Everton vs Crystal Palace

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James McCarthy is fit again after 10 months on the sidelines with a broken leg

Everton look to build on two successive Premier League wins as Crystal Palace come to town with the domestic programme resuming following the latest international break.

The Blues go in search of a third league victory on the bounce which, if successful, would be the first time they've managed it since January last year during what was the best spell of Ronald Koeman's aborted tenure.

Coincidentally, the third team they beat in that sequence was Palace when Seamus Coleman's late winner secured all three points at Selhurst Park. That result came in the midst of a run of just one defeat in eight games which sparked hopes that the Dutchman was finally getting his arms around the Everton job after an erratic first few months at the helm.

That proved to be a false hope, of course, and eventually ushered in the Marco Silva era, one which is starting to coalesce into something positive and forward-looking, the League Cup exit on penalties to Southampton notwithstanding. A stellar second-half display against Fulham at Goodison Park three weeks ago was followed up with a terrific away performance at Leicester that moved Everton to the cusp of the top half, four points off the top six.

The improving match sharpness of Bernard is seen as one crucial piece of Silva's jigsaw but the return to fitness of five players, two of whom haven't even played yet, will merely strengthen his hand in terms of options.

Yerry Mina and André Gomes are finally available following this summer moves from Barcelona, while James McCarthy is also fit after recovering from a double leg break in January. Seamus Coleman appears to be ready now that a stress fracture in his foot has healed and Beni Baningime's recovery from an ankle injury will bolster the numbers ahead of a fixture for which Idrissa Gueye is rated as doubtful.

The Senegal international sustained an ankle knock of his own on international duty but Silva hasn't ruled him out of passing a late fitness test.

“It's a small problem,” the Portuguese told the media today during his press conference. “We have one more day tomorrow and Sunday after that to decide. He's getting better and we will have more hours to make a decision [on his fitness].”

Asked whether all three of the longer-term absentees would be available to play some part in Sunday's game, Silva said: “It's possible. André is working hard and doing very well and he is completely fit.

“Mina is in the same situation and James as well. Of course, James's situation is a little bit different because it was a bad injury but he is doing well.

“They are in good condition if I take that decision [to play them]. It's important and, of course, it's not just about Mina but (Phil) Jagielka and Mason (Holgate) as well in our central defence.

“They need to work hard to achieve what they want, to play in our starting XI. It's not easy at this moment; not easy for me or easy for them to take the positions.

While Mina's debut is hotly anticipated given his pedigree, price tag and goalscoring exploits off set-pieces at the World Cup in Russia, it would be a surprise to see him walk straight into the starting XI. Michael Keane has shrugged off his early-season jitters with a series of assured displays either side of his head injury while Kurt Zouma has been in fine form since coming to the side.

McCarthy's chances of a start might rest on Gueye's fitness while Silva might elect to ease Gomes into action off the bench in the same way he did with Bernard.

It points to the strong possibility that Silva could name an unchanged starting line-up from the one he chose at the King Power Stadium, with perhaps the only change being Coleman coming back in place of Jonjoe Kenny if he is 100% ready.

For their part, Palace could be without their biggest threat in the form of Wilfried Zaha. Like Idrissa Gueye, the Ivorian was forced to pull out of his country's second Africa Cup of Nations qualifier this week because of injury.

Zaha, the Eagles' top scorer with three, will undergo a late assessment on a groin injury. Joel Ward and Jonny Williams have been ruled out while Max Meyer and Alexander Sorloth could miss out through illness.

Having started the season positively, Roy Hodgson's men are winless in their last three matches and have won just once in five games. They begin the weekend in 14th place, five points behind Everton.

There's no question that, with a trip to Old Trafford around the corner and then visits to Stamford Bridge and Anfield looming beyond, another home victory would come as another big boost to the progress Silva has made in recent weeks. Establishing some momentum before the hectic winter programme kicks in will be vital to Everton's prospects of improving on last season's eighth-place finish.

Kick-off: 4pm, Sunday 21 October, 2018
Referee: Anthony Taylor
Last Time: Everton 3 - 1 Crystal Palace

Predicted Line-up: Pickford, Coleman, Keane, Zouma, Digne, Schneiderlin, Davies, Sigurdsson, Walcott, Bernard, Richarlison


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Derek Knox
1 Posted 20/10/2018 at 00:12:37
I sincerely hope Schneiderlin does not play, any momentum built thus far will be negated with him anywhere near the side.

It seems ages since our last game, yet it's only a fortnight, that's what these International Breaks do, disorientate everyone.

I was even thinking the game was tomorrow, but a Sunday afternoon on camera will have us waiting another 24 hours.

Hope they don't underestimate Palace, who although not having a very good start are capable of doing damage on their day.

Jamie Crowley
2 Posted 20/10/2018 at 00:24:48
Dammit! FFS I thought the game was tomorrow.

Seriously don't want to wait another day. All week long I looked forward to Saturday morning, cup of coffee, Live Forum, CAPS SPEAK contributions when exasperated.


Well, here's to another 24 hour period of patience.

We should beat Palace. We need to start getting more points on the board.

Jerome Shields
3 Posted 20/10/2018 at 00:35:05
What I will be looking for is a consistent performance. It's a long time since Everton had three wins in succession.
Bill Gienapp
4 Posted 20/10/2018 at 00:52:22
Wow, I thought the game was tomorrow as well. Glad I found out before getting up at 7:00 AM.
David Ellis
5 Posted 20/10/2018 at 01:53:14
I hate playing teams on a losing streak! We all know why.
But surely in this case we'll batter them. I have high hopes. Particularly if they don't have Zaha.

Heres a really good analysis from a Crystal Palace fanzine

On the first match day after the international break, Crystal Palace face Everton away with Hunter Young breaking down the key clashes.

Everton have experienced an up-and-down season so far with them currently sitting in 11th place, but on a two-game winning streak in the league. Ever since coming up, the Eagles have struggled against the Toffies with their last victory coming in the season immediately following promotion. Palace will have a hard time reversing this winless run due to the quality of Everton’s squad, bolstered by another high-spending summer, when they travel to Goodison Park.

Patrick van Aanholt v Theo Walcott
After falling out of favour at Arsenal, Theo Walcott revived his career with a January move to Everton. The British winger has appeared six times this campaign and leads the team in assists to go along with his two goals. The speedy and tricky winger is always a threat to cut in off the right side and look for a shot, or lay it off for a teammate.

The man who will be trusted with limiting Walcott will be Patrick van Aanholt. The Dutch left-back has enjoyed a solid start to the season, starting every game while also contributing to the attack with a goal and an assist. Van Aanholt will have to be careful not to leave space behind him to be exploited when he goes forward like he did when the two teams faced off last season, and Walcott took advantage.

Luka Milivojevic v Gylfi Sigurdsson
The star of the Icelandic national team, Gylfi Sigurdsson, has truly begun to justify the massive price tag that Everton paid for him with his current goal total of four equalling his from all of last season. The central playmaker has appeared in all eight of Everton’s matches and is instrumental to the success of the Toffees as he dictates play and makes all those around him better.

If Luka Milivojevic can contain the impact of Sigurdsson it will go a long way towards helping the Eagles avoid defeat. While the Serbian has not been on the top of his game, he is still looked to as a leader by the Palace dressing room. If Milivojevic can set the tone against Everton early it could not only inspire him, but his teammates as well to a great performance.

Aaron Wan-Bissaka v Richarlison
Richarlison has rediscovered the brilliant form that evaded him the second half of last term after being reunited with coach Marco Silva who got the best out of him at Watford prior to his dismissal. The Brazilian forward is versatile and has lined up at both striker and wide left for the Toffees and is the joint top scorer with four.

Wherever Richarlision lines up, he will come into contact with Palace starlet Aaron Wan-Bissaka. The Croydon-born right back has enjoyed a stellar start to the season and is receiving attention both nationally and internationally as one of the best up-and-coming defenders in the world. Wan-Bissaka will also be encouraged by playing the full 90 minutes for England’s U21s on Tuesday and will look to build on that momentum.
Interesting that they see all the "key match ups" as Palace defenders vs Everton attackers. They don't seem to be aware of the threat of Bernard!

David Ellis
6 Posted 20/10/2018 at 02:43:12
Just listened to a Palace fan podcast. They are hilariously depressed and expect to lose badly. They say that Hodgson has changed their playing style this season from counter attack to possession based tikka tacca and its not working - particularly at home where they have so far failed to score a single goal.

However I'm pretty sure they'll be playing counter attack at Goodison.

Amit Vithlani
7 Posted 20/10/2018 at 05:00:11
David @ 5 thanks for that. Interesting indeed that they focus on their defensive match ups against our attacking players.

Zaha is ofcourse an excellent player for them, and whether he faces Kenny or Coleman, this will be a key area. I expect Walcott and perhaps Davies to be positioned to cover, as Van Aanholt often breaks to provide Zaha an option.

If Gueye is unfit, then Schneiderlin could certainly redeem himself by being more forward thinking in his passing. He used to cut through lines and as a result negated the high press.

Good to see so many players returning but they should be eased back in. Too many players who are not match-fit will surely pose an issue, and we now appear to have a bit of continuity.

Upfront, I can't see a start for Tosun or Calvert-Lewin, so I am hoping our front 4 continue their form shown against Leicester.

Jerome Shields
8 Posted 20/10/2018 at 05:18:54
David #5,

Thank you for the insightful information. Crystal Palace started the Everton rot and give Martinez a lesson he didn't take. This is the game that will be won or lost by the Crystal Palace defenders. Hopefully Bernard will add to the mix and Schneiderlin will leave no gaps in the high press – better someone else plays in that position, if possible.

Ernie Baywood
9 Posted 20/10/2018 at 07:01:13
Tomorrow will be a very different game to Leicester. Palace are going to rely on counter attacking and we'll have to force the play. That's been our weakness over the last few years.

I'll predict 2-0 given the form of Sigurdsson and the addition of Bernard's creativity, but it won't be as electric as the attacking play at Leicester.

Brian Porter
10 Posted 20/10/2018 at 07:08:35
Please, please, if Silva wants the fans to take him seriously he has to forget Schneiderlin. It's like being down to ten men from the start with him in the team. Give Gomes a start, give next door's cat a start, anyone but Schneiderlin, the biggest fraudster still in the squad.

So again, please, give Schneids the heave-go and let's be positive and not backward-looking.

Jon Withey
11 Posted 20/10/2018 at 07:11:30
I'm quite positive about the game, but it's a shame if Gueye doesn't play as he's been very effective in the team recently. If they bring in Schneiderlin we might lose that dynamic. I'd prefer McCarthy but I'm assuming it's too soon for 90 mins – not to mention he hasn't played a competitive game in donkeys.
Tony Abrahams
12 Posted 20/10/2018 at 07:56:20
Twelfth post, and I'm the 4th person to say please don't play Morgan Schneiderlin.

I hate being negative when it comes to anyone, but this is what Morgan brings to the team and the watching support.

We are beginning to get the feel-good factor slowly back, so please don't spoil it with the negative vibes that Schneiderlin brings.

I've honestly been looking forward to going to Goodison since Tuesday, which is a minor miracle after the last couple of seasons of absolute unadulterated shite, so let's hope we don't disappoint!

Tony Everan
13 Posted 20/10/2018 at 08:21:37
I echo the sentiment of the guys above .

I don't want Schneiderlin to play either. With Gomes and McCarthy fit, and hopefully Gana recovering, the time is rapidly coming now where Schneiderlin will not get a place on the subs bench. When that day arrives, it will be better for him and us if he moves on. Hopefully not kicking and screaming.

Either that or put his life on the line when he plays for Everton, like anyone's of us would do if we were good enough and given the golden opportunity. I continue to feel that Morgan doesn't commit with his heart and soul to the club, it is ruining his career.

Tony Everan
14 Posted 20/10/2018 at 08:46:11
An interesting thought with regards our fleet-footed attack, is can opposing defenders stop the likes of Bernard, Richarlison and Walcott without fouling them?

Set-pieces around the box and penalties will feature more. If referees are on the ball, there will be more bookings and sendings off for fouls trying to stop our front three. Siggy will be a threat from free kicks and I think Keane or Mina will be a threat aerially from the free-kicks whipped in.

Martin Berry
15 Posted 20/10/2018 at 08:57:28
I expect a resounding win that will send us to Old Trafford on a high. I expect a resounding win there too!
Gordon White
16 Posted 20/10/2018 at 09:08:59
Hopefully we can turn in a good, solid performance.

Much has been made about two; players, Zaha and Schneiderlin. And although I would obviously prefer Gueye to be on the park, I think schneiderlin could benefit from being in a team that's playing with confidence. He has actually turned in a few good performances this year. Hence I don't see him, in isolation, as being as negative for the team as others do.

At the moment, I don't think we'll have a problem scoring. For me the key to the match will be how we deal with their counter attacking. If Zaha plays, they will naturally have more potency. But we SHOULD be capable of turning them over regardless.

I'm hoping we see something of Mina and Gomes. Perhaps as Silva introduced Bernard.

I'm really excited about Mina and set plays. We've been creating so many chances from set pieces and it's been so frustrating to see nothing coming from any of them. When we're awarded a corner, we might as well hand the ball back to their keeper! Mina could change that overnight. And merely his presence will create chances for others. (Someone needs to tell Zouma - you have to head the ball under the bar!).

Gomes can add attacking flair and create further openings. And exciting interplay with Bernard, Siggy, Richy and making more of Walcott's pace. All of these players can mutually benefit from each other.

The only question mark about Gomes is how good will he be when we don't have possession. Success depends on team work.

All in all, really looking forward to the game, but wishing it was today.

Steven Jones
17 Posted 20/10/2018 at 09:26:58
I get the Snides fear.

However against Southampton he was playing so well that when he got injured and had to go off he got a big round of applause and recognition of his improved play.

I just hope that more time with the intensity of training under Silva he has got into playing at a higher tempo and is back to his line splitting QB best.

Also seeing the emergence of Tom and the returning McCarthy, Gomes and Beni he will see it as an opportunity of grabbing his chance.

Let's hope so!

James Marshall
18 Posted 20/10/2018 at 09:30:38
For anyone who wants to see Gomes ahead of Schneiderlin, if you think you're gonna see him putting his foot in or doing a lot of leg-work, you're going to wish Schneiderlin was playing.
David Hallwood
19 Posted 20/10/2018 at 09:48:16
To my mind (And for the umpteen time) my issue with Sneiderlin is that he can't play in the same team as Gana, and of course vice versa. Because they're both doing the same holding role and we don't get up the field.

Stick him in front of the back four as the holder and there's enough going forward to accommodate a defensive midfielder

Frank Sheppard
20 Posted 20/10/2018 at 10:23:16
Looks like as good an opportunity you can have for 3 points as well as a good confidence boosting display. Let’s hope we don’t fluff our lines.
Kevin Prytherch
21 Posted 20/10/2018 at 11:59:35
I said it on a post a few weeks ago...

I’d rather give Baines a chance in centre midfield than play Schneiderlin. I think Baines will do the exact same job defensively (barring the obvious height disadvantage) and will offer far more decisive passes going forward.

Unfortunately, I don’t think it’s realistic to start either Gomes, McCarthy or Beni, so that doesn’t leave us with much option other than to play Schniederlin.

The only other alternative, is to drop Sigurdsson back into centre mid alongside Davies and play one of Lookman / Tosun / DCL in the front 4.

Gio Mero
22 Posted 20/10/2018 at 12:19:45
I really don't care who's in our starting XI. It's not about absolute values as much as suiting the football ideas of Silva. We neeed to trust him and be patient. We are not in a position to pack our team with superstars anyway so forget about individuals and look at the team as a unit. My opinion
Liam Reilly
23 Posted 20/10/2018 at 12:25:56
if Gana doesn't make it then Schneiderlin will most likely replace him in the side.
As a few posters above has said, he wasn't playing badly before he was injured so deserves a chance.

Hopefullly well not see Gomes and Davies as a partnership as I don't think either of them have the right discipline, as one needs to sit and just do the donkey work. Maybe Gomes for Davies after 60 minutes.

Hopefully Seamus is back and take a the armband as handing it to Davies is disrespectful in.my opinion to former greats like Lyons, Ratcliffe, Watson and Speed (who admittedly didn't wear it very long) but these guys earned the armband and commanded respect in and outside of the club.

Dermot Byrne
24 Posted 20/10/2018 at 12:31:28
I hope Seamus is back too – both as a good full-back but also as Captain.

Myself, I can see a good result tomorrow and some fast, stylish play.

I feel the wins we have had will have done the confidence no harm and make Goodison feel optimistic and hopefully loud.

Even if these games have not been against the best (though Leicester have some good players), I cannot help but feel each one is another step of a long-term strategy.

Fran Mitchell
25 Posted 20/10/2018 at 12:36:09
I hope Coleman doesn't just walk into the team. Kenny has done well, and improved every week and Coleman was way below par before his injury.

Schneiderlin for Gueye is a big blow, Gueye covers so much ground, he's very important to break up play and maintain the high intensity that has been present recently. But hopefully Schneiderlin can perform.

Hoping also that Lookman gets a chance off the bench, we could well need him in the coming period, and he needs game time.

Tom Bowers
26 Posted 20/10/2018 at 13:09:11
A game on paper Everton should win given the form at Leicester. Palace sometimes look good when Zaha is on song but you need more than one man.

This is a perfect opportunity for Silva's boys to show they are further on the upgrade to being a team that will be very competitive in the not-too-distant future against all teams.

On another note, can anyone tell me why coaches still don't believe in having a player on each post when defending corners?

Mourinho and Man Utd failed to do that against Chelsea and Rudiger scored easily. Go figure.

Harry Hockley
27 Posted 20/10/2018 at 14:37:39
This is a game we should cruise. Nice to see Mina and Gomes possibly on the bench finally available.

Hopefully Seamus can come back in to stop Zaha causing havoc, don't fancy Kenny against him after his recent form – he'd get shown up.

Alan J Thompson
29 Posted 20/10/2018 at 15:58:44
I'd sooner ask if anyone in the crowd has brought their boots than play Schneiderlin.
Mike Keating
30 Posted 20/10/2018 at 16:38:37
Guardian preview still has Zaha up front – I thought he was injured?
Tony Everan
31 Posted 20/10/2018 at 16:57:43

Late fitness test.

Christy Ring
32 Posted 20/10/2018 at 17:03:16
I see where the full squad trained today, Coleman and Gueye in contention for tomorrow. If Gueye starts, I'd have McCarthy on the bench, and no Schneiderlin.
Dermot Byrne
33 Posted 20/10/2018 at 17:14:38
I wonder... could Shneiderlin be good in a good, confident side?

Hypocrisy, I know, as I criticise him so much.

David Pearl
34 Posted 20/10/2018 at 17:15:46
Well well. As soon as I read Lyndon's predicted line up I'd of put money of the very first comment being aimed at Schneiderlin. ToffeeWeb doesn't ever disappoint does it. Some say football is all about opinions. Not in this case.

You can tell when Schneiderlin isn't confident and last season he went into his shell, along with most of the squad. However, he started this season much better, reading the game and playing passes Gueye can only dream about.

If you say he hasn't played well this season... you are wrong. He is much better in Silva's system. How about, if he plays, we look at what he does and judge him on his performance and not last season's? Long shot, isn't it?

Ray Roche
35 Posted 20/10/2018 at 17:45:37
Harry, other games we should have “cruised” this season. West Ham Utd, Huddersfield and Southampton, all at home.

Hmmm, now, how did they end up?

Alan J Thompson
36 Posted 20/10/2018 at 17:48:25
David (#34); You said it yourself, "As soon as I read". Admit it, you too don't have any confidence in him.
Dermot Byrne
37 Posted 20/10/2018 at 17:59:50
The Schneiderlin issue.

First season? Since... Who knows

Paul Birmingham
38 Posted 20/10/2018 at 18:50:50
Let’s take a win and focus on a win, using the best starting 11 available.

No easy games and the haven’t won yet and Sunday on the box jinx, hopefully won’t happen tomorrow.

Eric Paul
39 Posted 20/10/2018 at 20:08:16
You are correct, Schneiderlin is a better footballer than Gueye he just can’t play along side him
Jay Harris
40 Posted 20/10/2018 at 21:08:33
If Gueye is fit, no changes necessary to the team that played Leicester. If he is not fit, maybe play 3 at the back and get Mina eased into the team.

I certainly think it is a retrograde step playing Scneiderlin against Palace. He has no pace and his first instinct is to pass back.

That would be a No for me.

Steavey Buckley
41 Posted 20/10/2018 at 21:31:07
Having a strong squad to choose from will give confidence to all concerned. But football is about tempo and how Everton approach the match tomorrow. Getting the ball forward to the 3 upfront as quick and as accurately as possible with good and accurate finishing should make sure Everton gain 3 points comfortably.
Jamie Evans
42 Posted 20/10/2018 at 21:43:41
For as long as I can remember, people on ToffeeWeb have been saying that Gana & Schneiderlin can't play together, something I happen to agree with.

My question is this: Should Gana not be passed fit tomorrow, what is the issue with Schneiderlin playing? Doesn't his form this season warrant this?

As for Baines playing centre midfield, has anyone ever seen him play there before? I love Leighton Baines like any sane Evertonian should do, but centre midfield? Really?

Andy Crooks
43 Posted 20/10/2018 at 21:54:01
This game will not be a cruise; we are Everton. Disappointment waits round every corner. It is what makes us strong. Expectation followed by "What the fuck was that all about?" Four hundred comments on ToffeeWeb.

Do you see what I have done here? It's witchcraft.

Paul Birmingham
44 Posted 20/10/2018 at 21:54:37
To win, and win well, mash them is great and would be nice, but to take some positive momentum and go to Man Utd upbeat, would be a boost. There was a time when we turned them over regularly and with style. Different time and tempo, but we must aim high.

No excuses tomorrow and I hope we start well and play a full 90 mins with tempo and style and manner. For me, it's a must-win after so many home setbacks.

Andy Crooks
45 Posted 20/10/2018 at 21:57:24
Also, Schneiderlin used to be a fine player. He still might be. Seems to me he is a confidence player. I hope he plays tomorrow because I have a feeling he will be good.
John Raftery
46 Posted 20/10/2018 at 22:13:56
I’ll just be happy to see us get the three points tomorrow. While we come into this game on the back of two consecutive wins the performances have not been sufficiently convincing for anyone to be complacent.

We could, probably should, have been 2-0 down before we managed to see off what is proving to be a poor Fulham team. We started well at Leicester but failed to kill the game off. Once Leicester equalised it was anyone’s game until the opposition were reduced to ten men. Even then we might easily have conceded a late equaliser from a corner.

Tomorrow is not the day for experimental changes, least of all playing Baines in midfield.

Neil Wood
47 Posted 20/10/2018 at 22:35:35
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Michael Kenrick
48 Posted 20/10/2018 at 23:04:25
Surely Marco can't make too many changes to accommodate the slew of suddenly fit players? But it's a real puzzler who he will pick.

Will he continue with Davies and start Gomes if Gueye is not fit? I think that's what I'd like to see.

Also, Kenny has done quite well, after he was unfairly slated for what was a very good goal against at Leicester. I'd prefer to see him retain the right-back slot with Coleman on the bench.

And it would surely be foolhardy to break up the defensive pairing of Zouma and Keane, so that would be Mina on the bench also.

So, for me, that's two changes to Lyndon's starting line-up.

John Pierce
49 Posted 20/10/2018 at 23:26:38
I think Silva's changes should be bold and yes, despite the winning run, clear.

We have in large parts been lame at home this season, our ‘road game' has been much better.

Silva has the chance to show us he can pick a side and a variation of his style both home and away.

Pace is less of an issue at home, teams sit deep, space in behind is limited. It's about possession high up the pitch and players who ultimately can beat a man.

Bernard, Gomes and Lookman all fit the bill for me. It also requires a presence up top against a side who will not play an open game.

The back four remains intact but all three come in to add weight to our team.

Kenny, Zouma, Keane, Digne
Schneiderlin (assuming Gueye ain't fit).
Gomes, Sigurdsson
Richarlison Tosun Lookman

That team screams possession and technical ability, but this is actually a very hard test. We have a plan for away games coming up and we now need to make a run of winnable home games count to let us play without fear at the big boys.

Failure to win these types of games puts a lot of pressure for the harder aways we have in the pipeline.

Here's hoping.

Neil Wood
50 Posted 20/10/2018 at 23:30:45
Love that side, John, but I am not sure they would let us get away with fielding 12 players, pal!
Steve Ferns
51 Posted 20/10/2018 at 23:33:44
John, I thought that was a very weird looking side, then I realised you’ve picked a 443!

Gomes ain’t a dribbler. He’s not fast enough. He can go past a man, but that’s more neat footwork in tight spaces.

I’m hoping for

Kenny Keane Zouma Digne
Gomes Sigurdsson
Walcott Richarlison Bernard

Andy Crooks
52 Posted 21/10/2018 at 00:07:42
Steve, I have heard Mike Gaynes talk down expectations of Gomes and now you. I think that an arm round the shoulder guy like Silva will make a new player of him. I have great expectations.
Len Hawkins
53 Posted 21/10/2018 at 00:20:25
Leighton Baines playing centre mid? Surely the job is to drive forward, not turn and pass back.
Andrew Keatley
54 Posted 21/10/2018 at 00:36:34
It’s not going to happen against Palace but Kieran Dowell played a deeper central role for England Under 21 v Scotland recently, and seeing him do it well in that game I wondered whether it might be a position he could play for us; not defensive midfield in the classic sense, more of a deep-lying central midfielder - like Shelvey plays for Newcastle.

While Dowell’s defensive game leaves a lot to be desired, and his physicality is definitely not great, when it comes to passing through the lines and being inventive in possession he’s got a lot of ability.

With the attacking threats we now have in our squad it would be great to have a central midfielder who can make those incisive forward passes. Gomes might end up being that player. Maybe Sigurdsson might drop deeper. I wonder if Dowell might also have something to offer, because he’s not likely to get a game in the attacking unit ahead of Bernard, Richarlison, Walcott, Lookman etc at present.

John Pierce
55 Posted 21/10/2018 at 01:04:05
Fook it, lads — drop Schniederlin. 😑
John Pierce
56 Posted 21/10/2018 at 01:05:24
I’d had one cocktail. That’s shameful on my behalf
David Hallwood
57 Posted 21/10/2018 at 01:28:04
Getting ahead of myself, but I just watched the Chelsea vs Man Utd game, and Man Utd look positively shite at set-pieces, anything that came into the box they were all over the place.

Maybe a good time to start Mina to latch on to Sigurdsson's dead-ball deliveries.

John Pierce
58 Posted 21/10/2018 at 02:38:39
David we’ve scored 1/141 from corners...
Ernie Baywood
59 Posted 21/10/2018 at 04:05:26
We've had some significant injury problems... I just can't see him risking any of Mina, Gomes, McCarthy, or Seamus.

If Gana has a problem we'll see Schneiderlin. I don't like it, but I can understand it.

I can't see Palace putting us under any kind of sustained pressure. It will come down to how quickly we can move the ball forward and how well we can break them down.

Go hard and get one early. Up the Toffees.

Phil Sammon
60 Posted 21/10/2018 at 06:59:02
I would absolutely have Baines in centre mid before Schneiderlin. I really think it’s worth looking at.
Tony Abrahams
61 Posted 21/10/2018 at 07:38:10
Don't worry, John, Schneiderlin plays like he's been drinking cocktails all day!

Is there any possibilities that Silva might play with 3 centre-backs to try and accommodate Mina? Or do I sound like I've been drinking all night?

Alan McGuffog
62 Posted 21/10/2018 at 08:25:03
Chance to boost confidence. Gain three valuable points. Move up the league. Build on a couple of good wins. How many times over the years have we been in this sort of situation ? Would be made up with a flukey one nil victory today
Tony Everan
63 Posted 21/10/2018 at 08:47:16

Kenny Zouma Mina Keane Digne

Sigurdson Davies

Walcott Richarlison Bernard

Gana’s injury may may Silva introduce Mina and go with three at the back .

Gary Willock
64 Posted 21/10/2018 at 08:54:35
Leave the front 4 as it was in the last game. If Gana is out, then it’s got to be Schneiderlin’s ‘last chance saloon’ with either Gomes or McCarthy sitting on the bench ready to come on should he fail to deliver once again.

I don’t like it, I’ve posted before that Schneiderlin should never play in a 2 again, but we don’t have choice. At least not for a few more weeks.

Jim Bennings
65 Posted 21/10/2018 at 09:03:12
This is a tough game even though we should go into it with our tails positively up after the last two.

Palace always seem to cause us problems at Goodison (apart from last season) it’s usually one of our toughest home games outside the top six and they remind me much like ourselves in that their most productive performances are playing away on the counter.

If we could win today then that really will stand us in great stead for the trip to Old Trafford next Sunday, it’s a perfect stage of the season to start building momentum and confidence and that will only come through winning football matches.

Jim Potter
66 Posted 21/10/2018 at 10:30:10
I'd go with Steve's team at #51.

We have to keep playing positively - especially at home.

Get some of the new guys / injury returns on at the 70 minute mark when we are at least 3-0 up. Here's hoping.

There's no reason to fear any of the upcoming games. New team, new manager and new mentality - especially against the odious RS.

Gordon White
67 Posted 21/10/2018 at 10:55:59
Stick with the team that won at Leicester. Play Schneiderlin if Gueye isn't fit.
Bring on Gomes for Davies mid-second half, either because we still need to score, or we're smashing it and he fancies giving him a run out.

That might be the way Mina gets a kick too. Eventually, Mina will come into the squad. But failing an injury - who will he replace?

Baines in midfield? Really? Only if there's a long injury list. Besides, we want passes forward not back.


Frank Crewe
68 Posted 21/10/2018 at 11:05:04
As far as possible I would start with the side who played against Leicester. I would not make big changes in the formation just to accommodate Mina. Keane and Zouma are looking pretty solid so I see no reason to change it. He has to get into the side just like any other player would. With Gana being out an opportunity has arisen for Shneiderlin, Gomez, and McCarthy. Whichever one of them gets picked has to grab the chance and show what they can do that would make them worth a permanent spot in the side.
Of course the one proviso with this is that we have to remember that Gomez and Zouma are only here for a season so really Silva should as much as possible be picking our permanent players since they are going to still be here after Gomez and Zouma are back at their own clubs. Unless there is a chance they might sign for longer of course.
Steve Ferns
69 Posted 21/10/2018 at 11:05:29
Martinez tried Baines in midfield and it didn’t work. I don’t think the original plan of Guardiola playing Lahm in midfield really worked either. Baines is a good passer, but that’s not usually when croweded and in tight spaces.

We need to keep the same side and go for either Schniederlin or Gomes. Gomes if he’s fit and ready to be more attacking or Schniederlin if Silva wants to be more cautious.

Brian Harrison
70 Posted 21/10/2018 at 11:11:25
Assuming Gueye isn't fit I imagine Silva will play Schneiderlin in his place. I don't think he will start with Gomes, but he might bring him on in the 2nd half if the game is going our way. Also he may try and give Mina some minutes towards the end of the game.

I said weeks ago that Richarlison should play as our main striker and although Steve Ferns and others said he couldnt play there, I think he has proved he can play there and far more effectively than the other candidates DCL or Tosun. Now if we buy a striker in the summer he may well revert to playing out wide but until that happens he has to continue as our main striker.

Another chance to continue to build on the confidence of our last 2 results, but no game in the premier league is easy, so we cant go into the game thinking turn up and we will win. I am looking forward to seeing Bernard starting another game, the big plus for me is that if Sigurdssons form drops or he gets injured Bernard looks to have the natural ability to play in that number 10 position.

Silva and Brands with some shrewd buys are starting to put together a very impressive squad, with apart from the main striking role 2 players for nearly every position. And with such strong competition its inevitable that performances all round improve.

Gordon White
71 Posted 21/10/2018 at 11:15:55
Frank #68 I agree. We should be favouring our own players over loan players. I guess that answers my previous question. Keane and Mina.

I think most of us would welcome Zouma signing a permanent. But he's openly stated his intention to return to Chelski.

If Gomes plays his socks off Barca will want a shit load for him. But if B & S want him, that won't stop us. Gomes would have the casting vote.

Silva made it clear he wants decent competition for all places in the team. And we're getting there.

Steve Ferns
72 Posted 21/10/2018 at 11:17:40
Brian, I don't believe Richarlison can play there long term. The reason it worked so well against Leicester is that it was new, it was fluid and it was dynamic. That's the only way it can work. If we see Richarlison stay at the tip of the spear and not move, then he will be meat and drink to your average Premier League centre-back. I do not believe he will be a Premier League quality number 9. He can certainly do the business as part of a mobile, fluid and dynamic front 4. Let's not forget he ripped the piss out of Wes Morgan who if you read what Leicester fans are saying about Wes, and were doing so prior to the last game, then you'd be hard pressed to see the difference between that and what we were saying about Ashley Williams.
Brian Harrison
73 Posted 21/10/2018 at 11:46:07

I did say that if we sign a striker in the summer Silva may well want him to play out wide again. But you don't have to play Richarlison as a static centre forward, when you look at Vardy he is always on the shoulder of the last defender looking to make runs in behind. You probably arent old enough to remember but Don Revie revolutionized centre forward play while at Man City playing a deep lying forward. So there are many ways to play as the main striker. I don't envisage Richarlison would be comfortable having to fight for lots of high balls from the back. But I think Silva knows Richarlisons strengths and would play to them rather than to the defenders strength.

But Steve the great thing about this game we all love is we all have different opinions about everything, and you may well be right.

Neil Wood
74 Posted 21/10/2018 at 11:46:46
Car sharing travelling from Huddersfield anyone? Or anywhere near?
Joe O'Brien
75 Posted 21/10/2018 at 12:00:46
Steve or anyone heading for a pint before the match? Can't wait to be back in Goodison again. 3 pts pls lads
Phil Greenough
76 Posted 21/10/2018 at 12:08:23
Reading the BBC football website today, you wouldn't know that Everton are playing this afternoon. Their bias knows no bounds.
David Hallwood
77 Posted 21/10/2018 at 12:23:59
Steve(#72) But if you look at the RS and Citteh's front line they don't play with a tip; a Lukaku or a Kane, they have a fluent 3. Firmino and Aquero are the respective CF's, but they aren't target men and you will see them (and of course the other 2) popping up all over the place. False No.9 in the modern parlance.

I'd like to see us adopt this sort of formation, because it's a nightmare to defend against because it isn't predictable and of course if we get it right, great to watch.

It's still very early days in the Silva era, but against Leicester, I think we had 16 goal attempts; and that was away! Did FSA have that many in his entire tenure away from home?

As I said early days, there will be lots of bumps in the road, but 3pts today COYB.

Colin Malone
78 Posted 21/10/2018 at 12:25:03
Let's hope we can get past the parked bus, with some guile from Barnard.
Jay Wood

79 Posted 21/10/2018 at 12:33:18
Steve @ 72.

You kinda answered (even contradicted) your doubts about Richarlison playing a central forward role. I deliberately refrain from using the term 'striker'.

As a keen observer of tactics and as someone who has quoted Jonathon Wilson's 'Inverting The Pyramid', you are well aware of the evolution of football tactics and formations.

The traditional #9 you reference - a largely static carved-in-granite figure at the 'tip of the spear' - is an endangered species in modern day football and rarely seen.

As you yourself reference, the front four against Leicester was fluid and dynamic, with all four of them constantly switching positions and capable of fulfilling the role of the other three.

With Tosun, Niasse or (to a lesser extent, because he is quicker and more mobile) DCL playing that central role the dynamic is different, but Ricarlison most definitely demonstrated he can play a 'provisional' #9 role in the way Silva instructed the team to play.

If Ricarlison had played or in the future is asked to play the static #9 role you referenced then - yes - I would agree with you. You blunt and detract from what he can offer the team.

But that wasn't the role he played against Leicester, was it?

An essential part of a manager's planning is how to best exploit the opposition. And Silva did that brilliantly against the Foxes. Recall the key fouls of Morgan on Richarlison. None of them were central. All were out wide, oft times far upfield away from the penalty area where Morgan would be more in his comfort zone.

Yes, teams will get wise to this and attempt to counter this new fluid dynamic front four Everton fielded against Leicester.

That will be Silver's challenge. To rotate the squad and tactics to best exploit the different opposition on any given day.

Dave Abrahams
80 Posted 21/10/2018 at 13:11:19
I think the way we attacked at Leicester is the way to continue, did we have a striker? I just thought there was lots of movement between the players, something we haven't seen often enough over the last few seasons.

Let's have more of that and continue with more shots from outside the box, not just Sigurdsson but a few more players, more shots from distance should increase the goal tally: and that always comes in handy.

Geoff Lambert
81 Posted 21/10/2018 at 13:11:54
All the posters saying it should be an easy 3 points!!

I give you West Ham.

This is Everton don't forget, I am a bit long in the tooth to be expecting us to just walk all over this poor little Palace team.

Please Blues prove me wrong and let's see some quality ball play and plenty of attempts on goal.

Alan J Thompson
82 Posted 21/10/2018 at 13:12:39
One out of the box, if Gueye isn't fit then either Tosun or, preferably, Lookman with Lookman, Walcott and Bernard rotating positions into midfield. Not knowing Coleman's fitness level, I'd stick with Kenny.
Jimmy Salt
83 Posted 21/10/2018 at 13:25:11
4-0 — I've got a fiver on it!
Andrew Clare
84 Posted 21/10/2018 at 14:38:37
Good luck Blues. I hope every Evertonian where ever they are has a great day today.
Harry Hockley
85 Posted 21/10/2018 at 14:46:51
Ray #35, I know we should of cruised all those games and we should cruise this one too.

I'm praying Zaha is out for this one because they'll target Kenny as a weak link at the back, they still will even without Zaha, Kenny's performances have been below the standard we need at this level, he needs to start learning quick or his just another Pennington in the making I'm afraid.

Harry Hockley
86 Posted 21/10/2018 at 14:47:58
Thanks, Andrew. You too, Sir!
Brian Murray
87 Posted 21/10/2018 at 14:52:48
We really need to be getting the most out of Lookman either from the start or say just after half-time.
Dave Abrahams
88 Posted 21/10/2018 at 15:07:14
Geoff (91), fair enough, haven't seen the subs bench.
Tom Evans
89 Posted 21/10/2018 at 15:07:33
Is Zaha in their side?
Stephen Davies
90 Posted 21/10/2018 at 15:09:56
Tom #93
Unfortunately..Yes he is

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