McManaman as annoying as ever with his Scouse/non Scouse commentary.

That said, professional performance from City. I don't know why, it reminded me of a 2 - 1 win against Charlton at home in the run in to the 86 - 87 season. Not at our best on that day, the opposition made it difficult, but we saw it out and got the win as we started to close in on the title.

Good start to the weekend for us, providing we take care of our own business on Monday.

Nothing against the hammers just can't be doing with another re-write of Moyes "achievements" from his disciples.

The con he pulled on a whole generation making 6th-ish a decade long ambition peak will forever stand as a barren footnote in our illustrious history. Apparently we were skint but I'm sure I read on these pages that he was the 6th highest paid football manager on the planet at one time.

Lunacy

Genuinely don't know, but it seemed he really descended into indecisiveness of the highest "yeah but, not but, yeah but" order.

If Fulham get a result and Newcastle don't this weekend, as it stands at the Hawthorns, game on.

Is that a thing?

The interviewer was bigging up West Ham's position. Moyes defaulted to his negative play down expectation mode. Look, initially he was great for us given where we were. But over time, you are right, he coaxed a generation into believing that mediocracy was success. Fortunately my long suffering lad can see through that.

I watched the interview and thought exactly the same the dilemma is the interpretation. Is Moyes a man of honour simply reflecting reality or a shyster protecting his interests for the inevitable fall off.

His antics pre and post his Utd appointment gives the answer

Kean is a finisher, no doubt, but I can't see him coming back. He and Vlasic are big talents who just didn't fit us, or we didn't fit them.

He found a level to indulge his antics with another armchair ride in a top team in an uncompetitive league.

Get as much dough as possible then sit back and watch his career vanish into the mist.

I don't want to be negative and am genuinely pleased he is gaining experience. I hope the PSG experience is good for Kean and I hope he comes back to us a more confident and settled player as there is undoubted potential in him. Still very young so plenty of scope for development.

He never lets me down.

And, I'm also convinced West Ham will drop away and finish 7/8th at best.

That's Moyes. A good manager, just not quite good enough.

I'd like to see what he can do in an Everton shirt, but yes, either way, on the back of the potential that saw us invest, his stock is growing on the back of a good season with PSG.

Wouldn't mind a Leeds equaliser here.

His value will not grow with us while Ancelotti contines to make the youngsters disappear, but he is putting himself in the shop window with a coach who is clearly getting the best out of him.
Brands may yet get his money back. . and more.

Fourteen since he left ?....Quite embarrassing really especially when you take into consideration that we have gone into games without a recognised striker

I'd rather he hadn't have gone on loan personally. Not sure of the reasoning, but from a footballing sense, it left us short. Providing he stays at Everton, hopefully he comes back more confident; I don't doubt the ability or potential. Strikers more than any other player on the pitch need confidence.

I've got 9 to 9.30 in the sweep.

Good on Kean doing well at PSG. Some players seem to find their best at certain clubs for whatever reason. Maybe, and it is a maybe, Kean would have succeeded if we'd kept him, who knows.

Then again... the guy who really should be our manager, apparently, subbed a sub, so maybe the guy who should be our manager, apparently, didn't rate him?

Any purchase should have an eye on future value. This will be a major factor in his legacy I'd guess. Hence James came on a free.

Speaking of which, what's happening with Brands's contract, I wonder?

Our challenge is PSG now saying the transfer market is unusual due to the pandemic. French press claiming they may push for a 2nd year on loan. Brands needs to weave his magic, if Kean wants to go, he should forgo his loyalty bonuses and it needs to be 㿣 to 60 mill.

We should praise Ancelloti for his shrewd decision to allow Kean to go out on loan That decision alone could see us make a 㿊-40 million profit on the player. When you go to bed tonight, you should praise the Lord that we've got Carlo in charge.

Meanwhile, over in Wales, the England players all stood under the posts to hear the required "Tell your players to stop breaking the rules and the next gets sent to the bin" message from their captain and then the ref blows the whistle, gives them 2 seconds and Wales score.

Are we going the ref was French, the opposition Wales and it was "We all hate the English"?

Ancelotti could not get a hand's turn from Kean in a year... and now you want to give him praise for his rise in value because another coach got an instant tune out of him.

You really do embarrass yourself at times.

You should give up on the egg chasing. If you fancy some proper rugby, watch a bit of Super League.

Always been Union for me but the kicking game is ruining it.

The full stop belongs after "reason".

So many penalty decisions, so hard to see what Pascal is seeing. And two of those Welsh tries should never have stood. But the [Rugby Union] Referee is always right... even when he's clearly wrong. Wish they would do a full analysis of each one and I might learn something... but then we'd be here all night!

League has always been the better game. It's a working man's game versus a game played by posh lads. It's inherently more exciting because the premium is placed on running with the ball... and don't get me started with all that close contact in the scums, that's definitely a public school thing.

Always been a Saints fan

Michael K.

Worst referee i have seen for many years. They had a half-time interview with the best ref in rugby.

Players like Calvert-Lewin and Davies have improved despite the manager. Nothing to do with him whatsoever.

Players like Allan and James would have jumped at the chance of joining us regardless of who the manager was and it was nothing to do with him that they joined whatsoever.

Kean was actually sensational whilst on our books but the manager failed to see this and it's all his fault that he's now scoring goals even though it's in a pub league. Even the manager's assistant (who we know should really be the manager) could see this. When he was in caretaker charge and subbed Kean off just 10 minutes after bringing him on, this was secretly some master plan to prove what a great player Kean was for us.

Every time we lose, it's all because of the manager's zombie football. He's the Italian Allardyce. He's a has-been and he's only here for one last big payday. However, when we win, it's in spite of his tactics and team selections and he shouldn't take any credit.

He has only ever managed successful teams and he doesn't have a clue how to manage a club like Everton.

Anyone who disagrees with the above is a ‘happy clapper' an Ancelloti ‘fan boy' or a sycophant.

Have I missed anything off?

No, I wouldn't... but I tell you what: Go to Twickenham on matchday and tell me it's not a posh boys' sport.

Of course for the Welsh it's the complete opposite, it's the game of the working man.

It was a shame his house got burgled?

I didn't think of it like that. And Unsworth has never been robbed so I think you may have a point.

I've been a few times. Picnics a plenty in the back of 4x4s. Plenty of braying as the champers kicks in. The money in the game is seeing working class kids getting involved. The Hooray Henrys and Henriettas are still there though aplenty, agreed.

But it's a bit of a cheap shot for me to play the class card. I was brought up with League so I just prefer it.

I think the picture you painted is pretty accurate with a lot of the English fans. Also saw a lot of lads from ordinary lower league clubs having a day out. Few beers and the game.

As you say, different story for the Welsh and Irish.

So I think it was the right decision for all concerned and of course although I can not be certain, I do not believe Kean would be in double figures if he stayed with us even starting every game.

Let's all hope he keeps on scoring and we will see what happens... In my opinion, If PSG want to keep him, he will not want to come back to Everton (even if Ancelotti wanted him). He is playing in an easier league with superstar footballers and scoring goals – practically guaranteed Champions League football every season – for him, it's most likely an easy decision.

But I can tell you, I would love to read or hear the opposite – that he wanted to come back to us and prove himself; that would be great for us I think. It will all depend on what value we stick on him and whether PSG will want to pay it.

This reminds me of the Lukaku situation when he was at Chelsea and he was scoring goals in the Premier League!

You may have to educate me.

Villa winning today was a good result for us. Why? Because we have played Leeds home and away and can't affect their points total. Villa however we play twice in the forthcoming weeks and four or six points in the fixtures should see us finish above them. A draw or a United win is the best outcome tomorrow. I don't see United dropping enough points to be caught.

All this will mean nothing if we don't beat Saints on Monday.

Could Brewster inflict more damage to the RS? That would be funny.

Amazing how easily bought one can be.

If you fancy an ante post get on Concertista in the Mares Hurdle.

No price but wont get beat if she stands up

The West Ham, Tottenham and Villa fixtures, notwithstanding Monday night are big ones. Then again, it's Everton, we could throw those and pick the points up elsewhere.

On the Rugby thing; a game that always confused me but I do (usually) admire their standard of refereeing and use of video technology. Always saw that as a benchmark for football.

Interestingly, whilst I do not confess to understand NFL and by no means consider them the same game, during many trips to the States, I see tactical parallels to Rugby League.

Rugby union is possibly one of the only games where without a ref the game would be impossible to play. There was plenty of controversy today. The laws or rules are getting harder to follow. One thing they have got spot on is the respect shown to officials.

The reality is that Rugby is a tactically complex and rule-driven game in comparison to football.

There is respect for officials. I have long pointed to the fact that Rugby officials actually understand the game whereas football officials dine of their ego. I give you Lee Mason today... and on many other occasions.

I don't like to knock officials for the sake of it. We need them. But football for too long has got this wrong.

The common approach to a rugby ref from the players.

I have heard of the lunacy Brighton endured. I'm gonna watch it on MotD.Should Salah have received a yellow for his dive in the derby or did the ref think he lost his footing?

Perfect summary!

I don't buy the "We'd be giving them every week" debate. Card the offenders with consistency and soon you won't be giving them all week because it will be stamped out.

On the pitch the try-scorer was interviewed still dripping with sweat. He was asked what he felt about his disallowed try. Without a hint of sarcasm he gave the interviewer a withering look and said, "Well it wasn't a try was it? The referee said so!"

Everyone in football (bar a few Unsy groupies) susses "our" Ross out – namely, when the hard yards have to be run, when the tackles have to be made, when the opposition need to be in fear of you, best not play the whiffenpoof 6'-2" promising teenager that was Barkley fully eight years ago, and he very regularly showed all those shortcomings then.

Such a shame, allegedly.

Inconsistent, no bottle, great one minute, poor the next... Some players never improve, others work hard, soak up the advice, listen, watch, learn from mistakes etc. Davies and Calvert-Lewin are good examples lately.

I was at Orrell when Eric Lyon was there. He was the best English blind side wing forward by a mile but he lived on a council estate, was often on the dole, and his older brother played Rugby League for Wigan. He never played for England. Waterloo and Liverpool refused to play Orrell unless it was in a Lancashire Cup Game. They considered themselves to be above us but could not beat us.

The biggest bunch of pansies that I played against was when I was living in Luton and I played a few games for Stockwood Park. We had an away game at Rosslyn Park in London. Park had a good first team but the lower teams were blouses. It was so much fun running over guys who were afraid to get hurt.

Later on, I played for Ormskirk and we had a couple of ex-Rugby League guys on the team. The Rugby Union did not allow that but only if they found out. Those two were awesome. They would "top and tail" any loudmouth twits that we played against.

I lost track of rugby when I moved to the states in '82 and although Rugby Union is now on TV, it has changed so much that I don't appreciate it.

I was a St Helens fan when I was in school and I went to many games at Knowsley Road but my school was in Wigan and all of my friends there supported them. I went to the 1966 Rugby League cup final at Wembly and I bought a ticket in the Wigan section section. It was great as we won 22-3.

Ed(#95); I feel the same way. Since RU rules were changed for the sake of FOX TV it is more like watching Rugby League, two players follow the ball carrier and when he is tackled pushes the ball arms outstretched backwards, the two followers form an arch over him and you have the equivalent of a League play the ball, without the tackle count.

On Barkley, I'd go a bit deeper and set off on my grass roots rant again.

I lay the blame for not realising the potential at the non-coaching I suspect he didn't receive whilst coming through the academy.

Ross was, by all counts, physically superior to those around him as a youngster. Taller, quicker, more physical by virtue of said physicality. He simply brushed others aside, hence the hype and excitement when he was coming through. Was he left to "do his thing" because of this rather than being coached properly?

Fast-forward and he's in his mid-20s. The players he now plays with and against are the same size. They can mix it with him and some of them are even quicker. But, because Ross wasn't coached properly, he's still trying to win games on his own, like the 10-year-old kid in the park who is bigger and quicker; but he's not any more and sadly he doesn't know any different.

Obviously I don't know for definite, but that's my suspicion. A genuine talent that was never and likely will never be truly unlocked.

I think the difference with Dowell was he had a good football brain but didn't have the heart and bottle to go with it, same goes for Iwobi, he's played for two top division teams and still no one at either club as put the heart into him, can it be coached?

I think there is a thread of truth to what you say about Barkley's development. Maybe though he would have only reached a certain level anyway, an average Premier League midfielder. The "10-year-old kid in the park" comment is harsh but to some degree fair. It implies an impetuousness and lack of football intelligence under pressure, it is difficult to train that into a player. The likes of Kevin De Brunye were born with class and cool heads..

ps: I'm joking about the pup being a curse, it's been a good move getting her.

Your non- argument is cringe worthy.

The ridiculous side-tracking of creating some bizarre scenario concerning Ancelotti, Unsworth, Crosby, and some imaginary gaff in Bootle demonstrates you have nothing and I mean nothing, to offer agaist REAL criticism of Carlo Ancelotti.

The use of the straw man argument is occurring with increasing regularity. The accusations against Carlo and his anti football and the Bizarre claims made in his name (see post 55 for latest example) cant be defended, so people like you will create your own imaginary smokescreen.

Nobody claimed Kean was sensational when he was here - You made that one up too. People are questioning (Quite rightly) why a boy who couldnt buy a goal is suddenely scoring for fun...That is a legitimate debate. Whether you like it or not

Nobody claimed Carlo had nothing to do with Allan and James being here either - Yet again you made that up too. The argument is whether they are here because we are the biggest club to come in for them. Did Carlo entice them by the promise of better contracts and game time. . . or did he simply use his "Pulling power"

"Every time we loose its because of the managers Zombie football". Again not true. Those who come on here to complain about the spoiling tactics we are forced to endure. Hate spoiling tactics. "Zombie football" no matter what the result.

"Anyone who disagrees with the above is a happy clapper" etc.. - Wrong again sorry Chris. - You've made that up too. There are numerous posters, (I would suggest the overwhelming majority) who support Carlo big time, but they are balanced enough to accept and even give a little criticism of Carlo. I'm talkng about every day posters...But there is a group (And you will be among them) Who simply cannot tolerate it. Everything is everyone else fault.

This has nothing to do with Franny Jeffers, It has nothing to do with Unsworth, It has nothing to do with Eddie Howe, It has nothing to do with Arteta, It has nothing to do with someones gaff in Bootle, Or the pricks who burgled Carlo's house. It has nothing to do with Ferguson, It has nothing to do with Sam Allardyce. Martinez, Silva. Koeman, Man City, Chris Wilder
These are all just smoke screens people like you put up because they have nothing else to offer.

This is about the here. The now. Its about Carlo Ancelotti. The CURRENT manager. Its about expectation management.

A guy used to regularly come on here and predict (Fairly accurately) that we would finish around about seventh. I cant remember his name. I just know he lived in Cypress and he was hounded on these pages for negativity. now it would appear Seventh is a good place to be.

I'm happy to debate with anybody who has a counter argument, There are many people on here who can and have put together stronger points than mine. but I'm done with the whataboutery which a certain group regularly hide behind in the name of debate.

Great. If I may, I will start the debate off with a couple of questions.

Do you think Ancelotti has the club in a better all round state from how he found it on the day he arrived?

Do you think Ancelotti has had any influence on the big improvement in Tom Davies game?

I was posting in response to Darrens offer to debate the merits of Ancelotti.

Darrens post disappeared?

I'd prefer to pull the plug. You know you'll never get the acknowledgement of our current manager that you are seeking.

So Ross remains someone good enough to be a game at a Champs League club but could never be a regular because he's erratic. He's found his level mid table and sometimes looks amazing and sometimes dreadful (within the same match). It's a shame it didn't work out for him with us, because I'd love someone like him (and home grown) still at the club for all his faults.

I only watched the highlights, but I thought it was a good strategy by Pep leaving one or two defenders up front on occasions to help breakdown the organised Moyes defensive unit. The extra body of John Stones in there won the match. I think the first goal was from a defender too, whilst Stones was also challenging for it.

I'm interested as we have to find ways to beat defensively packed, counter attacking bottom half teams at Goodison.

Thanks
I thought it was the affects of last nights vino tinto for a minute. :-)

From a standing start faced with a marker he ALWAYS turned inside which made him predictable he lacked the ability to "drop the shoulder" and wrong foot the opposition. If he wasn't knocking it past a defence to run onto he invariably coughed up possession.

In fairness the little snippets I've seen since his move seems to show him choosing to pass in such situations. For me he is much improved as a result

Agree.
Darren, hopefully will be given the opportunity to "debate".

Fair points about natural ability; that certainly plays a part in how or if a player develops to reach their potential or hit certain heights or levels. But coaching is so important in shaping and moulding the formative years of that development and I just wonder whether much effort was put into developing Ross or they just let him do his thing. I like Ross the player. I just hope he settles somewhere and enjoys his football.

I see Lee Mason is no longer the 4th official at Bramall Lane this evening. Apparently he had to pull out because of an "injury". Bruised ego or a particularly bad strain of mutated embarrassment?

If City win it then that would be a yes, but if Tottenham finished 5th or 6th, then 7th would come into play also right??

Double edged sword that score at the Kingpower (had to stop myself typing Filbert Street then). On one hand, an opportunity to close on Leicester. On the other, Arsenal close to us.

Get the job done tomorrow Everton. Take care of our own business.

Robert, You may well be right with those 4. It's going to be a close thing this year. With Leicester and West Ham losing, Man Utd and Chelsea playing each other it's given us another big opportunity to throw our hat firmly into the ring.

One match at a time applies starting tomorrow, it's all up for grabs, behind Man City theres not a great deal between next half dozen teams. We are a team on the up, some excellent young improving players, some quality senior players, James Rodriguez and a near fully fit squad.

Two great games for us this week for us to gauge whether we are to be challengers.

Certainly fourth position is now a clear possibility if they don't blow it but just finishing well and above RS would be welcome too.

I thought the same but fluck it. Why not, lets get excited.
I have stayed firm in my thoughts that top 4 is out of reach this season but the other teams results are working out for us.
I will stay with my thoughts that it will be 5th or 6th position for us but you never know

That's why the derby result was so impressive: we won under pressure - Richarlison, Pickford and the whole team didn't wilt. In fact, they flourished.

It's going to happen.

Curious if anyone has had an eye on the loanees this week? Also, did anyone watch Norwich? I keep hearing about Aarons being linked to us but I've not seen a lot of him myself. I've said previous that I like the Villa right back Cash, but it would be difficult to do business with them and also, seems to have hamstring issues? The wife and in-laws are Villa fans too, so that wouldn't go down too well.

Can't quite see it happening though. This week is pretty key. Two home wins against lower table teams required. Not something we've done a lot of recently

I am a big fan of Carlo, but there is a clique here on ToffeeWeb. A group of people who desperately want to shut down opposing views. I watched with interest recently when Darren stayed out of a match day thread. They hounded another poster instead.
Desperately trying to shut him up. "Thank fuck for that" one said when he logged off.
It's unhealthy and it makes for grim reading.
I could have told you which two people would be first to react to your ban. They always are
The claim made by you and Brent Stephen's that Darren couldn't take it would be funny if it wasnt so pathetic. He has took more personal shit on here than anybody, for years. It's the people who level the personal shite who scream the loudest when he fires back at them with sweeping put downs.
I stopped posting on here because two people ( the same two ) were repeatedly posting about Aussie women " who had "founced". What is that about ? All their posts were based on a lie that was so easily exposed. Thats not football debate. Its idiotic nonsense shared by idiots trying to shut down somebody they had no answer to.
A legitimate question was put up about Moyes Keans scoring exploits since he left. It defies belief that that question would somehow descend into incredible nonsense about Unsworth imaginary house in Bootle. Is that really football debate ? Really ?

I think it's unfortunate that you should see fit to attack Darren whilst denying him the right to reply. I suspect that was because you knew it wouldnt be a "little piggy" coming back at you. But it's your site you put enough into it. I guess and you are fully entitled to ban who you see fit.
Beware though if you are bored now wait until the clique have gotten there way and all the conversation is about the miracle of the man who could do no wrong

I'm personally glad you banned him. I hope its permanent. Its always wound me up to see this group attack with The pack mentality
I do however like that its been pointed out and recognised by several respected posters.

This group will continue give Carlo supporters a bad name. We are not all happy clappers who cant handle legitimate questions. Some of us ca do an awful lot better than waving imaginary red cards and steering the conversation round to Dame Edna somebody.

God luck to the vast majority who will always make this site worth a look in. See you at the CL away games next season

COYB

Thirteen nil and we're back in the top four!

Is there a reference to me included anywhere in your post David?
I only ask because no names are mentioned.

Nevertheless it doesn't provide the niche positions for the variety of body types that union does. Front row is a blend of ‘dark arts', psychology, sadomasochism, and a world spanning ‘brotherhood' that I don't think you get from any other sporting endeavour.

Ed (95), I think things must have changed fairly shortly after you left because I'm pretty sure there were Liverpool (LSH) v Waterloo, Orrell v LSH, and Waterloo v Orrell fixtures up and down the various team levels before the leagues were introduced. Could be wrong. I certainly got plenty of ‘local derby' games at 2nd team level, and the regular Wakefield fixture had that level of intense rivalry too. Even had a few cross-code games against Blackbrook. ‘Headhunters' were a routine hazard when playing any Wigan or St Helens based teams.

On the footy, results seem to be going the way of intensifying the scramble for those European places. We really must get maximum points from our fixtures this week to keep the pressure on the others.

Unfortunately, Darren takes debate to a personal level: witness the numerous conversations he has with others that descend into insults; witness what I suspect is him being sin-binned by the editors; witness the pushback against him taken by the most gentlemanly of people on this site - no names, no pack drills.

As I said earlier, the irony is that he argues that his style of commenting is no more than you get in your local pub, but then complains when people respond in style. I was on the receiving end from him of that sort of stuff over Lukaku debates when Lukaku was at Everton, even though I was relatively new to ToffeeWeb at the time and posting in a non-personal style. I took it for quite a while and then hit back.

So it was never me who started anything with Darren. And I still steer clear of most of the vitriol. At times, though, he initiates more of the same. I'll stand back most of the time but not all of the time. As I said earlier, if you want to give it out, you have to be able to take it.

To be honest, I had a couple of spats with Darren and put something to him that in my opinion he took out of context. But, I realised I could have put it better and apologised. On 2 occasions.

He chose to (in his words, not mine) treat those apologies with contempt. I'm okay with that and thick skinned enough not to lose sleep. I would reiterate, he took my mudslinging out of context and, dare I say, misquoted me. I could explain, but it will likely fall on deaf ears. Subsequently, I kind of reverted to commenting on when I agreed with him, ignoring when I didn't. It was easier.

I don't know Darren and he doesn't know me. Just as much as I don't know most of the people I engage with on here, but we all share one thing in common and that is our passion for Everton.

I sometimes agree with Darren. I often disagree, but always read his views. The problem I suspect is that despite seeming to want debate (as he continuously tells us), he gives the impression (note impression) that his is a one way conversation and anyone else's view that doesn't align to his must be shouted down and ridiculed.

I hope Darren gets un-banned and continues to post on here. He adds a good counter and balance to the broader discussions we have about the one thing that unites us; Everton Football Club.

He would do himself more favours if he offered more context than "I don't like Ancelotti and he's a dick / dinosaur".

Darren at least offers context behind his views and opinions whether we agree or not.

Amen brother

The only thing I have ever seen Darren do to you two is ignore you. There are numerous examples of you two diving straight in straight after he posts
You don't even have to leave this thread. It was indeed you two who repeatedly posted about the Aussie Dame. - All based on a lie.
You two are most definitely part of the shout down group. You only have to look at the way you went after another poster on a recent match day thread.

"Most gentlemanly on this site" ? You are mistaken gentlemanly for slyness.

Thomas if you don't want people to insinuate you are a phoney. Stop bringing up arguments you were involved in when you posted as John G Davies.

LYou protest too much fellas.

I' m not Darren and I wont get into arguments with the holier than thou. I've said my piece.

See ya

This could get really bad for Burnley. All of a sudden, Newcastle, Brighton and Burnley put themselves into contention for what looked like the most obvious and decided relegation non-battle ever.

Happy Global Scouse Day to Youse All!

Be you Happy Clappers or Nappie Crappers.

Similarly on the moderating side I disagree with MK on occasion but on the whole he strikes a great balance between letting the game flow and blowing up for foul play. Just wish I could write as well he is a marvelous user of the written word

Not a clue what you are talking about David.

See ya (again)

Can I also add a suggestion? To add a tip, throw in a bit of paprika. Gives it a really nice twist.

For all the results, surprises and unusual big scores in this reputedly "Bizarre" season, the statistical long game is coming back into play, as it almost always will, given enough time.

Best team walking away at the top, "Big six" teams mostly shuffling back into position. Bottom teams still down there but the next group above appearing to drift down onto them, as those bottom teams (or one at least) have their own particular version of swings & roundabouts "Improvement".

The middle block, our playground for a long time, is starting to arrange with swopsies to be more as expected - the points gaps are even closing. As ever, no more than two or three surprises at the two thirds-in stage; RS, Sheffield United and the Hammers. Some of that can still change.

For all the discussion re. our improvements, and they are certainly there to see in certain categories and details, the net effect is that we are where we have been for much of the last decade, in the table.

The difference now for us, is that there is potential to be unleashed. We're in position to realize it, at the threshold. Tomorrow and the coming games are huge, the hard yards - to where the table really doesn't lie. These next three games perhaps, will determine if we've made that hardest of steps; genuine, measurable improvement.

The more things change, the more they stay the same!

But now, results start to matter. In our hands to make it count and the next week is huge.

Watch out tomorrow!

And if that is not a fucking windup worthy of our banished maestro I don't know what is.

"10. MAN OF THE MATCH: Ellis Simms - 8/10
Ran Charlton ragged all afternoon with his strength and pace. Brought down for Pool's first penalty of the game."

The manager had this to say :

"Ellis was a real handful, him and Jerry were to be fair” Critchley said.

“We thought we could get some success against their two centre-backs and we were searching for balls down the sides of them and in behind them.

“I thought he was a real handful all game, a real physical presence for us and he caused them a lot of problems."

His only goals remain to be his league debut brace, but good to see his is improving and becoming a first team fixture.

This follows Anthony Gordon's MOTM performance midweek for PNE.

The reason for this site is lively football debate about Everton. As Danny said, we are all after the same goal of being successful, we just sometimes have different ideas as to how we get there. Sometimes you'd think we were arguing with RS fans such is the ferocity of the comments. No need really

I'm not suggesting that Darren is any better/worse than anyone else, but surely we could all do with a bit of perspective amongst fellow blues

"Make no mistake about it, Branthwaite will evolve into an immense talent. This past week will have been a valuable learning curve for him and one that, at some point in the future, Everton will be grateful for.

There is an acceptance with young emerging central defenders that they're prone to mistakes. Except, as is always the case with loan acquisitions, the errors they make are of no detriment to their parent club but can be costly to their loan club.

As Branthwaite toiled with the lively Tyler Walker, he was beaten to the header that provided the first goal. He was guilty of several other lapses but this is an 18-year-old defender, learning his trade. He'll be all the more wiser from it."

A clear indication of where he is at, and why calls for him to be in the first team were way too premature. Look back at the Ben Godfrey thread when he was signed and many a poster claimed "why buy Godfrey when we have Branthwaite?!?!".

Poor game.
We can hold our own if this is the top 4 standard.

Positive but realistic.

This Chelsea - United draw suits us although if it goes either way, I'd say we prefer a United win? Then we just need the blades to be sharp later.

Like Gary Neville's recollection of a dig in the ribs after being helped from the advertising hoardings being at Goodison!!

Kev #160, great comment, but I think you just gave away your age, mate.

Side note... the Chinese Super League may be in trouble. The reigning champions Jiangsu FC shockingly shut down this week because their owner, Suning, pulled the plug. Jiangsu just won the title over previous champions Guangzho Evergrande (home of our old friend Tyias Browning). Suning also owns Inter Milan. There are rumors of other Chinese corporate entities considering ownership pullouts from the league because of changing economic conditions.

Sounds daft, but no more so than getting upset with what are essentially words on a screen from mostly unknown people. Maybe we can all be guilty from time to time but I'd be surprised if anyone on here would behave similarly if we were all in a room together.

I don't think we judged Stones too early. It was always apparent he was going to be a top class centre half. He has everything, quick, anticipates well, good in the air, exceptional with the ball at his feet. He just had a tendency to overplay a bit and lapses of concentration.

To his huge credit he came through a bad patch but his strength of character has got him playing as the best English centre half in the league by a country mile.

Once you've tasted the succulent lamb and kidneys in a rich gravy topped with crispy yet soft potatoes with a side of pickled red cabbage there's no going back

Then, by your own admission, you haven't seen what I'm talking about.

As for our position in the table right now, it's best-of-the-rest, around & about where it's been for a long time. Difference now is, we have the potential to improve it, which we haven't had for the same span. Long time since we stood up against "Bigger" teams like we have this year.

Trick now is to keep the momentum and deliver in the games where we should deliver; we all know what they are... that will result in measurable progress in the table.

Oh yes. A good friend of ours is a Michelin star chef. Her hotpot is ambrosia. A meal I would have before they lead me to the gallows.

The perils of generalist statements Graham. You and I and many others could see that in Stones. We could also see he was young for a centre back. Only Goalkeepers mature later. It is a position that you see the best in as they approach their later 20s and hit 30 because experience and wisdom are key.

Stones is becoming the complete centre back I thought he would. Shame it isn't in an Everton shirt.

Let's be patient with our young centre backs. They are great but they are young and will make mistakes. The only one who concerns me is Michael Keane. And that is not to detract from the season he is having, just as and when we have to go more expansive, attacking and play higher up the pitch his weaknesses will be exposed. And I don't think we can get rid of them with coaching and experience or age.

He seems to reserve a dislike for one or two, me included.
The rest are fine.
Dare to disagree with him and it kicks off.
Im not bothered by it tbh, I find it amusing.
I posted this morning I would not have liked to see him banned, he mentioned a change of tack.Debate instead of disgust.
Would have been interesting to see that develop

True but I'd take Keane over Mina, I think he is a better defender and also a stronger character. But I am expecting Godfrey to be first choice centre half for some while.

For the first time in a long time, I feel that there's a force behind us. In the end, it will come from Usmanov but Ancelotti is also going to hang around until we get where we need to be.

It may not be this year - though it will be fun trying and let's believe - but it will be sometime very soon.

We should all enjoy the progress.

Once they're history, maybe you can continue with the group who heap criticism on the likes of Davies despite his improving form.

I've avoided TW for a short while and consequently posted very little solely because the negativity is wearing and is something that is less welcome than any of Darren's offerings. Either allow him back or bin the other shower as well.

I know that I am not the only reader pissed off with Les Miserables.

In this sense your pessimism appears to be just that. We've been above Chelsea, Arsenal and Spurs throughout this season for the most part. That is so diiferent as to not lean toward the sameness perspective.

That sounds a bit cancel culture to me. The only posters who should be banned are those that post something that cross the line into hate speech.

Darren is a wind up merchant of course but he does offer a different opinion, those that choose to engage with him know what they are letting themselves in for and in many cases are equally guilty of loving a row.

But we do agree it seems a bit harsh to ban him but as I have pointed out before it's Michael's train set and he can do with it as he pleases.

We have to take control of our own destiny, but for the first time in a while that destiny is more than being the best of the rest.

I'm all for the "free the Kirkdale 1" or wherever Darren lives. Even though Darren doesn't seem to like me or my views.

All I would say, is how about Darren also looks in the mirror and consider that he gives the impression (impression - not saying that is his way) that it's okay for him to spout criticism and abuse but when the tables turn there is some kind of pack hunting him down?

I get what David Cash says, and for the very reasons he called out, I have stopped bothering responding. But if you are going to come on a public forum and be provocative (lets be honest Darren is - which is fine), then don't be surprised if you attract reaction, response and attention.

We're toffees so I left out the decency part. UTFT!!!

Danny and Graham, I devoutly hope we keep all three. A Champions League run will require three quality CBs, and I'm convinced we have them.

I've allowed for the game/games in hand and the possibility you mention. An important phase for us now - three games of which we may be expected to win or at least perform as we know we now can (let's say 6-7 points from them), and interspersed, a "Big" club, the type of game in which we're markedly stronger thus far. Say a point there.

This will then be reflected in the table - when we've done it, this being the area in which we've fallen down several times. That's all I'm saying.

We have been above Chelsea, currently we're not. Arsenal and Spurs are now closer, Villa stalling etc. This is what I mean by the table mostly shaping up as it usually does.

We now have the chance to put down a marker - all in our hands. Roll on tomorrow...

4th is totally in our hands, as much as the media will ignore the fact.

Another side not: see Stones is getting praise, and fair play to the lad after getting written off. Showing his potential after a poor spell. He's the same age as Pickford, who also appears to be getting through a dodgy spell. just saying like.

A big ask, maybe, but we've got to be winning these next few games If we want to get into Europe next season.

Lets just stick to the one game at a time approach.

The players need to be brave now, get on the front foot and go for it. We've had some great results away from home this season, and even won at Anfield. I'm hopeful this indicates a better mindset and mentality. The next 2 games will really tell us a lot, because we should be getting 6 points if we are at it.

I answered Darrens post offering to debate by saying that would be good and starting a debate.
It then it vanished.
Michael explained he took it down.
He then put it back up.
I don't think he is banned.

Seems a post got deleted and is still there. As is probably Darren watching us talk about him!!

Being the big drama queen he is, he's probably privately chuckling away to himself with his popcorn as he watches on the side!!

It's all been losing games to poorer teams. Newcastle twice, Southampton, Fulham, Leeds and West Ham. Any one game can be lost but our inability to put lower level teams to the sword is a trend. We are a better side on the back foot, soaking up pressure and being good on the break. I'm not feeling particularly confident about the next two games.

Thats off David Cash.
Can we presume Darren has told him he's banned?

(nobody knew he was/ wasnt banned btw, so how do you respond to something you have no knowledge of? )

Let me repeat what I said to Darren

Have a day off ffs

Let me repeat what I said to my kopite neighbour after the derby last week.

We learn from others if we listen. Otherwise we are stuck in our own self opinionated bubble.

I genuinely enjoy reading the opinions of others here, even those I don't necessarily agree with.

Horse, water and all that

I think they retired that trophy after Eugene Ruane won it three years in succession.

Which is a worry

Darren gets hammered and hounded on a daily basis yet Michael has no problem with these guys who offer nothing except trolling and "in Carlo I trust" on everything. The Kean post angered Darren, it just made me piss myself it's gotten that ridiculous. But hey ho let's pull the plug on Darren.

I stopped posting, now I will stop reading. We have lost posters like Ferns, Hoare, Zapa, Pierce and now Darren who all have in common their original takes on all things Everton and the type of guys who I like learning from and debating with. Even when I wholeheartedly disagree with a post there is always a little nugget which may challenge my held views. Now this will be a site left to favour guys who post 50 times a thread but still offer nothing to the debate and who you know what they think before they say it.

Good Luck Darren. In keeping with the family theme you fight for our youth with a strong paternal hand and you encourage other posters in brotherly fashion and I know that had one of your adversaries been silenced in this way you would behave with the integrity of a mother who would preach on doing the right thing as opposed to that of self interest because you disagree with their views. Now that is familial.

That post is slightly disturbing 😂😂

I've been on the receiving end of disagreeing with said views. It can be quite unpleasant, but I don't claim to being hounded. It's just a different point of view.

It had to be offside, he was definitely active when the defender played the ball. No brainer.

Ah Fuck it, you're probably right!

Most definitely, if you had offered me this position at the start of the season I'd have taken it.

It's a bit weird that the one thing we've been pretty consistent at over the last 15 years, winning games at hone against lower sides appears to have become our Achilles heel.

30 points from 14 games will do it, that's why six points this week are so important

Can't really see today being any different.

If he makes no attempt to go for the ball it's a goal, the minute he does it's offside regardless of wether he touches it.

Shffield Utd seem to get well into the final third a reasonable amount but they just don't seem to have the quality for the killer final pass or shot. Come on, Sheffield Utd!

I bloody hate Monday games no matter what – ruins the weekend. But when there will be another game mid-week, playing on a Monday just seems totally absurd.

Do you think Carlo is going to pick his srongest team from here on in? Saw an interview where he suggested the defeats to the likes of Fulham etc came about because of defensive rather than offensive failings. Didn't fill me with confidence.

That can't be a goal. Out of play.

But it was in play, just.

Unfortunately, the result is now a formality.

Sheffield Utd must rue the day they sold Calvert-Lewin for ٟ million.

Knowing Everton, Kieran, they'll give us 5. Just to keep the hope there!

The keeper could sit down and have a picnic and would seldom need to fuss about spilling his tea.

Think that about caps it for Sheffield Utd.

Sheffield Utd run and pass it about, but they can't defend, and they can't attack.

The Reds are only the second team to achieve that landmark, after Merseyside rivals Everton who have scored 7,108.

A) How is it their 7,000th if it's an own goal?
B) We got there first!!

Fran #266, every club has a day it rues. I was just reading this week that our Academy trialled -- and rejected -- Erling Haaland four years ago.

That will leave eleven games to finish the season. I don't know how they are spaced out in the eight or nine weeks to the end of the season although there is an international break in that period, which could mean extra games for a lot of our players.

We haven't got a big squad so injuries and suspensions could decimate the squad further. All-in-all, it would be a terrific effort if we pull 4th position off and most probably end the debate, if there is one, of whether Carlo is doing a good job or not. It's all in the lap of the Gods, and the Gods usually look the other way when it comes to Everton, but maybe Carlo can talk them into giving us the nod.

That's a long-winded way, Brendan, of saying yes Carlo should always play his strongest team, especially against the weaker teams, get the points in the bag. I think it's fair to say he's wasted the chance of at least six points with poor selections. Don't waste any more, Carlo.

Long-winded doesn't even come close. When I've read it (three or four times)... I'll respond. Might even agree!

According to Sky, Yerry Mina bagged our 7000th goal against Burnley in 2018 (Link)

The BBC report on this game never even alluded to this milestone (Link).

Yet they devote an article to Liverpool for this within 10 minutes of game end and have the cheek to make a passing mention of us?

Who remembers the third person to climb Everest (behind Hillary and Tensing)? Or the second person to step on the moon (outside of a circle of geeks like me)? Not the BBC. But when it's about Liverpool, anything goes.

So now, come on, you Blues... how about a home win (and the same formation, Carlo, please). Calvert-Lewin and Richarlison up top.

Of course whenever we have had a position like this we have always found a way to screw it up and coming back to Goodison doesn't help. However, surely now on the back of the derby result, they can start believing in themselves and go after teams like Southampton from the first whistle.

Liverpool were expected to beat awful Sheffield Utd and have Chelsea coming up whilst we have awful Albion. We don't want to get ahead of ourselves but 6 points has to be a reasonable target.

Does anyone think that VAR is somewhat unnecessary given that half the time they can't make a decision and pass it right back to the referee who couldn't see the incident properly the first time? Surely Man Utd should have had yet another penalty but for once were denied. Doesn't make sense anymore. It's causing more problems than we had before.

The have the the springboard of the derby result, it's time to use it.

I was going to leave it there but you are still peddling two workies

1) He didnt complaint about getting stick back. I did.

2) I've looked through many threads and although I can see numerous cases where you have dived in attacking. I cant see a single one were he has responded to you, or anyone else in this small group for that matter -
He has done himself no favours by ridiculing his pursuers with sweeping put down and I guess that's why the editor "pulled the plug".

This site is the best EFC site out there, so I wont follow Conors lead and stop reading, but He is 100% right There are a few who post 50- 60 times trying to shout don't anyone who dares to go against the views and there is a very real danger they will ruin thi site.

I wont condone the ridicule or the sweeping put downs, but I do understand them. They are always in response.

You guys spend a lot of time in here that's for sure. You clearly like it
So why not protect it. A forum will never be a proper forum if there is no room for all views.

Maybe that's something you and your group may want to consider when the next guy comes along.
Although I did notice you have already started to gang up on another poster with alternative views. You being right at the forefront.
I don't think its malice, but once you all get going, you do get carried away

Dont ruin the party by attacking the guy who likes a different kind of music

Enjoy the game tonight

It's not about contrasting opinions. Steve Ferns was essentially in a gang of one as a fan of Marco Silva. He had lengthy debates with people and most disagreed with him but he presented his case eloquently and politely. There weren't any issues.

Do you genuinely believe your mate is picked on by some imaginary gang?
Or is it posters with an opposite opinion giving thier point in as vigorous a manner as Darren?
The fact that so many on TW post against his views may make it seem like a gang. Its not.
He prides himself on many, many occasions about being a man who says it as he sees it. When anybody else posts saying it as they see it, he takes offence.

Do you consider Darren, the lad you reckon has got the skin of a rhino, is at the end of his tether due to the stick he is recieving?

Bit of a game being played here by the two of you imho.

I know, I really wanted Steve's expectations to be realized and that we'd have our very own "special one." Myself I am still convinced (deluded?) that if the board had allowed HKII to buy Dion Dublin we would have turned the corner.

You are bang on the money there.

When I first logged onto TW. Steve was taking dogs. Really unwaranted in my view. He dealt wit it like a gentleman.
The pantomime baddie is no gentleman. He was never going to take it the way steve did.

Thomas

I see why you keep coming back. Last time I spoke to you I offered you three chances to prove you were not telling outright lies. You failed.
I think you also recognise yourself when Conor spoke of somebody who posted over 100 times in a thread and said nothing. I think you recognise a lot of what has been said on this thread. That's why you are protesting so furiously

No wonder you were systematically blanked for do long.

Goodbye

If you think my post at 303 is furious protesting you have lived a sheltered life David.

What is this nonsense about three chances Darren?

What is this nonsense about three chances DAVID

Has anyone considered that all this debate about one poster on here, not for the first time, is a bit peculiar?

Is this really what TW should be about?

Just asking like, and not wanting to intrude on private grief.