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Peter Mills
1 Posted 20/05/2021 at 10:33:33
Rob, you’ve whetted my appetite to read this. Pat has always been someone to speak his mind rather than mutter anodyne statements.

He was a very good player, but never really did it for us. I remember him ripping us to pieces for Chelsea at Goodison just before Christmas 1984, in what I think was our last home defeat of the season. But he was injured in his early days for us, then I think he suffered a debilitating illness from which he took a long time to recover - at times, kicking the ball more than 5 yards looked an effort for him.

This will be worth a read.

Dave Abrahams
2 Posted 20/05/2021 at 12:51:29
Pat Nevin, will always be the very quiet rebel to me as well as a very gifted footballer. I saw this little fella coming out of the Main entrance of Goodison Park one sunny morning, I was going to pick my grandson up who lived nearby, he was dressed in dungarees and a leather jacket, I know my footballers so I recognised him but didn’t approach him, this was when he was in the process of signing for the Blues.

Later on when Kendall had made it obvious he didn’t rate Pat, I saw him one cold miserable winters day, up and down the wing for Everton reserves doing the best he could, playing very well. I wrote him a letter a few days later, praising him but asking how he felt in giving his all in such very drab conditions for the reserves, when he should have, IMO, been in the first team.

A few weeks later, I’d forgot about writing to him, I received a letter, which still makes me smile, it was on what looked like an old green envelope, torn around the edges, and on it Pat said, thank you for taking the time to write to me and the main theme was “ No matter who I play for, first team or reserves I always try to do my best because I am still paid the same wages no matter what.

Like Peter(1), I will also endeavour to get this book, you never forget nice people and I think Pat Nevin is one, and always the same man, no side to him at all.

Danny O’Neill
3 Posted 20/05/2021 at 13:11:23
Technically gifted player that I used to really like watching.

The memory is fading and I don't want to Google, but did he play for the Chelsea team at Goodison that had not long been promoted around 87-ish?

We frustratingly drew 2 - 2, Chelsea wore some some of green / turquoise strip and it was the match Pat van den Hauwe got away with totally flooring David Speedie off the ball.

Matt Traynor
4 Posted 20/05/2021 at 14:13:31
I had the pleasure of meeting him, outside Gigg Lane after Everton had somehow conspired to let a two-goal lead slip and draw 2-2, but through as had comfortably won the home game.

Even though he was on crutches, he still wanted to watch his team mates from the stands.

He not only signed our match programmes, we were all 6th formers – and all forming our own musical tastes – he discussed it in depth with each of the four of us, listening, chatting and giving back the Scouse wit with interest.

The team coach (as in bus), eventually sent someone over to retrieve him, as the persistent horn blowing had no impact.

It was a shame Howard Kendall II didn't give him a chance, but throughout his career, Kendall made his mind up on players pretty quickly and seldom changed it.

I look forward to reading this. I heard him on Radio 5 this morning talking about it, and in typical fashion he was self-deprecating, talking about the forthcoming Euros instead. Your review, Rob, has convinced me it's worth getting – not that I ever doubted it would be an interesting read.

Danny O’Neill
5 Posted 20/05/2021 at 14:23:41
Good point about Kendall, Matt.

Even in his first stint, he quickly realised and made decisions on players, even his own signings.

Barry Hesketh
6 Posted 20/05/2021 at 14:43:29
Danny @3,

You're correct: Everton drew 2-2, Colin Pates scored near the end, when they were down to 10 men, following the dismissal of McAllister. The games between Chelsea and Everton were quite feisty in those days, but at least Everton beat them at Stamford Bridge and we went on to win the league.

I don't know what colour the Chelsea strip is... Greyish Green?

Everton vs Chelsea 1986

Kieran Kinsella
7 Posted 20/05/2021 at 14:46:59
Pat Nevin scored in the first Everton game I ever attended. He did really well at Tranmere which, while a lower level, isn't normally a place where diminutive skillful players excel. I was baffled that Howard obviously didn't rate him but Howard (back in the day) got more right than wrong. But while I've never met Pat, he appears to be a very intelligent, very pleasant fellow.
Ray Robinson
8 Posted 20/05/2021 at 15:34:47
I met him in total darkness on the top row of the Manchester Echo Arena at a Spice Girls concert to which we had taken our respective daughters. I asked his wife if he was, as as serious music lover, as embarrassed as I was to be seen there.

What are the chances of travelling to an event and sitting two seats away from an Everton supporter?

Tim Welsh
9 Posted 20/05/2021 at 18:14:27
I don't often post, but I feel strongly about Nevin.
In his public profile he has all but erased us from his memory and has taken the BBC directive to promote the filth.
Maybe Kendall knew something that we didn't.
There are very few ex-Toffees who I have contempt for, but Nevin is near the top of the list. I have more respect for Barmby - at least he was honest !
Barry Rathbone
10 Posted 20/05/2021 at 18:19:50
Probably was a nice guy with an intellect to match but he never did it here, Kendal was right
Brendan McLaughlin
11 Posted 20/05/2021 at 18:24:47
Tim#9
"There are very few ex-Toffees who I have contempt for, but Nevin is near the top of the list". There's a contradiction in there, surely?
Mark Murphy
12 Posted 20/05/2021 at 18:31:25
Was it Nevin who was denied a blatant pen at Anfield (in the draw before the 4-4 game) or am I confusing him with 37 other players?
Barry Hesketh
13 Posted 20/05/2021 at 18:36:47
Mark @12
There are many occasions when a certain penalty has been denied for Everton at the other place, but I seem to remember that it was Nevin in the first cup match who was denied a stonewall penalty. If you go to around 9min 30sec in the linked video you can see if it was a legitimate claim

EFC FA Cup

Mark Murphy
14 Posted 20/05/2021 at 18:40:43
Oh I can remember it like yesterday Barry.
Barry Hesketh
15 Posted 20/05/2021 at 18:44:07
Mark @14
Having just watched it again, to see if it really was as blatant as I remembered it, I can't understand why the Referee (Neil Midgely?) didn't award it, even from his vantage point. I was behind that goal and everybody shouted penalty immediately.
Dave Abrahams
16 Posted 20/05/2021 at 19:14:38
Barry (15), Inwas shouting for a penalty and I was in the Kop, yes it was Midgely and he refereed the 4-4 game as well. This was the game when Stevie McMahon was carried off a terrible foul on John Ebbrell, a Liverpool supporter was calling Ebbrell all the dirty so and so’s under the sun, I said t him, see who gets the free kick, Everton got it!!
Dave Abrahams
17 Posted 20/05/2021 at 19:19:30
Barry 10), I think half the problem was Pat Nevin never got the chance to show what he could do once Howard took over.
Peter Mills
18 Posted 20/05/2021 at 20:03:05
I was in the Anfield Road end for that Cup tie at Anfield, and have rarely seen a clearer penalty.

I returned home to discover our family had been hit by a disaster. I prefer not to go into the details, but would like to say that by a quirk of fate we subsequently befriended referee Neil Midgeley, who was very generous with his time helping a charity we established. He may have had shortcomings as a referee but he was a lovely guy. (I still gave him stick about the penalty whenever I met him!).

Paul Birmingham
19 Posted 20/05/2021 at 21:02:51
Remember that cup game on a Sunday afternoon, and McMahon, got his just deserts., and Everton got robbed of a penalty again..Me and a few mates were in the Kemlyn Road and giving as good as we got.

There was a shocking few years were Lawrenson was pulling players shirts, when we were wiping the floor with them, Hansen getting away with hand balls, and the diabolical disallowed Wayne Clarke header.

Throw in Don Hutchinsons disallowed goal at our place, and where does time go, and at least we got some better luck this season v the RS at Goodison.

Hopefully this weekend will pan out for Everton.

Stephen Vincent
20 Posted 20/05/2021 at 21:17:08
He scored the most forgotten goal in FA cup history the semi final vs Norwich whilst Hillsborough was going on.
Seb Niemand
21 Posted 20/05/2021 at 22:49:30
Pat, regardless whom he played for, will always be one of my favourite, very favourite footballers. Wherever he put on a boot to play, he made a better place, he made the game more watchable, he bought a smile, he gave something. I have nothing but warm memories of him and I look forward to reading the book!
Andrew James
22 Posted 21/05/2021 at 23:38:29
Regarding the one negative comment in this thread, Pat Nevin has waxed lyrical about our neighbours over the last 2/3 years during which they won the Champions League and the league title. What else was he expected to do?

It would have seemed odd if he'd done otherwise and if this was us operating at that level and Carragher or Souness were reluctant to pay compliments, we'd be quick to jump on them.

He's just been honest and never been disrespectful towards us either as, when we do well, you can tell he gets a kick out of it.

As a player, he probably should have won more a little like his team mate Kerry Dixon.

One thing that always surprises me is that HK didn't like him. After coming in for his second managerial spell, HK was obsessed with a Spanish style with technical but diminutive players like Beardsley, Ward, Cottee, Beagrie, Warzycha, Ebbrell (we were linked with Hagi at the time as well!) but Nevin was sidelined?

Bobby Thomas
23 Posted 22/05/2021 at 00:49:07
Generally, Kendall didn't like to play with out and out wingers.

In the days of the rigid 4-4-2, Kendall mostly preferred his "wide"players to be ones that could also play central, and would probably have preferred to play central, given the option. Like Sheedy for example, who definitely would have preferred centre mid. But in those days it was never going to happen. Sheedy did a bit of central in 86/87 when injuries kicked in. He was excellent.

As I understand it, Kendalls thinking was that you'd get the width but they'd also play wide narrow to keep it kind of compact so you'd not get strung out. They generally needed to have the legs to work up and down and preferably have a few goals in them. If the legs weren't on one side then they definitely had to be on the other. Like Trevor Steven, Mark Ward, or Kevin Richardson - who played central everywhere else as far as I know.

When Kendall sold Beardsley he spent the money on Graham Stuart and played him right mid. Hard working, up and down, few goals in him, play central at a push. Even fucking Preki preferred to play centre mid!!

When Kendall came back for the second time I knew Nevin and Beagrie may as well have packed their bags straight away. There was no way Kendall was going to have them. I thought both were a shocking waste of money anyway. I didn't rate Nevin. And Beagrie? Christ. Self-indulgent, greedy, unproductive. Played like he was in the school yard. In fact, apart from Keown and Hinchcliffe I'm not sure Colin had many successes in the market. Most were really poor and really expensive. Good God, I've just thought of Mike Milligan

David McMullen
24 Posted 22/05/2021 at 20:33:50
One of the better players as the side slid away from the top table. Altough I still remember that miss – I think it was against Liverpool (might have been Man Utd). Obviously the biggie was his two semi-final winners (Simod Cup!) and Villa Park.

Just listened to the Roger Armstrong interview; very good to listen.

Peter Mills
25 Posted 23/05/2021 at 08:41:16
I’ve now read the book, and recommend it. It sounds like the spirit around our club was pretty poor during Pat’s spell with us, but that won’t come as any great surprise to us. Plenty of other stuff of interest.

I suspect Pat is something of a Marmite type of guy, but to me he comes across as dedicated and principled.

Well worth a read.

Dave Abrahams
26 Posted 23/05/2021 at 08:55:31
Peter (25), mine came yesterday, but it will have to wait to be read. I'm in the middle of another book I can't put down, but you've whetted my appetite. As you say there is more than football to Pat Nevin's life.

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