Juventus looking to sign Kean this summer instead

Do we have to buy our own Vaseline to seal the deal? Maybe they should just stick to the original agreement. Having us over, twice.

This might work out better for us. The final terms are very similar once you account for the exchange rate and this way we get a chunk of the funds up front for investing in players this summer. Also removes any risk he suffers a really serious injury next season and the whole deal gets compromised in some way.

I agree, get the money in the bank and reinvest. Frank deserves the best opportunity to strengthen the squad with quality in the summer, this advance deal will help.

Put a sell on clause in the re-negotiations otherwise pluck em.

Take the money and get a sell-on clause in the deal.

Fishy this, Juve want to buy him and then sell him?
maybe PSG want him back to bolster their squad, who knows?
if we recoup our outlay though, it's bye bye and move on.

Seems a very strange request and you have to wonder, if it is the case, if Everton have asked who Juventus have had inquiries from and, if it is the case that Juve just save the second year loan fee, then where is the advantage to Everton unless we receive part of those savings.

I know we appear to be hard up but I'd have thought that agreed (guaranteed?) future income could be shown in the accounts and doesn't need to be cash at hand.

You vent us... no thanks.

There's nothing they can do to get out of it unless we bottle and agree to a silly deal; sounds like Moshiri all over.

But getting most of our cash back is what's needed and move on.

I read that Everton will look to raise £120M from player sales this summer, with the majority of it being re-invested into the team.

I guess selling Kean and Calvert-Lewin would raise around £70M. Not sure where the other £50M would come from though. I assume Mina will also go, but can't see us getting much for him with his horrendous injury history.

Obviously the wage bill should also be significantly reduced, with the number of players reaching the end of their contracts.

Reports suggest Richarlison wants to leave and Pickford will be sold to raise cash. It's the high earners the club want to sell. They will be replaced by players on lower salaries to get the club out of FFP problems it's a risky business. Moshiri has obviously run out of cash.

The problem with selling our best players is that we waste all the money we recoup on worse ones. We have a scouting department that can't tell the difference between Thierry Henry and Lenny Henry.

Ga ha ha Lenny Henry..

He must be about 6ft plus, do you think he was better at the back ( of class) or upfront?

The bigger the stage, the bigger the performance.

I would worry he'd be another sick note though, can you imagine our own physio shouting "break a leg" ?

I saw the picture at the top of the page and thought Juve, were in for Michael Keane for a minute, and actually wonder if he'd be suited to Italian football?

Clive,

I think it's more likely that Moshiri can't launder Usmanov's money anymore.

As for selling the high earners, I am all for it. Let Frank have a good kitty to have his own team.

We should keep in mind with Kean that, like Lookman, he simply doesn't want to play for Everton. (Unlike Besic, Tosun, and Niasse who clung to their contracts like life preservers.)

Why wait another season? Make the best deal and move on.

If we can carry on with current form, then I would accept keeping Pickford and Richarlison as a great summer window if we could make a couple of buys like Vitaliy Mykolenko.

Selling our two best players just sends a really bad message to everybody. It says that we're little Everton again.

Andrew, no he can't. That source of money has gone. He has investments but suspect his ready cash has gone. There are strong rumours he is desperate to sell the club.

If rumours are true, Moshri is desperate to sell. Good, and quickly hopefully...

Although he has shovelled money into the club, his footballing knowledge is zero. He really did come with a poison chalice.

Selling your best players is a recipe for disaster especially as we have poor players in "other" key positions. Get rid of the "poor" players and get their wages off the books and use those funds to reinforce while promoting and developing some of the youth players like Branthwaite, Broadhead, Dobbin, Isaac Price, Reece Welch and Ellis Simms.

Just look at Anthony Gordon as an example of what can be done but you still need your best players to help this process.

I hear Mike Ashley is looking for a club to buy. Just in time to move into the Sports Direct Arena.

Craig, please stop it. What a sickening thought.

Jay, it's the best players who are on the big wages which financially can no longer be afforded.

Jay @ 18 - love your points about need to get rid of the poor players and promote the youth.

Playing devils advocate however, I'm not so sure the “selling your best players is a recipe for disaster” statement though. Best year we ever had in premier league era was after selling Rooney, and the shite have profited well from Coutinho, Sterling, Torres, Suarez, et al.

Guess the real issue is whether you can sell at the right time, and adequately replace at a fraction of the cost.

Our track record of this is utterly shit. We still haven't really replaced Lukaku, Stones or even Gueye adequately. Can we really trust Moshiri to ignore his agents, BPB to stay out of it, and Thelwell/Frank/Clement to ID the next Jota/Neves/Traores?

If the answer is “yes” then sell. If the answer is “no” then stick and add youth as you say.

I agree with Gary. Selling your best players isn't always a recipe for disaster and a club very close to home have proven that.

It's all about your overall recruitment, replacement and youth strategy.

Torres, Suarez, Coutinho. They sold them all at profit when they were their star players. But they reinvested to gradually improve the squad. Coutinho is probably the pick of the bunch. Bought for £8M, sold for over £100M. They never missed him and have progressed since.

I hate myself using them as a example and I'm off to drink washing up liquid to cleanse my pallet.

You can sell but you need to reinvest wisely blended with a few youth players coming through. Chelsea are a current good example of that, although they've tended to sell early over the years (Lukaku, De Bruyne). Probably too early in the case of De Bruyne.

Hopefully we don't sell all the best players, that would more than likely result in a very significant impact. The team has struggled for goals this year and goal scorer's/creators don't come cheap.
I'd hate to lose Richarlison, but would not hold it against him. Gray really would have to step up to full that gap.
Selling Calvert Lewin and Pickford on top of that, might run the risk of sending all the wrong signals and once agents/clubs get wind of any desperation, the sharks will be in.
Bottom line is that Lampard and team must be able to build and have a say in what the team looks like next year.

If we sell Calvert-Lewin, I'd be surprised if Frank sold Kean too. He might want to see him for himself first. If not, Simms to start up front with Rondon next season.

If Calvert-Lewin or Richarlison goes and Leeds go down, take Patrick Bamford. Simms would need a year on the bench to bed in to top-flight football.

Kalvin Phillips would be nice for a No 6 too.

We are likely to sell Kean, Mina, Richarlison and possibly Calvert-Lewin this summer. Kean doesn't want to play for Everton and the existing Juve deal means he doesn't ever need to.

We won't be able to reinvest all the sale proceeds.

We can't buy players like Phillips (cost and he'll have much better options) from Leeds and shouldn't buy players like Bamford (age, injury record, cost and lack of resale value – something that has absolutely killed us).

Sounds bleak, but I'm optimistic the new (apparently professional) DoF and Lampard will do okay. Good players don't need to cost a fortune – you just have to let them develop and acclimatise.

I don't quite understand this talk of buying players. Isn't any money received from selling players earmarked for repaying the debt to FFP?

Just been reading that Everton would accept around 50mill for Richarlison ? How the fk is he only worth that much ? We paid 40 to 45 for him ?
Drives me daft how our best players are worth fk all but R/S get best price for anyone ?

Bernie I believe any money from sales goes immediately to ffp but any money spent gets spread along the length of the contract. I could be wrong. So in essence if we sell richi for £50 mill the lot goes towards ffp. If we buy a player for £50 mill on a 5 year contract it counts as £10 mill a year for the next 5 years

Craig/Bernie
I don't think any of the money goes to FFP unless they have some kind of agreement with EPL, it just balances the books
If we run less than 105M loss next year FFP is not an issue, although not healthy to making year on year losses of the size we have been.
Player salary savings are about 16m for players coming off contract and loans ending. Gyf, Kean, Tosun, Kenny, Begovic, VDB, Ghazi, Delph
If we can move on Mina and Gomes (don't laugh) there's another 12m pa in savings
Selling DCL and or Richi would also save another 8m in addition to sale values
Potentially 36m savings in year on year wages and transfer fees around 90m would see a decent financial reset and give Lampard something to work with

Thanks Craig and Nartin - still sounds a bit Irish to me but if it means that Frank can start rebuilding the Team, then I'm happy.

Frank likes youth so I expect Simms and Warrington to get a look in, Branthwaite looks good and don't forget Patterson is coming back. If we can pick up other young talent like Godfrey and keep our best players then we can avoid big spends. The MK cash will be welcome a year before we'd have got more. With loads of contracts ending we should be well set alongside the better TV cash. Just hope Moshiri's big club dreams don't wreck us again!

Can we persuade Jim Ratcliffe to buy us? He has £4bn to buy Chelsea and he won't have to work out where to put a new stadium.

And Ineos as a shirt sponsor will tie in with the local factories.

Phil - never say never but I think the London thing, "Big Six" status and attendant potential revenue may have had a large bearing.

Jim Ratcliffe is a Mancunian long domiciled in the south east. According to an interview he gave to the BBC last week, he has split allegiance to Manure and Chelsea.

INEOS already owns OGC Nice so if he remains interested in buying into the PL, ensuring that at least one major club is British owned, we are the obvious option.

Fingers crossed.

He also owns a lot of the manufacturing around this area having bought a number of the old ICI chemical companies.