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Jamie Crowley
1 Posted 23/06/2021 at 16:17:36
Praying for Hungary to pull a 1980 Miracle on Ice today.
Dale Self
2 Posted 23/06/2021 at 16:50:48
Conflicted now that Orban has stuck his big head into this. Normally I pull for the underdog and the Magyars are prime material but the way some of these so called leaders benefit from a team's success is a counterpoint. I'll probably pull for them come kickoff. Still riding that Canadiens win last night!
Kieran Kinsella
3 Posted 23/06/2021 at 16:51:37
Jamie

I'd love them to win but if they do I'll eat my hat, and the fact I don't even have a hat means I have very little confidence they will. Sadly. I don't know which of these two to watch. I'm worried France and Portugal may pull an Austria v Germany from 82 and both just play out for the draw. Meanwhile, I'm worried that my new found tolerance of Germans will be shattered the first time one of them dives and gets a dodgy penalty. Poland I am sure will let me down, Spain will bore the life out of me maybe probably get the point they need. Basically, I am in an Everton fan mindset today. Afraid to hope

Barry Hesketh
4 Posted 23/06/2021 at 16:53:21
Gary Neville talking about Hamsich (spelling?) on ITV obviously wanted to say that the Slovakian player was a cult figure but misspoke and used the word that some of the bedsheet brigade used against Benitez.
Kieran Kinsella
5 Posted 23/06/2021 at 16:54:39
Barry

Are you serious! That's hilarious. reminds me of Euro 96 and John Motson "The Germans have equalized. Kuntz"

Kieran Kinsella
6 Posted 23/06/2021 at 16:56:01
Dale

The Hungarians have never had much like with getting benevolent leaders. Attila the hun, Elizabeth Bathory, etc Arch Duke Ferdinand seemed alright but Serbia didn't think so.

Barry Hesketh
7 Posted 23/06/2021 at 16:56:13
I rewound the footage Kieran and I definitely heard the German player mentioned :)
Colin Glassar
8 Posted 23/06/2021 at 16:57:58
Kieran, the best one was Joe Mercer in the 1970 World Cup calling Tostao, “ that lad, Toast”. And Gherson - Gearson like Stan Boardmans, Geeeermins.
Andrew Ellams
9 Posted 23/06/2021 at 17:01:52
Luis Enrique could be free to join our shortlist in 90 minutes
Alan McGuffog
10 Posted 23/06/2021 at 17:02:04
Dale...I hope you wait till half time mate
Colin, I recall that and Cruyff was always " Cruff"
Dale Self
11 Posted 23/06/2021 at 17:04:47
Ooh, hadn't thought of the impact on the manager eligibilities.
Hey Alan, are you informed of a demonstration at half time. I love suspense and spectacle, do tell.
Alan McGuffog
12 Posted 23/06/2021 at 17:07:16
Good God Dale...have you no shame ! OK, have a pull at half time by all means but don't demonstrate.
Colin Glassar
13 Posted 23/06/2021 at 17:10:39
Good old Joe Mercer. England's best ever manager IMO.
Dale Self
14 Posted 23/06/2021 at 17:12:03
Oh dear, now I understand...I've talked myself into a bit of embarrassment. I do get a bit aroused and well, some good rigid support for the team is just the proper display of a man's pride.
Robert Bresnan
15 Posted 23/06/2021 at 17:13:50
On the question of misspeaks, can anyone remember a Match of The Day from perhaps 4 or 5 years ago when Lawrenson was doing his spiel and in the middle of it he said "penis"?

(Maybe it was a Football Focus, I can't remember but it was definitely Lawrenson saying penis).

All the other pundits ignored but I distinctly remembered it as my girlfriend of the time was there too and she found it the most hilarious thing ever!

Danny O’Neill
16 Posted 23/06/2021 at 17:15:11
Well, because of my early childhood and then later living & working there for 3 years, I'm with Deutschland tonight. They're probably the closest I get to supporting an international team, but I'm pretty neutral on the international scene to be honest.
Alan McGuffog
17 Posted 23/06/2021 at 17:18:17
Dale there is a story of how, years ago, a rugby union player from South Wales switched codes to play for Widnes in the rugby league. In those days league was more about running than union.
The coach, fearing for his fitness said to the player, before his debut..." do you mind if I pull you off at half time "
The player responded.." that'd be marvellous..at Neath we only got half an orange "
I'm here all week
Darryl Ritchie
18 Posted 23/06/2021 at 17:31:08
how's that for a Pickford flashback.
Mike Gaynes
19 Posted 23/06/2021 at 17:31:33
Dubravka just gave me a flashback to Picks in the derby.
Jeff Armstrong
20 Posted 23/06/2021 at 17:41:18
Busquets doing his usual foul and feigning injury routine, made a career out of it, looking a bit thin these days too.

Just keeps it simple , moves the ball on constantly.

Dale Self
21 Posted 23/06/2021 at 17:56:31
Good stuff Alan! The drinks are strong at the TW Sands. Come for the football but it's the jokes that pull you in.
Si Cooper
22 Posted 23/06/2021 at 17:58:28
Dubravka punching it into his own net when trying to pop it over the crossbar didn't remind me of Pickford's blunder because it was exactly the same as one that cost our works team a place in the knock-out rounds at a multinational inter-site competition.
To be fair our goalie wasn't a highly paid professional and was carrying some extra weight but it was another one were it looked more difficult to actually put it under the bar.
Jamie Crowley
23 Posted 23/06/2021 at 18:12:03
Olsen just made a good stop. I think him being a good and capable keeper really pushed Jordan to get better, and mature and grow up a bit.
Dale Self
24 Posted 23/06/2021 at 18:22:02
Wow that picked up. was about to write the Poles off. 2-1
Dennis Stevens
25 Posted 23/06/2021 at 18:24:11
Oldies but goldies, Alan. Didn't Rodney Marsh tell that one as an anecdote of his experience as an England player under Ramsey?
Jamie Crowley
26 Posted 23/06/2021 at 18:28:42
Can someone explain why there's like 10% capacity in the Sweden - Pol game, but all the Sweden supporters are shoulder to shoulder with zero distancing?

John Keating
27 Posted 23/06/2021 at 18:43:27
I look at the effort and commitment in the Sweden Poland game, maybe not the most skilfull
Then I look at the England poseurs!
Lewandowski v Kane????
Dale Self
28 Posted 23/06/2021 at 18:44:33
A better question. Why was Lewa able to take that and put it away without pressure? 2-2
Danny O’Neill
29 Posted 23/06/2021 at 18:46:00
Lewandowski. Oh how us modern fans sneer at a player who is approaching 30. He's 32. Top drawer.
Mike Gaynes
30 Posted 23/06/2021 at 18:46:37
Two things you wouldn't expect to see: 1) Lewandowski missing a wide-open goal, and 2) Lewandowski left completely alone in front to atone.

Fun game.

Mike Gaynes
31 Posted 23/06/2021 at 18:48:23
Danny #29, yes, and the second-best striker in the world this year is 36. Fella named Cristiano.
Jamie Crowley
32 Posted 23/06/2021 at 18:53:14
Sweden! Done and dusted. First place in group.
Mike Gaynes
33 Posted 23/06/2021 at 18:53:16
Brill. Gamewinner.
Jamie Crowley
34 Posted 23/06/2021 at 18:55:20
Hungary 2, Germany 1. Please God.
Mike Gaynes
35 Posted 23/06/2021 at 18:57:11
Why are you so hungary for that outcome, Jamie?
Jamie Crowley
36 Posted 23/06/2021 at 18:57:35
Starving for my wife.
Danny O’Neill
37 Posted 23/06/2021 at 19:01:14
What an end to that group! Who would have seen Sweden topping that one by 2 points?

Off to watch the Germans.

Think I said elsewhere, I don't know why and have little interest, but whatever happens, I think England's best chance is that Portugal come their way.

If a player looks after themselves and is lucky with injury Mike, age doesn't necessarily need to be a factor. All teams need experience alongside youth and potential.

Thomas Richards
38 Posted 23/06/2021 at 19:01:25
Kulusevski is a player in our bracket.
Fast, direct 21 years old
Mike Gaynes
39 Posted 23/06/2021 at 19:19:42
Danny #37, good point on luck. It matters. Cristiano is a conditioning demon but has also been fortunate with injuries. Eden Hazard is 8 years younger and close to the end of it because his ankle is starting to look like Marco Van Basten's.

Thomas #38, save your dreaming. He's going nowhere. Juventus will build around him, de Ligt, Chiesa and the Yank McKennie next season.

Thomas Richards
40 Posted 23/06/2021 at 19:21:26
Kean as bait Mike?
Jamie Crowley
41 Posted 23/06/2021 at 19:23:15
If anyone cares to join, I'll be in the LF for the Hungary game.

I can completely entertain myself in an empty room as well. But company would be welcome.

Brent Stephens
42 Posted 23/06/2021 at 19:26:46
Jamie #41 " I can completely entertain myself in an empty room as well".

Too much information, Jamie. Too much information.

Danny O’Neill
43 Posted 23/06/2021 at 19:26:59
McKennie did always impress me at Schalke Mike. Nothing special, but energetic, hard working and versatile from what I saw.
Jamie Crowley
44 Posted 23/06/2021 at 19:41:38
Hahaha Brent.

Oh God I didn't even go there.

David Pearl
45 Posted 23/06/2021 at 20:08:18
Jamie, its your gun, you can polish it any time you want.
Brent Stephens
46 Posted 23/06/2021 at 20:10:30
David, and Jamie don't fire blanks.
Dale Self
47 Posted 23/06/2021 at 20:13:14
KNELL! Magyars have a plan!
Jeff Armstrong
48 Posted 23/06/2021 at 20:14:04
Game on in Munich
James Flynn
49 Posted 23/06/2021 at 20:21:31
Robert (15) - It was brought up in here at the time. When talking about our game, mentioning Pienaar, it somehow came out Penis.

Mike Gaynes
50 Posted 23/06/2021 at 20:25:35
France/Portugal is shaping up into a cracking game. France's best tackler is Greizmann.

Danny #43, he has become special. Watching him with Juve and the US over the past year, he is the genuine article.

Jeff Armstrong
51 Posted 23/06/2021 at 20:36:02
Renato Sanches looks a player again.
Bobby Mallon
52 Posted 23/06/2021 at 20:39:30
Kieran Kinsella @3 don't share your lottery numbers😂
Mike Gaynes
53 Posted 23/06/2021 at 20:41:54
I wonder if we would ever consider Santos as our manager. He hasn't been a club manager in 11 years, but his Greece and Portugal national teams always play with so much passion and tactical awareness.
Jeff Armstrong
54 Posted 23/06/2021 at 20:47:12
Never a pen that for France.
Mike Gaynes
55 Posted 23/06/2021 at 20:47:14
Two dubious pens, two goals.
Jay Wood
[BRZ]

56 Posted 23/06/2021 at 20:49:53
Nailed on penalty for Portugal.

Never EVER a penalty for France.

Tony McNulty
57 Posted 23/06/2021 at 20:50:25
Often in life you run into people who adore making decisions.

This Spanish referee is one of them.

Jeff Armstrong
58 Posted 23/06/2021 at 20:50:36

Portugal's maybe less dubious.
Jamie Crowley
59 Posted 23/06/2021 at 20:51:29
What's all this yak-yak about Portugal-France. Who cares!

Hungary 1, Germany 0.

Let's go!

Jeff Armstrong
60 Posted 23/06/2021 at 20:52:04
Mbappe certainly ran into Semedo Tony!
Ian Bennett
61 Posted 23/06/2021 at 20:52:22
I like renato sanches, he looks like he's found himself. I missed opportunity.
Mike Gaynes
62 Posted 23/06/2021 at 20:56:12
Lloris' hand and Danilo's head hit the ball virtually simultaneously before Lloris' fist hit Danilo's face. In fact, if the ball doesn't hit Lloris' hand, it goes in the goal.
Tony McNulty
63 Posted 23/06/2021 at 20:57:45
Jeff - I seem to be with the majority here. The first one was a punch in the head and had to be given. If the second one is the standard for a pen we'd get fifty per side in most Premier league games.
Robert Tressell
64 Posted 23/06/2021 at 20:58:30
Renato Sanches has come on since his atrocious spell at Swansea. And the three Wolves (past and present) players holding their own too. Would it really be so bad if Jorge Mendes picks our players from now on?
Jeff Armstrong
65 Posted 23/06/2021 at 20:58:38
On reflection it's dangerous from Lloris he's just punching anything in his path, unfortunately it's Danilo's head, reckless.

Agreed Tony, France's never a pen.

Thomas Richards
66 Posted 23/06/2021 at 21:01:22
Football is on the way out if that is a penalty
Mike Gaynes
67 Posted 23/06/2021 at 21:02:39
Jeff, not reckless for me. Watch the replay at 29:13 on the game clock and Lloris' first contact is clearly the ball. The hand and head are both clearly on the ball at the same moment -- before the hand-to-head contact. Iffy pen for me. Not an incorrect call, mind, but certainly not reckless or worthy of a card, regardless of the consequences.
Jamie Crowley
68 Posted 23/06/2021 at 21:04:46
Saw the replays. Neither one a pen for me. No way on either. Lloris hits the ball first and has his eyes on the ball.

The France pen was just a joke. Had to be a "make up" call.

Mike Gaynes
69 Posted 23/06/2021 at 21:06:11
Digne on for France!
Jeff Armstrong
70 Posted 23/06/2021 at 21:08:08
Mike, I think Lloris is going for the ball, Danilo gets there first and heads onto Llori's hand, I just think Lloris doesn't care what else he takes out in his quest for the ball, reckless=yellow card, foul, pen for me.
Jeff Armstrong
71 Posted 23/06/2021 at 21:09:53
Offside?????
Tony McNulty
72 Posted 23/06/2021 at 21:10:03
I think Jamie and Mike used to referee Leeds versus Chelsea in the 70s.
Mike Gaynes
73 Posted 23/06/2021 at 21:10:19
Brilliant goal.
Mike Gaynes
74 Posted 23/06/2021 at 21:13:03
Tony, I'm actually a pretty tight ref. And I probably would have called that a pen. But there's no slo-mo replay in my games!
Tony McNulty
75 Posted 23/06/2021 at 21:13:20
Merde. Digne crocked.
Michael Kenrick
76 Posted 23/06/2021 at 21:13:24
Uh-Ohh... Digne popped his hamstring!
Bill Gall
77 Posted 23/06/2021 at 21:14:46
Must be from that extensive training at Everton
Jeff Armstrong
78 Posted 23/06/2021 at 21:15:11
Lucas's tourno over ?
Tony McNulty
79 Posted 23/06/2021 at 21:15:13
Seriously Mike. Have you ever watched any of those x-rated games? It is so far away from what is allowed now.
Mike Gaynes
81 Posted 23/06/2021 at 21:20:47
Tony, very few league games were televised in the US in the 60s and 70s, so I've only seen glimpses in old film.

However I've recently read the reminiscences of players of that era in the Everton books by David Prentice, Brian Viner and James Corbett. And many years ago I read a book that was either about or by Nobby Stiles.

It certainly was a different game.

Tony McNulty
82 Posted 23/06/2021 at 21:21:56
Is there a golden whistle award for referees in this tournament, based on pens given?
Mike Gaynes
83 Posted 23/06/2021 at 21:22:21
What's the record for most pens in one Euro game? 3 now.
Mike Gaynes
84 Posted 23/06/2021 at 21:23:47
Ronaldo is amazing. 55 in 55 for Portugal since he turned 30.
Jeff Armstrong
85 Posted 23/06/2021 at 21:28:01
WOW Munich! Magyars ahead again !

Proper group of death this.

If it stay as it is Germany out and England play Portugal

Mike Gaynes
86 Posted 23/06/2021 at 21:31:43
Whooo-eeee Rui
Tony McNulty
87 Posted 23/06/2021 at 21:34:28
Has it occurred to anyone else that what happened to Digne kind of summarises what's been happening to Everton recently?
Jamie Crowley
88 Posted 23/06/2021 at 21:36:34
If Hungary holds on, my wife get to watch the game this weekend with her 88 year old, failing father, who moved to America at 4 years old from Hungary.

Please hang on Hungary.

Tony McNulty
89 Posted 23/06/2021 at 21:40:17
Apparently Hungarian is almost impossible to learn
Jeff Armstrong
90 Posted 23/06/2021 at 21:41:20
Even for Hungarians😁
Alan McGuffog
91 Posted 23/06/2021 at 21:41:36
Had a soft spot for the Magyars since standing in the Street End on a pissing wet Friday night in 1966 watching them destroy Brazil.
Ian Bennett
92 Posted 23/06/2021 at 21:48:53
Rabiot is very unimpressive. £30m and £100k plus wages, you can see why we were linked with him. Looks garbage.
Mike Gaynes
93 Posted 23/06/2021 at 21:52:08
Ian #92, I've been saying that for months, ever since he was rumored for us. I watch every Juve game and never thought he was worth the investment for us.
Tony McNulty
94 Posted 23/06/2021 at 21:55:02
Some refs just won't give penalties
Jamie Crowley
95 Posted 23/06/2021 at 21:55:12
Hungary leave, heads held very, very high.

They should be proud.

Mike Gaynes
96 Posted 23/06/2021 at 21:56:05
In real time that looked a pen for me.
Jeff Armstrong
97 Posted 23/06/2021 at 21:56:52
And some give 3 in a game, should have been 4, that was a foul on Coman there.
Mike Gaynes
98 Posted 23/06/2021 at 21:58:25
Two entertaining 2-2s.
Dale Self
99 Posted 23/06/2021 at 22:05:00
Twouche Mike!
Rob Halligan
100 Posted 23/06/2021 at 22:07:55
Mike # 96. That looked a clear penalty to me, as Fernandes clearly made contact with the French players calf.
Dave Abrahams
101 Posted 23/06/2021 at 22:08:12
Going on that game tonight Hungary v Germany I don't think England have anything to fear from this German squad, Hungary defended very well but Germany, using many substitutes never altered their tactics and seemed afraid to run with the ball, continually passing backwards, no usual aggressive German play,never seen such a passive German team, I hope they can up their game at Wembley but can't see it from this squad.
Jeff Armstrong
102 Posted 23/06/2021 at 22:08:31
Ian, #92 agreed, he's had game time in all 3 I've watched and been very ordinary, hope he was an Ancelloti target and not Brands.
Jeff Armstrong
103 Posted 23/06/2021 at 22:10:29
Dave #101, I don't think Germany will be quaking in their boots facing England either, pens maybe?
Jamie Crowley
104 Posted 23/06/2021 at 22:13:35
I think England will beat Germany. Two really poor games by German standards with Hungary and France.
Mike Doyle
105 Posted 23/06/2021 at 22:14:30
Dave 101 ] I was thinking the same as you, but reminded myself
1] Germany looked pretty good beating Portugal
2] football history tells us never to write off the Germans.
On what I've seen of the games to date I think this tournament is wide open with no clear favourite.
Jamie Crowley
106 Posted 23/06/2021 at 22:17:09
Is Germany England's most hated rival?

Genuine question.

Or Argentina? Scotland?

Who's #1 on the rival list?

Jeff Armstrong
107 Posted 23/06/2021 at 22:18:15
It's Liverpool , then Germany ,Jamie.😂
Brent Stephens
108 Posted 23/06/2021 at 22:18:56
Jamie, England are their own worst enemy at times. Most times.
Barry Rathbone
109 Posted 23/06/2021 at 22:20:07
German mentality is normally what sees them turn us over it rescued them tonight and unless the England side has a character transplant almost certainly they will slap us around again.
David Pearl
110 Posted 23/06/2021 at 22:20:10
Germany all day.
Beat them and should make the final
Jamie Crowley
111 Posted 23/06/2021 at 22:24:30
This American cousin will be 100% behind the English this weekend.

Despite my Irish heritage. ;0)

Dave Abrahams
112 Posted 23/06/2021 at 22:25:52
Mike (105), I never saw the German game v Portugal, I agree, never write a German team off, but this squad Mike, a lot of them don't play like Germans, much more timid than aggressive, we won't have long to wait to see who comes out on top, maybe penalties as someone suggested.
Danny O’Neill
113 Posted 23/06/2021 at 22:51:42
The joint I was in tonight had Portugal v France on so I didn't see Hungary v Germany.

But, as I said prior to the tournament, this German team is very much in transition. An ageing elite with some up and coming players but no glue in the middle if that makes sense.

I think England can beat them.

Tom Bowers
114 Posted 23/06/2021 at 22:57:36
Perfect time for England to exact revenge for that 1996 defeat when Southgate himself played. Hopefully Jordan won't have to face any pens.
Mike Doyle
115 Posted 23/06/2021 at 23:03:13
Dave 112,

If it comes to a penalty shoot-out, there are grounds for concern. Germany have been involved in 7. They lost the first vs the Czechs in 1976, but won the other 6.

Mark Murphy
116 Posted 23/06/2021 at 23:16:58
Who gives a flying f#ck about London FC?
UTFT!

Don Alexander
117 Posted 23/06/2021 at 23:18:36
Tony (#89) "Yo Nappot. Kettuh korso kayrem" is all you need to know. That gets you "Hello, two pints please." "Kersunum" is "Thanks",

Don't mention it!

Mike Gaynes
119 Posted 24/06/2021 at 01:52:12
Well put, James, but unoriginal.
Kieran Kinsella
120 Posted 24/06/2021 at 03:37:38
This drama about the rainbow pro LGBT armband for Germany v Hungary is kind of crass. Neuer and the rest of these lads had grandfathers who made people wear armbands to denote homosexuality on the way to the gas chamber.
Stephen Davies
121 Posted 24/06/2021 at 05:20:35
Kieran #120
And some of them may have had a connection to the German Homosexuals who were murdered in gas Chambers.
Dan Nulty
122 Posted 24/06/2021 at 07:12:07
Keiran 120, I don't get your point? Are you saying that because of the behaviour of a group of people in a country 80 years ago people in that country in 2021 can't learn from it and act differently?
Danny O’Neill
123 Posted 24/06/2021 at 07:19:04
Expecting a bit of a humdinger.

Germany are not the force they where a few years back but can still turn it on when they want (Portugal).

England if they believe, can be good going forward. If they believe.

Should be a good one. Most likely end up being a game of chess decided on penalties!!

Dave Abrahams
124 Posted 24/06/2021 at 10:19:40
Mike (115), yes they are/were good with penalties but I'm presuming they won those shootouts with different players to the present team, in the same way we lost them with different players. Could be a big chance for Jordan Pickford to shine, although it usual is a guessing game for goalkeepers with penalties to face.

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