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Paul Carr
1 Posted 03/03/2021 at 16:24:25
I tend to agree with this very objective view of the progress made over the last 5 years. The initial managerial appointments showed a lack of both football knowledge and ambition. However would a top class manager have been attracted to the club 5 years ago?
Player recruitment has only improved recently, though many would question the policy on striker back up- is King ever going to play more that 15 minutes? And why is Keen capable of succeeding at PSG but not at Everton.
Winning the FA Cup and/or a top 4 finish, both achievable, would be a huge step forward in meeting those early objectives.
Better late than never. Same with the stadium project. Many years late but we will get there soon.
Kieran Kinsella
2 Posted 03/03/2021 at 16:53:39
Paul

I disagree with your gripe on the capacity. Goodison has cheap tickets with limited views. I doubt ticket prices will be the same or less at the new stadium. I suspect some fans will find themselves priced out. Also, with increasing variability as to when games are played (Fridays, Thursdays etc) it's harder for folks to get to games and easier to say "I'll just watch on TV." The other thing is that while the waiting list sounds good, we've never averaged crowds of 60,000 even in the days when you could cram half a million standers into Wembley. If all the waiting list people got season tickets that would leave us with a couple of thousand of people without seats. That's not much of a buffer for a recession, a dip in form, a dislike of the team's style of play, or God forbid relegation.

Kevin Prytherch
3 Posted 03/03/2021 at 17:20:49
Strange how other expenses have risen in 5 years. Didn’t a certain former chairman get slated for this?
Barry Rathbone
4 Posted 03/03/2021 at 21:42:08
Not disappointed at all only Mansoor and Abramovich have transformed non-entity clubs into consistent challengers and trophy winners and that was via the foolproof blueprint of unlimited cash.

Mr Moshiri is in the peer group below of the Mike Ashley and Venkys flavour unmitigated disasters who have floundered from day 1. Our man has made mistakes but rectified by bringing in footballing illuminati like Ancelotti and Brands and is on course to deliver a spanking new stadium.

Those of us who like to apply perspective should be passing the hat round for a bronze statue of the man.

Alan J Thompson
5 Posted 04/03/2021 at 15:15:12
If Mr Ancelotti performs as he alludes, finishing "Top 4", say this year and next and manages a good run in the Champions League in one of those years, would this not see income/prize money and TV coverage to go a long way to reducing the debt, even allowing for one or two big-money signings?

It might also entice back or enhance the transfer fee for Moise Kean although there are few others we would want to lose, more likely wanting to add.

I doubt Mr Moshiri will be too concerned unless he sees a rapid decline in form that affects income.

Martin Mason
6 Posted 04/03/2021 at 17:20:07
As always a very good article Paul but I'd say that progress has been made in those intangible areas that are difficult to quantify unlike absolute results. This type of progress is an essential launch pad which necessarily precedes progress in results. I think of spirit throughout the club, depth of squad, increase in value of low value players, ability to attract better quality, etc., all of which you can't quantify the benefit but it is real. The money he has put in is truly eye watering though but he hasn't done it for nothing.
Bill Hawker
7 Posted 04/03/2021 at 19:55:53
Very good work as always, Paul. Glad you're willing to do the dirty work of digging around for all of these numbers.
Jerome Shields
8 Posted 10/03/2021 at 16:52:47
Just read your analysis and as agree totally with your conclusion. . Need a structural change in the off pitch adm management.
Stan Schofield
9 Posted 11/03/2021 at 16:23:04
Where we are is not surprising in terms of expenditure. The latter has been nowhere near that of the three elite clubs City, Utd and Chelsea, and less than the non-elite clubs Spurs, Arsenal and Liverpool. In fact, from the perspective of Cost-Benefit Analysis, we’re probably far more cost-effective than Liverpool, who’s expenditure on players in the PL era is not far below Utd’s, whilst Utd have won the PL 13 times!!

To really compete at the very top, and to do so consistently like City, Utd and Chelsea, would require a big increase in expenditure on players. This seems unlikely unless someone like Usmanov is working in the background to provide the resources.

Even then, such resources are only a necessary condition for success. They are not a sufficient condition, as exemplified by Liverpool.

Brian Harrison
10 Posted 11/03/2021 at 16:58:38
Paul,

I think if I was Farhad Moshiri I would be extremely disappointed on the return he has had for pumping in the best part of £450 million. And not only has he had a poor return so far, he will need to invest in the next 5 years even more than he has in the last 5 years to move the club to where he and us want it to be. Obviously his choices of manager have not served him well, and apart from 1 season under Martinez we have gone backwards. The problem he had from the start is he couldnt attract a real top quality manager as our record at competing in Europe or winning domestic trophies were non existent for the last 30 odd years. And without the right man at the helm of the club it was always going to be difficult to change the perception of the club which would make it more attractive to the top managers. When it was rumoured that Moshiri was after Simeone, when the press asked Simeone at his next press conference was there any truth about the rumours linking him to a move to Everton, Simeone simply asked who?

At last he has a quality manager in charge the pity is that we didnt get Ancelotti when Moshiri took over. I am sure had Ancelotti been handed a £450 million war chest to spend over 5 years we would by now be competing for a regular top 4 place and may have picked up a trophy along the way. But we have hired a top manager but because of FFP and the money needed to finance a new stadium, then Ancelotti will feel as though he is trying to achieve success with one hand tied behind his back.

Also the rumours of the extended Champions league format makes it an absolute must to be involved if Moshiri is to fullfil his dream. I know many posters on here when this new Champions league format has been put forward have suggested let them get on with it. But if the new format comes in and we are not part of it then this club will find it impossible to attract the sort of players we will need to ever hope of filling BMD.
So for me these next 5 years are way more important than the last 5 and if we get it as badly wrong as we have in Farhads first 5 years then BMD might become a noose round our neck for decades to come.

Andrew Ellams
11 Posted 11/03/2021 at 17:11:45
Brian @10, you say that Moshiri couldn't attract a top quality manager but who do we know of that he actually approached?

I know there was plenty of media rumours but most of them probably had little or no substance. The only ones I remember that almost came close were the 2 Portuguese guys who ended up in Qatar and the Ukraine instead.

Stan Schofield
12 Posted 11/03/2021 at 19:36:58
Brian@10: I don’t think there was a £450M war chest. There’s a difference between a gross spend and a net spend, and for us the latter is not £450M. For example, Lukaku and Stones were sold for a total of over £120M, and that was prior to the inflation caused by the £200M sale of Neymar from Barca to PSG.

Imagine if we had both DCL and Lukaku. That’s the level of depth that the likes of City have, and we cannot compete with it.


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