Allardyce: Managers are casualties of instability in football

He is the master of mediocrity.

When the Everton away fans — our most loyal cadre — turn you at game after game... yes, they may not be the silent majority in this case, but they represent the very core of the fanbase, I would say.

There is evidence he was tutored and learned well in his comments here.

Meaningless. Yesterday's man. Gone. Move on.

But of course they weren't.

That’s the impact of money in sport. Allardyce and the stable of similar managers who produce mind numbing ‘Houdini’ act football are simply out of touch.

I strongly suspect they will fade from view in the coming years, as that gap widens at the top.

I’ll take no complaints from a man or group of managers who moan like bitches when they are recompensed so grandly for treading water, when they believe somewhat spuriously that they’ve saved your skin.

They are yesterday’s men. Move on and catch up Everton. That ladder is being hauled up as we speak!

Completely deluded if he believes anything he is saying about the supporters. I've never seen anything like the tidal wave against an Everton manager in all my years of supporting the club.

I would say that Sam, along with Pulis, Moyes, Hughes, Pardew etc have done very well out of the managerial merry-go-round.

He should be one of the most thankful men on the planet for the situation he finds himself in. As ever, he’s a spin doctor, and he’s making himself out to be hard done by yet again. Glad this clown has gone.

Move on.

Anyway, he's gone, thank God. Now for Silva joining soon.

He was a poor choice for the job, he did his best, he moved us from 13th to 8th which meant an additional £10 million in prize money so he effectively covered his own cost. He has gone. I do have a bit of sympathy for him in the sense that he can only see things the way he understands them.

Poor old John Carver got crucified at Newcastle when he said he saw himself as the "best manager in his world". Everyone missed his point which was that he obviously did everything that seemed best from his personal perspective. He obviously wouldn't deliberately do a bad job.

Same with Sam. His weight, his gruffness, his bombastic nature are irrelevant. I also feel bad for his support staff. They aren't poor per se but they are not necessarily millionaires either. Neither do they have any assurance of future income. So I would like to just let this ill-conceived era slip quietly away instead of dancing on anyone's grave.

Big Sam... but not quite a big enough man to take responsibility for his actions. He forced the club into an 18-month contract. Some of the home truths about his demand on contract, dismal stats in terms of our play, negative football, lack of improvement in individual players and dismissive attitude to the fans should all be put out there as reasons for him not being the man to take our club forward.

How best do we do that as fans or a club? While saying he bears no grudges, he is cleverly bad mouthing our club.

I've worked for 41 years - no one has ever said to me, "Here's £6m to pay out your contract."

He's a deluded self-promoting parasite making a bundle from a sport he purports to love. I bet he turns up on ITVs pundit team for World Cup duty.

Had he come in and made us an unbeatable force, playing dashing football the fans loved then the owner may have re-thought his plans, but to make out he has been unfairly treated is laughable. You did your job and walked away with an eye-watering payoff Sam. You're no victim!

From the word go there was no chemistry with the fans and the football we played under him was turgid. He did drop Williams, settle on a stable first eleven and make two relatively successful signings in Tosun and Walcott, but they weren't decisive.

I think we could have stuck with Unsworth and survived, but things were looking a bit grim at the time and there was nobody else available to steady the ship, so Moshiri wisely decided that the outlay in wages and compensation was small fry in comparison to the possibility of relegation and made a pragmatic decision. He's now made another wise decision in getting rid of Sam early on so that the new manager can have a full summer to get to grips with the job.

Here's hoping for a good selection for new manager and a successful preparation for the 2018-19 season.

Genuinely feel sorry for the fans of whatever club he finds himself at next (unless, by some miracle, it's the RS).

He can't be surprised though. It's clear that when he couldn't get his prime target, Moshiri wanted Sam to hold the fort until the end of the season while he started to put Plan B into place. The extra year's contract was the price for playing along.

I'm glad this has been sorted quickly. Now we can get on the main business of the summer.

Pat yourselves on the back, those who showed their vocal disapproval of this sham of a manager and made it clear that mediocrity is not acceptable at our Great Club, and let that be a lesson to those who sat in silence and now get to look at next season with at least some optimism and not dread.

Onwards and Upwards.

I wish Allardyce would do a Koeman and keep his trap shut.

But to answer his points:
1. Instability - has anyone profited from the sacking of managers more than this man, a 7 club Premier League manager?
2. Money - yes, he's had a lot of it, so he shouldn't bring money into it
3. Fan power - he should know how to play the game

Let's imagine for a minor tweaks. Nothing on the pitch changes. But let's imagine that Allardyce said he wasn't happy with the Swansea point, or the West Brom point, and that he agreed that the football wasn't good enough, and that he was going to push for top 6 next season.

Where would we be then? Would there have been the clamour there was to sack him? Or would the likes of myself be suffering in silence as people pointed to him taking us up the table and promises being made of further progression, signings, and more expansive football. He could then have pushed for "stability" and got himself a year's extension on his contract.

For all his PR skills, I do feel he is the author of his own downfall. But then maybe he wanted to be paid off and get back to his retirement?

Listening to some of the discussion of the manager merry-go-round on TalkSport this afternoon just highlights the farce it's all become. You couldn't produce a more engineered drama if you tried, and I really do wonder.

Just about all off-field activity and the incessant milking of it is sickening in my opinion. For now, there's still 90 minutes football in there somewhere, but following on from VAR, I wonder how long til they start to wreck that.

What next for Everton FC?

A football manager whose amassed a fortune by similar stunts at The Toon, and paid huge ransom wads at Sunderland and Palace.

He shouldn't have ever been here, and so the board hopefully has learnt a hard lesson. The club can't ever again under take such a scheme. It's been the worst season ever.

Now to find out whom our new manager will be and sewing the seeds of recovery for our club. Hope eternal at EFC!

Disgraceful appointment and it's no wonder people are falling out of love with the game if a talentless tool like him can demand that sort of money. More fool us though for paying it!

I cant say I'm overly optimistic unless Moshiri pushes the boat out in a big way in the transfer market this summer.

If you go back to the 90s, the likes of Kendall, Graham, Dalglish all won multiple trophies. They had a few downturns and they were banished to the scrap heap. Now we have a revolving door of foreign managers Who come and go plus this group of dour long ball merchants.

Samuel dear boy that pitch you used to stand next to has been trodden by some of the most exceptional footballers in history, in fact one man who was 10,000,000% a better footballer than you has just passed away he won a World Cup Winners medal and his wife and family will not have had a fraction of the wealth and opulence a mediocre money grabbing worthless clown like you have so just shut your worthless bleating and do one.

“Winning football matches first is the key element and then that brings greater entertainment value as we hopefully improve the squad as we go on in the future and building a team to play better, win more games and progress.”

In that respect, Allardyce looks like he could be hoisted by his own petard."

So, where was the entertainment value after 40 points was attained?

The more and more he speaks, the more and more I dislike him. What a pile of grandiose bollocks.

I'm very surprised that a guy I associated with Everton is actually RS. He was always very fair if that was true and gave an impression of being a blue. But then again, if you've got the job as the Everton commentator, you'd need to fake it at least!

He's done his bit, screwed a wedge out of Moshiri and now is just mouthing it. Let's just ignore the jackal and discuss something else, something more worthwhile. I'm bored of him.

At least most of us knew Allardyce was a journeyman whose only real claim of recognition was with Bolton when he had Jay Jay Ococha and Campo strutting out their final days in a rather decent team.

Koeman on the other hand was thought by most to be the man to rectify what Martinez had done wrong and was quickly exposed.

The whole Allardyce fiasco should have been avoided and has led to a lot of acrimony in the club and the supporters.

I could be wrong but Rooney's form dipped when Allardyce took over and it showed in his body language. Not that it should be any excuse for a professional like Rooney who should have rallied his team mates to better things.

Surely to God next season won't be anything like this one thankfully gone.

Club's like Everton are casualties of conmen like me.

If he had stayed, I honestly think he would have got us up to 7th, with dull footy, but we would be hard to beat.

I am glad he has gone, so we can, at least, dream again, of glory, goals and silver, because under sam, we would only be pragmatic and dull.

Thanks, Sam, and bye.

That said, I doubt he'd ever have been able to deliver top 6, even with Arsenal reeling and there for the (over)taking.

No doubt 12 months from now he will be facing similar problems to rid the Club of Marco Silva, he having only managed 12th place in the Premier League!

A bad start, as we know, lots of fixture congestion, and they could be fighting relegation for real. If I was a betting man, I would stick a £10er on Burnley to go down next season.

Banking! Yes!

It trumps managerial dismissal by a hell of a lot for compensation while doing a shitty job!

Massive payoffs and bonuses while driving entire countries into insolvency. Often paid for by the taxpayer!

Still doesn’t absolve Sam of any comments. I’m so glad he’s gone.

If you didn't know better, you'd almost believe that genuine, reasonable football supporters were being systematically robbed blind by an "industry" where serving oneself comes way before any notion of putting a shift in for a team.

I've taken to calling it "FFS" as an acronym, meaning "Finch Farm Syndrome", and it's lethal to fans and supporters.

The language used to describe Sam Allardyce tenure at our club which by the way we contacted him is unjustified. Martinez was given £10 million for what? Koeman we are still paying. Sam is not everyone's cup of tea to say the least. His honesty sometimes is his problem and style of football is eye watering but that's his style of management.

Money is a key factor now at our club. That's why we didn't stay with David Unsworth. Relegation is not a fear. It's the killer of some clubs. Don't know what the owner expects? Not good enough for champions league and is Marco Silva going to be given a further £200 million to try and get us to the promised land? Let's have another go. Money brings instability in all walks of life. Our owner is not a young man and success needs to come quickly but we need stability to progress.

The future could be bright? Spend more could bring success? Season ticket prices could rise leading to greater expectations. We can only try and yes the football gods may look kindly at us. Let's keep managers like Allardyce's and Moyes's telephone numbers on file just in case.

When Martinez got sacked, we had two points less than the end of this season; we had also been in both domestic semi-finals that season — it was considered to be not good enough. Then this isn't good enough either.

Ed – spot on. Martinez did far better than Allardyce and it wasn't even remotely good enough.

I think a lot of the vitriol and childish name calling was in part due to a fear he would stay on: well now he's gone forget him and give him the same regard as you would an accidental shit stain removed from a sheet in a hot wash.

Chasing him out of the club.

Everton have been ripped-off left, right and centre by mercenary managers and players. Rooney is trying to hang about because he sees another rip-off opportunity.

The result is that Everton are hoping that a manager sacked for poor performance that no-one else wants since then, will decide to fill the current manager's job vacancy.

Why? Because no one wants to manage Everton and suitable players will think twice before making such a career move. Everton are hoping that Silva is the right choice. The truth is the The Board haven't a clue whether he is or not.

Brands is a good appointment; hopefully he will have some say in who we get. At least he might know something. This appointment is critical to the future of Everton Football Club. It is a rebuild job and a 5-year project.

Having got rid of the mercenary manager (Big Sam can't see himself, better ignored), Everton need to get rid of the mercenary players, starting with wishing Rooney au revoir and thanks, but no thanks.

The standing of Everton Football Club is at its lowest point in its history.

He should have then come out onto the pitch himself, microphone in hand, and as Allardyce sheepishly made it back to the tunnel, he could have uttered the words of Alan Sugar on the Apprentice, "You're fired!" complete with Sugar style pointing (down towards the dugout).

Is that what you meant, Bobby? Cos I bet the crowd would have loved it, best entertainment all season.

No, I don't mean that.

Oh, and antagonise absolutely everybody along the way by claiming you're some kind of footballing guru when all the evidence points to you being an utterly dour, teflon-coated, bung-taking arsehole.

[Not sure if that's all entirely warranted, but it certainly feels good to have got it off my chest!]

Why would they need to worry about having their contracts terminated?

They and others have basically been well paid for very little.

Bobby (#80). What do you mean by your post that we've handled this badly? How do you think the club could have handled it better? I certainly think they have done ok.

I haven't seen similar outpourings in the press in defence of David Moyes, who in my opinion, achieved a much more difficult task in getting the Hammers to safety. I thought they were doomed after the 4-0 at Goodison. Sullivan and Gold weren't dishing out 18-month contracts either.

But, something I've almost entirely missed in comments sections across the net regarding not only his sacking, but those of Martinez and Koeman as well, is the culpability of the players. It's my opinion that, with a few exceptions, we have a gutless, unmotivated squad that rarely appear to believe we can, or even want to win matches.

Make as many arguments as you'd like about the shit-ness of the managers (none of the three are shit managers) but it's the players on the pitch that play the matches. The horrifically humiliating capitulation to the club across the park under Martinez solidified my disgust at the players and what increasingly appeared to me to be a culture of comfort, ambivalence, and time clock punching/paycheck cashing on the part of the majority of the squad. That, for me, is what's primarily to blame for the rubbish that we've endured the past few years. I've seen virtually nothing from them in the years since to change my mind.

I see no heart, no desire when I watch an Everton team anymore. Of course tactics and setup are key, to be certain, but for me it's the attitude of the personnel on the pitch that's the primary problem with the club. Hire, replace, pay off, then blame as many mangers as you want, but we'll continue going nowhere fast until we get shut of at least half the team and bring in some players that actually show heart and fire for the badge while on the pitch. I've supported the club for going on thirty years, and for the first time, I don't care about or even like most of the squad.

I'd posit these new players don't even need to be 'big names,' either. In fact, I'd almost prefer at this point if most aren't. The likes of Cahill, Carsley, Gravesen and Arteta certainly weren't when we brought them in. It says a lot to me when I find myself wishing I could see a Leon Osman-type playing for us instead of Sigurdsson, Schneiderlin or Bolasie. Any 'top' manager we bring in next will struggle to get any passion or even forward movement out of this current group, and the rot seems to be deep-set.

Whatever you say about Moyes, he was well known for his thorough vetting of a potential signing, not only watching them play numerous times himself, but also digging into their background and character. He got a few wrong, but mainly the players in that era gave 100% all the time.

Can you seriously identify that trait in any of the current squad, bar the likes of Baines, Jagielka and Coleman and we all know who signed them! The whole culture needs changing.

He and everyone appointed under his auspices need to go if we want to minimise the time in achieving any success at all in the Premier League we were so much a part of creating in the first place.

We need improving all over the pitch. But if our new manager can get the midfield sorted. Then we might have a chance. One DMF will do. And God help us if we start next season with Gueye and Schniederlin. Up the Toffees. Moshiri's new (yet again) Toffees.

Young comfortable footballers paid huge sums of money looking after their futures and not that serious about being the best they or the team can be. They are happy to have made it this far. Not for them the fear of the hairdryer treatment from a Fergie. No belief in a manager like Allardyce – going thru the motions until a better manager is appointed. Look at the top 6 teams and the work they do off the ball to retrieve possession – Lukaku excepted of course.

The respect for the manager is also a huge factor. I contend that the majority of the title-winning Chelsea squad were so incensed with Mourinho's treatment of and attitude towards the team doctor, that they just downed tools to get him the sack. Possibly a bit of the same for Everton, once our safety was assured. The players knew what the fans wanted and they delivered – Bless their souls.

Paulo Fonseca has signed new deal with Shaktar Donetsk.

The next four in order is scary...

David Moyes
Louis Van Gaal
Roberto Martinez
Brendan Rodgers

Martinez has just signed a 2-year extension with Belgium.

Johnny Rotten's words come to mind at the end of the great Rock 'n' Roll Swindal: “D'ya ever get the feelin' you're bein' cheated?”

I totally disliked the Allardyce appointment from the start and, even though he did what we needed by keeping us safe, I'm so happy he's gone. I have never been so unhappy watching my beloved blues. I agree, safety was a priority but, even after we realized we were safe, it was so obvious that he only had one game plan, without any style whatsoever!

It takes me back to the Martinez problems where he felt that the crowd needed to get behind the players for them to play their game... bollocks! I would rather see us lose a game in which we had given 100%, chasing the ball and putting some pressure on the other team. We all know that Goodison is a fortress and only is at its peak when the fans are feeding off the passion shown on the pitch.

I am so proud of our away support which is up there with the best in the league – I can't imagine how let down they feel!

Enough said. I can't wait to get excited again watching the Blues!

Martinez is another con artist. After Belgium wimp out of the World Cup, as they normally do, he will be bulleted. So how he has managed to extend before the competition beggars belief. Another made wealthy by tricks, greed and massive payoffs for failure.

Well, as we know that can't POSSIBLY mean Everton's own long-suffering and understandably now adamant fans, I suppose he must think the fans of other 'blue-clad' clubs, like Chelsea and Birmingham, must somehow, for some unknown reason (except to the man of pork and gravy himself!), have been rooting for him!!!

Anyway.. 6 mill is it? Thats a lot of fucking gravy, yeah?

So.. Thanks (again) but no thanks (ever again). Fuck him.

He's not a victim, he's a leech. He sees opportunities to earn astronomical sums of money for average work performing to minimal expectations. His only hardship of any note is the understanding that he will get quite a bit of grief from people in exchange for his money. More beneficiary than casualty in my eyes.

And I don't even really blame him for that. I once became quite a highly paid contractor to the government performing a service they themselves had trained me to do. I don't begrudge anyone making a quid if it's there to be made. There's no perfect line between ethically right and wrong - there are plenty of shades of grey.

But don't call yourself a victim. For a man so obsessed with image and interviews, it's a disgraceful comment to make.

Show them the way to go home.

I never wanted him, don't believe we ever needed him and now we inherit the media shit storm as his pals in the press and on TV rally to his defence. As for his 'the majority of the fans were behind me' comment, yes, we were, all lined up behind him waiting in turn to boot his arse out of the ground.

Problem is, there are still a few fans who are standing by him, bless them, and saying we should be thanking him for 'saving us' but that part of the job was effectively done with two months of the season to go. Did he then go on to show us he could take us forward by giving the players a licence to entertain? Nope.

Nothing changed because the leopard that is Sam Allardyce simply can't change. He does one thing and, to be fair, he does it well. But once he gets a team clear of relegation worries, his tank is empty. Nothing more he can do, (his own words).

Fonseca for me please. I have no belief in Silva, another character with ego issues.

Don't let's dignify Allardyce's moans by responding to him any more than we need to. Go cry into your swimming pool, Sam, and while you're at it, try beating the world record for holding your breath under water.

But here is where I disagree with your assertion that the managers weren't shite. They were. They brought these players in. Their job is to get a tune out of these players and make them motivated. Problem is that they bought the wrong players and allowed team spirit to whither and die with a very few exceptions.

It's not about whether the players are good enough, some are and some aren't, it's about whether they have the right attitude. You are right that the likes of Carsley, Arteta, Cahill etc weren't top players but they had the right attitude and became top players.

Gana, Barry and McCarthy aside, I can't think of many who have come in and had that attitude. That's why the club is in the mess we are, awful signings and the inability of the managers since Moyes to get them to play as a team.

Barkley highlights it for me. So talented but it's all about him. Thinks he is way better than he is and look at him now. It's all intertwined; shite managers not motivating poorly recruited players.

Winning teams are good to watch. End of. I think we've been so starved of success that we've forgotten this. It's a problem that is seemingly unique to Everton. Newcastle have gone down and won the Championship; Villa are challenging for the playoffs. Spurs have had some joy in the Premier League and League Cup over the years. It's the results that matter most.

Appointing Silva on the misconception that his teams play good football would be a mistake. They don't. His record in the Premier League is very poor and I don't see why that would change upon arrival here at Everton. He's also been shown to be of poor character.

He was never going to be the manager that took us to the next stage – so no real surprise and pretty much cost neutral as you say.

Onwards and upwards.

However, one part I clearly recall was Fat Sam whining because he was now out of work and would have to find something else.

Difficult to find sympathy or empathy for someone who has made so much money that them and their family will never have to work again.

Poor times with Sam for sure but it was less than 6 months, let's just move on.

COYB

I promise never again to post anything about our EX Manager. He doesn't deserve any more of the printed word. I suggest an excellent pen pal for Allardyce would be Donald Trump. They could share their "delusions of grandeur" .they are perfectly matched in so many ways.

Now they know that whether they do well or not, the reward is the same and then it's on to the next goldmine.

Everton are currently paying off three ex managers and gawd knows how many staff. I bet it would be different if Moshiri and other owners had to fork out their own loot !

Jim White was acting like Sam's Agent repeating to the listeners that Sam has been treated unfairly. The other balloon, Brazil. He came out with a corker. He said that Sam should just walk away and go to the courts and sue Everton.

He seemed pretty pleased with himself, until one of his guests told him he's getting something like £6 million off Everton. It was great to hear him silenced for a couple of seconds.

These presenters don't appear to research what they are talking about. What a job, money for nothing, maybe that's whey they have an affinity with Sam...

Allardyce should never have been given the job and Koeman did far more damage than Sam did imo — how quickly we forget the mess he left after spending a fortune.

There is a "lads together" desperation, a toe-curling mateiness, a nickname clique (fuck me, add '-sy' to anyone's surname and they are your friend) that, if I ever listened to it again, would, likely make me die vomiting.

The connection between Jim White and Moshiri is as embarrassing and lamentable as Sam Allardyce.

But re Moshiri and White... did not our Fiscal Fount promise, back at the AGM, that there would be no more personal revelations via that route?

Seems, as far as I can recall, that he has been true to his word?

You're right, Michael, I think Mr Moshiri has learned his lesson and realized that his "friendship" with Jim White was nothing more than he (White) using Moshiri to basically help him in his job and attract listeners and create talking points.

I actually went completely against my principles and rung in one day as I couldn't stand it anymore and got through (after a money-spinning wait) and explained what my point was about to the person who I presume vets the calls.

I didn't swear and wasn't aggressive in any way but mysteriously got cut off after my point was made clear.