Premier League – Matchweek 36

Will Stevie G do us a solid?

BOOM. 1-0. Up the Villa (for today only).

Come on Villa...

Brentford 1 up against Southampton

Brentford 2 up. Soton could get dragged in as their next game is the Red Shite

Brentford 2 up just us against Leeds and Burnley now

Up the Villa!

Never even considered Southampton as relegation candidates, but man if they lose 2 or 3 to nothing, they're actually in big trouble.

On 40 points and presently -19 GD. Liverpool and Leicester left, not easy games!

For the first time ever I'm rooting for Slippy and his Villans.

Cmon Villa, win this one and then the return game at Villa Park, in a few weeks, would be a massive boost for Everton.

But Everton can decide their own destiny and a result tomorrow taking at least a point is massive.

This weekend, the momentum, if Arsenal do the business tomorrow, could be with Everton.

UTFT!

Steven Gerrard is a fine manager, with many qualities.

Jamie, that would take ALL of us, Burnley and Leeds getting to 40 points. Unlikely.

Shows the value of points in the bag at this stage.

2-0!!!

VILLLLLAAAAA. 2-0!

Set up by Lucas Digne.

Ings not having his old club there. Brentford not looking like they've lost any drive so far today. Still some twists to come.

Nice pass from Digne for the goal

Nerves getting to Burnley? With luck, Villa don't do what we did at Turf Moor.

Watford 1-0 down

I really wish you hadn't said that Will

I think that leaves you and me at 1-1 Kevin :)

Watford gone if they lose

They're gone for sure, Nick. Just a case of when it's confirmed.

Watching some of the Chelsea v Wolves game amazing the amount of empty seats at the Bridge some supporters they have, cant even support a top 6 team

Chelsea can't sell tickets. Season ticket only due to Russia sanctions bill

Very funny TV shot of Chelsea's new owner learning about VAR. Dumb Yank.

Ian #24, no longer true. That was the case when Abramovich was first sanctioned, but Chelsea can now sell tickets, they just can't keep the revenues. So those empty seats are down to indifference. (Or an impromptu protest against the new American ownership.)

Few hundred fans gathered at finch farm this afternoon to cheer the squad as they set off for Leicester.

I wish half time right now could be full time.

Southampton as an outside bet anyone?

That's great, Rob. Any blue smoke?

Results looking good. Hope Villa don’t slip up ! Watford doomed.

Danny (27) that would take ALL of Everton, Burnley and Leeds getting to 40 points. Unlikely.

Shows the value of points in the bag at this stage.

3-0!!!

3-0

3-0.

Brian -

I'm too focused on how many points Everton are on. You're prob correct - it would be "statistically weird" for Southampton to be in danger for sure.

Still, remains a possibility even though remote.

An absolute master stroke selling Digne to Villa !

No blue smoke, Mike. Plenty of flags though.

Goal difference taking a knock too

Rom earning a new contract at Chelsea. Two in 2 minutes. Yank owner seen writing up new deal on his laptop.

Tarkowski went off after 47 minutes to be replaced by Kevin Long. That means Burnley are down to their 3rd and 4th choice CBs.

Not sure why he went off but he must be injured.

Steven Gerrard, what a manager.

Leeds away at Arsenal tomorrow. Now that Arteta is turning out to be quite a manager too.

Assuming no miracle turn 'round from Burnley today, you'd also have to fancy Villa for the return match at Villa Park. Undoubtedly matches that Burnley were counting on to get some points on the board, as the other matches they play are away to Spurs & home to the skunks - not easy!

Burnley away to Spurs and Villa next, then home to Newcastle in their last game. They will be lucky to get a point from that lot.

Yes, I think you're right Steve @43. This is an important score for us, very important. I can't see a comeback for them.

We just need to hold our nerve now.

Yeah, Robert, and it was only eight months ago that Arteta looked done, #1 in the sack race.

Looks like 40 points is the mark.

Can't see Southampton getting another point. Leeds should get to 40, and Burnley could still scrap to 40.

Really can't see Burnley or Leeds getting 40 points.

Agreed, Simon. Burnley would need to pull a big surprise. Leeds would have to pull two.

If things go right, we could be safe next Sunday night.

Mike @45, indeed. Lampard is our man. He started off playing, or trying to play, the type of football for which we all yearn. But then he got bitten and - a bit late - has cut back in order to survive.

But his instincts remain and we will recover Everton flair in due course. He's also a hard sort (as well as being a stupendous player). I was very pleased with his response to the FA charge: his first responsibility is to protect Everton. So it is.

We must stick with him and his team. I think we're going to gather trophies with him over the years.

It would be funny if he and Gerrard were to end up in serious managerial competition; but it's possible.

I had a speculative tenner this week on Southampton to go down 60/1.

Results in our favour today but we still need to gain points ouselves. Just one tomorrow will be very useful.

Cornet gets one back for Burnley - blow.

Standing ovation for Rom at the Bridge. I think that's the first time.

Tony #50, wouldn't surprise me. Center backs and central mids make the best managers. These two are destined for success IMO.

Neither Burnley or Leeds are getting 40 points.

Burnley get a goal back!

Not too sure how accurate that is, Mike #53. Off the cuff, I think Catterick, Clough, Revie & Ferguson were all strikers.

Holy spitz, Wolves equalize with the last touch of the game. Chelsea's new Yank looks sick.

Burnley will finish on 34 points, and Leeds on 35. I can’t see Burnley getting any more points, and leeds may get one more, a home draw against Brighton. One more win for us and we’re sound!!

So Burnley lost and their next game is Spurs away. Three points tomorrow would be golden for us. So lets hope they don't blow it.

As I mentioned, the send off from finch farm.

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/frank-lampard-everton-finch-farm-23893311

Sorry Mike, there was blue smoke! 😄😄😄

Dennis, historically true... but of today's top managers, very few. Mostly mids and CBs.

Don't you just luv' Slippy G.

Great send off by the fans. The players need to feel it as much as we do.

The results went our way.

Over to us Everton. Look after out own fate.

Rob @58, we're nearly there, mate, but we have to help ourselves. I'm very confident about next season if we survive.

This has been a necessary shock.

Don't forget the goalies, Mike - there was Mike Walker &, er

Everton win tomorrow carlo and pep do the rest, is that too much to ask. coyb oh and chairman resignation, heaven on earth

That late Wolves equalizer will do us some good. It will keep Chelsea motivated for their game against Leeds if they want to hang onto 3rd place. If Arsenal beat Leeds tomorrow they will only be 1 point behind Chelsea.

Brian, # 66. Don’t forget Thomas.

Get the Rosary Beads out Brian. I'll have mine out in the morning and asking the dogs for inspiration!

Chelski have conceded late and have drawn with Wolves, Leeds may have a chance in midweek against them

Chelski have conceded late and have drawn with Wolves, Leeds may have a chance in midweek against them

We should send a choir to the relevant hotel in Leicester to hold a candlelit vigil and sing some sweet, sweet lullabies.

Now that Watford are down, do we think they'll be playing without fear next week or without hope? Recent experience for us suggests the former, so I'd be happy with a point next week. This means tomorrow is win or bust for us. We know the foxes have a potential Thursday hangover, so if we come out the traps tomorrow and have runners across the pitch from minute one then we could pull this off.

The thing about Lampard is that he has the talent to take the game away from our idiot directors/owner. These are the people who, aided by the players, have done the damage. Alas, a lot of fans have been persuaded to blame managers.

Frank will just do well because that is in his nature. Then, the dickheads won't matter (though, no doubt, they'll claim the credit).

Just seen Kamara of Watford was sent off today, so will miss the game against us. Isn’t he one of their better players?

It’s even more in our own hands now with 2 games in hand on Burnley. A great set of results for us today but none of it matters if we win our games.

Every game is winnable and we are finding a bit of form. COYB, keep the focus and go again tomorrow. We can do this.

UTFT

Goose bumps watching that FF send-off. Cant wait for tomorrow.

Blimey, didn’t realise how close Southampton are to the drop. They only have two games left, the RS at home and Leicester away. Their goal difference is -20 as we speak. Probably be safe though, as I can’t see Burnley getting anymore points, and Leeds might get one more.

Rob, he has been their first choice left back so we could be targeting that side. Gray or Gordon will get chances to attack and provide assists.

I told my brother to put a pound on Southampton Rob (yes, me the eternal gambler!!). You could get 80-1 earlier this week.

Stranger things happen.

Danny, I watched them against Burnley couple of weeks ago, couldn’t believe how bad they were. It’s like they’ve hit a brick wall.

Brent, me too. Another fantastic showing from the greatest supporters in the world.

Rob, that video won't load for me, but thanks for the smoky update!

Dennis, I read somewhere that Big Nev was one of the worst managers ever.

Since I've been so Youtube link happy lately

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGsEvE18eyk

Brilliant! Has anyone ever seen a crowd that large leaving Finch Farm for an away game?? Jeez. So awesome.

Danny O'Neill -

Those beads come in handy, but going to Mass is dandy.
Butts in pews Danny, butts in pews.

How dare you speak ill of Nev, Mike?! The man's a god - with a godly physique to match!

Link

Who has got Dave A’s lump of coal?

Thanks Jamie and Will for posting. That's awesome.

Love the little blond kid with the Davies hair bun... and the Richarlison shirt. Confused, but committed.

Dennis #84, more Buddha than godlike.

Amazing scenes at Goodison on Sunday and now at Finch Farm. Can anyone imagine the scenes if we actually won something ? Makes me prouder than ever to be a Blue.

Tarkowski went off with a knee injury. He is out of contract at the end of the season and I doubt that he will want to risk playing again and potentially screw up the deal with his next club.
Burnley were found out today. The ale house team could not play the high press.

So happy to see Shitbucket United losing again. Rangnick making an absolute ass of himself today by calling Greenwood's arrest a "human disaster"... for Greenwood, his family and the club.

No mention of the victim.

Dickhead.

Well said Mike. The victim is often forgotten when celebrities are concerned.

Spot on, Mike. What a disgrace.

Brighton 2-0. 😀😀😀

WHEN we win something Allan it will be something that the football world hasn't experienced.

Brighton 3-0. 😀😀😀

Brilliant from Brighton, Man Utd all over the place.

Love it. Love it. Love it.

Brighton 4-0. 😀😀😀😀

I’m getting fed up updating the score!

And LOVE IT.

Humiliate the scummy bastards.

What a save.

I should add that I am not assuming guilt (if I may say so, a modern liberal fault and "victim" is a loaded term, Mike) but I do say that Rangnick should not be burying the incident in a common "human" context which is another cheap manoeuvre.

Things are complex; we live in the age of television simplicity.

Throw money at the problem and have a dysfunctional transfer strategy including bring back a golden boy past his best. Sound familiar albeit on a different scale obviously.

Danny, no idea who you are talking about……😄

Bring the more expensive version of Michael Keane on. This should sought it out.

Damage limitation, Danny.

Looks like damage limitation from Manure with Maguire on to replace Mata. They certainly appear to have big problems, that’s what they get for taking advice from blue Bill.

Edit, sorry Rob, you beat me to it

Tony "alleged" victim instead?

So we have 5 matches to play in the next 15 days, but Manure only have one more match to play?!?!?!

Maybe I need to re-assess my points total for Leeds. If Brighton can play like they have done here, particularly in the second half, then they can go to Leeds and win. Both Burnley and Leeds to finish on 34 points.

United have no more games until the final day of the season. How has it been scheduled that way?

Snap, Dennis - hadn't updated before posting. But, yes; how has that occurred?

Will, don't think they had any games postponed due to covid, plus the fact they got knocked out the fa cup early doors. Watford and palace are re-arranged games for us due to us getting to the quarter finals of the cup, and palace then beating us, when that game against them was scheduled for semi final day.

Jeez, I went out earlier to do the lawn and came back to find Burnley 3-0 down. I come back to the TV now after cutting the hedge to see United lost 4-0. What should I do tomorrow?!

Rob # 108, plus Brighton have been better away from home this season

That must be it, Rob, I guess. Could imagine a couple difference to us 'cos of what you describe - seems odd though that they are the only team to have played 37.

Brent go and cut your lawn and hedge against tomorrow and just to make sure do your neighbours too.

Were Manure not also playing in some European competition this season as well? It's a good job we didn't qualify for Europe last season!

Jay "Brent go and cut your lawn and hedge against tomorrow and just to make sure do your neighbours too."

One neighbour is a red, with a hedge cut to resemble Klopp. Might just take my wobbly shears.

Not sure without going back through it all, Dennis. Even allowing for all that it seems odd. They've played 37, two others played 36, the rest less. If those three are all on schedule then nearly the rest of the league are some way behind.

We of course, with Leicester, have the busiest run-in. Nothing easy this season!

Mike @106, I think so.The presumption of innocence is a vital safeguard. They are fools who assume that their views as to the guilt of others are correct.

It is, if I may broaden the debate, the besetting sin of the Puritan liberal-left that they assume the wrongness of those who reject their prejudices. We know what is best for you and woe betide you if you dare to disagree, that is the Credo.

Scratch the surface of any left-liberal who is defied and you will find a tyrant.

Neil (86), my grandson Sonny is taking that piece of coal tomorrow, he had been to Finch Farm today then came back to pick it up and put it in a safe pocket for it’s journey to Leicester tomorrow.

I knew Villa were winning 1-0 then I put the TV off and my IPad away and got stuck into a book, forgot I was going for a meal with my wife around 4-30pm so I left the final scores alone, knew it would have spoilt my mood and the meal if Burnley had turned it around.

Got back about a quarter of an hour ago and put the highlights on Sky and delighted to see the score, good job now that I never knew the score would have got my wife a puddin’, sorry dessert, if I’d known Burnley had lost!!

Dave #120, that’s good news, hope he enjoys the game and, along with the coal, brings us luck.

No need to be too extravagant, desserts are expensive.

Good results today, for Everton now for Everton get a result at Leicester.

Brighton look like they won’t be getting ready for the beach, so hopefully will give Leeds a game and tomorrow Arsenal to do the business.

Chelsea mid week, may be focusing on Wembley, and are in a dip by their previous form a month ago. Leeds though have injuries too, so hopefully Chelsea can do a win double this week, do Leeds and The RS.

Still it’s up to Everton to deliver the same level of performance as last Sunday.

UTFT!

Dave, a win tomorrow and is Black Forest Gateaux time.

Dave, that piece of coal is going with us tomorrow.

Today's results went well for us.

But tomorrow is about us taking ownership of our own destiny.

Come on blue boys. I will be there with you

Good luck to all travelling (Everton) blues tomorrow, and make sure the players listen to you and bring back 3 points (please). I'm going on holiday tomorrow (which yes of course i'm looking foward to) but missing 3 games :-(

Brent if you could just cut Klopps head off that would be a Bogof moment.

Get in Spurs

Yesss, come on Spurs 0-1

A little early but yesssss. Well set up too. Conte doing an italian job on the RS

Quadruple trophy looking up cheap holiday deals online...

RS are sick as a Manc right now

Mr. Klopp will be doing his Conrad Poohs impressions soon. ….Don’t forget they’ve still got their bespoke get out of jail, VAR card to play.

Yellow cards out at last for the RS

Forearm smash by Fabhino …not even mentioned or looked at, farce.

Decent of Oliver to allow one last corner. Any questions asked and the FA will intervene.

Well that was slightly good. How sad.

I don't like to crow...

Disgraceful that the RS weren't awarded their traditional penalty. Good weekend so far !!

Yay City can retake the goal difference advantage tmrw v Nocastle. See you in the morning

If we win tommorow I'll open a tin of mixed fruit and get the evap milk out.

@137

Yes you do.

😁

You know me too well, Ray!

🤣

I’m sucking an industrial strength lemon here and I still can’t get the smile off my face😁

It’s been a great weekend results wise. A positive result tomorrow should lead to a victory at Watford.

Expecting at least 5 points from the next 3 games.

Dave #140, that’s very extravagant that mate

I'm convinced some fan would take relegation and the rs won nothing.

Gotta celebrate in style Neil.

Sorry Stephen ( 51). I wouldn't have backed them at 600/1. Good luck though.

Leicester not easy at all tomorrow. Watford on paper looks decent but that home game against them... And then Brentford who are firing on all cylinders. I'm not getting carried away.

Neil, xmas day must be a ball Chez Lynch.

Brent #149, corned beef butties I reckon

Tony #119, don't give me that right-wing crapola. The political right is the midwife and cradle of human intolerance, racism and bigotry. Always has been, always will be. I have seen it firsthand.

Conservatism, the fearful opposition to change and freedom of thought, gave the world the Crusades, the Reformation, the Spanish Inquisition, the Salem witch trials, fascism, Nazism and despots and military dictators worldwide over the centuries. None of them were liberals.

In America, conservatives opposed the very establishment of the nation itself, not to mention freeing the slaves, establishing public schools, the vote for blacks and women, child labor laws, Social Security, Medicare and every environmental and civil rights law ever written.

Today the right-wing stocking of the Supreme Court is about to give primacy to the religious beliefs of one-third of Americans over the beliefs of the other two-thirds with regards to abortion, and is taking the individual rights and freedoms of women back 50 years in the process.

No liberal has ever called me Jewboy and painted swastikas on the walls of my dorm room in university. It wasn't liberals who called me un-American for not marrying a white woman. It wasn't liberals who screamed "Go back to China!" and directed insulting signs at my wife during the last election. Or spray-painted Trump's name on historic Jewish grave markers, one of them a relative, in Michigan on Election Day.

You want to broaden the debate, eh? Bring it on. I've published a half-dozen articles on this topic relating to anti-Semitism alone. And I'm always happy to share my thoughts on the subject.

No chest pumping today from widemouth - fecking arsehole.

Each to their own Paul H. I asked my red mates who constantly bombard me, would they sooner win the league or see Everton relegated? Don’t be stupid they said, we’re not like youse, but I got a few days respite after we beat Chelsea, which proved to me, that actions speak louder than words!

Mike #151, I wasn’t aware of your history (even the small part you have highlighted), full respect to you sir.

Thanks Mike @151, the sort of frothing reply I expected.

Read Elizabeth Anscombe, John Finnis, Robert George and Patrick Lee - proper philosophers - on the hideousness of abortion and why it is wrong on all counts. But you've already decided, haven't you, and thinking too hard and too rigorously about it is too painful. It's one of your sacraments.

It's the disgusting intellectual dishonesty of the Liberal Left that is so appalling.

Come back to me when you've digested the arguments as opposed to the slogans. Read the philosophers I've mentioned above. There are no comparably strong thinkers on your side.

PS Mike, have a look at the record of the British and Global Left on anti-semitism recently. It's a total disgrace.

Lest you misunderstand my position, I am very much a Socialist and I was before you came to political consciousness so I will take no lectures from you.

I distinguish your Media/College Liberalism from the authentic variety of Socialist thought which had at its heart a serious regard for the human person, as opposed to vacuous identity tosh with its condescending Bloomsbury/Californian bile.

But, hey, bring it on.

Tony, sorry you found all those facts so "frothy", but I must say I find it ironic that you accuse others of intellectual dishonesty when the only philosophers you read are Catholic adherents of Thomism who support your own beliefs about abortion. Talk about already deciding... you openly dismiss any other points of view.

The thing is, the belief that life begins at conception... and that abortion is therefore murder... is a teaching of Catholicism and evangelical Protestantism -- and no other religion on Earth shares it. You have never met, and will never meet, a Jew, a Muslim, a Buddhist, a Hindu, a Sikh or a Shinto who believes it. All religions view abortion negatively, but none call it murder. (The traditional belief in Judaism is that life begins at first breath, not conception... and abortion to save the mother's life is not only permitted but required. )

So what we see in the US is adherents of one religious belief using the government -- and in some states, legal private vigilantism -- to force members of all other religions to obey theirs. And by denying exemptions for rape and incest, warped politicians are perversely forcing 14-year-old girls to carry their rape-induced pregnancies to term, no matter what their parents and doctors believe is best for them. You used the words "hideousness" and "appalling" -- that's where they best apply in my view. And if you consider that to be an example of "a serious regard for the human person", then we have very different ideas of what constitutes humanity.

As for anti-Semitism, I know one hell of a lot more about it than you ever will, so please don't lecture me on the sources of it. Of course it exists on the far Left, but it's utterly dwarfed by the vehemence and violence of right-wing anti-Semitism. In the American Trumpy right it's a core belief that Jews are conspirators and subversives who run a worldwide cabal to subvert white people, traffic children for sex, and promote Satanism. This is not fringe today -- it's mainstream. Republicans in Congress say it at rallies. And the guy who slaughtered 11 elderly Jews at the Tree of Life Synagogue in Pittsburgh had extensively quoted those beliefs online.

Take refuge in the safe pages of your comfy philosophers if you wish. I look at the world as it is and make my judgements from that.

As I say, Mike - and I note you've been on Wikipedia - read the texts, think and shake yourself out of your liberal prejudices.

There's nothing "comfy" about Anscombe et al, as you'll discover if you can be bothered to read them which I suspect you never will.

You're intellectually idle, comfortable with your dim, liberal assumptions and terrified of anything which might challenge your prejudices. Fair enough.

Tony/Mike - wow!

I was under the impression this site was to post comments about Everton football club and not for political debate. i.e. Tony and Mike. Quite embarrassing really.

Tony...

Do you find personal insults like idle/dim/terrified/frothing to be an effective debating tactic? For one who derides condescension, you certainly seem to employ it often.

No, I have no time for sitting in an overstuffed chair reading philosophy. I've been too busy living life and drawing my own conclusions from my own experiences rather than a self-affirming book. You're outraged by intellectual dishonesty and liberal slogans. I'm outraged by violence and venomous bigotry and the vicious racial abuse directed at the person I love the most in the world.

So we differ. And if that makes me "dim" and "idle" in your view, so be it.

"Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience"

Mark Twain.

I am sure both the far right and far left of any faith, are to blame for the injustice felt on it's receiving end. The internet is a wonderful yet dreadful place to try to justify a stance..because it's a place where anonymity replaces common sense. No matter how valid the points are.

I would never argue with Mark Twain, Christine, but if the points are valid and our names are on them, are we idiots?

Thank the Lord you have made a comment Christine. Was getting a little concerned as I hadn't read anything from you for a few days and wondered if you were poorly or the tenseness of the games had affevted you. ZGlad to see I am wrong!

FWIW, I'm glad Burnley lost.

PS - Try not to scream too loud tonight Christine. I've had a bad day today healthwise, so I will have to miss the game. My turn to go to hospital tomorrow to be poked and pushed. Hope they don't keep me in - what with the season's climax nigh on us!

In fairness Ron, the Matchweek thread enables us to comment on football in general, not just Everton.

Nothing wrong with that - in fact, I find it healthy.

The politics? Why not? Again, most on here are sensible people so it is usually good discussion and debate.

Michael is a good leader of Parliament and cuts people off when they step out of line or gives a warning, as he has done to me on several occasions!!!

Mike, trying to make a point in your defense to be honest, I found getting involved in politics on here is fraught with frustrating comments made often to wind up

Bernie, good luck tomorrow, been spending a few days with family in Rotorua and Cambridge which has been good, just on the long drive back to Hawera.. what a weekend, hope it ends well,. !

Just flicking through TW seeing what I’ve missed, and somewhere between the fabulous send off they got at FF and the uplifting poem, I’ve managed to stumble upon American politics (yet again) on the best EVERTON FORUM out there. That shit isn’t on, Mike and Tony. You’re both guilty and we’re the fucking victims!

Dave Lynch - that’s proper funny! If we stay up, you’ll be cracking open the meringue nests (and yes, I did have to google how to spell ‘meringue’)

I’ve no right or ability to comment on far right/far left politics, but what I do see here is one man earnestly trying to play the ball while the other is way more interested in playing the man. That tells me something about your respective positions. Anyway… how about those Knicks?

Those Knicks are dreadful, torn between a youth movement and veterans and not doing a very good job of blending them together.

They desperately need a point guard. The Kemba experiment failed miserably and Quickley is no one guard. The sad and somewhat shambolic sight of Alec Burks trying to initiate sets and run the offense will live long in the memory.

Randle has regressed, Fournier is what he is and will they re-sign Mitch Rob or not? The Noel contract seemed excessive at the time, and almost criminally bad now.

Can only hope they do have a deal lined up with Zion as IQ, Barrett and Superman Cam are exciting prospects with a very high ceiling. But without playmaking and ball handling it's difficult to see how the Knickerbockers remain competitive in the East let alone take that next step. It's tough all over.

What's a "Knick"?

Thankyou Derek! So now I know. Can’t disagree with any of that… or agree with it if truth be known. Was beginning to wonder if you were making a cryptic analogy to the plight of the Toffees but hey, let’s not bring them into this.

Dennis, I’ll let Derek handle that one. I suspect you’ll get a better answer.

Mike @ 161, what is a left-liberal anyway and how you become one? Is it like a right-fascist but just a different persuasion?

Conservatism gave the world the Reformation AND the Inquisition. I'm trying to get my head around that one

Mike, I'll bet a few pints with you is a fun time.
I'd hate to hear you when you were serious.