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Yet another season in the top flight

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In the warm afterglow of the humiliation of Manchester City on their own midden and the disappointment of a myriad missed chances against Wolves, another milestone went largely unnoticed this weekend.

It became mathematically impossible for us to be relegated this season (short of going into administration!)

It must be all those nailbiting dicings-with-death of a few years ago that are to blame but I start doing the calculations at the end of February each season and always breathe a sigh of relief when the magical point is mathematically achieved and, if nothing else, we can still lay claim to the record of spending more seasons in the top flight than anybody else.

We should get a trophy for that!
Dave Roberts, United Kingdom     Posted 29/03/2010 at 16:09:27

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John Maxwell
1   Posted 30/03/2010 at 02:53:21

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Dave you are an optimist... good to see on here, keep it up.
Mick Wrende
2   Posted 30/03/2010 at 07:28:05

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An optimist? You are fucking joking - most of us are trying to win things and all you can talk about is avoiding relegation - what a dire life you must lead.
Gavin Ramejkis
3   Posted 30/03/2010 at 08:34:37

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Staying up used to be the first thing on our minds years ago in the dark days, like Mick has said we've moved on to the reality of doing what teams should be doing; winning stuff, you remember Cups, trophies, etc?
Duncan McDine
4   Posted 30/03/2010 at 09:34:11

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To be honest, I haven't even considered relegation for the last 7 or 8 years, not even after to odd shitty start to the season.

It's now a disappointment to be on the top-side of mid-table, so relegation just isn't possible with the players we have.
Michael Lynch
5   Posted 30/03/2010 at 09:43:16

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Fellas, this is surely a wind up from a red shite having a sly dig? This can't be a genuine point of view.
Brian Noble
6   Posted 30/03/2010 at 10:09:49

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Another `Open Top Bus` moment ,surely!
John Nelson
7   Posted 30/03/2010 at 10:34:01

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I can totally understand the author of this article - in the not so distant past we were to put bluntly a fucking shambles, so I think he is trying to emphasise the fact of how much we have progressed since those dark dark days (speaking of which I seen a Walter Smith interview on Sky Sports News, and guess what was said in his first sentance? Dissappointed! Even after them winning 4-1 away from home! Fuck me...)
Brendan McLaughlin
8   Posted 30/03/2010 at 10:46:35

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Nice one Brian Noble & they say sarcasm doesn't work on the net. Seriously though a few seasons back when the opening fixtures came out I tended to look at who we would be playing on the last day in case we needed the victory to stay up. But its been a good view years since I've approached a season like that.
Mike Allison
9   Posted 30/03/2010 at 11:02:15

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Its only two weeks ago that we can't mathematically win the title, I think Man United's victory over Liverpool put them out of reach.
David Hallwood
10   Posted 30/03/2010 at 11:01:27

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I remember an interview with Sir Alex and he said that his first priority every season was to ensure top flight football, then kick on from there, but I always put that at the magical 40pt mark and we went passed that some time ago, in fact even if we did go into administration we would have enough to stay in the top flight
Mike Allison
11   Posted 30/03/2010 at 11:04:58

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Scratch that, absolutely mathematically, it was this weekend's results that put the title out of reach.
Brendan McLaughlin
12   Posted 30/03/2010 at 11:17:45

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Now I understand why Neil Steele reacted so badly.
Tony J Williams
13   Posted 30/03/2010 at 11:16:22

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I am glad that we are past the dark days of getting texts from my red shite mates, the like of "Son goes to father and asks for his Easter eggs, father replies but it's only February, son replies but Everton have 40 points so it must be Easter".

Hurrah to another year in the top flight, and a hurrah to being pissed off that we will probably not get Europe this season.
Tom Fearon
14   Posted 30/03/2010 at 13:38:32

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Yes, we do want to win more titles and trophies but isn't the most significant achievement in our proud history the fact that we have spent only four seasons out of the top flight since the formation of the Football League in 1888?
Dave Roberts
15   Posted 30/03/2010 at 15:42:27

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As an 'old git' (and unlike most of today's Evertonians), I experienced the tail end of relegation.... in that the year we came back up (1954) was the first year my dad took me to Goodison. I also remember his total misery when we went down and his joy when we came right back up.

For most of my own time as a Blue, relegation has not been an issue for me either but the close run things of a few years back made it one. Perhaps even more of one because, in my own way, I have experienced it.

For those who think the players we have now make it 'impossible' for Everton to be relegated, they need to look no further than West Ham and Manchester United when (basically) decent sides went down not because the players weren't good enough but because the clubs were badly run/managed and a downward spiral began from there. We were very close to that situation ourselves not so long ago.The same thing happened to Newcastle last season.

I watched Newcastle the other night playing another of the top sides in the Championship (Notts Forest) and they played better footy against another decent side than a lot of the stuff I have seen from Premier League sides this season. But they went down last year... not because of the players directly but because the club was in turmoil. Virtually the same side is winning the Championship this season with ease. They will stay up because they have the money, once they are back, to attract good players. We do not. If we went down we would have a lot of trouble getting back. That is why I worry!!

No, to answer somebody above, I am not a Kopite wind-up merchant, I am an Evertonian who loves this Club and who was frightened to death for a few seasons a few years ago when we could have gone down and when we looked as though we would. Maybe I will stop worrying about it in a year or two, who knows... perhaps when we are no longer in the bottom three at Christmas! Until then I will be happy when I know relegation is not a possibility.
Michael Kenrick
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16   Posted 30/03/2010 at 17:15:15

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Sorry to wade in but Michael Lynch's post (about suspecting a redshite wind-up) concerns me on a number of levels.

Firstly, this is a membership site for Evertonians, and is very different from many of the interactive sites elsewhere on the web, where such abuse is rife. There should be no posts appearing here from kopite twats, and certainly not mailbag items that we sanction before publication. So to raise such a question is both inappropriate and shows no respect for the sincerity of those who do post — as fellow Evertonians.

I don't want to make a big deal of it really but I personally want to be assured that I'm reading genuine comments from Evertonians — that's what we created here. To question an individual poster in such a way, given these parameters, is not on.

Posts and articles are published here as genuine contributions from your fellow Evertonians. Questioning the motives of posters is something I'd prefer we simply did not do. If any of you do suspect redshite infiltration, we'd prefer if you use the Report Abuse facility and we'll take action as and when we can. Thanks!
Phil Bellis
17   Posted 30/03/2010 at 17:33:45

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Dave,

My only pre-94 `flirtation' with relegation was early 70s (72-3?) when, if memory serves me correctly, "Howie kept us up" — Even then the popular thinking was we'd always buy our way out of trouble.

For a spell in the 90s, when I got my `traditional' Everton-related book for Christmas, I put it on the shelf and wouldn't open it until we were safe — how bloody sad! Even now, I get a slight shudder on Christmas morning...

I understand exactly what you're saying — for old school Blues, the 90s were psychologically damaging.

Larry Boner
18   Posted 30/03/2010 at 18:34:01

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The day we played Wimbledon in 1994 will live with me forever as one of Everton FCs greatest days, for I feel that, if we had been relegated that season, the club would have struggled to get back to the top flight quickly.

We were a poor side, with a poor manager, the classic recipe for disaster, but if we did not get relegated that year then I felt we would never get relegated.

I still cannot believe we got away with it that day... Wimbledon, although we gave them 2 goals, missed chance after chance, Holdsworth in particular.

The redshite, with the coffins, were poised; if I remember correctly, even if we won, Sheff Utd had to lose for us to stay up??

The day, although stomach turning, showed how big a club Everton were, the support unbelievable, but I still think something went on there that had nothing to do with football, but I don't suppose we will ever find out the truth.

Within a year, fortunes had changed, we had a young vibrant manager, won the FA Cup and could compete against the RS, within another year we had thrown it all away again.

History is repeating itself, will the board support this young vibrant manager, or will it all be cast away again?

Dennis Stevens
19   Posted 30/03/2010 at 20:19:57

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Although I'm not averse to criticising Moyes, as well as praising him as applicable, I must say that I've not considered the "R" word a consideration for Everton from the very first match he took control of the Blues at Goodison Park. That's not to say I'm complacent, as somebody pointed out already : no team is too good to drop out of the top flight, & I well recall Manchester United dropping a division in the 70s.
Keith Glazzard
20   Posted 31/03/2010 at 02:20:12

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Dave - Every August I just look at the zero points that we start with, history and reputation counting for nothing, and yearn for wins.

I trust in Moyes, but his 'late start surge', now well spotted by the press, can do one's head in. Like Phil and others I say we must never go back to those dark, dark days experienced in the 90s.

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