The Rugby World Cup Final early on Saturday morning ends in severe disappointment for England, trounced 32-12 by South Africa, who win the treasured gold pot for the third time.
Meanwhile, a relatively full slate of games in the Premier League started with a defeat for Man Utd at Bournemouth. The final scores in the 3 pm games are:
Arsenal 1-1 Wolves
Aston Villa 1-2 Liverpool
Brighton 2-0 Norwich City
Manchester City 2-1 Southampton
Sheffield Utd 3-0 Burnley
West Ham Utd 2-3 Newcastle Utd
Watford host Chelsea with a 5:30 pm kick-off.
And before Everton take on Spurs on Sunday, there's a tantalizing top-six clash between Crystal Palace and Leicester City.
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1 Posted 02/11/2019 at 11:49:53
Oh for Coaches who are willing to try to be different and see if they can win by doing something original rather than just stopping the opposition from what they can do and hoping for the best.
Hang on, is that Mark Ella tackling Jonah Loma?
Hope still springs, apparently.
2 Posted 02/11/2019 at 12:47:57
I must say, I thought England looked stand-offish, with some appalling defending, disorganised even. They reminded me of Everton. Just goes to show, rather than rugby being better to watch than football, it all depends on the individual match. Some are good, some less so.
3 Posted 02/11/2019 at 13:07:11
The lack of bottle was indeed very reminiscent of the current Everton side.
Maybe England's rugby hierarchy should consider replacing Eddie (no knighthood this year) Jones with Jurgen Klopp.
4 Posted 02/11/2019 at 13:09:36
At least when Everton come up short we can resign ourselves with the fact it's one club among 90 plus in the English league. In the rugby it's worse, when you consider the whole of the Northern hemisphere has only won once out of 9 competitions. Between us, we account for 6.5 of Earth's 7.3 billion people and we still cannot win! So oddly, that makes me feel much better about Everton.
5 Posted 02/11/2019 at 13:15:26
6 Posted 02/11/2019 at 13:18:01
Not to make matters worse but where I'm from down South, "bottle" means ass. As in "Bottle and glass = ass"
7 Posted 02/11/2019 at 13:18:33
8 Posted 02/11/2019 at 13:19:27
9 Posted 02/11/2019 at 13:19:52
10 Posted 02/11/2019 at 13:23:55
11 Posted 02/11/2019 at 13:24:08
12 Posted 02/11/2019 at 13:25:45
We wind up each other mercilessly over the England - Wales thing, never more so when it comes to rugby. So to hear that from him left me concerned about his health.
Today's performance was chalk and cheese. Things started badly and quickly got worse. They were routed by South Africa in every phase and aspect of the game.
Such a precipitous drop off from the performance of 7 days ago. Nobody in a white shirt did themselves justice today. They were outplayed in every aspect of the game and South Africa were fully deserving of their win.
In particular, giving that nation's history, it was so nice to see the Bok's black players running in the tries to seal the win.
13 Posted 02/11/2019 at 13:28:03
Haha remember that film, "Carry on up the Kyber" the title makes better sense now
14 Posted 02/11/2019 at 13:47:42
15 Posted 02/11/2019 at 14:01:06
This contrasts with football, where in Britain there are loads of black players at the top. So British rugby still seems mainly white, whilst British football (which has far more money) is mixed.
Given the dominance and popularity of rugby in the Southern Hemisphere, you'd think there'd be a mixture of races in the England team, wouldn't you? I know rugby in England was traditionally white middle class stuff, but surely this has changed?
16 Posted 02/11/2019 at 14:02:58
We had our own slang and sayings in the Pool!
17 Posted 02/11/2019 at 14:06:46
Good point. I think part of the issue is that it's an "old boys club." I used to play club rugby, invariably the captain was the weakest player but a private school kid whose Dad and Grandad had been captains, coaches in the past.
We had one black student at my high school. Brilliant all rounder at sports, but the only one he was really embraced in was the football. The cricket and rugby teams seemed to be picked on birthright as we always had kids who'd never shown up for PE or sports suddenly in the team when it was time to play a game.
18 Posted 02/11/2019 at 14:13:34
Plenty of diversity there, I think!
19 Posted 02/11/2019 at 14:17:38
But how many "men of colour" were born in those nations? It's one thing recruiting an established Fijian whose Grandad was Welsh, but there aren't many British-born non-whites who play the game. That's where they need to improve.
20 Posted 02/11/2019 at 14:44:50
21 Posted 02/11/2019 at 14:47:37
I believe that Rugby League - played mainly in Lancashire and Yorkshire, is very well represented by minorities. Leeds' Jamie Jones Buchanan is an active ambassador for such wider representation.
22 Posted 02/11/2019 at 15:23:48
23 Posted 02/11/2019 at 15:26:16
24 Posted 02/11/2019 at 15:29:20
25 Posted 02/11/2019 at 15:30:48
26 Posted 02/11/2019 at 15:33:41
27 Posted 02/11/2019 at 15:34:28
28 Posted 02/11/2019 at 15:41:20
29 Posted 02/11/2019 at 15:42:25
I see Steve Bruce is working his magic again.
30 Posted 02/11/2019 at 15:50:11
31 Posted 02/11/2019 at 15:50:33
32 Posted 02/11/2019 at 15:55:58
33 Posted 02/11/2019 at 16:02:09
34 Posted 02/11/2019 at 16:03:44
Don't get caught up with a Gary 'boring as arseholes trying to rewrite the English language saying' Neville, as he's clueless, which means he has a clue, or does it? So confused.
35 Posted 02/11/2019 at 16:13:44
That's drive. That's what we need to see from our guys.
36 Posted 02/11/2019 at 16:14:29
37 Posted 02/11/2019 at 16:15:45
38 Posted 02/11/2019 at 16:17:41
39 Posted 02/11/2019 at 16:17:47
I'm watching the same game. Man City just trying to walk the ball into the net.
40 Posted 02/11/2019 at 16:18:03
41 Posted 02/11/2019 at 16:19:21
Lomu was one the greatest athletes I've ever seen in any sport. Absolutely tragic his was stricken with kidney disease as a young man.
42 Posted 02/11/2019 at 16:21:17
43 Posted 02/11/2019 at 16:26:40
44 Posted 02/11/2019 at 16:28:42
45 Posted 02/11/2019 at 16:28:47
46 Posted 02/11/2019 at 16:31:13
47 Posted 02/11/2019 at 16:36:29
48 Posted 02/11/2019 at 16:42:37
49 Posted 02/11/2019 at 16:44:21
50 Posted 02/11/2019 at 16:45:17
51 Posted 02/11/2019 at 16:45:53
52 Posted 02/11/2019 at 16:47:52
53 Posted 02/11/2019 at 16:49:20
54 Posted 02/11/2019 at 16:49:27
55 Posted 02/11/2019 at 16:49:52
For those that missed it - camera panned to him just as Man City scored against Southampton - and we was going mad!!
56 Posted 02/11/2019 at 16:53:08
57 Posted 02/11/2019 at 16:56:06
58 Posted 02/11/2019 at 16:57:11
59 Posted 02/11/2019 at 16:57:49
60 Posted 02/11/2019 at 16:58:10
You can't really argue with their wins, they have bags of character and it's hard to see them losing a game this season let's be honest
61 Posted 02/11/2019 at 16:59:47
62 Posted 02/11/2019 at 17:01:00
63 Posted 02/11/2019 at 17:01:23
64 Posted 02/11/2019 at 17:02:41
65 Posted 02/11/2019 at 17:02:52
66 Posted 02/11/2019 at 17:03:45
67 Posted 02/11/2019 at 17:04:11
68 Posted 02/11/2019 at 17:05:20
69 Posted 02/11/2019 at 17:12:45
70 Posted 02/11/2019 at 17:14:30
71 Posted 02/11/2019 at 17:15:26
Anyone hear about some fight between Duncan Ferguson and Boa Morte?
72 Posted 02/11/2019 at 17:19:53
73 Posted 02/11/2019 at 17:26:05
I remember people saying that Kenwright saved us, stopped us going the same way as Leeds and Forest, and Blackburn and Leicester who have never had it so good since they went into administration, and you wonder why we are the way we are?
Fuck Liverpool, concentrate on Everton, the club who have played more top flight football than anyone but seem to have lost the pragmatism required to go and win trophies?
It's hard, I watch us play and see loads of people desperate to get behind our team, but the team don't give us enough to shout about. This leads to anger, it leads to frustration, but this can change, I just don't fucking know when?
74 Posted 02/11/2019 at 17:27:24
75 Posted 02/11/2019 at 17:29:43
76 Posted 02/11/2019 at 17:39:06
However, our concern can only be our beloved Blues who are languishing so badly. Thank God it is still early in the season so that the powers to be can address the situation now so that they can recover and at least get back to being a competitive team.
We are all sick of the situation not helped by the RS miracles so come on Moshiri do something !!!
77 Posted 02/11/2019 at 17:45:36
78 Posted 02/11/2019 at 17:49:16
Frankfurt 5 Bayern Munich 1 (Boateng straight red in 9 minutes probably had a lot to do with that).
RB Leipzig 8 Mainz 0 (Lookman not even on the bench, as has been the case pretty much since he joined them).
79 Posted 02/11/2019 at 17:52:03
80 Posted 02/11/2019 at 17:54:11
81 Posted 02/11/2019 at 18:00:29
The Bundesliga is particularly entertaining this year.
82 Posted 02/11/2019 at 18:03:59
Do people realize just how poor we have been in second halves of PL games this season
In our first 8 games, Richarlison's winner v Wolves was our only second half goal.
In the last two, Siggy's late strike v WHU and DCL's goal v Brighton in a losing cause are our only other second half goals in 10 games.
3 second half goals in 450 minutes of second half football.
Another reason we are struggling this season.
83 Posted 02/11/2019 at 18:07:57
By the way, even though they lost, my boy McGinn wasn't out of place against Liverpool.
I spoke too soon... my boys have just pulled one back. Ha'way the Hibeees!
84 Posted 02/11/2019 at 18:11:49
85 Posted 02/11/2019 at 18:16:12
Tony, it sure is. Usually a dull, predictable league, but not this year. BTW I opined here a couple years ago that I'd like to see us bid for Thorgan Hazard, Eden's little brother and a Chelsea flop who was looking good at Monchengladbach. Dortmund got him instead and he looks to be finally turning into a major star there. (sighing wistfully)
86 Posted 02/11/2019 at 18:20:51
I'd like us to start doing that and have us talking about it, rather than looking at the other teams that play with the sense of purpose we'd like to see.
87 Posted 02/11/2019 at 18:21:38
88 Posted 02/11/2019 at 18:39:48
89 Posted 02/11/2019 at 18:44:24
90 Posted 02/11/2019 at 19:04:42
Guess it's time for a change of manager at Watford!!
91 Posted 02/11/2019 at 19:09:19
92 Posted 02/11/2019 at 19:09:31
93 Posted 02/11/2019 at 19:10:45
94 Posted 02/11/2019 at 19:11:04
95 Posted 02/11/2019 at 19:13:08
96 Posted 02/11/2019 at 19:13:33
97 Posted 02/11/2019 at 19:17:38
98 Posted 02/11/2019 at 19:19:47
Meanwhile, I loved watching those scenes of celebration from the mostly black crowds in Port Elizabeth after the final. There was something politically poetic about that. The Springboks dominated from the first kick and totally outplayed a very poor english side who when push came to shove lacked bottle when they were up against it.
Congratulations to South Africa – and Lyndon! Many tears will be shed in England's public schools!
99 Posted 02/11/2019 at 19:21:06
100 Posted 02/11/2019 at 19:23:19
A slow painful death is what's going to happen to this once very exciting spectator sport, if something isn't done about some of these pathetic VAR decisions and the cheating involved in football imo.
101 Posted 02/11/2019 at 19:29:01
He's not getting much time because he's not the superstar some on here were claiming he is/was. He's played but he's not made the impact!
102 Posted 02/11/2019 at 19:39:26
Interesting to watch Chelsea this evening. How quickly did Lampard get them playing?? Not only has he done that but he's integrated new signings plus welcomed back 3 loans (that l count), and promoted a couple youngsters. Seems like the transfer ban could be a blessing in disguise. If Chelsea don't have this ban what happens? Well for a start we might of got Zouma and Abraham's. They would of gone out and spent a shit load as per usual. So perhaps there is a lesson here for us. That's right, get a good coach in.
103 Posted 02/11/2019 at 20:23:53
104 Posted 02/11/2019 at 20:26:29
Bookmakers, sponsors, newspapers and tv companies have way too much influence.
105 Posted 02/11/2019 at 21:20:21
106 Posted 02/11/2019 at 21:24:57
107 Posted 02/11/2019 at 21:31:31
Everton will rise again.
108 Posted 02/11/2019 at 21:33:24
Before VAR, referees allowed this cheating and VAR are allowing the same cheating, so nothing has changed except the decision to allow this â€˜ carry on' is being made in a studio instead of on the field. It really stinks, mind you morals have no meaning, these days, in plenty of places besides football.
109 Posted 03/11/2019 at 08:56:18
110 Posted 03/11/2019 at 09:00:55
111 Posted 03/11/2019 at 09:01:13
112 Posted 03/11/2019 at 09:10:29
What a load of bollocks that statement is.
113 Posted 03/11/2019 at 09:32:27
You never learn, Dave, I had to get off out of yours yesterday, when I heard you say Liverpool will score, can't you learn to jinx them bastards instead of me!
114 Posted 03/11/2019 at 09:38:15
Which Everton or Spurs for that matter, will turn up?
Which Manager, if any will soon be the possessor of a brand new P45? - none is my guess... more's the pity.
116 Posted 03/11/2019 at 12:52:15
117 Posted 03/11/2019 at 12:56:39
Sandro Ramirez SCORES
118 Posted 03/11/2019 at 13:01:35
119 Posted 03/11/2019 at 13:14:43
120 Posted 03/11/2019 at 13:19:40
121 Posted 04/11/2019 at 13:26:00
122 Posted 08/11/2019 at 21:15:48
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