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, 23 January,
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Deal 'in principle' agreed, negotiations continue
Diniyar Bilyaletdinov's frustrating spell in England is about to end with a return to Russia after Spartak Moscow confirmed that a deal has been reached in principle with Everton.A statement from the club announced that the player's move will be completed following a medical this week. According to Everton, no fee has been agreed yet. The player is expected to fly out today (Tuesday) to undergo a medical and discuss personal terms.
The player?s father, Rinat, has told Russian news network RIA Novosti that Bilyaletdinov has been desperate to secure a move in order to secure a place in Russia?s Euro 2012 squad.
?The situation at Everton has reached the point where he has to leave,? he said. ?Diniyar has wanted to leave for six months.
?I don?t think he had a choice, especially with Euro 2012 coming up, where he needs to reach a point where he is guaranteed to play.?
Bilyaletdinov senior was also critical of the way Everton manager David Moyes utilised his son, suggesting that forcing him to contribute to defensive duties limited his effectiveness.
?In terms of his creativeness Diniyar has stagnated,? Bilyaletdinov said. ?The same thing happened to Mikel Arteta.
?I don?t want to question Moyes? qualifications, but if he?d got more out of his defensive players, then his creative players wouldn?t have dropped off so much in recent years.?
Bilyaletdinov signed from neighbouring Lokomotiv Moscow for £9m two and a half years ago and made a promising start to life at Everton scoring some important goals.
His second season was less than stellar, however, and he found first-team opportunities harder to come by. Struggling to adapt to the physicality and pace of the English game, the Russian international was unable to displace Stephen Pienaar from left midfield and has been out of favour since the South African's departure for Tottenham Hotspur leaving him in limbo ahead of this summer's European Championships.
With most of his goals and international success coming from a central attacking midfield position, many Everton fans were frustrated that the 26 year-old wasn't given more opportunities in his favoured role.
A move to Wolfsburg seemed on the cards this month but the Bundesliga side failed to follow up their interest in Bily and Spartak have now stepped in to bring the midfielder back home.
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John Daley
2 Posted 23/01/2012 at 14:56:02
2 Posted 23/01/2012 at 14:56:02
£7m? I'd snap their hand off so hard they'd be living the rest of their life with one arm.
Sam Hoare
3 Posted 23/01/2012 at 15:03:43
3 Posted 23/01/2012 at 15:03:43
Fingers and toes crossed.
Paddy Gillen
4 Posted 23/01/2012 at 15:11:59
4 Posted 23/01/2012 at 15:11:59
Rodwell to Chelsea - £15mil
Stephen Kenny
5 Posted 23/01/2012 at 15:14:37
5 Posted 23/01/2012 at 15:14:37
Paddy you said that was happening last week on GOT. Make your mind up!
Danny Broderick
6 Posted 23/01/2012 at 15:05:56
6 Posted 23/01/2012 at 15:05:56
Sam (080),
Are we paying them £7 million?
Are we paying them £7 million?
Steve Turner
7 Posted 23/01/2012 at 15:32:07
7 Posted 23/01/2012 at 15:32:07
Thank God. Also add Anichebe, Rodwell, Saha for starters.
Bollocks it, sell the whole lot of them and start again.
I am so pissed off, thanks for letting me rant.
COY fucking B
Bollocks it, sell the whole lot of them and start again.
I am so pissed off, thanks for letting me rant.
COY fucking B
Jim Knightley
8 Posted 23/01/2012 at 15:17:49
8 Posted 23/01/2012 at 15:17:49
Rodwell is not moving to Chelsea for 15million...Why would they want him? They play three in central midfield from Lamps, Mikel, Romeu, Meireles and Ramires. On top of those, they have Essien returning and need a playmaking midfielder (having just had a bid turned down for Willian).
Now why would they want to buy for Rodwell, especially for an overinflated price Paddy?
Now why would they want to buy for Rodwell, especially for an overinflated price Paddy?
James Morgan
11 Posted 23/01/2012 at 15:39:16
11 Posted 23/01/2012 at 15:39:16
I hope this is true so we can get some money for a striker....no, wait...so we can pay some of the debt off. In fact, 85 pence of every pound of it will go to finch farm!!!
Jake Lucas
13 Posted 23/01/2012 at 15:44:26
13 Posted 23/01/2012 at 15:44:26
Are we actually going to see this £7M though? Because if not, then even though I don't believe he is good enough for us, that leaves us another man short in what is already a thin squad. If Bill can guarantee Moyes will have some, if not all of the money to invest back into the club, I would say it's a no-brainer!
John Keating
14 Posted 23/01/2012 at 15:54:49
14 Posted 23/01/2012 at 15:54:49
I offered a few days ago to drive him to Wolfsberg when that rumour came out.
Moscows' a bit further but still gladly drive the useless shite there !
No one in their right mind - apart from us - would pay more than 20p for him.
Anything over that - grab it !!
Moscows' a bit further but still gladly drive the useless shite there !
No one in their right mind - apart from us - would pay more than 20p for him.
Anything over that - grab it !!
Sam Hoare
15 Posted 23/01/2012 at 16:08:15
15 Posted 23/01/2012 at 16:08:15
This from the Spartak website (apparently)
"Spartak have arrived at an agreement in principle with Everton and the 26-year-old Russian international midfielder Diniyar Bilyaletdinov on his transfer to our club,"
No mention of fee but i bet it won't be less than £5m.
"Spartak have arrived at an agreement in principle with Everton and the 26-year-old Russian international midfielder Diniyar Bilyaletdinov on his transfer to our club,"
No mention of fee but i bet it won't be less than £5m.
Tony J Williams
16 Posted 23/01/2012 at 16:13:18
16 Posted 23/01/2012 at 16:13:18
What's astounding about £9.5M? Not even our record signing and as stated, he played well his first season.
Especially when those dopes at Klanfield paid £35m for Carroll and £20m for Henderson
Especially when those dopes at Klanfield paid £35m for Carroll and £20m for Henderson
Sam Hoare
17 Posted 23/01/2012 at 16:18:27
17 Posted 23/01/2012 at 16:18:27
Hear the fee is around £6m.
A loss of £3.5m is not great but not disastrous. Remember several people (like Jimmy Sorheim) on here saying we wouldn't get £2m for him now.
A loss of £3.5m is not great but not disastrous. Remember several people (like Jimmy Sorheim) on here saying we wouldn't get £2m for him now.
Shane Corcoran
18 Posted 23/01/2012 at 16:23:48
18 Posted 23/01/2012 at 16:23:48
John Keating. Have a bit of respect. He's not great but take it easy.
Dave Wilson
20 Posted 23/01/2012 at 16:26:43
20 Posted 23/01/2012 at 16:26:43
Sam #117
I cant find anything, where are you getting this News ?
I cant find anything, where are you getting this News ?
Shane Corcoran
21 Posted 23/01/2012 at 16:34:40
21 Posted 23/01/2012 at 16:34:40
http://www.spartak.com/main/news/20633/
Stephen Doyle
22 Posted 23/01/2012 at 16:34:28
22 Posted 23/01/2012 at 16:34:28
Its on skysports website now.
Lee Smith
23 Posted 23/01/2012 at 16:39:24
23 Posted 23/01/2012 at 16:39:24
Sam (117), wouldn't surprised if Jimmy was right after all, reports from Russia are suggesting a fee of around £2m (apparently!).....
James Morgan
24 Posted 23/01/2012 at 16:32:18
24 Posted 23/01/2012 at 16:32:18
Google that paragraph, goal.com are running with it along side a few others.
Nick Smith
25 Posted 23/01/2012 at 16:45:33
25 Posted 23/01/2012 at 16:45:33
Excellent. We need his wages to cover those exciting loans Moyes is bringing in.
Brian Denton
26 Posted 23/01/2012 at 16:51:26
26 Posted 23/01/2012 at 16:51:26
Echo is running with £2.5 million. Christ, we've really taken a bath on some of our sales. We're getting nothing back on the empties!
Liam Reilly
27 Posted 23/01/2012 at 16:40:26
27 Posted 23/01/2012 at 16:40:26
That's another few million off the Debt then. Mind you, when we drop another 10 million into the Red at the end of this financail year, coupled with our considerably unfavourable loan rates, it may just go towards servicing the loan as opposed to paying it off.
Great business model.
At least when Leeds went under they had spent and gambled on getting into the Champions League, we've gambled on nothing and are still fucked.
Great business model.
At least when Leeds went under they had spent and gambled on getting into the Champions League, we've gambled on nothing and are still fucked.
Tony McNulty
28 Posted 23/01/2012 at 17:04:53
28 Posted 23/01/2012 at 17:04:53
Sorry it didn't work out.
One or two exciting moments but otherwise a Krodrupesque piece of business.
In summary, there'll be a lot of dry eyes amongst the supporters tonight.
One or two exciting moments but otherwise a Krodrupesque piece of business.
In summary, there'll be a lot of dry eyes amongst the supporters tonight.
Tony McNulty
29 Posted 23/01/2012 at 17:10:22
29 Posted 23/01/2012 at 17:10:22
Sorry - "Kroldrupesque"
It's because I'm so excited at what we're going to do with the money between now and the end of the month.
It's because I'm so excited at what we're going to do with the money between now and the end of the month.
Ben Jones
30 Posted 23/01/2012 at 17:12:34
30 Posted 23/01/2012 at 17:12:34
Breaking news on Sky has just said we've agreed a fee.
Maybe putting two and two together and getting Cerci as a replacement?
Looks likely to me. Hope it happens
Maybe putting two and two together and getting Cerci as a replacement?
Looks likely to me. Hope it happens
Howard Don
31 Posted 23/01/2012 at 17:09:58
31 Posted 23/01/2012 at 17:09:58
Liam, I think we did gamble on getting into the Champion's League, not as big a stake as Leeds, but I think that was the strategy a few seasons ago. Obviously it failed, hence pay back time now.
James McPherson
32 Posted 23/01/2012 at 17:13:50
32 Posted 23/01/2012 at 17:13:50
Was time for Bily to go - think we all agree on that. Did not work out. However, it's one more player who falls into that 'unorthodox maverick' category that Moyes has seen off.
Is there one player of this ilk (i.e not consistently good but often capable of flashes that win games) that has prospered under Moyes?
Think we are seeing the affect on Coleman now. Naive worry-free youth player converted to robotic automaton inhibited by barked orders.
Think that players like Beardsley, Limpar, Kanchelskis, Nevin, Mckenzie, Thomas, Latchford, to name just a few would be taking the smae route out as Bily.
Is there one player of this ilk (i.e not consistently good but often capable of flashes that win games) that has prospered under Moyes?
Think we are seeing the affect on Coleman now. Naive worry-free youth player converted to robotic automaton inhibited by barked orders.
Think that players like Beardsley, Limpar, Kanchelskis, Nevin, Mckenzie, Thomas, Latchford, to name just a few would be taking the smae route out as Bily.
Tony J Williams
33 Posted 23/01/2012 at 17:21:10
33 Posted 23/01/2012 at 17:21:10
The money has now been ring-fenced.....Oh shit....
Robbie Riddal
34 Posted 23/01/2012 at 17:12:48
34 Posted 23/01/2012 at 17:12:48
Liam #134 "another few million off the debt" - I wouldn't be so sure. We've raked in £35M this last 12 months yet we're told the debt still stands at £45M, as it was 12 months ago. Elstone's trying to make us believe that £35M paid for Drenthe, McFadden, Stracqualursi, Hahnemann and Donovan (even tho between them they probably only cost £1M tops), plus new deals for Fellaini and Barkley. Whatever we get for Bily will probably pay for Neville's next new eight year contact!
Tony J Williams
35 Posted 23/01/2012 at 17:22:39
35 Posted 23/01/2012 at 17:22:39
"Think we are seeing the affect on Coleman now. Naive worry-free youth player converted to robotic automaton inhibited by barked orders" - How's that work then? A right back who has been pushed into being a winger. How is that head down and run been inhibited? He still does it, in fact that's all he does.
Don't let a couple of goals mask his limitations as a player
Don't let a couple of goals mask his limitations as a player
Paul Joy
36 Posted 23/01/2012 at 17:11:22
36 Posted 23/01/2012 at 17:11:22
Thats only one of the useless bastards gone and he did'nt get on the pitch against Blackburn FFS.
We have still got plenty more useless lazy bastards to spare - perhaps we should start making some bargain BOGOF offers.
Bily was garbage - in any position.
We have still got plenty more useless lazy bastards to spare - perhaps we should start making some bargain BOGOF offers.
Bily was garbage - in any position.
Anthony Jaras
37 Posted 23/01/2012 at 17:26:14
37 Posted 23/01/2012 at 17:26:14
Moyes will be able to sign a player far better with the cash, if he's allowed to have it of course.
Peter Webster
38 Posted 23/01/2012 at 17:28:40
38 Posted 23/01/2012 at 17:28:40
Good luck Bily, shame it didn't work out.
Neil Pickering
39 Posted 23/01/2012 at 17:30:36
39 Posted 23/01/2012 at 17:30:36
If this comes off then its a fantastic bit of business, as i personally thought we would be lucky to get £700 for him.
We should be asking whoever negotiated the price for Bily to sell the club, because we would be sold by tomorrow morning!
Goodbye Bily; nice lad but couldnt cut it. Dont let the door hit you on the way out..
We should be asking whoever negotiated the price for Bily to sell the club, because we would be sold by tomorrow morning!
Goodbye Bily; nice lad but couldnt cut it. Dont let the door hit you on the way out..
James McPherson
40 Posted 23/01/2012 at 17:27:10
40 Posted 23/01/2012 at 17:27:10
Ahh Tony J Williams, right on cue! Do you know what, I think you loathe the players as much as I (we) loathe Kenwright. Absolutely your prerogative of course.
For the record, I was not commenting on whether a player (like Coleman) is good or therwise on a consistent basis - just questioning the success rate of Moyes working with players who do things differently, bit of flair, bit of an edge, individuality..(you not what I mean Tony) and the difference in his tolerance levels when they inevitably make mistakes compared to "conformist" and "steady" players.
If you want another example...what would Moyes do with a character like Le Tissier (and no Tony...I am not saying Coleman is the equivalent)
For the record, I was not commenting on whether a player (like Coleman) is good or therwise on a consistent basis - just questioning the success rate of Moyes working with players who do things differently, bit of flair, bit of an edge, individuality..(you not what I mean Tony) and the difference in his tolerance levels when they inevitably make mistakes compared to "conformist" and "steady" players.
If you want another example...what would Moyes do with a character like Le Tissier (and no Tony...I am not saying Coleman is the equivalent)
Neil Pickering
41 Posted 23/01/2012 at 17:34:10
41 Posted 23/01/2012 at 17:34:10
Buy Hoilett and Rhodes with the cash!
Dan San
42 Posted 23/01/2012 at 17:34:34
42 Posted 23/01/2012 at 17:34:34
Perhaps a sign that next time we sign a player who has more that 3 syllables in his name we should make the effort to learn how to say his name, rather than the way it actually went:
EFC.com: "How do you say your name??" "oh well it doesnt matter because we've decided we're not going to make any effort to pronounce it like that even once ,we're just going to call you Bily, have a great debut"
gutted
EFC.com: "How do you say your name??" "oh well it doesnt matter because we've decided we're not going to make any effort to pronounce it like that even once ,we're just going to call you Bily, have a great debut"
gutted
Liam Reilly
43 Posted 23/01/2012 at 17:36:39
43 Posted 23/01/2012 at 17:36:39
Howard #138
I don't think we did gamble mate.. .wwe had the oppertunity when we unexpectedly finished 4th to take a punt, buy some players and try to get into the Group Stages.
What did we do, we got Phil Neville.
I don't think we did gamble mate.. .wwe had the oppertunity when we unexpectedly finished 4th to take a punt, buy some players and try to get into the Group Stages.
What did we do, we got Phil Neville.
Sean McKenna
44 Posted 23/01/2012 at 17:37:26
44 Posted 23/01/2012 at 17:37:26
If we get £4 million for him, that leaves £13 million for Moyes to splash since he still has the Arteta money's?
Not a chance; I can see us getting Onuaha and that Cerci dude, and that Buddle of joy, Eddie he is called I think... It's great to be a Blue, isn't it.
Not a chance; I can see us getting Onuaha and that Cerci dude, and that Buddle of joy, Eddie he is called I think... It's great to be a Blue, isn't it.
Sam Hoare
45 Posted 23/01/2012 at 17:41:06
45 Posted 23/01/2012 at 17:41:06
Buy Hoilett and Rhodes with the cash...unless we sold Billy for about 15m i think thats highly wishful thinking. And even then half of it would go to the bank.
I reckon we sold Billy for around 5-6m and of that half to bank and half on.......Nedum Onuha by the sounds of it. Not sure we need another defender, though think he's good value at 3m.
I reckon we sold Billy for around 5-6m and of that half to bank and half on.......Nedum Onuha by the sounds of it. Not sure we need another defender, though think he's good value at 3m.
Stephen Kenny
46 Posted 23/01/2012 at 17:49:03
46 Posted 23/01/2012 at 17:49:03
What a player Hoillett is. Well out of our price range, I think. Although I think he's nearly out of contract?
It looks like were having a go for Onouha. I can see why for the life of me. Is this Moyes caution trying to tighten the defence before sorting the attack?
It looks like were having a go for Onouha. I can see why for the life of me. Is this Moyes caution trying to tighten the defence before sorting the attack?
Sam Hoare
47 Posted 23/01/2012 at 17:57:11
47 Posted 23/01/2012 at 17:57:11
Stephen-yup. Bet he gets a CB before a striker. I do like Onuha but we need a striker more than anything.
Agree about Hoilett, if he does go it will be to Spurs, Newcastle or Liverpool sadly.
Agree about Hoilett, if he does go it will be to Spurs, Newcastle or Liverpool sadly.
Ste Blundell
48 Posted 23/01/2012 at 18:03:18
48 Posted 23/01/2012 at 18:03:18
Spartak's site translated.
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fspartak.com%2Fmain%2Fnews%2F20633%2F
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fspartak.com%2Fmain%2Fnews%2F20633%2F
Dave Lynch
49 Posted 23/01/2012 at 18:07:08
49 Posted 23/01/2012 at 18:07:08
Anyone get the feeling that this has been leaked before the club wanted to make it public ?
Last minute sale and no time to spend the money on new signings ?
What price a protracted sale, can't agree a fee and all that nonsense. Only for it to go through at the 12th hour and hey presto !
Money goes missing....
Last minute sale and no time to spend the money on new signings ?
What price a protracted sale, can't agree a fee and all that nonsense. Only for it to go through at the 12th hour and hey presto !
Money goes missing....
Robbie Riddal
50 Posted 23/01/2012 at 17:12:48
50 Posted 23/01/2012 at 17:12:48
Liam #134 "another few million off the debt" - I wouldn't be so sure. We've raked in £35M this last 12 months yet we're told the debt still stands at £45M, as it was 12 months ago. Elstone's trying to make us believe that £35M paid for Drenthe, McFadden, Stracqualursi, Hahnemann and Donovan (even tho between them they probably only cost £1M tops), plus new deals for Fellaini and Barkley. Whatever we get for Bily will probably pay for Neville's next new eight year contact!
Denis Richardson
51 Posted 23/01/2012 at 18:16:32
51 Posted 23/01/2012 at 18:16:32
7m, clucking bell, xmas has come early!!!
Now any chance of using that to get some players in who's contracts are near to running out? Rodellga, Krancjar?
Please dont blow it on another centre back!
Now any chance of using that to get some players in who's contracts are near to running out? Rodellga, Krancjar?
Please dont blow it on another centre back!
Brian Waring
52 Posted 23/01/2012 at 18:18:55
52 Posted 23/01/2012 at 18:18:55
I bet if everything goes through, it will be for an ' Undisclosed fee. '
Mike Rourke
53 Posted 23/01/2012 at 18:36:45
53 Posted 23/01/2012 at 18:36:45
£7million for Bily,eh?
Not quite as amazing as fetching £2.5million for Marcus Bent in the 'Money-for-old-skanky-shit-stained-rope' league, but pretty darn close.
Not quite as amazing as fetching £2.5million for Marcus Bent in the 'Money-for-old-skanky-shit-stained-rope' league, but pretty darn close.
Jeremy Benson
55 Posted 23/01/2012 at 18:41:36
55 Posted 23/01/2012 at 18:41:36
Not sure how I feel about this transfer.
On the one hand, we need the cash and hopefully the funds it generates/free's up (delete accordingly) might help us sign someone who can poke the ball in the net.
On the other, I can't help but feeling that we never saw the best of Bily, for whatever reason. A seasoned russian international (wasn't he recommended by hiddink?), with a good left foot shot, should really have done better. One of those annoying things, but I imagine he'll do very well for his new club.
On the one hand, we need the cash and hopefully the funds it generates/free's up (delete accordingly) might help us sign someone who can poke the ball in the net.
On the other, I can't help but feeling that we never saw the best of Bily, for whatever reason. A seasoned russian international (wasn't he recommended by hiddink?), with a good left foot shot, should really have done better. One of those annoying things, but I imagine he'll do very well for his new club.
Stephen Kenny
56 Posted 23/01/2012 at 18:45:05
56 Posted 23/01/2012 at 18:45:05
real fee = £7m
Disclosed fee = £2.5m???
Wouldn't suprise me one bit.
Disclosed fee = £2.5m???
Wouldn't suprise me one bit.
Derek Williams
57 Posted 23/01/2012 at 18:43:17
57 Posted 23/01/2012 at 18:43:17
Nobody can be anything but relieved including Bily himself - it didn't work out for him or for us but I'm still a bit sad about it, there's just been the odd (ok very odd) flash where you thought maybe, just maybe. He was always first to celebrate one of our increasingly rare goals with the scorer too, made me think he wanted it to work out better than it did. Still, nobody died eh, onwards and upwards.
Derek Williams
58 Posted 23/01/2012 at 18:43:17
58 Posted 23/01/2012 at 18:43:17
Nobody can be anything but relieved ? including Bily himself. It didn't work out for him or for us but I'm still a bit sad about it, there's just been the odd (okay, very odd) flash where you thought maybe, just maybe.
He was always first to celebrate one of our increasingly rare goals with the scorer too; made me think he wanted it to work out better than it did.
Still, nobody died, eh... onwards and upwards.
He was always first to celebrate one of our increasingly rare goals with the scorer too; made me think he wanted it to work out better than it did.
Still, nobody died, eh... onwards and upwards.
Nelly Verdonghan
59 Posted 23/01/2012 at 18:49:09
59 Posted 23/01/2012 at 18:49:09
Fee alledgedly £2.5mil....WTF...£7.5mil loss....but not that bothered as he is shite and I like many others will be glad to see the back of him.
Yet ANOTHER of our great (NOT !!) manager's big money failings
Yet ANOTHER of our great (NOT !!) manager's big money failings
Paul Melarange
60 Posted 23/01/2012 at 18:51:51
60 Posted 23/01/2012 at 18:51:51
Be interesting to see how much Moyes gets to buy at least 1 player hopefully a striker before transfer window shuts or will it be going the bank? Maybe Saha can share a lift with bily to the airport and jump on the same plane!
Steve Smith
61 Posted 23/01/2012 at 18:54:56
61 Posted 23/01/2012 at 18:54:56
I wish him all the best for the future, Moyes did play him ONCE in centre mid, just to prove to us he wasn't a centre mid player, can't say fairer than that can you?
I'll always remember his goal against Man U to bring us back into the game, a fantastic day that seems such a long time ago now.
I'll always remember his goal against Man U to bring us back into the game, a fantastic day that seems such a long time ago now.
John Keating
62 Posted 23/01/2012 at 18:52:48
62 Posted 23/01/2012 at 18:52:48
IF ??? Mandaric and Arry are at it with the bungs you can be assured a lot more clubs will be keeping their heads down. Now I'm not suggesting for one minute that anyone at our club would stoop so low as to do the same and if Kenwright comes out and assures us he's squeeky clean then of course being the honest chap he is we would believe him immediately.
I'm sure all Russian club owners are as honourable as Bill and if the fee is 2.5 mill and not a penny more then thats what it is.
I can't believe anyone would insinuate that there may be improprieties in the transfer.
I personnally would have give him away for nowt just to get him off the wage bill.
A complete duff of a waster and not fit - like a few others - to wear the shirt !
I'm sure all Russian club owners are as honourable as Bill and if the fee is 2.5 mill and not a penny more then thats what it is.
I can't believe anyone would insinuate that there may be improprieties in the transfer.
I personnally would have give him away for nowt just to get him off the wage bill.
A complete duff of a waster and not fit - like a few others - to wear the shirt !
Richard Tarleton
63 Posted 23/01/2012 at 19:01:33
63 Posted 23/01/2012 at 19:01:33
Shame for him. Like Arshavin, he couldn't really cope with the "cover every blade of grass" mentality that is essential in the English Premier midfield. I hope he does well back in Russia , there were glimpses of ability and skill.
Mark Wilson
64 Posted 23/01/2012 at 18:44:52
64 Posted 23/01/2012 at 18:44:52
I think the last few posts here are close to the truth of this Billy sale stuff. I'm sure we didn't want this to come out but not because the money, and it's hardly a fortune is it, was about to go to Barclays, but with so little to spend Moyes needs max negotiating power and letting some league one side know how much u just got for a hugely disappointing Russian isn't clever a few days before the deadline.
I doubt it's as low as 2.5m but nowhere near 7m. So the Echo's £4m will I suspect be spot on. 500k already gone on Gibson and another £1m loan fee for Cerci ? So all of 2.5m and that looks, bizarrely, like being earmarked for a centre back who, I think could be a very good capture, if he arrives, but....it's just not what we need is it.
Another depressing day in thevtransfervwindow but you never know things might get better by Friday.
I doubt it's as low as 2.5m but nowhere near 7m. So the Echo's £4m will I suspect be spot on. 500k already gone on Gibson and another £1m loan fee for Cerci ? So all of 2.5m and that looks, bizarrely, like being earmarked for a centre back who, I think could be a very good capture, if he arrives, but....it's just not what we need is it.
Another depressing day in thevtransfervwindow but you never know things might get better by Friday.
Colin Prendergast
65 Posted 23/01/2012 at 19:06:46
65 Posted 23/01/2012 at 19:06:46
Billy has been a big flop no two ways about it. So was Koldrup and a good few others.But - and I'm no Moyes apologist - but there have been a good few successes. Jagielka, Cahill, Fellaini, Lescott etc. And lets be honest when you're mooching around in the £3-10m market it's not easy. For every Ronaldo or Nani there's a Bebe, Diouf, Diou, Cheyrou. It's not just Moyes who pays over and sells under, it's most managers. It 's just harder to take and gets noticed more when you've got less money and a smaller squad.
Look at Sunderland, Villa, Blackburn, Bolton etc all clubs operating in same part of market as us - they're not awash with success stories either.
I really think there's a significant decline in quality world-wide especially with players who are able to hit the ground running.
Look at Sunderland, Villa, Blackburn, Bolton etc all clubs operating in same part of market as us - they're not awash with success stories either.
I really think there's a significant decline in quality world-wide especially with players who are able to hit the ground running.
Brian Waring
66 Posted 23/01/2012 at 19:18:36
66 Posted 23/01/2012 at 19:18:36
Colin, for what we paid for Fellaini I wouldn't consider him a success yet. He has shown glimpses of what he can do, but for me he still has to prove why we paid what we did for him.
Nick Millington
67 Posted 23/01/2012 at 19:21:07
67 Posted 23/01/2012 at 19:21:07
Won't get a penny of the money to spend on new players. Fairly soon Kenright and Moyes will be the only ones left.
Thomas Windsor
68 Posted 23/01/2012 at 19:19:22
68 Posted 23/01/2012 at 19:19:22
Maybe he's best off back in Russia as he has been shite here ? 7 million rubles more like...
Chris Sudall
69 Posted 23/01/2012 at 19:16:28
69 Posted 23/01/2012 at 19:16:28
I love the way every little thing on here is used to get on Moyes' back.
I think he did a pretty fair job with our former flair players Pienaar and Arteta. Both snapped up for bargain prices.
Let's just hope he does get at least a bit of that money to spend.
I think he did a pretty fair job with our former flair players Pienaar and Arteta. Both snapped up for bargain prices.
Let's just hope he does get at least a bit of that money to spend.
John Campbell
70 Posted 23/01/2012 at 19:21:23
70 Posted 23/01/2012 at 19:21:23
Billy sold on the cheap. Yak leaving for pennies. Vaughan nearly a free be. Seems to be a theme emerging. Saha is firing though so all is not lost
Andy Crooks
71 Posted 23/01/2012 at 19:18:29
71 Posted 23/01/2012 at 19:18:29
I have much to say against David Moyes but I've never slated his transfer dealings. If we get £5 million for Bily,then fair enough. The reason it went wrong for him is open to debate but what is turning out to be a mistake is being dealt with.
Strange as it may seem ,in my view the sale of Koldrup was strong management. A mistake made,acknowledged and dealt with decisively. When you have no money transfer dealings come under much scrutiny and I think Moyes has done okay. To slate him for everything only devalues valid criticism.Where will the money go?
Strange as it may seem ,in my view the sale of Koldrup was strong management. A mistake made,acknowledged and dealt with decisively. When you have no money transfer dealings come under much scrutiny and I think Moyes has done okay. To slate him for everything only devalues valid criticism.Where will the money go?
Steve Pugh
72 Posted 23/01/2012 at 19:26:54
72 Posted 23/01/2012 at 19:26:54
I love the way lots of figures are bandied around, but people seem to jump at the lowest they can find. Then whinge that he's been sold on the cheap, especially when some TWers value him at anything between £20 and £700. Compared to that £5.8m is really good negotiating. Barclays will be pleased
Paul Carr
73 Posted 23/01/2012 at 19:28:42
73 Posted 23/01/2012 at 19:28:42
We must spend the money on Jordan Rhodes.
As we are playing on the evening of the 31st we may be spared the usual last minute drama of waiting to see which player has just asked to leave us for "footballing reasons".
As we are playing on the evening of the 31st we may be spared the usual last minute drama of waiting to see which player has just asked to leave us for "footballing reasons".
Keith Glazzard
74 Posted 23/01/2012 at 19:33:10
74 Posted 23/01/2012 at 19:33:10
I hope for the player this is true. I like him, and if I had had my own team would welcome him. Moyes never knew what to do with him.
Colin Prendergast
75 Posted 23/01/2012 at 19:28:53
75 Posted 23/01/2012 at 19:28:53
Ok Brian, don't overly disagree but think we'd certainly get our money back on him if not a bitmore - well, if we weren't so blatantly desperate for cash. I'd also like to see him do more, especially in relation to urgency and not slowing the game up. But as Chris adds Arteta, Pienarr are others he's done well with. More so than most if not all managers in his time. That's not to say I'm agreeing with his inflexible tactics and 'style' of play though.
Gerard Carroll
76 Posted 23/01/2012 at 19:45:48
76 Posted 23/01/2012 at 19:45:48
The initial fee (9m) paid for bily was that paid in installments? do we owe anything off that still? 5.8mill seems a bit too good to be true!!????
Joe Bibb
77 Posted 23/01/2012 at 19:53:58
77 Posted 23/01/2012 at 19:53:58
£7 million that will be enough to replace the blades on the Lawn Mowers
David Moore
78 Posted 23/01/2012 at 19:54:31
78 Posted 23/01/2012 at 19:54:31
i hope he can kick start his career again, it was a frustratrating spell for all of us, but must have been even moreso for him. I always liked him in the team, he just wasn't played properly by moyes, is any attacking player? i woner if we can use tha tmoney for that spoting kid
Mick Gallagher
79 Posted 23/01/2012 at 20:04:09
79 Posted 23/01/2012 at 20:04:09
I wonder if Spartak play him in the position he played for Lokomotiv and his country when we bought him.
Jimmy Sørheim
80 Posted 23/01/2012 at 18:26:26
80 Posted 23/01/2012 at 18:26:26
With Bily it is a case of getting a decent fee, we are desperate so who knows how much he will go for.
I doubt Moyes will be able to spend it all on new players.
We need a striker like the desert needs the rain.
Moyes can not justify spending money on a defender when it is crystal clear our problem lies elsewhere.
I doubt Moyes will be able to spend it all on new players.
We need a striker like the desert needs the rain.
Moyes can not justify spending money on a defender when it is crystal clear our problem lies elsewhere.
John Keating
81 Posted 23/01/2012 at 20:08:47
81 Posted 23/01/2012 at 20:08:47
Mick. When he played for Lokomotiv and when he plays for the national team he played/plays wide most of the time.
Sometimes you just have to accept that in the Premier League he is absolute shite.
All this crap about playing him out of position was nonsense. He made Phil Neville look good on the ball !
Sometimes you just have to accept that in the Premier League he is absolute shite.
All this crap about playing him out of position was nonsense. He made Phil Neville look good on the ball !
Mick Gallagher
82 Posted 23/01/2012 at 20:16:43
82 Posted 23/01/2012 at 20:16:43
He never cut it in the prem give you that John but he still is a decent player and I hope he does well back there Still remember him for the goals against the Manc's and Pompey. Think that was the last time we had a shot from distance.
Gavin Ramejkis
83 Posted 23/01/2012 at 20:22:37
83 Posted 23/01/2012 at 20:22:37
Will Moyes get any of the money?
Will Moyes piss it away on another player we don't need - a keeper, a defender or a defensive midfielder?
Will Moyes piss it away on another player we don't need - a keeper, a defender or a defensive midfielder?
Roberto Birquet
84 Posted 23/01/2012 at 20:25:25
84 Posted 23/01/2012 at 20:25:25
Billy to Spartak Moscow for £7m...you heard it here first
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Actually I read it on the Echo's website. but it says just £2.5 million. If it's £5.8 million, it's good business.
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Actually I read it on the Echo's website. but it says just £2.5 million. If it's £5.8 million, it's good business.
Garry Martin
85 Posted 23/01/2012 at 20:23:48
85 Posted 23/01/2012 at 20:23:48
" Of course we all know the money is going to the bank" ..........wait for it or some other cracker of a statement.
John Keating
86 Posted 23/01/2012 at 20:28:30
86 Posted 23/01/2012 at 20:28:30
Bily ? McFadden ? They say things happen in threes' Please let the third be Evertons biggest supporter !!
Dick Fearon
87 Posted 23/01/2012 at 20:32:53
87 Posted 23/01/2012 at 20:32:53
I am saying nothing that might, even in the tiniest of ways have any influence on the sale of Bily but please God, let it be.
Russell Buckley
88 Posted 23/01/2012 at 20:40:42
88 Posted 23/01/2012 at 20:40:42
Only enjoying this news if all of the money is available to Moyes. We can't afford to lose players and not replace them given the size of our squad.
Russell Buckley
89 Posted 23/01/2012 at 20:43:55
89 Posted 23/01/2012 at 20:43:55
Need the money but I always liked Bily, wish him well and thank him for some cracking goals. The finish against Portsmouth still rates as one of the best I've seen.
Denis Richardson
90 Posted 23/01/2012 at 19:47:17
90 Posted 23/01/2012 at 19:47:17
Sorry Colin, but the myth of Moyes being good in the transfer market IMO is just that, a myth. At best he has done average. Yes he brought in the likes of Cahill, Arteta (both around 7 years ago!) and Pienaar for little money.
Flip the coin and on the other side we have; Koldrup (5m), Billy (9m), Nyarko (4.5m-remember him?), Fellaini (15m - never worth that IMO), Davies (3.5m), Alexanderson (3.5m), Shandy Andy etc
Yes, some great buys but also some utter turds. Net net, done average but far from a magician.
In saying the above, there are few managers who are 'magicians' in the transfer market. Man U have a great youth system and Arsenal pinch all the kids with potential from around Europe, so some of them are bound to turn out great so Wengers reputation is also abut OTT.
Just my opinion.
Flip the coin and on the other side we have; Koldrup (5m), Billy (9m), Nyarko (4.5m-remember him?), Fellaini (15m - never worth that IMO), Davies (3.5m), Alexanderson (3.5m), Shandy Andy etc
Yes, some great buys but also some utter turds. Net net, done average but far from a magician.
In saying the above, there are few managers who are 'magicians' in the transfer market. Man U have a great youth system and Arsenal pinch all the kids with potential from around Europe, so some of them are bound to turn out great so Wengers reputation is also abut OTT.
Just my opinion.
Brian Waring
91 Posted 23/01/2012 at 20:58:34
91 Posted 23/01/2012 at 20:58:34
Gerard (#216) makes a good point on whether we still owe money to Lokomotiv.
Denis Richardson
92 Posted 23/01/2012 at 21:02:25
92 Posted 23/01/2012 at 21:02:25
Maybe being unfair to Moyes, cannot remmeber if he brought Nyarko in or not. Did he?
Denis Richardson
93 Posted 23/01/2012 at 21:06:14
93 Posted 23/01/2012 at 21:06:14
Ok Alexanderson was Smith as well not Moyes - still you get my drift...
Danny Broderick
94 Posted 23/01/2012 at 21:09:48
94 Posted 23/01/2012 at 21:09:48
Fantastic news! Best I have heard in ages. We have surely got to get someone in with the money from this transfer.
Dean Adams
96 Posted 23/01/2012 at 21:04:21
96 Posted 23/01/2012 at 21:04:21
noun . 1. a person or thing that supports. 2. an adherent, follower, backer, or advocate
So who on here feels this applies to them!
I hate the crap we play, the lack of tactics and obviously the sheer lack of money. Yes we have been crap this season, many of our players not performing and ultimately that comes down to the manager.
Things are bad, but there are numerous other clubs who have never been and probably never will be as good as we are. Moyes needs to get his head out of his arse, but lets see what he manages to achieve in this window and subsequently the rest of the season. Will we go down? Well for me if we as supporters cant be positive about the club we love, then how do we expect a bunch of players who do not love the club to keeep us up. It is just becoming a self serving prophesy at the moment. Why cant the fans roar their favourite players names out for 45 minutes. If they did then Moyes would feel the pressure and maybe wake up from his doom filled slumber.
So who on here feels this applies to them!
I hate the crap we play, the lack of tactics and obviously the sheer lack of money. Yes we have been crap this season, many of our players not performing and ultimately that comes down to the manager.
Things are bad, but there are numerous other clubs who have never been and probably never will be as good as we are. Moyes needs to get his head out of his arse, but lets see what he manages to achieve in this window and subsequently the rest of the season. Will we go down? Well for me if we as supporters cant be positive about the club we love, then how do we expect a bunch of players who do not love the club to keeep us up. It is just becoming a self serving prophesy at the moment. Why cant the fans roar their favourite players names out for 45 minutes. If they did then Moyes would feel the pressure and maybe wake up from his doom filled slumber.
Kevin Tully
97 Posted 23/01/2012 at 21:15:50
97 Posted 23/01/2012 at 21:15:50
After all the porkies coming from the masters of spin, would you put it past them to tell the L'pool Echo we are only getting £2.5m.
Think about it, after the Arteta affair the last thing they want is for supporters to think they have another £5m in the bank.
Just waiting for Bobby to say we have already allocated the money bulk buying bog rolls and light bulbs from Costco.
Think about it, after the Arteta affair the last thing they want is for supporters to think they have another £5m in the bank.
Just waiting for Bobby to say we have already allocated the money bulk buying bog rolls and light bulbs from Costco.
Neil Duffy
98 Posted 23/01/2012 at 21:31:46
98 Posted 23/01/2012 at 21:31:46
Aiden McGeady to join Everton, I have just been told. thats what some guy on facebook just put.
James Morgan
99 Posted 23/01/2012 at 21:09:30
99 Posted 23/01/2012 at 21:09:30
He will look great back in the sub standard Russian league, they simply don't cut it over here. Bily, Zhirkov, Pavlyuchenko and Arshavin just can't handle the pace of the PL, the hustle and bustle eventually gets to them.
Hopefully this Wigan wanting McFadden rumour is true and if they cover us for the wages while he has been here I'll be slightly content, why we need 4 left sided midfielders is beyond me (granted they can play in a couple of positions).
Maybe if a pig flys by the window and we get some of the cash, it would be interesting to see if we go for Cerci from Fiorentina, although isn't he a left footer?
Maybe a punt on Rodallega would be worth a shot...or am I slightly dreaming?
Hopefully this Wigan wanting McFadden rumour is true and if they cover us for the wages while he has been here I'll be slightly content, why we need 4 left sided midfielders is beyond me (granted they can play in a couple of positions).
Maybe if a pig flys by the window and we get some of the cash, it would be interesting to see if we go for Cerci from Fiorentina, although isn't he a left footer?
Maybe a punt on Rodallega would be worth a shot...or am I slightly dreaming?
Stephen Kenny
100 Posted 23/01/2012 at 21:38:35
100 Posted 23/01/2012 at 21:38:35
Just to clarify I was talking more about money not being re-invested rather than Bill being a tea leaf.
Colin Prendergast
101 Posted 23/01/2012 at 21:44:23
101 Posted 23/01/2012 at 21:44:23
Denis - i think we're agreeing? I didn't mean to imply he was a magician, just that as well as some shit buys there's also been some very good ones. And my point was more that he's done better than most in that area of the market, which i think is not the easiest to pull off success in
Peter Laing
102 Posted 23/01/2012 at 21:40:05
102 Posted 23/01/2012 at 21:40:05
Elstone's next blog will read something like " The £2.5 million received from Moscow will be paid in installments. The board of directors have sanctioned the move and the finances will be ringfenced to repair the escalators in the main stand, replace the carpet in the chairman's office as he has worn the last one threadbare pacing up and down in his 24/7 search for investment, and the 'other' operating costs like lawnmowers, food, dubbin and deep-heat.
Stephen Kenny
103 Posted 23/01/2012 at 21:51:07
103 Posted 23/01/2012 at 21:51:07
If this goes through we can go out and make a big buy that will really make a difference to how we play the game.
£2.15m worth of Lawnmowers.
£2.15m worth of Lawnmowers.
Colin Prendergast
104 Posted 23/01/2012 at 21:54:28
104 Posted 23/01/2012 at 21:54:28
they'll be quicker over the grass than all of our strikers..
John Shaw
105 Posted 23/01/2012 at 21:50:02
105 Posted 23/01/2012 at 21:50:02
If I'm right, when you sign a player from abroad it is usual to pay the fee over the life of the initial contract, hence Elstones recent blog that we have spent £35 million in the last 5 years, even though we all know we haven't signed a player for a fee since 2009, until Gibson. If that is the case we probably still owe about £4.5 million to Lokomotiv for Bily, good luck to Davey Moyes getting any money out of this deal !!!!!! I wonder if that's were the difference between the two figures, £7 mill and £2.5 mill comes from ?!?!?!?!
Andy Lee
106 Posted 23/01/2012 at 21:51:18
106 Posted 23/01/2012 at 21:51:18
I think Moyes has done well with some transfers and not so well.with others. problem with Bily was that he should have realised that he couldn't cut it ages ago and moved him on like beattie and kroldrup. now his value has gone down and we won't get much at all.
It's ok saying how moyes has not had any money, but he wasted most of the lescott cash except for Distin. it has also been his choice to keep giving better contracts to our ageing stars instead of moving them on and getting a fee for them. you have to work within your means and if this meant selling Neville last year and saha before,then so be it as long as we get decent money. now we won't get a bean for Neville, saha and Cahill!
It's ok saying how moyes has not had any money, but he wasted most of the lescott cash except for Distin. it has also been his choice to keep giving better contracts to our ageing stars instead of moving them on and getting a fee for them. you have to work within your means and if this meant selling Neville last year and saha before,then so be it as long as we get decent money. now we won't get a bean for Neville, saha and Cahill!
Dean Adams
107 Posted 23/01/2012 at 21:56:43
107 Posted 23/01/2012 at 21:56:43
We have slow players. Its because of all the lagging. Those burst pipes will haunt us for years.
Stephen Kenny
108 Posted 23/01/2012 at 22:00:51
108 Posted 23/01/2012 at 22:00:51
And a cut above the midfield....
David Bridge
109 Posted 23/01/2012 at 22:12:47
109 Posted 23/01/2012 at 22:12:47
Sell him for 2m before the Russians have chance to see how poor a player he really is!
Colin Gee
110 Posted 23/01/2012 at 22:25:37
110 Posted 23/01/2012 at 22:25:37
Billy has got talent but for whatever reason it just hasn't worked out for him at Everton, I wish him well.
McFadden to Wigan?
I live nearby so i'll come and pick him up at Finch Farm in the morning and drive him there for free.
If the banks don't get the money first I would ask 'Arry how much for Niko Kranjcar.
McFadden to Wigan?
I live nearby so i'll come and pick him up at Finch Farm in the morning and drive him there for free.
If the banks don't get the money first I would ask 'Arry how much for Niko Kranjcar.
Bobby Thomas
111 Posted 23/01/2012 at 22:48:21
111 Posted 23/01/2012 at 22:48:21
Kranjcar is talented and would definitely help the football. But he isnt exactly quick and he can be a bit of a lazy bastard. Isnt the best off the ball as well.
Actually hes a much better version of Billy. Clever player, nice passer, vision awareness. Less hard working than Piennar but a few more goals in him. Baines would be made up to see him.
We are at the stage where virtually anyone would freshen it up. But i would much prefer it to be someone who can play and has some pace. Donovan will be off soon. Even though it may have been a game in succession too far on the weekend, he looked leggy and his touch was well off, you can see the difference the option makes.
But we have got to get some pace in the side up top as well. Get those 2 options in and we will be fine, despite how shit we have been lately. Stays as it is and we will be in trouble.
Actually hes a much better version of Billy. Clever player, nice passer, vision awareness. Less hard working than Piennar but a few more goals in him. Baines would be made up to see him.
We are at the stage where virtually anyone would freshen it up. But i would much prefer it to be someone who can play and has some pace. Donovan will be off soon. Even though it may have been a game in succession too far on the weekend, he looked leggy and his touch was well off, you can see the difference the option makes.
But we have got to get some pace in the side up top as well. Get those 2 options in and we will be fine, despite how shit we have been lately. Stays as it is and we will be in trouble.
Jamie Tulacz
112 Posted 23/01/2012 at 23:06:38
112 Posted 23/01/2012 at 23:06:38
About £5m according to the Guardian.http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/jan/23/everton-agree-diniyar-bilyaletdinov-transfer
Seems a bit more likely to me than £2.5m but who knows, we've spent £35m in the past 5 years according to Elstone which is news to most people!
Surely we've got to hope that some of this goes on new players, I'm not holding my breath as always though. Desperately need a striker, I'm not holding my breath on that being our first buy either
Seems a bit more likely to me than £2.5m but who knows, we've spent £35m in the past 5 years according to Elstone which is news to most people!
Surely we've got to hope that some of this goes on new players, I'm not holding my breath as always though. Desperately need a striker, I'm not holding my breath on that being our first buy either
Adrian Seal
113 Posted 23/01/2012 at 23:14:27
113 Posted 23/01/2012 at 23:14:27
Good luck to Bily but he just didn't have what it takes for the Premiership.
I'm now praying to any God that will listen that we get a decent striker in with the cash!
Now please get rid of Saha (total waste of space and no injury excuses anymore!).
I'm now praying to any God that will listen that we get a decent striker in with the cash!
Now please get rid of Saha (total waste of space and no injury excuses anymore!).
Russell Buckley
114 Posted 23/01/2012 at 23:13:20
114 Posted 23/01/2012 at 23:13:20
Kranjcar would be perfect for me but we have a snow balls chance. Harry has said before he wants good money for him and we still don't have that even if we get rid of Bily.
Not pretty when we woudl struggle to sign one moderately expensive player. In truth we need about 10 players to have a solid and competitive squad.
Not pretty when we woudl struggle to sign one moderately expensive player. In truth we need about 10 players to have a solid and competitive squad.
Ian Smitham
115 Posted 23/01/2012 at 23:36:44
115 Posted 23/01/2012 at 23:36:44
Mister Andy Crooks, respect to you if I may.I read your posts on here and you are indeed a critic of Mr Moyes, you have your views and others thiers. Your comments above demonstrate you are at least trying to be objective. Denis above, have a quick look at yours. Drivel. Credibility-nil.
Rob Hollis
116 Posted 23/01/2012 at 23:49:42
116 Posted 23/01/2012 at 23:49:42
Nobody will convince me that he would not have made a better job of the Cahill position in the last twelve months than Tim has.
A genuine talent given the Moyes treatment. Good luck to him, he would have been bored to death with the rest of us otherwise.
A genuine talent given the Moyes treatment. Good luck to him, he would have been bored to death with the rest of us otherwise.
Roman Sidey
117 Posted 23/01/2012 at 23:17:09
117 Posted 23/01/2012 at 23:17:09
Massive waste. Could have been great but never given an extended chance in his position, unlike most of the other shit heaps we have on the pitch week in, week out.
John Roberts
118 Posted 23/01/2012 at 23:54:22
118 Posted 23/01/2012 at 23:54:22
Week early for Billy Bullshitter to sell! THINGS MUST BE BAD!! But then again... it's the Blue Union meeting on Wednesday! So more promises will be spouted!! Anything to discredit/distract the meeting! I suppose we just have to watch/wait for Moyes to spend the £500k... lol
And good luck to Russian Bily!
And good luck to Russian Bily!
Roberto Birquet
119 Posted 24/01/2012 at 00:17:38
119 Posted 24/01/2012 at 00:17:38
Denis 244
Nyarko (£4.5m-remember him?), Fellaini (£15m - never worth that IMO), Davies (£3.5m), Alexanderson (£3.5m),
You got two of them wrong; Nyarko and Alexandersson were Smith.
And you're wrong about Fellaini. Probably our best player. Some just don't see it. He stops the other team, gets possession for us, starts moves. Simple and extremely valuable. I was hoping for a midfield of him, Arteta, Donovan and Pienaar. That woulda been great.
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Nigel Martyn, Baines, Lescott, Jags, Neville (yeah, even), Felli, Pienaar, Arteta, Cahill, Yak, Johnson. Best buys (so no Rooney, Rodwell etc) for a team? Probably. £57million, is about £5 million per player average. Although admittedly, there'd be another CM, and one fewer striker...but Carsley was already here, Osman thru the ranks...struggling here...
Nyarko (£4.5m-remember him?), Fellaini (£15m - never worth that IMO), Davies (£3.5m), Alexanderson (£3.5m),
You got two of them wrong; Nyarko and Alexandersson were Smith.
And you're wrong about Fellaini. Probably our best player. Some just don't see it. He stops the other team, gets possession for us, starts moves. Simple and extremely valuable. I was hoping for a midfield of him, Arteta, Donovan and Pienaar. That woulda been great.
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Nigel Martyn, Baines, Lescott, Jags, Neville (yeah, even), Felli, Pienaar, Arteta, Cahill, Yak, Johnson. Best buys (so no Rooney, Rodwell etc) for a team? Probably. £57million, is about £5 million per player average. Although admittedly, there'd be another CM, and one fewer striker...but Carsley was already here, Osman thru the ranks...struggling here...
Roberto Birquet
120 Posted 24/01/2012 at 00:26:38
120 Posted 24/01/2012 at 00:26:38
I might expect people go for their worst 11 buys team, but am trying NY res of bottle half full thinking...
Gerard Carroll
121 Posted 24/01/2012 at 00:28:49
121 Posted 24/01/2012 at 00:28:49
Look on the bright side, we have'nt spent nowhere near as much as them across the park and they really are a load of crap!!
Paul Holmes
122 Posted 24/01/2012 at 01:10:11
122 Posted 24/01/2012 at 01:10:11
Moyes will probably buy another Man Utd reserve player, the rest of the league say they are playing Man Utd Reserves instead of Everton. For fuck's sake, Moyes!
Roman Sidey
123 Posted 24/01/2012 at 01:22:35
123 Posted 24/01/2012 at 01:22:35
Roberto, if you think spending £15m on Fellaini was wise then you go ahead thinking that. How many games has he played where we've actually won? For a team like Everton, a record signing should be nothing but game changing. Maro is not this.
Nick Millington
124 Posted 24/01/2012 at 01:21:44
124 Posted 24/01/2012 at 01:21:44
No chance whatsoever of signing McGeedy, as I said, won't see a penny of this money. All gone downhill since 2009, thanks Bily for some fond memories, my favourite the goal against Wolves. For the record my best and worst teams: Howard, Heitinga, Baines, Jags, Distin, Carsley, Cahill, Arteta, Pienaar, Yakubu, Johnson.
Turner, Neville, Naysmith, Krøldrup, Lescott (for obvious reasons), Davies, Claus Thomsen (remember him), Kilbane, Van der Meyde, Anichebe and of course SAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Think Moyes has done well the last decade up until this season, need a fresh approach.
Turner, Neville, Naysmith, Krøldrup, Lescott (for obvious reasons), Davies, Claus Thomsen (remember him), Kilbane, Van der Meyde, Anichebe and of course SAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Think Moyes has done well the last decade up until this season, need a fresh approach.
Russell Buckley
125 Posted 24/01/2012 at 04:38:08
125 Posted 24/01/2012 at 04:38:08
I think most of us agree the key spots to address at the moment are a play making mid, a winger and solid striker.
I'd take the solid striker first but doubt we will get that. Really need a winger that can fit in with Baines or at the very least sign Royston up.
Osman can play attacking football but with repsect to him we need a better version like Arteta was in his best form.
Sadly the fee for Bily isn't going to cover all of that. We need at least 20 million.
I'd take the solid striker first but doubt we will get that. Really need a winger that can fit in with Baines or at the very least sign Royston up.
Osman can play attacking football but with repsect to him we need a better version like Arteta was in his best form.
Sadly the fee for Bily isn't going to cover all of that. We need at least 20 million.
Tony Cheek
126 Posted 24/01/2012 at 05:33:32
126 Posted 24/01/2012 at 05:33:32
Roberto #306....I agree about all the good things you say about Felli, but for 15 mill you would think he could create a chance or two for our strikers now and then, or what?
Peter Barry
127 Posted 24/01/2012 at 06:10:26
127 Posted 24/01/2012 at 06:10:26
The fee is being quoted as £2.5 mill how typical for Everton buy high sell low no wonder we're broke. Look at Piennar who dingy Barrow Boy tax dodger 'arry paid £3 M for and who he wants £5.5 M for a year later after hardly even giving him a game.
David Barks
128 Posted 24/01/2012 at 06:16:53
128 Posted 24/01/2012 at 06:16:53
Peter,
Way to pick one example and disregard all other history that would contradict your point. Everton buying players for relatively cheap and selling them for a decent amount is actually one area where we've done quite well. Lescott, Johnson, Arteta spring to mind pretty quickly. What was it 5 million for Lescott and sold for around 25 million. Got around 10 million for AJ, and the same for Arteta. Hardly the reason we're broke.
Way to pick one example and disregard all other history that would contradict your point. Everton buying players for relatively cheap and selling them for a decent amount is actually one area where we've done quite well. Lescott, Johnson, Arteta spring to mind pretty quickly. What was it 5 million for Lescott and sold for around 25 million. Got around 10 million for AJ, and the same for Arteta. Hardly the reason we're broke.
Peter Barry
129 Posted 24/01/2012 at 06:15:23
129 Posted 24/01/2012 at 06:15:23
I doubt if we will ever see the TRUE size of the fee until a release of the accounts makes it impossible to hide. Until then dont hope that any money will find its way to a transfer kitty or that if it did it will go on anything except another slow useless midfielder or more likely a defender. Davey cant have enough defenders to play the negative defensive dross he serves up every week.
Sam Hoare
130 Posted 24/01/2012 at 06:38:04
130 Posted 24/01/2012 at 06:38:04
Peter, are you totally unaware that pienaar was in the last 6 months of his contract hence reduced fee.
Also only one of about 10 sources estimate the billy fee to be less than 5m. How convenient of you to select that source to suit your bashing. Sad really.
Also only one of about 10 sources estimate the billy fee to be less than 5m. How convenient of you to select that source to suit your bashing. Sad really.
Paul Gladwell
131 Posted 24/01/2012 at 06:54:38
131 Posted 24/01/2012 at 06:54:38
Peter,if they can hide £24M I am sure an extra couple more won't be a problem.
Jeremy Benson
132 Posted 24/01/2012 at 07:13:17
132 Posted 24/01/2012 at 07:13:17
Sam,
I'm constantly amazed at the comments about piennar going for little money and harry now selling for more, when the facts are, as you state, that his reduced fee was the result of an imminent contract running out.
Sadly, this seems to escape a lot of people.
I'm constantly amazed at the comments about piennar going for little money and harry now selling for more, when the facts are, as you state, that his reduced fee was the result of an imminent contract running out.
Sadly, this seems to escape a lot of people.
Jeremy Benson
133 Posted 24/01/2012 at 07:18:00
133 Posted 24/01/2012 at 07:18:00
As already mentioned above, we probably still owed some money on the original deal, so I'm not sure whether this will free up any "real" transfer funds.
However, one thing it certainly will do is free-up wages. Bily must have been on a decent wage, I'd have thought he'd be one of the top earners.
However, one thing it certainly will do is free-up wages. Bily must have been on a decent wage, I'd have thought he'd be one of the top earners.
Ste Traverse
134 Posted 24/01/2012 at 07:35:08
134 Posted 24/01/2012 at 07:35:08
Yet another attacking player the so-called 'Moyesiah' has failed to get the best out of....
Sam Hoare
135 Posted 24/01/2012 at 08:22:49
135 Posted 24/01/2012 at 08:22:49
Ste- whereas Wenger, Redknapp and Mourinho really got the best out of Arshavin, Pavyluchenko and Zhirkov....
Premier league is no go for Russians clearly. But you just blame Moyes. He is responsible for everything after all.
Premier league is no go for Russians clearly. But you just blame Moyes. He is responsible for everything after all.
Neil Pickering
136 Posted 24/01/2012 at 08:22:01
136 Posted 24/01/2012 at 08:22:01
Come on now, lets be fair! Although i think Moyes time at Everton is up i think his record in the transfer market is pretty good. I can only think of a few complete duffers that he has signed over the years, and when he has made a mistake we have pretty much recovered all of the respective transfer fee.
Bily is only 1 of a few that haven't worked, and although i don't have the stats i wouldnt mind betting Moyes has the best record out of all the managers with regards to picking out bargains and not wasting the precious cash he has been given.
Using the money wisely is not the issue i have with Moyes.
Bily is only 1 of a few that haven't worked, and although i don't have the stats i wouldnt mind betting Moyes has the best record out of all the managers with regards to picking out bargains and not wasting the precious cash he has been given.
Using the money wisely is not the issue i have with Moyes.
Paul Maguire
137 Posted 24/01/2012 at 08:28:06
137 Posted 24/01/2012 at 08:28:06
Decent player, decent bloke. One of the first to run and congratulate Cahill from the subs bench on Saturday. Unfortunately didn't adapt to the 'get stuck in' approach. I hope he has a successful career when he leaves.
Andrew Fair
138 Posted 24/01/2012 at 08:54:30
138 Posted 24/01/2012 at 08:54:30
Agree Sam #351, Kanchelskis is the only russian I can think of who has made it and Demetri Kharine but he was a keeper. They are not cut our for the physicality of the league, his talent and goals are unquestionable but he cant cut it! But lets not put the facts and truth in the way of a good anti-moyes rant! Add Smertin to that list of failures also.
Andy Whittingham
139 Posted 24/01/2012 at 09:11:44
139 Posted 24/01/2012 at 09:11:44
I'd just like to say thanks to Bily. I don't think he's cut out for the premier league full stop (best position or otherwise).
But three of his eight goals, against Man Utd, Wolves and Portsmouth, are arguably the best goals we've seen from an Everton player - and I just want to thank him for that.
But three of his eight goals, against Man Utd, Wolves and Portsmouth, are arguably the best goals we've seen from an Everton player - and I just want to thank him for that.
Anthony Jaras
140 Posted 24/01/2012 at 09:12:16
140 Posted 24/01/2012 at 09:12:16
Nick Millington #321
What's Claus Thomsen got to do with Moyes? Thomsen left in 1998.
If you are doing best and worse Moyes teams, you're well out of date with this shout.
What's Claus Thomsen got to do with Moyes? Thomsen left in 1998.
If you are doing best and worse Moyes teams, you're well out of date with this shout.
Jim Knightley
141 Posted 24/01/2012 at 09:17:20
141 Posted 24/01/2012 at 09:17:20
If we somehow contrive (although I think it very very unlikely) to bring in Cerci, he will be one of the very best players to have been brought into this club since the mid 80's. If not for a change in system at fiorentina he would have been plucked away by one of the truly big clubs by now. (He will need a little bit of time to bed in though)
I believe we would have recieved around 5million for Billy (maybe not all up front). I expect about 4million will go on a transfer or two (Rhodes...?) as a necessary measure which will appease some of us. I'll just be happy to see us buy someone we can at least be hopeful will make an impact(in a perfect world someone with creativity and someone who can finish).
I believe we would have recieved around 5million for Billy (maybe not all up front). I expect about 4million will go on a transfer or two (Rhodes...?) as a necessary measure which will appease some of us. I'll just be happy to see us buy someone we can at least be hopeful will make an impact(in a perfect world someone with creativity and someone who can finish).
Peter Barry
142 Posted 24/01/2012 at 09:30:16
142 Posted 24/01/2012 at 09:30:16
David barks dont quote History quote the present.
Vijay Nair
143 Posted 24/01/2012 at 09:47:06
143 Posted 24/01/2012 at 09:47:06
Apparently Michael Ball's been released by Leicester.. Wouldn't mind having him back here as short term cover for Bainsey.. We are short of warm bodies after all.. Thoughts anyone?
Dave Rice
144 Posted 24/01/2012 at 09:45:01
144 Posted 24/01/2012 at 09:45:01
I think he's been really poor for us, but no doubt if he does well for his new club and for Russia in the Euros then these pages will no doubt be awash with how great he was, how we never gave him a chance, how he had some really good games, how Moyes / Motes / D.D.D.D.D.D.Davie treated him badly, etc.....
Toffeewebbers - re-writing history since ...
Toffeewebbers - re-writing history since ...
Amit Vithlani
145 Posted 24/01/2012 at 10:56:04
145 Posted 24/01/2012 at 10:56:04
Denis Richardson 244 -
1. Nyarko and Alexandersson were bought by Smith. It was BK / Smith who gave him a 5 year contract with a 4 year work permit.
2. Re: not having made any decent signings recently. Are you including loans? If yes, Donovan (1st time) was a gem. If not, Gibson was the first player he spent money on for something like 2 years.
3. Your list of Moyes good signings ends with Cahill, Arteta and Pienaar. What about Lescott (sold for a massive profit), Jagielka and Baines (now England internationals) and Coleman (bargain basement buy, decent squad player).
But hey, why let facts get in the way?
As for criticism by other TWers of Fellaini. The guy has his best years ahead of him. He is young, playing in a position where generally you get better with age (look at Cars). Give him a chance and he will repay the fee.
Mistakes by Moyes / BK:
1. Selling Yak for 2 bob
2. Losing Gosling for nothing
3. Krol-gate
4. Bily
5. Simon Davies
I make it about GBP 12m lost. Painful, but the profit on Lescott alone still puts him ahead overall.
1. Nyarko and Alexandersson were bought by Smith. It was BK / Smith who gave him a 5 year contract with a 4 year work permit.
2. Re: not having made any decent signings recently. Are you including loans? If yes, Donovan (1st time) was a gem. If not, Gibson was the first player he spent money on for something like 2 years.
3. Your list of Moyes good signings ends with Cahill, Arteta and Pienaar. What about Lescott (sold for a massive profit), Jagielka and Baines (now England internationals) and Coleman (bargain basement buy, decent squad player).
But hey, why let facts get in the way?
As for criticism by other TWers of Fellaini. The guy has his best years ahead of him. He is young, playing in a position where generally you get better with age (look at Cars). Give him a chance and he will repay the fee.
Mistakes by Moyes / BK:
1. Selling Yak for 2 bob
2. Losing Gosling for nothing
3. Krol-gate
4. Bily
5. Simon Davies
I make it about GBP 12m lost. Painful, but the profit on Lescott alone still puts him ahead overall.
Marlon Hoff
146 Posted 24/01/2012 at 11:26:44
146 Posted 24/01/2012 at 11:26:44
Reason why Bily never worked with Everton is because he was in and out the 1st team. I have seen worse players on our pitch week in and week out (won't mention names to protect the guilty) and yet never get dropped, what that would do for confidence?
In his first season he was a regular and was match fit and sharp. The day he gets played in his preffered position he was far from being match fit and get dropped immediately. Gibson faired no better in his first game but was on the team sheet again and was totally anonymous against Rovers, yet he will be selected again. He provided us with more of a goal threat then any other midfielder we have, besides Drenthe, who will also not work out because he will be dropped for the next game.
I wish Bily all the best and hope that he has a manager that will let him realise his potential. Not like our Davey who made the boys head hang because he knew one mistake and he is dropped.
Sad to see this because I hoped Moyes would have been gone before Bily and another manger unleash the potential in our squad: Barkley, McAleny, Hope, Baxter, Wallace,.......
In his first season he was a regular and was match fit and sharp. The day he gets played in his preffered position he was far from being match fit and get dropped immediately. Gibson faired no better in his first game but was on the team sheet again and was totally anonymous against Rovers, yet he will be selected again. He provided us with more of a goal threat then any other midfielder we have, besides Drenthe, who will also not work out because he will be dropped for the next game.
I wish Bily all the best and hope that he has a manager that will let him realise his potential. Not like our Davey who made the boys head hang because he knew one mistake and he is dropped.
Sad to see this because I hoped Moyes would have been gone before Bily and another manger unleash the potential in our squad: Barkley, McAleny, Hope, Baxter, Wallace,.......
Denis Richardson
147 Posted 24/01/2012 at 12:31:14
147 Posted 24/01/2012 at 12:31:14
Amit 379 - what I am simply saying is that Moyes overall IMO has been average in the transfer market and not great, as some people try to make out. For every good signing there is a shit one (like most managers). There are very few managers who I would say are good in the transfer market as a lot of it comes down to luck. I made mistakes re Alexanderson and Nyarko - if you read my immediate subsequent posts you will see me correct these so there was no need to mention them in your post.
Lescott was a good buy but hardly an unknown player, we paid 5m for him and then robbed Man City blind (as everyone selling to City does/has done). Jags we 4m and Baines cost 6m, they were already playing in the prem so again not exactly 'unknown gems' unearthed - which apparently is Moyes' great talent. These signings have obviously been really good for us but they did cost us 16m in total, not a pittance - actually a huge amount of money for EFC, so I would have expected these players to be at least half decent anyway, to begin with - thankfully they turned out really well.
No I am not including loan signings as these don't count for me, they are only here for a short time - counting Donovan is a joke as he will play a max 8 games! If you want to count loan signings then for every Donovan there is an Anthony Gardener or Phillipe Senderos! (Nevermind Straq!)
If Moyes is so great at unerthing gems, name a really top/good player from the lower leagues we have signed in the last 5 years for very little cash. (Coleman at 60k is obviously great value and I hope he comes through but he is a very limited player. We got good money back on Beckford but he wasn't exactly another Cahill or Arteta.)
Simply put, yes Moyes has signed some really good players at good prices. However, his supposed reputation of being great in the market I think is not true as he's also signed a lot of shit ones, especially when you look at the amount of cash we've wasted as well. When he's had big money and bought big (for us anyway), his record is quite poor (e.g Fellaini paid too much, Billy & Koldrup discussed to death). So overall a B- and nowhere near an A from me re his transfer record.
In you post you say about 12m lost? You forget to include the millions we would have shelled out for wages and fees as well. Shandy Andy was on about 35k a week for 3 years, Billy on guessing 30-40k a week in his 3rd year now, Fellaini really looking good for his 75k a week, etc. The fee for Lescott would have covered a lot but we have wasted a lot too.
Again - average not great, IMO.
(Will see what the final fee for bill turns out to be)
Lescott was a good buy but hardly an unknown player, we paid 5m for him and then robbed Man City blind (as everyone selling to City does/has done). Jags we 4m and Baines cost 6m, they were already playing in the prem so again not exactly 'unknown gems' unearthed - which apparently is Moyes' great talent. These signings have obviously been really good for us but they did cost us 16m in total, not a pittance - actually a huge amount of money for EFC, so I would have expected these players to be at least half decent anyway, to begin with - thankfully they turned out really well.
No I am not including loan signings as these don't count for me, they are only here for a short time - counting Donovan is a joke as he will play a max 8 games! If you want to count loan signings then for every Donovan there is an Anthony Gardener or Phillipe Senderos! (Nevermind Straq!)
If Moyes is so great at unerthing gems, name a really top/good player from the lower leagues we have signed in the last 5 years for very little cash. (Coleman at 60k is obviously great value and I hope he comes through but he is a very limited player. We got good money back on Beckford but he wasn't exactly another Cahill or Arteta.)
Simply put, yes Moyes has signed some really good players at good prices. However, his supposed reputation of being great in the market I think is not true as he's also signed a lot of shit ones, especially when you look at the amount of cash we've wasted as well. When he's had big money and bought big (for us anyway), his record is quite poor (e.g Fellaini paid too much, Billy & Koldrup discussed to death). So overall a B- and nowhere near an A from me re his transfer record.
In you post you say about 12m lost? You forget to include the millions we would have shelled out for wages and fees as well. Shandy Andy was on about 35k a week for 3 years, Billy on guessing 30-40k a week in his 3rd year now, Fellaini really looking good for his 75k a week, etc. The fee for Lescott would have covered a lot but we have wasted a lot too.
Again - average not great, IMO.
(Will see what the final fee for bill turns out to be)
Alex Kociuba
148 Posted 24/01/2012 at 14:31:58
148 Posted 24/01/2012 at 14:31:58
I know people sometimes come on here with ?inside? info etc. But someone I know has a friend who claims that basically?
Everton were expected to make a move for striker Jack Shit today, however funds at the club are rumoured to be temporarily ring-fenced. Surprisingly, the club have a Plan B; Jack Shit?s team mate Fuck All. Both players have long histories of injuries and off-field problems but the main stumbling block will be obtaining a work permit.
Roger Trenwith
149 Posted 24/01/2012 at 14:32:31
149 Posted 24/01/2012 at 14:32:31
In the current climate of gathering gloom and despondency, may I attempt to brighten up your day with this little known piece of transfer speculation?
It is rumoured that Dour Davey is after Libyan Third Division striking sensation El-Uffagol, who Goodison psychologists believe is malleable enough to be turned into a defensive midfielder by Easter. The deal is unlikely to go through though, as Blue Bill's pockets will not stretch to the sixteen camel suppositories and a 50" Smart TV for the chairman demanded by his club Murzuq Stanley.
Mick Davies
150 Posted 24/01/2012 at 14:48:23
150 Posted 24/01/2012 at 14:48:23
Who wasted all this money on a player who obviously didn't fit into our manager's plan's? Who allowed 2 high scoring strikers to leave on deadline day along with our most creative midfielder. Who plays square pegs in round holes and stifles creativity in a manner that makes Gordon Lee look like Wenger? Yes, that evil sod Kenwright, and the sooner he's gone, the sooner our team will be playing positive, balanced and maybe even attractive football. We may even be able to bring in some players who will fit the free-flowing football we would be witnessing if only he stopped interfering with our manager and his gifted assistant. Roll on the end of the BK era
Kristian Boyce
151 Posted 24/01/2012 at 16:00:38
151 Posted 24/01/2012 at 16:00:38
I think Bily doomed his stay here when he announced that he wasn't a left winger on his arrival at the club. I don't think anyone knew his ideal position and that was a major downfall of his time here. He has talent but sparadic playing time and a percieved lack of faith from Moyes in playing him anywhere other than the left wing has lead to a dismal time for all. I wouldn't put him in the Koldrup bracket of flop, as Koldrup was bought as a centre back, which he was and was just terrible.
I still think Bily was a panic buy from Moyes. After the Lescott transfer, Moyes knew he had to bring in defenders. Johnny H & Distin came in for about 11Mil, which left around 10-12Mil of the Lescott cash. With a week to go in the window, I think he just went out and bought anyone who would closely resemble a left winger. He had this money burning in his pocket, and knew if he didn't use it, he'd lose it as he knew it was going straight to the bank otherwise.
I still think Bily was a panic buy from Moyes. After the Lescott transfer, Moyes knew he had to bring in defenders. Johnny H & Distin came in for about 11Mil, which left around 10-12Mil of the Lescott cash. With a week to go in the window, I think he just went out and bought anyone who would closely resemble a left winger. He had this money burning in his pocket, and knew if he didn't use it, he'd lose it as he knew it was going straight to the bank otherwise.
Wayne McNee
152 Posted 24/01/2012 at 18:33:21
152 Posted 24/01/2012 at 18:33:21
I expect undisclosed fees & loans for an unheard of keeper, defensive Man UTD reject & a deadline day deal for a below average / past it striker. Obviously we'll sell a big name at the last minute to make it a net spend of -10 million to service our "debts". Thinking this way, I'll not be disappointed? Ha, ha.. Who am I kidding. This is BEST case scenario!
Good luck Bily, you're leaving a lot worse behind you. Shame DM insists on bleeding out any flair players may have.
Good luck Bily, you're leaving a lot worse behind you. Shame DM insists on bleeding out any flair players may have.
Eddy Bernard
153 Posted 24/01/2012 at 19:01:14
153 Posted 24/01/2012 at 19:01:14
If i remember rightly Bily came highly recommended by Guus Hiddink who was with Chelsea at the time.
So was Guus pulling a fast one? and some commission from Bilys agent? Or did he genuinely see a great prospect which Everton failed to develop?
So was Guus pulling a fast one? and some commission from Bilys agent? Or did he genuinely see a great prospect which Everton failed to develop?
John Daley
154 Posted 24/01/2012 at 19:07:50
154 Posted 24/01/2012 at 19:07:50
Bily's arl fella having a bit of a dig at Moyes:
?In terms of his creativeness Diniyar has stagnated. The same thing happened to Mikel Arteta. I don't want to question Moyes?s qualifications, but if he?d got more out of his defensive players, then his creative players wouldn?t have dropped off so much in recent years.?
?In terms of his creativeness Diniyar has stagnated. The same thing happened to Mikel Arteta. I don't want to question Moyes?s qualifications, but if he?d got more out of his defensive players, then his creative players wouldn?t have dropped off so much in recent years.?
Guy Hastings
155 Posted 24/01/2012 at 19:19:06
155 Posted 24/01/2012 at 19:19:06
I think you'll find it's 'principle'.
John 471 - he's got a point.
John 471 - he's got a point.
Phil Martin
156 Posted 24/01/2012 at 19:33:40
156 Posted 24/01/2012 at 19:33:40
@ 471,
Not sure Arteta stagnated. He was truly class, got a terrible injury and never refound his fitness/form before he left. I have yet to see him in an Arsenal shirt running the show like he did for us on a number of occasions.
As for Bily. Well any player who can't run in the premier league is fucked. I think he was a bad signing who never adapted. Maybe in Russia, Serie A where the pace is slower his skills will become more appreciated.
Not sure Arteta stagnated. He was truly class, got a terrible injury and never refound his fitness/form before he left. I have yet to see him in an Arsenal shirt running the show like he did for us on a number of occasions.
As for Bily. Well any player who can't run in the premier league is fucked. I think he was a bad signing who never adapted. Maybe in Russia, Serie A where the pace is slower his skills will become more appreciated.
Mike Manchester
157 Posted 24/01/2012 at 19:16:34
157 Posted 24/01/2012 at 19:16:34
@eddy 468 i think we all saw potential in Billy, just a shame he couldn't "man up" for the premier league
Iain Davies
158 Posted 24/01/2012 at 21:20:57
158 Posted 24/01/2012 at 21:20:57
According to this link Bily has already signed for Spartak fee £5.7 million
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/diniyar-bilyaletdinov/profil/spieler_16690.html
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/diniyar-bilyaletdinov/profil/spieler_16690.html
Mick Davies
160 Posted 25/01/2012 at 04:01:35
160 Posted 25/01/2012 at 04:01:35
Tony J Williams, are you Russian too, and is your middle name Jerkof? Or maybe you're just on here winding us all up
James Stewart
161 Posted 25/01/2012 at 13:19:15
161 Posted 25/01/2012 at 13:19:15
Nice to see him slam Moyes and his tactics on the way out. Can't fault him there.
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