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Sean Dyche has once again called on his players to "change the story" that has them stuck in a cycle of uneven performances, frustrating home defeats and an inability to overcome the gravity that’s pulled them towards the bottom of the Premier League for the past two years.

The Blues seemed to be turning a corner when they beat Brentford handsomely in the Premier League nine days ago and then knocked Aston Villa out of the Carabao Cup with a fine display on the ground where they had suffered a horrible 4-0 reverse just five weeks earlier.

However, despite dominating the early stages of last Saturday’s home game against hitherto winless Luton Town and out-shooting the Hatters by 23 to nine on the day, Everton ended up losing 2-1, their seventh loss at Goodison Park in eight games.

Dyche made reference to the fact that, just as against Fulham on the opening day, his side had a vastly superior xG to their opponents but still ended up on the losing side.

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But in comments on evertonfc.com today in reflection on the Luton game, he stressed that statistics don’t win football matches and he described the forthcoming home fixture against Bournemouth as another opportunity to change the narrative of the team’s season.

"Stats don't win games, the scoreline is what is key," he stated. "Working in both boxes, it can't just be one box, we have to work in both. That's the bit I have been challenging players with constantly since I got here.

"The biggest frustration for me is we started so strongly against Brentford with a great result, then another one on Wednesday against Aston Villa. This was a great opportunity to step on and play with the shoulders back and confidence.

"The crowd were amazing. The crowd were waiting, they are going, 'Go on then lads.' But then we just go a bit flat, a bit toothless, what's that all about? It drives me mad, to be perfectly honest. But Bournemouth is another opportunity to change the story.

"It feels like it's been one step forward, two steps back," Dyche continued. "Rather than two steps forward one back, which you'd sometimes take. We have to do more than that.

"That's on us to change the story. I can't reiterate it enough, because it needs it. This story has been here for two years, and I have mentioned it consistently. We have a chance to change it.

"We're back at Goodison on Saturday. We want to be playing there, giving the fans goals and wins. That's what we have to change."


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Neil Cremin
1 Posted 03/10/2023 at 22:54:30
Up until now, I have been neutral on Sean Dyche; however, I am extremely disappointed with these comments because such comments signify to me that he has no vision on what he wants to achieve with this bunch of players. It seems to me that, in each game, he is hoping to find the magic combination of players that will click.

Management is about assessing your resources, devising a plan to get the best out of those resources, and providing the leadership and direction to implement that plan. The fact that he is “driven mad” means he has not communicated his plan effectively.

I once heard a very successful coach outline the management's post-match analysis: if a player gave away possession in a crucial area of the pitch, then the analysis focused on “what information did the management team did give the player to make the correct decision?” Dyche should be taking similar responsibility.

Barry Hesketh
2 Posted 03/10/2023 at 23:15:59
You can't change the story of the last 2 years if you keep adding new chapters to it. How about forgetting about what happened the last 2 years and concentrate on the next game as a standalone fixture? The players are now carrying the burden of the 'story' when there's no need for them to do so.

Some of the players weren't even playing for the club 2 years ago, so why should they have the recent past thrown at them?

What happened to "We win as a team, we lose as a 'team" – which includes everybody who takes part in a game, including the management team?

Alex Gray
3 Posted 03/10/2023 at 23:17:07
Reality is after Saturday we've played 6 out of the current bottom 8 with only Burnley and ourselves being the teams we've not played against. We beat Brentford and drew against Sheffield United, losing against Wolves, Luton, and Fulham; we'll see what happens with Bournemouth.

If we lose against Bournemouth, he has to go. You can't lose five home games on the trot with only one of them being a good team in Arsenal. The only worry around it is that a replacement should already be lined up and ready to go but we all know we're rudderless at the minute.

It's been nearly 12 months and you have to ask have we improved more than under Lampard? Yes, we create more chances but we lose more games. Taking away the xG, chances created and stats, briefly the main one is that we're still losing against the weakest teams in the league.

Fixtures are about to get a lot harder after this game.

Barry Rathbone
4 Posted 03/10/2023 at 23:21:47
The squad we have screams inconsistency; results like Luton are representative of the fact.

We have to take it on the chin because there's nothing the club can do resultant of the Moshiri financial madness. The only hope is 3 teams over the season turn out worse than us.

Fans won't have it, of course, meaning Dyche is now a dead man walking unless he turns it around tout suite.

Paul Kossoff
5 Posted 03/10/2023 at 23:30:50
Dyche, chutzpah, amounts to a total denial of personal responsibility, that's Dyche all over. Not responsible, not my fault.

So arrogant he would ask the owner, whoever that may be, for a rise after getting beat by Bournemouth next week.

I don't like him; never have and never will.

Barry Hesketh
6 Posted 03/10/2023 at 23:31:24
I realise that we all know that the last few years have been pretty poor, if not downright embarrassing, on home turf, but this extract from a piece in the Echo, shows how bad it's been.

While it's also been pointed out that the 52-year-old [Dyche] has lost more home games than Mike Walker.

A quick examination of their respective Goodison Park records in charge of Everton shows that Dyche has in fact bean(sic) beaten in twice as many matches there than Walker (eight to four) despite being in charge for fewer games (13 to 16).

Indeed, the much-maligned former Norwich City manager who guided the Blues through their first final day escape from relegation in 1994 and was sacked when his team was bottom of the table, actually finished his short spell in charge with more home wins (five) than defeats and a better record at Goodison than either Frank Lampard or Rafael Benitez as well.

Paul Kossoff
7 Posted 03/10/2023 at 23:46:12
Barry 2,

Do you think if we had brought Emery in we would be better off? I think we would.

Knowing our luck. Kenwright would have brought Dick Emery in… now he would have been awful.

Barry Hesketh
8 Posted 03/10/2023 at 23:50:57
At least Dick Emery would have put an occasional smile on our faces, Paul. The real Emery wouldn't have taken Everton on but, if the results don't improve and soon, we will be looking for a new boss.

But who would come? Carsley maybe, but that might not be something he would want to take on, just yet. Baines and Coleman, perhaps.

What's certainly true is we're not going to be attractive to any experienced, ambitious manager such as the former Wolves boss or Potter.

Paul Kossoff
9 Posted 04/10/2023 at 00:05:34
Barry, times are bad when I'm waking up at 6 am and first thing on my mind is, "Shit, we've got Bournemouth at home on Saturday".

Now where is my Dick Emery best of DVD? 🙄

David Currie
10 Posted 04/10/2023 at 01:14:32
It has been a terrible start to the season: Fulham, Wolves and Luton – all defeats at home. We can't even get a draw against them and scored only one goal. We have no clean sheets this season, not even against Doncaster!

We are in big trouble and will be in another relegation battle this season. Difficult to stay up with our current home record which I think is 7 defeats in the last 8 games.

Christine Foster
11 Posted 04/10/2023 at 02:00:11
If Dyche doesn't know why we are so inconsistent, then he should not be the manager. Everything may look fine on paper but the truth of the matter is what you do on the pitch and who is responsible for what.

Identify the failings and those responsible. Change. If it cannot be rectified by the player then a change of player is required.

Performing okay for one match in three is not acceptable as a player or a manager. I don't care if it drives him mad, I care that he is unable to fix it or identify the problem. If he cannot do it we need someone who can.

Alan J Thompson
12 Posted 04/10/2023 at 03:35:33
Right, get the players to change the story by separately naming their preferred side and tactics and go with the majority.

Sounds daft but the Manager seems to be saying he doesn't know what he can do about it but doesn't seem to want to give up without the compensation package, which begs the question of what good is he.

John Keating
13 Posted 04/10/2023 at 05:05:34
The saddest part about Saturday was not the actual defeat itself but the acceptance of the result by the supporters. Coming out of the ground and in the pubs after, there was no anger. Disappointment, yes, but more an air of “wonder what's for tea tonight”.

If we don't beat Bournemouth on Saturday, then the players will be responsible for another manager getting the heave. Dyche will have to go. We can blame the managers for lots of things but basic errors and incompetence are down to the players on the pitch.

Jim Bennings
14 Posted 04/10/2023 at 06:19:01
John 13,

That's because the bar has been set so low now by the fans.

Also why I can't get my head around this "the players can't play at a toxic Goodison".

Goodison hasn't been toxic once this season, it's been deathly quiet but toxic, no way.

If players can't get on the front foot at home to the likes of Luton, then they have got serious problems and so too in that Dyche because he's the one setting the side up.

Lester Yip
15 Posted 04/10/2023 at 07:22:54
I think the stats reflect Dyche has improved the team, it works. The players have to convert those goals. They are professionals. They have to shoulder some responsibilities.

I can't imagine Dyche still spending time to coach a player how to strike a ball cleanly. The one thing that Dyche needs to do is to get the players on the bench ready though. Ready to change if performance is not good enough, as Keane lost his place when not playing well.

Colin Glassar
16 Posted 04/10/2023 at 07:35:23
He sounds like a scratched record - literally. Another Moshiri flop by the looks of it.

Didn't want him. Don't want him. But we are stuck with him. C'est la vie.

Dave Cashen
17 Posted 04/10/2023 at 07:43:00
We can't keep blaming the players. Many of those who were blamed last season and the season before are no longer here.

The backroom staff who were often blamed for poor performances are gone too. We've tried every type of manager, they've all had brief success in the occasional match but, due to lack of quality in the dressing room, they all ended up resorting to uninspiring, unimaginative, safety-first football.

Inconsistent??? We are the most consistent and predictable team in football. Managers, coaches, DOFs, players and even boardroom staff have all come and gone, but we are still the fourth-worst team in the Premier League. Everyone's favourites to be in a relegation scrap and everyone's favourites to escape by the skin of our teeth.

We can all point to the one who has remained while everyone else has been sacked, allowed to leave, or ran screaming out of the door, but even he is now hanging on by his fingertips.

Are we cursed? Or are Bill Kenwright's fingertips the real reason we remain so remarkably consistent? Only one way to find out. He won't leave, so make him go. Then start again.

Once I'd escorted Kenwright to the exit door, I would come back for Dyche. For years, this football club has been relentless in its pursuit of the mediocre. The league's most unappealing team season after season. How dare he try to tell long-suffering Evertonians that our problem is "inconsistency".

I just hope playing in a spectacular stadium on the river will alter the entire mindset of the club. Goodison will hold memories many of us will take to our graves but, by today's standards, it's a complete dump. It's only saving grace is its wonderful inhabitants.

Tony Abrahams
18 Posted 04/10/2023 at 08:20:53
He's publicly challenging his players to do better (not favoured by everyone) but, as I said the other day, our team has lacked consistency for years.

I personally believe it comes down to two things: character and ability. There is enough ability in the squad to get Everton to around mid-table, then it's that other massive aspect, character, that needs to be worked on, imo.

I think the last few managers have questioned the players' character, but maybe it runs much further inside our deeply nepotistic fabric?

I can't comment on Saturday because I never went but I don't see nothing wrong with Dyche's words, and hope that the players respond accordingly. I genuinely think Yo-Yo Everton will win their next two fixtures; we will see…

Duncan McDine
19 Posted 04/10/2023 at 08:24:40
Quick question to anyone that thinks he should be sacked following home defeat to Bournemouth:-

How many managers (let alone available ones) could create a winning team with the current squad and general environment around Everton?

Kunal Desai
20 Posted 04/10/2023 at 08:26:49
Dinosaur of a manager but at least a dinosaur who I thought would keep us tight and mean at the back. That clearly hasn't worked.

For me, Dyche bumbles along until the takeover is finalised, possibly January or maybe even until the end of the season.

The objective of this season as has been the same as last two seasons and that is to finish 17th. Finish above the three promoted teams and perhaps our visitors this weekend and its mission accomplished. We need to finish top or second in the mini league of our own.

Tony Everan
21 Posted 04/10/2023 at 08:27:24
Dyche is too conservative at home, the onus should be on attack and breaking down teams like Luton. If we play KITAP1 against most teams it's a roll of the dice. It presents a tight game and either team grabs the goal or a winner form a set piece. There are many times that set up is justified, but not home against Luton.

What a squandered opportunity to build more confidence and momentum after the two encouraging wins.

Seven home defeats out of eight is unacceptable. The KITAP1 at home against Luton was poor managerial decision making. Playing our best midfielder out wide, putting out a team with no attacking width with Harrison and Danjuma on the bench, playing 39-year-old Young instead of the energetic and attack minded Patterson. All deeply conservative and negative decisions for a home game against Luton.

The hoof ball tactics for the last 30 minutes was ineffective and it's quite disconcerting that it seemed to have not been tactically thought out. Players were getting in each others way. It looked a disorganised mess that lowly Luton dealt with quite easily.

Yes, the players have to step up to the plate and be better, but so has the manager. The wins against Brentford and Villa are buying him time, but he needs a win on Saturday, a huge game for Everton and also Sean Dyche if he wants to keep fans onside.

Danny Baily
22 Posted 04/10/2023 at 08:30:16
Finishing top of this mini league almost sounds achievable. 9 or 10 wins sounds less achievable.
Jerome Shields
23 Posted 04/10/2023 at 08:35:05
I understand the concerns about the defeat against Luton and the potential tactical and selection failures. It seems that the poor preparation for set pieces and the ineffective midfield / attack were contributing factors to the loss.

In terms of changing the narrative, it's essential for players and the coaching staff to analyze their performance, identify areas for improvement, and work together to address any weaknesses. This could involve adjustments in training, tactical tweaks, or changes in personnel. Ultimately, it's a collaborative effort to find the right components and strategies that can help the team succeed.

Yes Sean, you cannot just blame the players.

Mark Ryan
24 Posted 04/10/2023 at 08:35:06
At least the manager is consistent. It's never his fault.

"We did well in the first few games blah blah, he's on the grass, in transition blah blah."

Yeah, it's all down to the players being inconsistent. It's currently down to him to change that but guess what. They won't because he simply has no other way.

One-trick pony. Dyche out

Eddie Dunn
25 Posted 04/10/2023 at 08:36:23
This, sadly is Dyche trying to blame his players.

His bollocks about the crowd being amazing is an attempt to get the fans on his side. On Saturday (I wasn't there) from most accounts and from what I could hear on my laptop, the crowd were fairly quiet. Indeed, the crowd are often quiet, waiting for a spark, a big tackle, a good pass, a shot.

He had an opportunity to send out a balaced, team, even an unchanged team with confidence to go out and destroy lowly Luton. Instead, he gave them too much respect and we rapidly lost momentum.

Never mind the nonesense that is xG. As for all of the "chances", most of them were half-chances. Their keeper was never troubled.

If we manage to lose to Bournemouth, he has to go.

Denver Daniels
26 Posted 04/10/2023 at 08:43:48
Can't say I'm bothered by him criticising the players. If we didn't create any chances, like under Lampard, I'd be calling for his head, but we've created plenty.

He can't score the goals for the players. They are useless at converting chances. How come Fulham, Wolves and Luton only needed 1 or 2 chances to score?

Bill Fairfield
27 Posted 04/10/2023 at 08:54:53
So the rumblings of sacking yet another manager have began.

How many more managers will this inconsistent squad sack. Definitely the next one I’ll bet.

Danny O’Neill
28 Posted 04/10/2023 at 08:58:31
I thought along those lines as well Eddie having read the interview.

Likewise with your sentiment, Jerome.

Paul Cherrington
29 Posted 04/10/2023 at 09:03:01
I understand where some fans are coming from in terms of Dyche carrying the can as manager and being responsible for tactics, team selection and preparation for games. They are all valid points without doubt.

I think we have to be fair to him as well, though and accept that he cannot control what players do when they cross the white line and are in the thick of the action. If someone misses a decent chance to score (or multiples ones in lots of our recent games), there's not much he can do about it.

I can't imagine him saying to Gana or Onana for example that, if a chance comes to shoot in the next game, they should aim for Row Z rather than the goal.

Same if someone switches off at a free kick or corner to let the opposition in. This might be despite him drilling the players all week on how to defend these situations or focusing on shooting and converting chances in training.

I also think that the idea of Dyche being overly defensive in how the team play is not quite true. If you look at the shots we had at the weekend and the chances we created, this seems to suggest the opposite. As did the recent wins and indeed most of the other matches we have played well in and had lots of attempts on goal in this season.

IMO, our problem is something the manager has spoken about previously fairly often – being clinical with our chances. If we had only scored a quarter of the shots we had on goal at the weekend for example, we would have won handsomely.

I know he is the person who needs to resolve this but I am pretty sure that is being worked on at the training ground each day. The problem he has is when the players do not take what they do in training into a match and/or mess it up when a chance to score arrives.

I think it was Allardyce who spoke to the press during his time here about not telling the players to misplace passes when asked. We are still in the same siuation now basically and it really comes down to quality of player in the squad. Unfortunately, we have no money to do much about that right now.

Barry Hesketh
30 Posted 04/10/2023 at 09:09:35
Criticising the players is fine and dandy, if they've had a complete mare, but what confused me and many other Blues around me on Saturday, was why did the manager make the changes to the shape of the side, that he made at half-time?

The first 20 and possibly the last 10 minutes had shown that the team on the park was capable of creating reasonable chances.

Perhaps, Gueye was carrying an injury and it was an enforced change, but having two big lads up top facing two or even three big lads at the back didn't really work as well as what we'd seen in the first half.

The second-half was a completely different affair, as the changes made, played to Luton's strengths, and although there were a few chances created, namely those headed chances that fell to Beto, the feel of the game was totally different to what we'd witnessed in the first period.

Let's see what transpires on Saturday, and that's the issue, we're never really sure what side or what tactics the manager will employ, will he select a team that plays to our strengths or the strengths of the opponents.

Sean O’Hanlon
31 Posted 04/10/2023 at 09:11:45
Incredible reflections by Sean Dyche. He is basically admitting he's lost the plot and has no answers to the inconsistency of the team's performances.

Why do the players make basic errors like bad passing, inability to put away easy chances, missing tackles, failure to mark opposition etc? Is it because the players are not good enough? Do some players need help from psychoanalysts? Or is it down to the manager?

It's a combination of all 3, but it's the manager who has to address the first 2 reasons. His revelations clearly show he does not have the ability to do this, and to top it all, he is totally unaware that he is failing to correct these issues.

And in my opinion, he should be sacked now, and not wait for a negative result against Bournemouth. The club should be proactive, and not reactive.

Alan McGuffog
32 Posted 04/10/2023 at 09:26:54
So... a taxi for Dyche. Yet another who can't get a tune out of this bunch of fraudsters.

Be careful though... we may be heading into Steve Bruce territory!

Jerome Shields
33 Posted 04/10/2023 at 09:56:09
Tony #18

'Our deeply nepotistic fabric'

I think everyone knows by now that I am not a fan of the rest and recovery regime at Everton and the cosiness it has fostered. I think the extra midweek match exposed it.

After two results, there seems to be a pat on the back and a wee rest at Finch Farm. Maybe that is what Dyche is attacking, but he did make mistakes in that Luton game.

Kim Vivian
34 Posted 04/10/2023 at 09:58:53
I was feeling pretty relaxed before the Luton match following on from Brentford and to a lesser extent Villa (which was probably anomalous as Villa demonstrated on Saturday) but Bournemouth on Saturday is anyone's guess. Not really looking forward to it and I'm fearing a reversal of the season saving result in May. Praying to be so, so wrong on that.

As for Dyche – if we do do lose who is going to make the decision to sack or keep right now? I see no way he's going just yet whatever the result and no potential replacement with their full sanity who would come here. So we're stuck with him – for better or worse – at least for a few more weeks as I see it.

It's a pivotal weekend this with the fixture run coming up to the New Year.

Conor McCourt
35 Posted 04/10/2023 at 10:01:15
Do you know what drives me mad... Dyche consistently bleating about changing the story.

The hypocrisy of it all is that this guy preaches endlessly about mentality and positivity re-enforcing how good the players are, yet he continually harps on about how there has been a cloud over the club the last 2 years. A clear juxtaposition. Focus on the here and now, not the past.

In addition, he talks about freedom for the players then puts them in a straight jacket with his conservative tactics and harps on about it's a game of both boxes so what happens in between is almost irrelevant. That's why we went route one the other day, bypassing the irrelevant areas.

What is also annoying me which others have touched upon is his lack of accountability. I've noticed that Sean is beginning to 'change his story'.

In a respectful way, Dyche was always having a pop at the Lampard regime in terms of fitness, organisation and soft belly. He was justified but a little arrogant in how he would rectify these deficiencies.

Now Dyche seems to be a lot more empathetic with his predecessors after that disaster and almost puts everything on the club over the last 2 years, the culture and now the players. Almost a shift from 'I'll sort this mess out which I've inherited from these wallies' to a 'I've inherited a mess and it will take time to fix as others before me have likewise struggled.'

Another worrying aspect is his analysis of that game, like he's conning us by throwing it in with the Wolves and Fulham games where we played well. Or even more alarming is that he didn't realise the mistakes he made and how woeful that performance was.

Referring to chances created and the xG after being schooled by Luton is just embarrassing. If you don't recognise the failings, you can't rectify them.

Sean – do us all a favour and change the fucking story.

Brian Harrison
36 Posted 04/10/2023 at 10:03:11
Barry @30,

I agree and said something similar in a post the other day, the team created some very good chances in the 1st half and, when they got a goal back, there looked to be only one winner.

But, for some unexplainable reason, he did what he hasn't done since he arrived and that was make a tactical substitution at half time. The change didn't work, we created very little in the 2nd half and in the end resorted to route one for every attack.

Why he didn't let the team that was well on top after Luton's goals start the 2nd half was puzzling and, if I would have made the change to get Garner in the middle of the park, I would have probably brought Keane on for Young and gone to a back 3.

Jim Lloyd
37 Posted 04/10/2023 at 10:14:25
I've just re-run the 3 home games, highlights. In each one we should have comfortably won before losing the plot (our discipline.) and allowed the opposition to score comparatively easy goals.

Looking at our defence/midfield when the opposition attacked, we looked a bit of a shambles. Each game there were goals scored when the scorer was un opposed.

I looked at one goal against Luton and there were 6 Everton men, in the box, marking no one. A man run in from the right and popped the ball in. Mykolenko was left behind and no-one else on the left to came out and meet him. Our full back was on the line and smacked it against the onrushing forward...goal. Unlucky? maybe, but he's a professional and should have the nous to tap it anywhere but straight out.

The Fulham game? We ought to have scored at least a couple from the number of chances we made in the first 20 minutes.

Their Goal? The midfield were bypassed by their attack on the right, the left back was nowhere to be seen, Tarkowski went over to challenge their forward with the ball, on our left wing. As did Keane! (why?) the ball was passed to one of their front men (unopposed). Patterson went over to the left side of the box, to challenge him (no other Blue anywhere near) and the forward passed it over to the left. His oppo was unmarked, with Garner desperately trying to catch him (no luck) and the forward had an open goal with Pickford trying to get back and cover the shot (failed).

So each game we had loads of chances; and a mixture hard luck, but others were a case of players trying to score on their own; rather making a move count and passing to a better placed comrade.

In my view, we are not going to be able to replace a manager

a) because we're right in the middle of a takeover and an enquiry and I can't see even our trainwreck of a club, taking such a financial and managerial gamble, when who knows what we could be facing, from relegation, to points dropped, or to a sanction on recruitment!

So, in my view, looking from the Upper Bullens, we have a disjointed squad, with a fair number of good experienced players, but not quite enough to make a good combination of players in a team. I'd go right through the squad, but I'll just go through a few, where I think we have weaknesses.

First of all, the Goalkeeper. Yes, he makes wonder saves, that people say have kept us in the game or in the premiership: maybe. Well, my view is that has contributed to us losing as many games, if not more, than he's saved for us. I think his major weakness is that he doesn't command the goal area, so our defence do what they can do to protect him, rather than concentrate their own jobs.

I can remember Big Nev, and before him, Westy, who both come out to get the ball from a cross or a pass. I don't think I can remember Pickford come out to catch the ball, more than a yard from his line. He also flaps at the ball. In fact, I thought that each of the three goalkeepers who we faced in the three games so far, would do for us. They come out, catch the ball or get a foul from the opposition.

For the postion we're in we need a good goalie, who's competent at all aspects of keeping, not a brilliant shot stopper. So I'd like to see him sold for a lot of money and bring in someone whos competent, not brilliant.

Patterson and Mykolenlo. Young players, get caught out but I can remember Seamus not being trusted as a full back, until Moyesie trusted him to take the number 2 shirt. They've brought Young in, to either replace or as back to Mykolenko. Both have weaknesses. Keane? Well! Has some strengths but more weaknesses.

For me, Doucouré, can score some cracking goals, but tends to lose the ball quite often putting us under pressure. He also tried to walk the ball in against Fulham when he had an unmarked team mate either side of him, 10 yards from an open goal.

Doucouré and Gana, in my view are both very slow in either getting back to help defence or going forward to support the attack and are a weakness together.

These to me are the major problems we have currently but also the chopping and changing that have affected the team for years, by injuries, sales and recruitment have not lead to us having a settled team.

I can rememeber Bill Shankly telling a reporter who asked him, What's the team today Bill? "Same as last season!" was the reply"

So? I think the question of bringing in another manager will have to wait until January, if at all.

We've got some decent additions to the 1st team squad now, mainly midfield/attacking players, which is what we need. They haven't had much time to gel in and I don't know if we can bring anyone in, in January, or if we'll have to sell, in January.

I think we'll have to just carry on with the same staff, players and management. Unless we sell Pickford to help us buy players we need and bring in a steady, competent goalkeeper in his place. We don't need a flawed genius, in my view.

Roll on Saturday!

Dave Abrahams
38 Posted 04/10/2023 at 10:15:34
Well, on Saturday, Everton went on the front foot and created some decent chances that weren't converted. Luton looked like the very poor team they are in those 20 minutes.

Then they scored after their third attempt at the same move from three consecutive corners without any change in stance from the defence and Young failing very badly to kick the ball clear. Then Luton scored again from a set-piece with more diabolical defending from the defenders.

We then went pieces for the next few minutes before we started attacking again, getting a goal back and looking like we were back in the game and at half time I was confident we would win this game.

Then came the half time change which wasn't to my liking but changed the whole way the team was attacking, we just never looked like scoring or even creating chances, except for the one that should have definitely finished in the back of the net but went tamely over the bar, you all know the move!

The players started very well, lost the plot for a few minutes after those two cock ups then reclaimed the game only for the fuck up at half time with the wrong change,followed by two or three changes that changed nothing on the field.

So, Sean Dyche, sit the players down with yourself and coaches and have a good fuckin' chat about what happened. Can you all change the atmosphere among you and decide how you are going to try and sort it out?

A quick tip, Sean, don't take all them all for a meal to have the talk, we know what happened last time that happened. Mind you there doesn't seem to be any bleedin' fight in most of this squad!

Matt Hayhurst
39 Posted 04/10/2023 at 10:20:17
I don't want to hear 'change the story' again (it's getting as annoying as Phenomenal!).

I don't want to hear anything about 'xG' again.

Just win on Saturday, please.

Jim Bennings
40 Posted 04/10/2023 at 10:50:28
xG… what the hell is that?

Just put the ball in the bloody onion bag, that's the name of the game.

Under Walter Smith, first season, we couldn't score a goal for toffee (pardon the pun) for the first 6 months of that season, could we? As soon as he puts two strikers up there in Campbell and Jeffers, we can't stop the goals from flowing.

It may be a different era but the fact is we couldn't score goals that season either until the gaffer decided to start being far braver and bolder.

It's not rocket science for Dyche surely, he's been in the game for long enough.

Put at least one midfielder in that central area that can actually pass a football and create or score (Harrison) and McNeil and Danjuma out wide and start working in training with Dom and Beto partnering eachother.

We do not need Doucoure, Gana and Onana in home games against bloody Luton and Bournemouth, man!

Be brave or die by your own sword.

Clive Rogers
41 Posted 04/10/2023 at 10:52:23
With the benefit of hindsight, it wasn't a good idea to sign two centre-forwards, neither of whom can play off Calvert-Lewin.

Beto looks too similar and Chermiti may be also and looks a couple of seasons away from Premier League standard.

Bill Fairfield
42 Posted 04/10/2023 at 10:54:55
The truth is our players are simply not good enough.

Yes, they play a decent game now and then. But they've proved over and over again that they're mentally fragile. Tough task for any manager. Best of luck to him.

Jim Bennings
43 Posted 04/10/2023 at 10:57:10
Under Lampard, I was willing for a time to allow much of the tactical ineptitude to pass due to him being very much a managerial novice at Premier League level.

Sean Dyche, however, has been around the block years as a manager, wasn't he quoted at one stage as hot favourite for the job when Sam Allardyce got the gig?

I don't expect such naivety and carelessness.

Mal van Schaick
44 Posted 04/10/2023 at 11:00:54
You are the manager. You have the power and responsibility to ‘ change the story ‘ and therefore footballing matters on and off the pitch are in your hands.

Consistency in performance is the key in order to obtain better results, the rest of it, setting up the team, team selection and encouraging or inspiring the players to perform on the pitch and get results is down to the manager. End of story.

Steve Byles
45 Posted 04/10/2023 at 11:21:40
My fear is if we lose to Bournemouth, we have wasted a relatively easy start to the season.

Failure to get points on the board puts more pressure on this fragile side, who now have to over-perform against the better sides to even achieve safety.

Add to this a cricket score defeat at the derby, we are looking like relegation certainties. Are there really 3 worse teams than us?

Roger Helm
46 Posted 04/10/2023 at 11:24:42
No good blaming the manager in my opinion. We have had lots of managers in the last few years and none have been a success, other than Ancelotti, who left early.

The managers, of varying styles and personalities, have not been bad managers in that they have performed reasonably well elsewhere, but at Everton, for some reason, nothing seems to work out. Same with the players, who are good when they arrive and then, for some reason, go backwards.

Until we get a new board, hopefully a new broom with the new owners, and somehow get the club sorted out, I can't see any new managers or players succeeding.

Sean Mitchell
47 Posted 04/10/2023 at 11:40:42
How about starting with a proper line-up?

Drop the useless Onana and keep Garner in midfield as he's the only one who can make things happen. He'd do a lot more than Onana.

The goalie Onana does more… and he's a goalie, for fuck's sake.

Barry Rathbone
48 Posted 04/10/2023 at 11:46:10
Someone said we can't keep blaming the players because the personnel have changed but the issue is we keep recruiting from a department store that specializes in low-level mediocrity. Real change at Goodison Park is an optical illusion.

I keep saying it but, unless Dyche does something remarkable, the usual script will play out and he will go the same way as his predecessors. No idea what it is though.

Denis Richardson
49 Posted 04/10/2023 at 11:50:34
Results have been bad, yes, but we didn't even have a striker for the first 3 games, so the Fulham and Wolves results are a bit hard to pin fully on the manager. Arsenal was as expected. The Luton result is the first proper bad home result of the season for me.

Not making excuses for Dyche, his team set-up is questionable with Garner out wide to start with. However, truth is we had at least 4 clear-cut chances against Luton that we didn't take. We switched off for two-set pieces and got punished. Not sure that's the manager's fault – unless the zonal marking is the issue.

Not keeping a clean sheet is a worry but we're making chances, which is something. You have to believe one of these home games the players will finally take a few of them.

On the defence, that is something that's more worrying. We play many defensive players and yet cannot keep a clean sheet. One of Gueye, Onana or Doucoure needs to start on the bench to allow Garner to start in the centre.

We have the players for a 4-3-3 or 4-5-1 with Harrison, McNeil and Danjuma on the wings as wide forwards. Then Garner and two of Doucoure, Geuye or Onana in midfield. However, Dyche seems to have to try and start all three every match for some reason.

One full season in and I'm still not sure what Onana is supposed to be tbh. Maybe he plays under different instructions with Belgium. With us, he can tackle but that's about it. I really can't see what all the hype is about.

Attacking he doesn't offer much, you'd think he'd be a threat in the air but he isn't and he's not the best passer either. I'd expect more than someone who can just tackle for all the hype. £33M we paid.

Either way, re Dyche, let's wait until Bournemouth and see what happens. He's barely been with us half a season. I realise many didn't want him to begin with so imagine most of those calling for his head would have done so regardless. I've not been impressed but think it's too soon to pull the trigger. The players need to take some responsibility too. Especially the defence.

Still very early in the season so a win this weekend will change things markedly. Man Utd lost at home to Palace, Man City lost away to Wolves. Not just us losing matches that, on paper, we should not be losing. Tough times both on and off the pitch. We can only take things one game at a time.

If Dyche is ousted, I'm not even sure who'd be responsible for choosing a new manager. Certainly not the current owners and I'd imagine 777 and MSP would want a say. Which would potentially get messy and presumably put off a load of candidates.

Who would genuinely want the role with so many off-field issues to resolve? Certainly not a decent, experienced candidate. Even if we wanted to change we'd need to wait until the result of the independent commission is known, plus potential penalty. Then there's the sales process. Anyone coming in would want to ensure the new owners sign off so they're not sacked immediately after the sale.

Let's just hope we get the 3 points this Saturday. The rest of the club is in such a mess, it takes up too much grey matter thinking about it.

Jim Lloyd
50 Posted 04/10/2023 at 12:41:24
We haven't got a clue what's going to happen to the club this month, nor have we got a much better idea of how the takeover will work out! Nor do we know who, if anyone, is responsible to pick a new manager. I'm not sure I'd want Moshiri (with Kenwright's expert advice!) to pick a manager, so I think we've got our manager, and that's highly unlikely to change this year.

We ought to have won 3 out of the 4 games at home this season, but I don't think we've had a settled defence since Moyes was here. On top of that, we've got a mixed-up midfield and, for a major portion of the last three seasons, we haven't had a goalscorer.

At least we have some newer elements which might help us to score more goals but we're still suckers for letting goals in.

Andrew McLawrence
51 Posted 04/10/2023 at 12:51:48
Keep knocking the snowflake players and sooner or later they will melt!
Barry Hesketh
52 Posted 04/10/2023 at 12:58:06
In only one game at Goodison has a Dyche team conceded and taken a point from it, that was against Spurs, with the last-minute goal from Keane. Each and every other game we've conceded at Goodison, we've gone on to lose the match.

Thankfully, Bournemouth didn't manage to find the net in that crucial encounter last May, else we'd be trying to figure out how to escape the Championship. It's also a good job Dyche wasn't here for the Palace game as we went two down in that game but thankfully recovered to take the points. To be fair to Dyche, it was also a problem that the other former Everton managers faced in recent years.

There have been worse teams than this Everton side in the past but, no matter how bad they were, you always got the feeling that they would rescue a bad situation and take at least a point from a game in which they had trailed. It's not the failure to win these encounters with teams around us at Goodison, that's the major concern, it's the failure to even take a point from most of those recent encounters that keeps me awake at night.

Rennie Smith
53 Posted 04/10/2023 at 13:12:17
Sounds to me like he doesn't have the answers, just keeps on with the line of "we need to change the story". Well, at some point, he needs to change the approach; that's down to him not the players.

I'm not saying go all out and attack, he'd never be that sort of manager anyway, but the plan of "Keep it tight and try to nick a goal" isn't working. He can only put the same team and formation out and get beat so many times, and he's probably already at the end of that period.

I think it will probably be the same line-up on Saturday and once again he's saying, over to you, you change the script. I don't have any great hopes that's going to happen…

Frank Crewe
54 Posted 04/10/2023 at 13:18:31
This one of those threads were we can all be experts. But the fact is we only see the players for 90 mins on matchdays. Dyche sees the players in training everyday.

This being the case, I find it hard to sympathise with his complaints that they are inconsistent. Presumably he sees what we see plus he gets reports from his coaches, sports scientists etc during the week, so he should know the relative strengths and weaknesses of his players so that he can iron out inconsistencies.

But it seems after one or two good results they are immediately followed by a series of poor results. This has happened not just under Dyche either. This in turn puts pressure on the next match as it becomes a must-win game. The pressure to defeat Bournemouth this weekend has almost reached the same level as the last game of last season.

Maybe Dyche should be looking at his own inconsistencies. We beat Villa so why did he change that side to bring back Gueye? We saw when he brought Gueye on against Villa we immediately started to drop back because he was brought on to protect a slim lead. So why would he be more attacking against Luton?

I think Dyche has to make a decision. I think he has to pick younger, more dynamic players like Garner, Patterson and Onana and stick with them. The likes of Young and Gueye are just subs. I think their days as starters are pretty much over.

Dale Self
55 Posted 04/10/2023 at 13:44:08
Most teams solve this with other players. We don't have many options without playing some out of their natural positions. It isn't ‘do you have the bollocks' is it? It is the back end of the same problem he is trying to address.

The nerve! Trying to communicate to the fanbase understanding their anxiety over an unexpectedly bad result. The nerve. Is Matt Gaetz an Everton fan? Just checking.

Jim Knightley
56 Posted 04/10/2023 at 13:44:22
Winning games on xG is really important in football. If we keep doing it, results will come.

Our issue has been a lack of quality in finishing, caused in the early season by our inept board. If we had signed a good striker in July – like a functional team – we would have got points in the early games. The Fulham result was a joke (imagine the fuss if Liverpool had had the goal disallowed that we did btw).

The lack of goalscoring has cost us defensively, as we throw too many players forward looking for a goal.

I don't blame Dyche. His job is to set us to create more than the teams we are playing and concede less. That is happening more often than not. What we have needed is more luck and better finishers. This is a very different situation to the dross of Lampard and Rafa.

Tony Everan
57 Posted 04/10/2023 at 13:52:03
At home I think that Dyche had to be more creative in thinking how we are going to get behind defences. Either through wide players taking on their full-back, Patterson overlapping, along with trying something different in midfield.

McNeil isn't firing on all cylinders yet so maybe Danjuma on the left and Harrison on the right would stand a better chance of getting behind and getting those dangerous crosses in that we need more of.

Watching our midfielders, I think that Garner could be more effective as the advanced No 10 type midfielder. He shows intelligence when he gets the ball 30 yards out centrally, there is creativity in his game along with the ability to win balls back in advanced midfield areas.

It would mean dropping Doucouré for home games when we need to break down teams, but use him in other games, particularly away, when we are counter-attacking.

The midfield would be Onana and Gana with more defensive duties and Garner given a free rein to create in front of them.

Whatever happens, Dyche has to rethink his midfield game plan for these type of matches, starting against Bournemouth.

Kevin Molloy
59 Posted 04/10/2023 at 14:00:41
there are aspects of Dyche that grate on me, his brusque manner and general charmlessness. But fair's fair, there are significant causes for optimism. We've just beaten villa and Brentford away for chrissakes.There is a problem, a longstanding one, about games at Goodison. It's not going to be easy to resolve, as the crowd are so tense and the players quite nervous. We've just got to cut them some slack
Brian Wilkinson
60 Posted 04/10/2023 at 14:04:39
I was on holiday last week but managed to catch both games on tv, with a few fellow Evertonians in the bar.

One Evertonian asked what was Mykolenko doing letting the player behind him make a run and score. One easy answer: our players are marking space and not players.

The zonal marking did not work a couple of seasons back, and is a big failure again, it is costing us goals from set pieces. Tarkowski and Branthwaite, Calvert-Lewin, Beto and Onana should not be getting beaten on aerial battles, defending set-pieces, but we are.

Ditch the zonal marking and let players defend. Teams work out where we are with zonal marking and put the ball into space between players. Go back to defending, and defending against players, not spaces.

Paul Hewitt
61 Posted 04/10/2023 at 14:12:04
Kevin, if these players can't play at Goodison Park, then they're not top players, and should go and play non-league.
Tony Abrahams
62 Posted 04/10/2023 at 14:17:39
I never watched us last week but I'm thinking we either play 4-4-2 or bring McNeil inside alongside Garner with either Gueye or Onana deeper and play Harrison and Danjuma or Dobbin out wide, which would suddenly give us a much more balanced five-man midfield?
Tony Abrahams
63 Posted 04/10/2023 at 15:05:32
I’d forget about Doucoure, who I’m sure would do a decent job playing as a wide midfielder because his greatest asset has got to be his engine

Talking about consistency though, it’s great to see our neighbours haven’t changed, with Klopp now saying the game should be replayed.

Good luck with that one but surely it would be a much better call to simply get rid of possibly the most inconsistent thing in football, besides Everton

Raymond Fox
64 Posted 04/10/2023 at 15:51:30
So its sack another manager!

There was no complaints when we beat Brentford and Villa, Dyche was in charge then.

This has been going on for long before Dyche became manager, we play well against the better teams in the Prem. and then cant beat the bottom teams at home.

It seems that they don't like playing home games and choke when they are expected to win.

I wasn't suprised when we lost to Luton, it fitted our MO, the Bournemouth game is another that we usually lose.

We did not have a good enough striker for the start of the season so I cant blame Dyche for those results.

We have created chances in games we have lost but have not finished them.

Then there are the two Luton goals where the defenders were day dreaming, who do you blame for that.

The manager usually has to 'carry the can' but he's not the one who cant score or cant defend.

Paul Kossoff
65 Posted 04/10/2023 at 16:10:47
Duncan 19.

"Quick question to anyone that thinks he should be sacked following home defeat to Bournemouth: How many managers (let alone available ones) could create a winning team with the current squad and general environment around Everton?"

The Villa fans said the same thing when Gerrard was the manager, the Burnley fans said the same thing when Dyche was manager, the Newcastle fans the same. Villa are in Europe, Burnley walked the Championship, Newcastle in the Champions League.

Same teams, different manager, different attitude, different beliefs. We have some good players here but a very soft attitude to what is expected at Everton, built up over the years by one man: Bill Kenwright.

Who would have that? Diego Simeone, he would kick some fucking arses at this club, get rid of Kenwright and Moshiri, and give him the challenge. If bloody Howe can do it, then Simeone can too.

Rennie Smith
66 Posted 04/10/2023 at 16:32:39
But hang on Paul, isn't Dyche's main selling point that he's a no-nonsense operator? Someone that will take no shit from players? Building teams that are solid and mentally hard to play against? So why haven't we seen that?

And by the way, where's the money coming from? We can't afford to sack him never mind bring in someone like Simeone.

Billy Shears
67 Posted 04/10/2023 at 17:35:34
...so find a team formation that works,stop picking Gana and Young,play Jimmy G in the middle,not on the right wing and fucking take the handbrake off the players but most of all...be much more braver in games!

We simply have to find a way to win at home...FAST.

Christy Ring
68 Posted 04/10/2023 at 19:10:49
Some of Dyche's selections are a bit too conservative and he's slow to change things. Why isn't he playing Garner in his proper position after his performance against Villa. He should have started Patterson at home to Luton also. Left back is a problem, Young is probably safer than Mykolenko, but that's no endorsement, I'd play McNeill at left back with Danjuma ahead of him. He took over a complete unbalanced squad, and his and the DoF's hands were completely tied, they had no money to spend, they signed players on loan, and Beto's fee doesn't start until 2024. Changing the manager isn't the answer.
Neil Lawson
69 Posted 04/10/2023 at 19:24:28
Christine 11. Correct.

Responsibility is collective. It can not just be the Manager's fault or just the players. However, the Manager selects the team and the set up and tactics. He should be getting the best out of every player. I despair when someone is played out of position. I suspect that there is 100% agreement that Garner should not be forced out wide. That Onana is more effective alongside Garner. That Young is not the answer in either full back position. That Gana needs a rest. We are all armchair managers but so many of us see the same issues. Are we all wrong? The buck has to stop with Dyche. We can all accept being beaten by a better side but when we are consistently underperforming against average/poor sides then there is something very wrong that the Manager has to take responsibility for. He is not.

Duncan McDine
70 Posted 04/10/2023 at 19:38:22
Paul 65, I agree with you about Villa.

As for offering the job to Simeone... ffs!

Mark Ryan
71 Posted 04/10/2023 at 19:49:48
It's not so much Evertons inconsistency that is the problem. The real issue is Dyches consistency. He's a stuck in the mud, predictable, old school manager that has no pliancy to his approach. He is inflexible in his pressers when questioned, he's predictable in his responses and I suspect his training is simply routine
Robert Tressell
72 Posted 04/10/2023 at 20:13:29
Paul # 65.

Emery did a good job with a seriously underperforming Villa side with heavy investment in players under Gerrard in Diego Carlos, Coutinho, Dendoncker and Koumara. But it's the heavy investment, not Emery that is making the difference. They've got a really good squad. They have invested even more heavily this summer with Champions League quality in the form Tielemans, Diaby, Torres, Lenglet and Zaniolo. Jury is out on whether Emery can really do something with a very good squad - and it wouldn't surprise me if he cannot.

Howe did a good job with a Newcastle side also suddenly able to invest heavily in players like Guimaraes, Trippier, Botman, Isak - and before that steal Wood from Burnley for a ridiculous £30m simply to weaken a relegation rival. We couldn't even afford to sign Coady for £4.5m this summer.

In truth, neither Howe nor Emery are brilliant managers and both will probably be sacked before too long. But Howe is certainly making the most of his opportunity, so fair play.

I think you come at this from the perspective that "we are Everton" and therefore things should be better than this. Of course they should - but don't be fooled into thinking there's a rosier future under a "decent manager".

Ultimately we had a weaker squad last season that the three clubs that went down. I reckon we've probably got about the 15th best squad in the division now - about the same as Bournemouth but certainly no better. Nottingham Forest, for example, definitely have a better squad than us now.

Absolutely we deserve better than this but it's not Dyche's doing. Put Howe or Emery in charge and we might get a little bounce but there are plenty of lauded managers out there who will take us down. Things really could be much worse than they are now, sadly.

Anthony A Hughes
73 Posted 04/10/2023 at 20:26:01
I think Dyche will be long gone before Emery or Howe.
Robert Tressell
74 Posted 04/10/2023 at 20:36:31
He might well, Anthony, but that doesn't mean he's a worse manager.

Remove Pope, Botman, Trippier, Guimaraes, Tonali, Gordon, Isak, Barnes and Livramento from that Newcastle side and it would be interesting to see how Howe would be faring.

Similarly, it'd be interesting to see how Dyche would be doing if given less than half that, say, Tierney, Ward-Prowse and Maddison. I think he'd be doing well.

Anthony A Hughes
75 Posted 04/10/2023 at 20:44:46
True, Robert, but I don't think the likes of Seville, PSG, Arsenal or Villa would entertain Dyche as a manager nor Newcastle for their job.
Robert Tressell
76 Posted 04/10/2023 at 20:54:04
Again, that's correct, Anthony, as things stand.

But I'm not sure what that's got to do with Dyche being at Everton. Those other clubs have vastly bigger resources than us and are realistically looking to win trophies and have Champions League adventures because of their huge spending.

Even at Seville, Emery (a good but not top-drawer manager) did well because he was fed excellent players by a player development culture and a very highly regarded Director of Football. Again, hugely different to where we are.

However, a few years ago, when Villa were in financial difficulty like us, with a dysfunctional squad to manage, Dyche is exactly the sort of manager they might turn to, to help stay afloat. They turned to Steve Bruce, for fuck's sake!

Mike Doyle
77 Posted 04/10/2023 at 21:27:36
Robert 74,

If Dyche had those 3 players, they'd probably be on the bench – at least behind Ashley Young in the pecking order.

Dave Cashen
78 Posted 04/10/2023 at 23:07:55
Barry @48,

It was me who said we can't keep blaming the players. Not just because most of the players we were blaming 2/3 years ago are no longer here, but also for the very reason you highlight.

I agree that we have bought from "a department store which specialises in low level mediocrity".

Blaming the players for poor performances is a bit like buying the cheapest crapiest camera in the hock shop, then complaining about the quality of picture it takes.

David West
79 Posted 04/10/2023 at 23:09:22
Inconsistent performances, yes, we've had that this season, and some of last season under Dyche, but what I'm looking at is the performances when we've been good have been better than any good performances under Lampard or Allardyce.

The lows haven't been as low as Lampard's reign… yet!

We don't look totally lost, rudderless or bereft of discipline, like under Lampard.
I honestly believe giving him the time to just tweak the things he's put in place will see us easily clear of relegation this season.

I may be wrong, we may lose to Bournemouth.

Phil Lewis
80 Posted 04/10/2023 at 23:47:54
Pope, a former Burnley player, riding high with Newcastle. In my opinion, a far superior all-round keeper to Pickford. Oh for a goalkeeper with the confidence to come for crosses, even punching clear when necessary.

Two silly set-piece goals conceded against Luton. We should be consolidatiing a respectable mid-table position right now instead of staring into the abyss once more.

Steve Oshaugh
81 Posted 05/10/2023 at 02:07:40
I'm not fussed one way or the other what Dyche says, to be honest. I think we all know his limitations and recognise he is a pound shop Big Sam. However, he is what we have at the moment and we can't afford another managerial change (fiscally and emotionally) and he won't take us down.

It seems pretty obvious that we play best when up against teams who try and play, thereby giving us a chance to feed off scraps. If teams sit back, we are stuffed... not enough creativity to get through teams that are well set up defensively.

The biggest thrill we are going to get out of this season is watching the dicks across the park make yet another fool of themselves... thoroughly entertaining stuff... I mean old klippity Kvnt is now calling for a replay :) absolutely first class stuff.

Ernie Baywood
82 Posted 05/10/2023 at 02:21:40
David 79, who goes down if we don't?

Sheffield Utd seem very likely. Even we managed to make them look very poor. But of course we looked poor ourselves.

Luton beat us at home. With us at full strength.

Lowly Bournemouth have had very tough home fixtures so far.

Burnley were good enough to at least beat Luton.

I'd love to share your confidence in this team but I just can't see where the turnaround in form could come from. And I'm not convinced that any of our rivals are doing worse than us.

We've lost our first 4 home games of the season from decent fixtures – things couldn't be worse.

Jimmy Carr
83 Posted 05/10/2023 at 08:18:14
Not really interested in character assassinations regarding Sean Dyche written by anonymous keyboard warriors, or why he should be sacked etc., etc., blah blah. Pretty boring to read frankly.

We will get a signal of what, if anything, he has up his sleeve when we play Bournemouth. Based on current form, he can't expect the same team or formation to get a result, so he has to try something different and he really needs to be more positive to try and get the crowd onside.

If he goes down playing the same way, then that tells me he doesn't have a Plan B.

Rob Baker
85 Posted 05/10/2023 at 13:34:58
Dyche picks the players and decides the formation and tactics. He is part of the inconsistency problem. He plays the wrong players and sometimes the wrong positions for the right players.

If he hasn't worked out his best XI and formation from the squad yet, he shouldn't be a manager.

Mick Davies
86 Posted 05/10/2023 at 14:57:51
'Grass' Noise' Analysis' and now a new word - 'Metrics' What's that all about?

He's a fan of VAR er, but on the business side, but as a fan, he's not.

The man is full of bullshit.

Tony Abrahams
87 Posted 05/10/2023 at 15:19:29
That last paragraph @75 made me smile, Dave, when I looked up how much Everton have spent against what they have recuperated since Dyche became the manager.
Rob Jones
88 Posted 05/10/2023 at 15:30:45
I'm done with this arsehole. This kind of nonsense is what will lose him the dressing room, if he hasn't already. It was his tactics which cost us last weekend. His lack of coaching.

Why weren't we prepared at set pieces, both in attack and defence?

Why were we so cripplingly unorganised in the second half?


His comments make things worse.

Christopher Timmins
89 Posted 05/10/2023 at 16:03:27
The only criteria for judging any manager is whether they are making the most of the resources at their disposal?

Is it conclusive at this stage that our manager has failed the above test? I think he deserves more time to turn things around.

Soren Moyer
90 Posted 05/10/2023 at 16:08:35
Hiring a 3rd grade manager (Dyche) or a rookie (Lampard), by throwing millions at them and hope for the best, will get us relegated eventually!

Firing and hiring random managers is not the answer. Hiring the right person is.

Why not go for the likes of Marcelino or even Potter, to name a few!?
Both are free agents and no compensation involved.

Dale Self
91 Posted 05/10/2023 at 16:11:09
Says the Lardass man. Get off the Potter. Get more serious than character attacks. Or don't, I’ll scroll.
Eddie Dunn
92 Posted 05/10/2023 at 17:38:45
Dyche has switched his selections along with the sentiments of many on here and sometimes it has worked but mostly it hasn't. He is blaming everyone but himself but it is plain that the players are lacking a bit of quality.

However, the defensive tactics, the poor marking, the zonal nonsense should be explained. Today's presser was full of worthless questions and Sean rolled out his managerspeak: "Details... noise... work... fans. Fans... for some time here... xGs... story... performance" etc, etc.

I suppose they are all a bit dull. Remember Koeman: "But okay", "It's football".
And Martinez: "moment", "Phenomenal". They all do my head in.

David West
93 Posted 05/10/2023 at 18:09:58
Young was the only new signing in the starting 11. Yes!! We can blame players for years of inconsistent performances.

Yes, garner and Branthwaite have only recently established themselves in the first team but the rest Dyche inherited. A side that's battled relegation regularly.

Some people need perspective!!! We know results are not good right now, but I believe that the team Dyche put out should've beaten Luton. The tactics were capable of beating Luton. The 11 men were good enough to beat Luton.

Let him find who he can rely on, who's not pulling their weight, who is a good trainer but poor in matches, who handles the pressure, who turns up when they feel like, who runs themselves into the ground for the shirt.

That only comes with time. Any manager will tell you they need time. But it's a results game and he has to find these things out while picking up results otherwise the inevitable will come and he'll go.

But give the guy a fair shot to build something or who will come after? Knowing you get no time, no money, no players, no chance???

Mark Ryan
94 Posted 05/10/2023 at 18:15:46
The one thing Dyche has in his locker is that he appears to exude confidence. Always on the front foot in his pressers. Drunk in his own verbosity and never looks nervous but is this down to interview technique ? Is it down to learning the lines, digesting his own hyperbole and spouting what he knows. I just want to hear one of the reporters say to him " when are we going to see Fortress Goodison Sean ?" When are Everton going to start a successful home record of draws and wins. I'd like to see him answer that with a straight bat. Depending on the answer I might give him a go but at this time I just see a manager who is full of buzz words, talks the talk and spouts what he thinks people want to hear. I've stopped watching his full pre match pressers on Tube because I already know what he's going to say

Can he turn it around on Saturday. Heart says " I hope so." My head says " he'll fluff his lines again." I truly hope he can nail on a win. I don't want to see another failed manager at Everton

Soren Moyer
95 Posted 05/10/2023 at 18:55:02
Dale, 91,

You should realize that having a disk-shaped beard and having managed freaking Burnley, doesn't make you qualified to manage a huge club like Everton.

At least under Lardass man, as you call him, we finished 8th, for fuck's sake!

Matt Byrne
96 Posted 05/10/2023 at 19:37:15
What inconsistency? 4 defeats at home out of 4 games is highly consistent.
Matt Byrne
97 Posted 05/10/2023 at 19:49:42
We've lost 9 of the last 12 home league games. Why is this fella still in a job? Hoof ball championship manager. It was only 3 and a half years ago we brought Carlo in. We accept total mediocrity. Things could still get worse with these 777 charlatans.
Dale Self
98 Posted 05/10/2023 at 20:03:51
Dale Self
99 Posted 05/10/2023 at 20:03:51
Soren you just stepped in it. You chose Lardass as your solution when Dyche was avoiding relegation. How did Sam do with Leeds? Did he blame the players?

I will give acknowledgment of yours and others consistency; You all got it wrong then and are sticking to the same faith in chaos principle now.

John Williams
100 Posted 05/10/2023 at 20:10:05
I have been watching Everton since the Peter Farrell days. Purchasing a season ticket in the Goodison Road Stand when it opened in the mid 1960s.
We certainly have had a roller coaster existence, not helped by our supporters in these last 10 years or so.
I sat in the stand and had to put up with the rabble shouting all sorts of abuse at Martinez, a manager, I certainly thought we should have kept.
The main problem with Everton supporters is the club across the park and their ongoing success over many years. Many blues fans cannot accept it.
My own view is, if we where in a city or town with just one club, like Leicester, the fans would accept the situation in a better way.
Some fans should hold their heads in shame, but that seems the modern way.
I do have to admire the blues supporters who travel all over the country to support the club, but seeing some at Goodison, makes me feel like packing it all up.
Soren Moyer
101 Posted 05/10/2023 at 20:30:01
Are you for real, Dale? Allardyce was brought in by Leeds with 3 games to go! No one could have saved them for crying out loud.

Not that I am a Fat Sam fan but, he was my choice over fucking Dyche, when we sacked Lampard. Only to save us from the drop. Nothing more.

Dale Self
102 Posted 05/10/2023 at 20:38:04
Soren, you were asking for Lardass with 4 games left. What happened that week? I don’t get your counter argument.
Tony Abrahams
103 Posted 05/10/2023 at 20:43:29
I think we should have all learned from Ancellotti, because he definitely wasn’t prepared to accept abject mediocrity, and was out of Goodison, like a shot, because once he lost a couple of his better players, the only football he could offer us was mostly very boring, abject, and very mediocre, imo.

Everton have been horrible to watch bar a handful of Ancellotti’s games, since Silva began to turn it around towards the end of his first season, and they were mostly horrible to watch, after Martinez’s initial season, which is now over nine years ago.

A club that could be great, has been totally mismanaged and virtually destroyed over many soulless years, by a man who should have never got near our club, considering he was absolutely skint, at a time when football in this country, was moving into a new age of wealth, with some rich owners taking over clubs with a plan to succeed.

Kenwright’s plan to succeed was to divide and conquer, whilst getting his friends in the media to help him change the narrative, to make it seem like he was doing a great job. He has definitely done a great job for himself - hence his admission of the good times.

Ernie Baywood
104 Posted 05/10/2023 at 21:34:27
David 93, while I agree that the players we have are good enough to beat Luton, I believe the selection played into Luton's hands.

We played a defensive selection in a game where we were going to have a lot of the ball.

Basically, we turned the game into a low quality game... and that's a game Luton are equipped for.

A bolder plan would be to play Onana and Garner in midfield - they're more effective on the ball than Gueye. Play Patterson - he crosses the halfway line. Don't play Mykolenko - he's purely a defensive option. Play Danjuma instead of Doucoure - we needed a creator, not a chaser/counter attacker. Play a right winger - stretch the game.

This isn't hindsight. I said it during the week of the game.

I can't understand how Dyche wouldn't see that. Plan A - defend and hope - isn't the right option at home to lesser lights. It's exactly what they want us to do.

Barry Rathbone
105 Posted 05/10/2023 at 21:37:24
John Williams 100

Like a breath of fresh air that post.

We are affected by LFC no matter how irksome some find that admission and Moshiri DID make a monstrous mistake by caving before vociferous knee-jerkers over Martinez.

By not bankrolling him to see what would happen with real money the path to oblivion was assured and the fans have never learned, they're at it again with Dyche.

I said in a recent piece he is now a dead man walking needing a miracle to survive. It's the same film with a different protagonist and eventually it will send us down.

Dale Self
106 Posted 05/10/2023 at 21:53:48
Shouldn’t that be infected rather than affected?

I think Thelwell’s achievements in the transfer window give Dyche some room. If we survive and can sell and reload next two windows that will be seen as progress in the offices. How we get there may be distasteful for some but that is the bar imo.

Barry Hesketh
108 Posted 05/10/2023 at 22:07:02
I think Evertonians are affected by what occurs over the park, it's an inevitable fact of life, but what Evertonians do know, is that there's no way on earth that their players, even if they had to use the kids for a period of time, would lose 7 out of 8 games at Anfield, and if they did, the Kopites would not accept 3 losses out of 8 never mind seven. Evertonians are not a breed apart, who expect too much too soon.

But carry on, blame the fans for not wanting to see crap football, blame the fans for ringing alarm bells when things are going wrong, blame the fans for every manager since Moyes failing to get a tune out of the players, blame the fans for the players being unable to perform for more than a couple of games on the trot.

If in doubt blame the fans if we go bust, blame the fans for relegation if we survive the financial perils, blame the fans when the new stadium is half-full, because many of the fans have grown sick and tired of taking the blame for things way beyond their control. Kenwright acolytes sicken me to the core.

Soren Moyer
109 Posted 05/10/2023 at 22:10:05
Dale, do us and yourself a favour, will ya!? Stick to baseball or something similar.

I never said we should bring Allardyce with 4 games to go. Now you're being silly, dude.

And to those who think its the fans fault we are were we are; I don't think you really believe in that! Come on.

Dale Self
110 Posted 05/10/2023 at 22:17:10
Are those LF fora archived? You better hope not because I do remember you repeatedly claiming Lardass would have kept us up while you were stating Dyche would take us down.

You just struck out.

Derek Thomas
111 Posted 05/10/2023 at 22:24:16
Just beat Bournemouth and that's the problems papered over for a fortnight - until The Derby...and the P & S hearing.
Don Alexander
112 Posted 05/10/2023 at 23:50:10
To the Martinez fans;

His first season took every player he'd inherited into another world where, with five games to go at the season's end, qualification for CL/Europa football was real for the next season.

We took one point from those last five games and failed to qualify for Europe.

The previous season, with all but those very same players, we achieved the lusty heights of eleventh, but took a mere nine points from our last eleven games to ensure another non-Europe finish.

I realise this is all too many years ago for some of us (and, by Christ, what wouldn't we give for suchlike league positions this season?) but I made the point on here at the time and ever since that the entire culture of the club under Kenwright's tenure had always years beforehand been to spend the least and avoid stepping into the world of Europe qualification where mega-spending is de rigueur.

He didn't want the increased level of accountability that serious qualification for Europe would bring, never mind the extra level of spending he couldn't extract from the various mega-spongers he'd attached OUR club to, his very own eulogised "Mozart Of Money" Philip Shithouse Green being to the fore (amid admittedly stiff competition in fairness).

The players, and their agents, recognised that it was VERY much in their own interests to keep on milking the Everton cash-cow that was theirs courtesy of their VERY acceptable Kenwright-agreed salaries for no success rather than run the risk of being hived off to lesser salaries should European football enable OUR club to at last afford better players.

But hey, let's put ALL the blame on Dyche eh? Another "professional" guaranteed a fortune whatever happens to OUR club.

Dyche's a mere branch - Kenwright's the root from which everything has and will develop.

Simon Dalzell
113 Posted 07/10/2023 at 13:36:20
One thing Mr Dyche IS, consistently bad. There are no excuses for the team set up last week, and the inability to realise this and change it during the game.

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