Moshiri at Finch Farm to hold Silva talks

Thursday, 5 December, 2019 175comments  |  Jump to last

Updated Everton's owner Farhad Moshiri traveled to Finch Farm today where an imminent decision is expected regarding the future of Marco Silva.

The Iranian-born billionaire was pictured leaving Runcon train station before traveling to the club's training complex amid fevered media speculation that Silva will be sacked today following yet another damaging defeat. He was joined by Sasha Ryazantsev, his representative on the Board, and Chairman Bill Kenwright.

Three days after throwing away a 1-0 lead at Leicester, the Toffees were beaten 5-2 in last night's Merseyside derby, their eighth defeat in their last 11 games.

It appeared last Friday as though Silva would be given more time following an interview by Director of Football, Marcel Brands, in which the Dutchman stressed that the club was going to stay united and that the manager would be retained.

The nature of the derby defeat, however, in which Everton conceded four first-half goals for only the second time in the Premier League era, combined with the supporters' reaction, might have forced Moshiri's hands.

Everton's players were also reportedly asked to stay behind after training to be addressed by the owner and at 7pm the first report emerged via the BBC claiming that Silva had been sacked and would not be in charge against Chelsea on Saturday.  


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Joe McMahon
1 Posted 05/12/2019 at 16:49:55
Talksport are hearing that its gonna be Moyes. I could cry.
Gary Carter
2 Posted 05/12/2019 at 16:49:57
Will it be Pochettino, Rafa, Simeone or Moyes and Cahill?

Hmm… I wonder. 🙄

Anthony A Hughes
3 Posted 05/12/2019 at 16:50:03
We're in the Endgame now.

Or maybe not.

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

4 Posted 05/12/2019 at 16:51:15
Our indecision is final and non-negotiable!
Mark Guglielmo
5 Posted 05/12/2019 at 16:51:24
Rumor has it Gylfi didn't show up, Pickford couldn't quite catch most of what was directed his way, and everything went over Keane's head.
Steve Ferns
6 Posted 05/12/2019 at 16:51:43
Moshiri doesn't strike me as the type to lay into a group of men. More likely he will just explain what's happening. More likely words of encouragement than the bollocking any of us would give them.
Tony Hill
7 Posted 05/12/2019 at 16:51:58
The usual clarity and decisiveness. As in the boardroom so on the pitch.
Les Moorcroft
8 Posted 05/12/2019 at 16:53:14
One thing for me is final: if it's 'bring a knife to a gunfight', I won't be bringing myself again.
Graham Coldron
9 Posted 05/12/2019 at 16:54:04
The look on Silva's face last night spoke volumes and indicated that he knows that his time is up. As usual, Everton always keep you waiting. Just get it sorted, Everton.
Steve Ferns
10 Posted 05/12/2019 at 17:00:18
The Torygraph have an interesting story here. Apparently Brands has gone in to bat for Silva and trying to convince Moshiri to give him more time.

That causes concern on two fronts, not just that Silva remains, but it also hints that he does not have anyone lined up to come in immediately.

So, if true, I wonder what the split would be on Silva or Moyes for the next game.

Alan J Thompson
11 Posted 05/12/2019 at 17:00:22
If Moshiri was going to sack him today he wouldn't get off at Runcorn, he'd call Silva to him while the position was explained to the players at Finch Farm. He'll just be told how long he has to turn it round and that his Christmas present is in his own hands.
Peter Gorman
12 Posted 05/12/2019 at 17:00:24
I am actually starting to hate the club I love.
James Stewart
13 Posted 05/12/2019 at 17:01:40
What can there possibly be left to talk about with Silva? Be gone with you!
Derek Knox
14 Posted 05/12/2019 at 17:02:20
Don't feel sorry for Silva or Moshiri, both have been culpable in this train crash, I just wish they would say something sensible, or to give everyone some hope for survival!
Mick Conalty
15 Posted 05/12/2019 at 17:03:02
I hope he was'nt seen leaving the second class carriage it will mean he has run out of Dosh. Or was it his own private train. I hope he's got a one way ticket for Silva, second class of course.
Mike Oates
16 Posted 05/12/2019 at 17:04:05
Can’t believe Moshiri is fully ready to ditch his man just yet, and sounds like Brands wants more time for Silva. Kenwright will be ready to What’s App his mate Moyes to take over.
But will Brands want to stay as well if Silva ditched and Moyes gets job. Will Moyes be willing to work with DOF denying him his wish to run the lot as I’m sure he wants to.
I don’t think it’s just an easy sack Silva job, there is far more at stake, maybe even Moshiri’s willingness to keep pumping in millions.
David Hallwood
17 Posted 05/12/2019 at 17:05:03
Nice one Mark#5, it would be lot funnier if it wasn't so near to the feckin truth
Jordan Wood
18 Posted 05/12/2019 at 17:06:07
No interim appointment, please. Either get the man you want, long term, or let silva continue after a January transfer window until the summer.
Bill Watson
19 Posted 05/12/2019 at 17:06:08
Surely this truly awful manager won't be given even more time.

Not biting the bullet now is merely delaying the inevitable. Silva is a piss poor manager on so many fronts.

Just do it.

Craig Walker
20 Posted 05/12/2019 at 17:07:33
If Brands thinks that Silva deserves time then sack the both of them.

I remember being excited when Moyes walked in the door, called us the People's Club and got Unsworth scoring in the first few minutes against Fulham. Football has changed and Moyes hasn't.

Please don't bring him back.

I'm deeply concerned for our future. We're heading to be the next Leeds United or Nottingham Forest.

David Stranack
21 Posted 05/12/2019 at 17:09:11
Mark Guglielmo [9] On a day where my Mrs thinks theres something wrong with our relationship because I've had a face like a slapped arse all day, and of course I haven't laughed much - I thank you sir!
Derek Knox
22 Posted 05/12/2019 at 17:10:46
Breaking News!

Boy's pen Bill has sent out for a Pantomime Horse's Outfit, a Mankini, a Bottle of Gin, and a round of sandwiches, what the f*** is that all about?

John Keating
23 Posted 05/12/2019 at 17:11:07
I just hope that as he has asked the players to stay behind, he has the balls, after binning Silva, to tell the players how much they've contributed to his sacking.

Not that it will probably bother them. They'll be more interested in getting home safely in their Ferrari's and Bentley's to check their bank balances.

Paul Tran
24 Posted 05/12/2019 at 17:12:21
Is that our new centaur forward, Derek?
Derek Knox
25 Posted 05/12/2019 at 17:16:52
Could be Paul T, although I will have to consult the Oracle at (Fabian) Delphi!
Mark Daley
26 Posted 05/12/2019 at 17:17:30
Bring back Harry Catterick. OK, he’s dead but even so...
Mick Conalty
27 Posted 05/12/2019 at 17:20:48
The poor players, undressed last night and addressed today. Should be the shortest address in history 2 words the second word being off.
Paul Kennedy
28 Posted 05/12/2019 at 17:25:47
Either he goes or I do!
Neal Kernohan
29 Posted 05/12/2019 at 17:26:22
Anyone who can keep us safe this year will do me!
Derek Knox
30 Posted 05/12/2019 at 17:28:32
Neal, do you mean the Armed Forces?
Frank Sheppard
31 Posted 05/12/2019 at 17:28:58
As Toyah said, “It’s a Mystery”.
Can they not decide? Can they not get their man? Do they seriously think Silva is remotely confident? Are they asking him to resign to save £? Is the delay because the asked Silva a question, and he is still going through one of his long, meaningless waffles about “moments” and they can’t stop him?
Danny O'Neill
32 Posted 05/12/2019 at 17:29:44
Not Moyes please. It will divide us even more & is a backwards step even given the position we are in.

Noticed the current voting on the Grand Old Team poll for / against Moyes returning:

1348 Yes
5812 No

That is a landslide & echo's the sentiment on here after Norwich when the rumours surfaced then.

Why make a hugely unpopular decision & potentially bad footballing one given his recent record? If the club's media team are monitoring the web & social media to gather data & advise, you'd think they'd listen . oh wait, it's Everton. Moyes it is then.

Phil Smith
33 Posted 05/12/2019 at 17:32:14
Some of these comments really cheered me up. Won't be totally happy until I read that he's been sacked though. Don't think I've ever wanted a manager out of my club as much as this before. Silva out! I'd take anyone over him. Please not Moyes. He'd sort the defence out at least.
Charles Brewer
34 Posted 05/12/2019 at 17:32:19
Has he gone yet?
Mick Conalty
35 Posted 05/12/2019 at 17:32:29
Paul#28 can I go with you
Keith Monaghan
36 Posted 05/12/2019 at 17:32:57
Replacing Silva with another manager will make little or no difference.
What Moshiri must do to move the club forward is remove Bill Kenwright & all the ineffective hangers on (i.e. Ferguson, Unsworth, Jeffers, Ebbrell etc), and let his man i.e. Brands do the job he was brought in to do.
All BK ever does is go back to failures & non-achievers - in spite of some bad signings, particularly before Brands came on board, why are there so few truly home-grown young players coming through from the youth set-up? Going back didn't even work with Howard Kendall, who was successful first time round partly at least because the club gave him time.
The sale of Lukaku in order to get Rooney back was obviously a ridiculous move at the time, clearly initiated and driven by BK for his own sentimental reasons, and caused the waste of a season, demonstrated a lack of ambition and entrenched us in a low-scoring, painfully slow playing style.
This non-sensical speculation about bringing back Moyes, who made us a laughing stock by his treatment of the club in his last 6 months, needs killing rapidly.
A J Marmont
37 Posted 05/12/2019 at 17:34:59
Andy Gray had it spot on last night on BeIn Sports. Marco Silva's position at our once great club is now untenable. He has to go.
Rob Marsh
38 Posted 05/12/2019 at 17:40:35
The board is far too shrewd to bring Moyes in, they'd never do it! At least not while Mike Walker is available and willing!
Simon Dalzell
39 Posted 05/12/2019 at 17:42:07
Frank #31. To be fair to the poor girl. Toyah ACTUALLY said ' Itthh a mithtewwy '.
Only Everton could drag it out like this.
Alexander Murphy
40 Posted 05/12/2019 at 17:42:47
Why on earth do we need a manager for the remainder of the season ?

Either the bloke they have in mind can do the sodding job or he can't. So having some boring turd "minding the coats" makes bugger all sense.

And as DoF then surely Brands must already have some names to discuss positively with The Mosh, I mean that is his job isn't it ?

Last bloody thing we need is bloody Widow Twanky interfering unless The Mosh & Brands preface Bills input with "Whatever the gushing one says is an automatic NO!"

If we thought a shit start to the season, getting tonked at Anfiled and dropping into the bottom three was embarassing, now we have to stand by with our kecks down as the three stooges appoint fuckin Arthur Arsekey !

"Matron, my revolver, set one less place for supper. I'm taking a stroll in the woods".

Charles Brewer
41 Posted 05/12/2019 at 17:42:56
I have just run the comments on this thread through my company's Sentiment Analysis application. The three factors which come across strongly are anticipation (reasonable), trust (an ambiguous measure which also indicates that trust is an issue, not that people trust what they are hearing.

But the big one is fear. This is rarely a major component of news stories, texts or speeches, but it is very high on TW at the moment. The profile for Michael's report and the BTL comments has exactly the same profile as does Lyndon's.

At least we are consistent. We are fearful.

Jacques Sandtonian
42 Posted 05/12/2019 at 17:44:30
Knowing the invertebrate species that are indigenous to the Everton boardroom, Moshiri has probably kept the players behind after training to ask them if he should sack their manager and if they know anyone who might be interested.
Danny Broderick
43 Posted 05/12/2019 at 17:45:22
Hopefully Silva will be given the bullet, and Brands and the players left in no uncertain terms that they must improve their performance or they'll be out.

The performance of the whole club at the moment is woeful. We've absolutely spunked £500 million on crap players. The money for Bramley-Moore Dock will probably go on players now and we'll still be at Goodison Park in 20 years time. I hope Moshiri and his henchmen give them both barrels.

Kristian Boyce
44 Posted 05/12/2019 at 17:47:46
Still not gone...
Phil Greenough
45 Posted 05/12/2019 at 17:48:33
Why Danny, what are the Board going to do to the players, if they don't pull their finger out? How will "They be out"? Like Niasse or Schneiderlin? The Board are just paper tigers.
Eddie Dunn
46 Posted 05/12/2019 at 17:48:36
There is one other scenario. Moyes is coming in to work alongside Silva, concentrating on the defence.
Rob Marsh
47 Posted 05/12/2019 at 17:48:41
Danny # 43

Both barrels?

Yes Danny they were savaged with the feather duster Bill Kenwright passed to Moshiri.

Karl Meighan
48 Posted 05/12/2019 at 17:49:17
Hopefully Moshiri tells everyone of them players they are for sale and available in January.

The fact that most consider Digne one of are best players just about sums this wreckage of a Club up.

Derek Knox
49 Posted 05/12/2019 at 17:50:19
Kristian, how do you know that? Heard nothing yet and I have SSN and Radio all on for GNUS!
Brian Hennessy
50 Posted 05/12/2019 at 17:51:29
I can't believe i'm saying this but if it comes to a choice between keeping Silva or having Moyes back, i'd sooner keep Silva.

Of course it shouldn't be a simple as that and we should have someone else/better in mind, but I wonder what other people's views would be if it came down to this -

Give Silva more time, or have Moyes on the sidelines at Goodison this weekend??

Mike Oates
51 Posted 05/12/2019 at 17:53:21
Whoever takes over has/will inherited, one of, if not the worse squad in the current Premiership. Forget the transfer window we've got to live with likes of Pickford, Holgate, Keane, Mina, Davies, Sigurdsson, Schneiderlin as the backbone of our team. You can pair whoever with whoever you want in the defence/midfield but there isn't a combination in that lot who will stop the rot. We will be conceding goals like there's no tomorrow, well into Feb/Mar at the earliest.
Top teams will come to Goodison and smash us to bits, the other 14 teams will come to Goodison, park the bus and hit us on the break, knowing that they'll be given golden opportunities on a plate. We'll actually pass to them, give them the ball on the halfway line and then all they have to do is run at the defence, who will part like Moses and the Red Sea and say "there you are have a goal"

Whose fault, Silva, coaches, Brands, lack of decent academy players, doesn't matter, we are where we are with a 3rd rate squad and even if Klopp came in he couldn't save us !

Danny O'Neill
52 Posted 05/12/2019 at 17:53:49
Sadly it's Silva for me Brian if its between those 2
Danny Broderick
53 Posted 05/12/2019 at 17:54:12
Phil (45),

Can a big boss not tell his staff that what they are producing is not good enough?

Can a big boss not tell his staff that they will be replaced if they don’t improve?

The players might well be able to throw Silva under the bus. If I was Moshiri, I would make it clear that they will not throw him under a bus. He can afford to let them rot in the reserves if required. They either buck up, or rot in the reserves.

Peter Neilson
54 Posted 05/12/2019 at 17:54:16
Wish it was as easy as putting players up for sale. We can't shift most of this bunch as no other club will pay them as much. It's going to be a case of winding the contracts down over the next few years. Can't even put them out on loan.
Brian Wilkinson
55 Posted 05/12/2019 at 17:55:26
Take a bow Mark@5, even after checking all Day and still no announcement, you managed to bring me out of my Groundhog Day and gave me a laugh, with those words of wisdom.

Made me chuckle anyway.

Derek Knox
56 Posted 05/12/2019 at 17:56:01
Brian @ 50, I can't believe you are actually saying that either!

What was it John McEnroe said at Wimbledon?

Suicide rates would hit an all time record high, Global Warming would increase, we're doomed, we're doomed!

Paul Davies
57 Posted 05/12/2019 at 17:58:56
Read the Barney Ronay article on The Guardian website:

Marco Silva appears to be done in England – but he remains a managerial mystery

It sums up this shit show perfectly.

Billy Roberts
58 Posted 05/12/2019 at 17:59:39
Danny @43, I know you're upset like the rest of us but stop being silly, will you. I agree wholeheartedly about your position on the clusterfuck of a season but I can't see it derailing any stadium plans, mate.
Brian Williams
59 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:01:34
I have to admit to having no clue whatsoever about who should come in or whether anything would significantly change no matter who it was.

I remember saying to Tony A and his dad at one of the get-togethers (after the 4-0 win against Man Utd I think) that I felt Silva was the man and I thought he'd take us onwards and upwards and be here for some significant time. How wrong could I be?

Thing is I find myself numb and not knowing what or who to want. It's a feeling of total and utter despair that has been with me for weeks and has been getting worse the worse we've done.

I sometimes wish I could walk away because this is fucking affecting my life in a really bad way.

I was looking forward to a really good Christmas but some chance of that! Am I a fucking idiot for letting it mean so much?

Rob Marsh
60 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:01:59
Surely they have to send Silva on his way and put Ferguson or Rihno in charge for the next few games, can it get any worse?

Yes it can! Gollom leading us into Mordor!

He took a knife to a gunfight last time he was with us, and that was him at his peak. He's older and tired, so what would it be now? Moyes with his feather duster into that flamethrower fight we had last night with the RS?

Colin Glassar
61 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:02:10
Moshiri will probably show them a bunch of charts and graphs explaining the clubs future in numbers just like an accountant would. Kenwright will do a bit of tap dancing whilst whistling one of his West End productions and then come out with “What a manager!”

Amateur hour continues.

Danny Broderick
62 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:03:01
I wish I had your confidence, Billy. We've only seen pictures of a stadium so far.
Kieran Kinsella
63 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:05:02
Honestly, it might be better if they just announce they closing down the club then it will force us to move on from this miserable existence.
Andrew Keatley
64 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:05:50
I am starting to think we need to sack Brands as well as Silva.
David Pearl
65 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:05:52
I would wager that most of the "No, no, no, Moyes, waah waah, he left us to join Utd. Knife to a gunfight, waah top 6 booo, finishes 4th after selling Rooney, waah" people, well, I'm really guessing you're the same bunch that said Martinez only finished 5th his first season because he had Moyes's defence? Hmm, thought so.

First off Silva needs to go. I've never seen a manager so out of his depth.. I'm not even sure he will be gone at this point. Any new manager won't even have a training session before our next game. If Silva is here still, l will back Chelsea. If he isn't, then l'm backing the blues.

Also a watchful eye on Richarlison. Who I'd pair with Kean. Have lwobi behind them. Davies and Bernard together in midfield. Schneiderlin sitting deep and under instruction to find runners ahead, if they are moving. And a back 4.

We have to play 3 in midfield, not at the back. Control the game. And fuck me, this supporting the blues is hard graft. I think Moshiri came to drop of Christmas cards.

Christopher Timmins
66 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:07:20
The next few hours will tell who is calling the shots as regards the manager. If Moyes is back it can only be seen as a slap in the face for Brands who obviously has not had enough time to find a suitable candidate. Of course there is the possibility that he has had the time and none are interested in the role in which case he has to be batting for Silva.

So given the choice between Silva and Moyes who do you want?

John Pierce
67 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:08:27
Moshiri and Kenwright, they’re deffo a bit of a ropey 70s double act aren’t they?
Graham Coldron
68 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:09:20
In the absence of any statement, it looks like Silva could be staying. I've experienced most things in life: marriage, kids, redundancy... but never relegation.
Riley Masters
69 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:10:15
Moyes or Silva?

Neither. Rhino or Dunc for me. This is ridiculous, Silva should have been given the boot last night. We used to laugh at Moyes for his dithering, but he moved like the Flash compared to this slow motion car crash.

What a joke.

Kunal Desai
70 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:10:34
I don't hold much hope around this amateur board making any decisive decisions. How many crunch meetings have they held with Silva over the last fortnight. Shambles of a club.
Jason Broome
71 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:10:34
Chris @ 66... Moyes. But I'd rather have Ancelotti.
Paul Tran
72 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:12:11
I wonder if the players are still there, how long the 'address' is/was, whether anyone's decided anything yet?
Kieran Kinsella
73 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:12:40
Brands can fuck off too. Yeah, AZ won the league in his first season as DoF but Van Gaal was the coach. PSV won the league the year before he joined but it was 5 years before they won it again in a two-team league.
Andy Wilkinson
74 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:13:03
Silva seems like a nice enough chap. A bit like Roberto. But relagation is a very real prospect. I d have big Sam back rather than keep Silva.

Moyes would keep us up just by tightening up the defence but agree it would be a backward step.

IMO - I like the idea of Marcello Gallado or Bielsa.

I can't cope with not knowing. The silence is killing me.

Andrew Keatley
75 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:13:35
Christopher (66) - Not had enough time? Silva lost a large section of the fanbase after the Burnley game on 5th October; a victory against a thoroughly abject West Ham two weeks later saved his job.

Alarm bells should have been ringing then, and shouldn't really have stopped ringing. Brands and others are delaying, prevaricating and coming across like haven't got a clear idea what to do.

John P McFarlane
76 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:16:18
Paul 72 - Liverpool Williamson Square jobcentre for most of them.
Mike Doyle
77 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:17:33
No one doubts Marco is a nice bloke. I like to think I’m a nice bloke too. However, like Marco, I’m not qualified to manage/coach Everton either.
Danny O'Neill
78 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:18:47
Nothing to do with all of that for me David. I believe Notes was right at the time and done a fantastic job at the time. But he didn't progress himself or us & he is now outdated. He couldn't progress us in his last 3-4 years. He took the champions of England to 7th (or was it even 8th? - can't be bothered looking it up). Was very quickly relieved of his duties at Espanyol & got Sunderland relegated.

That's nothing against Moyes the person, just Moyes the manager.

He done a job for us at the time but I think he couldn't do that again now.

Bobby Mallon
79 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:18:56
Get the live forum going!
Brian Wilkinson
80 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:19:05
John @67, Statler and Waldorf Spring to mind.
Paul Tran
81 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:20:07
None of them will be down there, John, unless they're buying Williamson Square!
Pat Kelly
82 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:20:26
If they're still discussing who should replace Silva, is it likely they haven't approached anyone? Apart from Kenwright lining up Moyes.

If it's to be anyone else, then that'll take time and no guarantee they'll get who they want. Look how long it takes to sign players, and what we end up with.

I think we'll get an interim manager, most likely Moyes.

Rob Marsh
83 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:24:55
Graham # 68

Keep your chin up mate, you never know this time next week we could have Diego Simeone as our manager and Warren Buffet as our new owner after having completely cleared out the board of wingnuts and dingbats and feeling in a generous mood.

Derek Knox
84 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:26:40
Pat K, have they ordered a pizza yet, that could signal an announcement is imminent! 😂😋
Michael Kenrick
85 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:26:43
It's now gone 6 pm on what should be Silva's last day... and still nothing. Just astounding incompetence from this club. But I know they like to issue their wonderfully crafted "Offical Club Statements" at odd hours when they think no-one is paying too much attention. As if — in this 24/7 internet-driven era of saturation news links...

It's "Operation Goodison Exercise" all over. If anything epitomizes the utter brain-dead mindlessness of screaming that out at every game... does any other Premier League club find it necessary to do that during each and every home match?

Maybe Ged the Steward could explain it...

Gerry Quinn
86 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:27:39
I have a dreadful feeling that, the longer this is going on, the more likely the useless Manager will stay!
Anthony Murphy
87 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:27:59
Silva gone tonight, surely - I can't see Moshiri making that trip to Finch Farm for any other purpose. He's doing the decent (Everton?) thing and thanking him face to face for his efforts. Big Dunc in charge for Saturday...

Danny O'Neill
88 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:29:20
Didn't catch the edit in time!! **Notes = Moyes... on mobile on the train!!
Robert Tressell
89 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:31:31
Moyes would be so disappointing. But it will be a relief to see the back of Silva.

It's not really been mentioned but I think, as much as losing Gueye and Zouma has hurt us, losing Silva's experienced assistant manager has been a problem. That same Number 2 is doing very well with a little team back in Portugal now. Was he the driving force?

James Marshall
90 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:32:25
Gerry - yep, I'm beginning to think he's staying. Otherwise, why the delay? I have read that Brands wants Silva to be given more time..
Martin Mason
91 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:32:30
I don't think he's going to be fired. It's such a disastrous outcome for everybody at the club so maybe he'll keep his job.
Phil Greenough
92 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:34:23
They certainly can, Danny, to their heart's content. Whether the players take any notice is another matter. Once again I reiterate, what are the consequences for the player?

They don't confirm to the rules we have to adhere to. Martinez, Koeman and soon to be, Silva, reinforces my theory. They haven't performed, what are rhe consequences for them?

I'm sure the £60k a week, the players get paid, lessens the blow of sitting in the reserves

Riley Masters
93 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:34:30
I can only think they're so desperate to save a bit of wedge that they're keeping Silva on until the threats and dogs abuse force a resignation.

This has now stretched out so long as to be beyond absurd. Everton 2019 folks, we can't hire people and then we can't fire them either.

A total total joke.

Daniel A Johnson
94 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:35:32
Silva's form this season has been crap from the start, they can't have been caught short with no plan AGAIN surely???
Kristian Boyce
95 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:35:33
To be honest, I think he's staying. If the players were supposedly told to wait behind and were spoken to. You know at least one of them would have leaked something out if he was getting fired. There's been nothing for hours so I see him staying until at least after the weekend.
Pat Kelly
96 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:35:39
Derek, don't know if there's pizza but there's enough humble pie for everyone.
Gerry Quinn
97 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:35:47
I'll be totally honest and say that I have watched very few games this season – I find it sad after 60 years of supporting this club that I am reduced to fear and anger with how pathetic I these players appear to be...

If I had my way, I would get Peter Reid, Tim Cahill and Roy Keane, yes, Roy Keane, in at Finch Farm and on the sideline for a match or two...

Paul Jones
98 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:35:55
I anticipate that Moyes will be appointed the interim manager.
Richarlison "get out of contract clause to be met" in the next window.
Sign some misfits/or not wanted by United or Top Six club in exchange for Richarlison and undisclosed fee.
Sign a player called "Everton" but not the one widely linked with top teams.
Mark Tanton
99 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:37:31
What on Earth have us Evertonians done to be treated with such contempt? They produced a shameful performance last night, yet again. Sack him. We deserve better. How can any of us look forward to Chelsea? It feels like a chore.
Alexander Murphy
100 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:40:12
Imagine the sheer joy this coming Saturday as the sirens go off and Z-Cars makes the hairs on the back of the neck stand viagra stiff.

Then that cretin announcer bleats out "Give a Great Big Goodison Welcome to returning hero, David Elizbeth Moyes!"

Francis van Lierop
101 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:40:14
I hope a decision is made. Things can't go on like this.

The wedding between Diego Simeone and Atletico appears to be over, but as someone earlier noted, he'll be off to Arsenal with our luck.

Yes, Kieran @ 73, Louis van Gaal was the coach at AZ, but it was Marcel Brands who assembled the team.
PSV were on the ropes when he took over there.
He turned things around, with the academy finally bringing players through.
You'll not find anyone in our country echoing your words, it'll be the opposite.

As for the mess at our club, we can only wait and hope.

Daniel A Johnson
102 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:40:15
I think SIlva will get to after Christmas,

They will say it's them being supportive but in reality they are hanging him out to dry by making sure he finishes this tough stretch of fixtures, before a new victim is installed.

Derek Knox
103 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:41:46
Robert @ 89, yes a good point which was aired on here, some time ago, and endorsed by Steve Ferns, it does make you wonder, as Steve Ferns mentioned that Joao Pedro Sousa had been with Silva at every appointment, he has been lucky enough to acquire.

No real coincidence that he wanted to prove he is his own man, and not Silva's teddy bear, yet he has done well at his new Club, what has Silva done?

Mike Doyle
104 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:43:40
In yet more good news: the FA Cup derby match is to be televised. More festive fun.
Derek Knox
105 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:44:22
Pat K, true! I have choked on it so often, it is definitely off-limits in the interest of Dietary Compatibility!
Daniel A Johnson
106 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:45:11
Agree, Michael Kenrick [85] "Ding Dong ... Operation Goodison exercise"

Never ever understood what that was; at first, I thought a fan had left their car light on or something.

No such announcements at any other Premier League club...…..more amateur hour stuff from us no doubt.

Ian Edwards
107 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:47:25
If Dreary Dave returns, I'm done. We've spiralled backwards under Moshiri. How far we have gone backwards since singing Stuck with Moyes when winning at Old Trafford under Martinez.

I've been a supporter since 1978 and if he comes back, that's it for me. Divorce. I'll invest my support elsewhere such as Rugby League or lower division football.

Jeff Spiers
108 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:47:45
Brian @59. Trust me, mate, we are all suffering. Still like a fucking nightmare though. Soon we will all have a good night's sleep!!!!!
Mark Guglielmo
109 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:48:15
I put this in another thread, but maybe just maybe the delay was because they had a lengthy, transparent conversation with Marco where they let him know it wasn't working out, that they were in the late stages of bringing on his replacement, and in good faith they expected him to assume the "caretaker" role himself until things were sorted with the replacement. During which they assured Silva he'd get his £4m buyout clause money, and all parties walk away amicably.

This would also indicate that they're not in favor of making an interim panic move like Moyes would represent. And allow them to mirror the Spurs by firing Silva / announcing the hire of his replacement in the same week or even same press conference.

It's still speculation on my part but I believe it makes the most sense. Yes it'd be class if they told us that as fans, but if we're honest, that's an unreasonable expectation.

Neil Lawson
110 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:48:25
It's 7pm in Wetherspoons in Exeter. Why hasn't the loser been sacked. Should have happened by midday. Hopeless.
Mark Brennnan
111 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:49:00
Don't particularly want Moyes but if, as someone said elsewhere, going backwards stops us going downwards, I'm in.
Eddie Dunn
112 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:50:14
We limp on until January and then buy Phil Jones and Rojo.
Ian Edwards
113 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:50:43
Silva could have been sacked by the CEO. No need for Moshiri to turn up unless it's to meet the new manager and parade him. Expect Silva to be sacked shortly and a presser with the Dreary Gollum.
Duncan McDine
114 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:51:24
Mike Doyle 77... no one thinks you’re a nice guy.
Joe McMahon
115 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:51:45
Mark@111, I'm sure the Sunderland board thought the same. The fans didn't.
James Marshall
116 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:51:52
What say Moshiri has actually consulted the players and let them decide? Given that the board don't appear to have a clue what to do, is it beyond reality for him to have given them the casting vote?
Riley Masters
117 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:53:06
Mark G, that's a big reach lad.

You're the American fan are you not? Have you been to Goodison when the air is thick and toxic?

Silva looked like he was about to vomit at the tin mine last night. Silva sitting in the dugout against Frank Lampard's young team is to me, unfathomable. It would be completely pointless and counter productive, and really really piss off the natives.

Daniel A Johnson
118 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:54:32
The players have been asked to stay behind for two reasons.

1. To be informed SIlva is staying and get a rocket off Moshiri for their shocking play.

or

2. To meet the new manager, which if this is the case it must have to be Moyes as no one else could possible be around anyway at this short notice.

James Marshall
119 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:57:15
Daniel - option 2 would mean the ginger saviour was smuggled in to Flinch Farm in the boot of a car or under a blanket on the backseat.
Julian Exshaw
120 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:57:54
This is like the end of the transfer window as we wait for the big signing before midnight. It never happens though. It would appear the board can't even agree among themselves what to do. No one is innocent in this mess except the fans. The board is in danger of alienating the real lifeblood of this club ( the fans) with this dithering around. As I said earlier, I'd sack the whole lot of them.
Christy Ring
121 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:59:52
Still no word, ridiculous, rumours Brands wants to give Silva more time, probably until we're relegated.
Robert Tressell
122 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:59:56
Cheers Derek. The season has never got going. It just feels like something is missing. Tried to check odds for Bruno Genesio as next manager. Not listed for Everton but in the running for arsenal. Him plus mariano diaz would be good. Both available in Jan. Both hit good form in Lyon.
Rennie Smith
123 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:59:56
I might be putting 2 + 2 together and coming up with 6 but what about Phillip Cocu? He worked well with Brands at PSV, and just look who's joined him at Derby, our old Granny-Graber mate himself. Not saying I want him, he's not exactly bossing the Championship, but as conspiracy theories go, it's not complete toss.
Bill Gienapp
124 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:01:05
I usually let others come on here and rant about the recurring theme of club incompetence, but I find it truly baffling that a) no lessons appear to have been learned from the Koeman/Allardyce transition (i.e. debacle) and b) Brands doesn't appear to be handling the situation, with Moshiri's input. Like, why does Kenwright even have a say in the matter? This is literally why you have a Director of Football, it's absurd!
Duncan McDine
125 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:01:48
Choosing between Silva and Moyes feels very much like the choices we have in the General Election. Portuguese manager ‘Nuno Ofthe Above’ gets my vote
Mark Guglielmo
126 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:02:36
Yes Christy, that's what Brands wants. For us to be relegated.

I'm having a hard time determining which has reached maximum fever pitch; desire for Silva to be gone or the utter ridiculousness on the topic from the interwebs.

Bobby Mallon
127 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:02:53
What if it's Rooney who gets the job?
Steve Ferns
128 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:05:08
What if Brands has spoken to every good name you want. Pochettino, Ancelotti, Mancini, the lot. They all said no. Maybe Marcelino said maybe, but not yet, not until Arsenal make an appointment. Maybe Gallardo is interested but not yet either, again he has irons in the fire. Maybe Rafa said yes, but with his buyout clause, wages and transfer pot, it's far beyond the club's budget and Moshiri won't self fund it. Maybe it's all down to Moyes or Silva, and Moyes won't agree a short term deal, and instead Brands wants to get to Christmas.

Who knows? All I know is we cannot get this wrong, and letting Moyes get even one foot in the door, particularly on the rumoured top 10 and I get the job full time contract, is wrong, very wrong.

James O'Connell
129 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:05:46
I hope Tim Cahill is back is some role, but not Moyes. I wouldn't expect any kind of announcement until Bill has finished watching master chef.
Paul Tran
131 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:07:16
All perfectly possible, Steve. And at this point, they're not gonna tell us who's said no. Completely agree with you on Moyes, but like I said, I can't see him coming.
Joe McMahon
132 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:08:57
Let's be honest if City were still at Maine Road they wouldn't be attractive to anyone. Never been in Champ League and a awful stadium isn't going to temp Poch. Its gonna be Moyes and Unsworth. Meanwhile over at Anfield .
Paul Tran
133 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:09:56
According to Richard Askham at BBC, Silva has been sacked.
Kristian Boyce
134 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:12:08
Kirkbride just confirmed it too
Michael Lynch
135 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:12:57
He's gone
Kieran Kinsella
136 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:13:52
BBC just said he hasn't been sacked
Mark Guglielmo
137 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:14:13
James Marshall
138 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:14:14
Looks to be confirmed, various sources, it's all over Twitter
Billy Roberts
139 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:14:20
David Pearl@ 65
You could have saved all that wahwah nonsense and realised that the vast majority of knowledgable Evertonians don't want Moyes because hes not a good football manager,
Do you get that ?
John P McFarlane
140 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:15:05
A deal is apparently lined up for David Moyes to come in on an interim deal until the end of the season with a clause for an extension if he does well (Source - @VinnOConnor )
Kieran Kinsella
141 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:15:07
BBC updated now they say he HAS been sacked
Pat Kelly
142 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:15:09
"Oh no he hasn't ". Is this a Kenwright production ?
Simon Dalzell
143 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:15:46
He can take Brands with him. We got Iwobi when we could've had Zaha, among a number of cock ups. i.e. Centre half, decent forward, full back etc.etc.
Neil Carter
144 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:16:07
He's gone!! 5 Live Phil Nulty. Next!!
Mark Guglielmo
145 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:17:02
Simon, come back down to Earth where there's more oxygen in the air. "We got Iwobi when we could've had Zaha." lol - this is why no one asks your opinion on business matters related to football.
Pat Kelly
146 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:17:12
Is Moyes keen ?
Paul Smith
147 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:17:38
El Bow!
Kieran Kinsella
148 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:17:39
Simon

Not just Brands, they can all go. Every one of them

Riley Masters
149 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:18:08
What an ordeal.

What clubs do you consult for on transfers Mark G?

Mark Guglielmo
150 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:18:48
Why, none Riley, but then again I don't make stupid comments about "should have" on the internet.
Winston Williamson
151 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:19:50
Well, well, well...the ineptitude knows no bounds.

Should Moyes return, interim basis or not, my 33 year love affair with the club is well and truly over.

Moyes coming back says everything to me. It speaks loud and clear...this club has no ambition, with no intention of challenging or winning in the future.

As such, all hope is extinguished. It’s game over and I’m completely out...

Dave Lynch
152 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:20:01
SSN stating he's been sacked.
No successor as yet
Riley Masters
153 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:20:20
Fair point Mark, there aren't too many who make daft comments on the internet.

You were right to call it out.

On an unrelated note, was it you that speculated thirty minutes ago that Silva himself was the caretaker / interim manager?

Dave Abrahams
154 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:20:51
If he has been fired, I hope they pay him off in monthly instalments until his contract is up, otherwise he’ll be appointed manager of Portugal in a few weeks, with us paying his wages.
Michael Lynch
155 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:23:20
Moshiri unveiling surprise appointment Speedo Mick with his assistant Rebecca Vardy.
Michael Lynch
156 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:23:20
Moshiri unveiling surprise appointment Speedo Mick with his assistant Rebecca Vardy.
Neil Copeland
157 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:23:22
Sky, BBC, Telegraph all reporting he’s been sacked.

Moyes favourite as interim

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

158 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:24:06
And...breath out.

And...breath in.

Hold it...hold it...hold it!

Who is his replacement?

Tom Edwards
159 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:27:17
Winston at 151. I couldn't have put it better myself. It speaks volumes to the lack of ambition of this club. The remit is clearly stay in the premiership and take mid table safety. Don't bother challenging for the top.
It will be interesting to hear Moyes address his attitude to the club during his final season here. We clearly weren't big enough then so what has changed now? Probably Kenwright giving him a kings ransom in wages!
James Marshall
160 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:28:45
GrandOldTeam have done a poll on whether supporters want Moyes back:

7,884 fans voted.

YES: 1,478 (18.75%)
NO: 6,406 (81.25%)

Bill Gall
161 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:29:19
Moshiri wants Moyes as interim manager Moyes wants an extended contract lets see who moves first
Michael Lynch
162 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:31:20
We're a fucking laughing stock if they give Moyes a similar contract to Sam just to sack him at the end of the season.

Forget that. We're a laughing stock whatever happens.

John P McFarlane
163 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:31:26
I suspect Stubhub will be quite busy in the next few weeks if David Moyes is announced as next boss - interim or not
Derek Knox
164 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:31:49
Ooh Daniel A J, I thought you were Leslie Philips there for a moment, just pictured you in socks and undies with suspenders on your socks!

Sure I've seen you on Match Days in the same garb! 😂😘

Derek Knox
165 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:33:22
Wow! That came as a shock, who'd have expected that?
Bill Gall
166 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:36:44
James when was the last time they listened to the fans. The fans could see months back that Silva was out of his depth but they waited until the fans were humiliated by last nights result before firing him,and now they don't have a replacement in mind unless some one takes it till the end of the season
Kim Vivian
167 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:37:11
As I said earlier - Moyes (or A.N.Other) interim 'til the end of the season with bonuses/options ok for me. If we could land our hero choice before the end of the season (insert name) pay the interim off and get the new guy in asap.

Madness to agree long term contracts in the knowledge they will not be fulfilled. They have to be earned (although I realise football doesn't really operate like that.)

Steve Ferns
168 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:41:16
Moyes on a short term deal with a 3 year contract if he gets top 10, according to twitter. For the love of God please no. What have we done to deserve this life of torture?
Winston Williamson
169 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:45:43
Fucking hell, Duncan Ferguson! More sentimental tripe from bungling bill
Anthony Newell
170 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:52:51
Thank fuck Dunc and not gingey minge

Now Dunc - grab some players around the neck (think leicester kraut midfielder)

Ed Prytherch
171 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:54:43
I don't expect Schneiderlin to get a look in with Duncan picking the team. That is good news. There was bad blood between Duncan and Boa Morte and Silva pissed on Dunc's cornflakes by bringing him in as his assistant. Duncan gets the last laugh, at least for now.
Martin Mason
172 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:56:22
It's better than Moyes though. I'm warming to it.
Soren Moyer
173 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:30:40
No Ginger one. Thank f**k! Now Brandt, do your homework and get us a proper manager.
Oliver Molloy
174 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:48:47
Lets all be honest, what proven manager would want to come to Everton right now.
I never thought I would be worrying about relegation , but looking at our fixtures we are in real trouble and so we need a manager who knows how to keep us up and sorry all you big Dunc fans, he is not the guy.
This team is full of prima donna's and if they were all honest would hold their hands and take responsibility for showing sweet fa, they eventually led to Silva getting the sack.
Silva has been unlucky with the injuries and Brands has delivered to him nothing special.

Their performances have been just fucking awful, the only player trying last night was Richarlison, like they can not even pass the fucking ball to each other a lot of the time.

Moshiri apparently has told the players " the club needs you to step up " while the awaiting on the next managerial appointment.
Fucking Moshiri should have stepped up after Norwich home defeat if not before.

For me, I was always wary of Silva's appointment, his record in the premier league was awful.
Moshiri's reign to date has been a total fucking shambles and it has set us back in my opinion.
I also agree with those who say that Silva was hung out to dry by the club this week.

The next appointment will be Moyes I believe !

Dave Abrahams
175 Posted 06/12/2019 at 09:05:14
And now Osman has come forward with his support for Moyes.
Jeff Spiers
176 Posted 06/12/2019 at 10:25:48
Ossie, what are you thinking about

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