ancellotti, Simeone, Emery) if they snub us so be it

But I have little faith in Silva, Fonseca and am shocked at some suggestions of Wenger?? If you want to see him bouncing his water bottle in disgust as our pushovers get spanked 5-0 that is up to you but the man is a spent force he was stinking the place out at Arsenal and that's with MORE money to spend than us.

Ruthless Chairman and Ruthless Manager please

A Champions league and UEFA cup winning manager.

On a hiding to nothing at the Magpies. Still lives in the area.

He's a world class manager and the obvious choice.

But is it a case of once a red always a red?

I also can't get past his links with the orcs, The insults would be intolerable.