I like to think of myself as one of the more positive voices on this site and have been generally delighted this year with the opportunity to sing praises of individual players.

Although we’ve definitely had some poor luck with injuries, refereeing decisions, and the ball just not quite falling for us, we have in the main played some great football, looked to attack in most matches and played without fear.

Our ’star’ players have proved their worth (Baines and Fellaini have been pretty universally superb whilst Jags and Pienaar brilliant in patches), whilst other less celebrated individuals have come into their own (eg, Osman showing what he can do in a team with possession in central midfield; Coleman flying down the right flank and Big Vic putting in a couple of commanding performances leading to clamours for him to start). Our summer signings have settled in nicely (especially Mirallas and, when allowed, Oviedo), whilst the rest of the first team have been solid (Gibson, Distin, Howard and Neville).

In fact, the only area that has really been a consistent disappointment has been the ex-Rangers contingent. Jelavic has – let’s face it – been pretty poor for most of this season, looking far more like the SPL level striker who’s been found out than the top draw clinical finisher we celebrated last season. That said, I can understand why Moyes persists with him: firstly, we don’t have many options, although Vic appears to be maturing as a player and Vellios has his moments, with Mirallas out of action, Jelly is clearly the best quality ’first choice’ striker we have. It’s also fair to say he does still show encouraging signs in terms of runs, positions etc – albeit lacking that final something to turn chances to goals and I imagine most of us on the terraces would keep giving him games to play into form in the same position.

Sadly I just can’t say the same about Steven Naismith. Whilst I don’t dislike the guy at all, I have respect for what he achieved in Scotland and can 100% understand the move for him in the summer (essentially free SPL star who’d had a great partnership with Jelavic), I think it’s becoming abundantly clear that he’s either in very poor form or just not good enough to compete at the top level in the Premier League. He definitely looked good pre-season and I can fully see why he was given a run of games, plus it’s also true that he went through a mini purple patch where he scored a few goals for us.

Since that period though (and even during that period), I think it’s hard to argue that he makes the Everton starting XI any better or pinpoint what he actually brings. Even with the injuries, I’d argue he is ultimately a worse choice than what we have available elsewhere in various positions, eg: Oviedo (for the flanks), Anichebe/Vellios (up front), or Osman/Barkley (in attacking midfield).

There’s no doubt that he works hard and he’s not technically terrible, but equally he appears to lack any exceptional skill or attribute that would merit his inclusion. There’s no real pace, he doesn’t have a cheeky dribble or skill to beat a man, his passing and vision is decidedly average, he doesn’t appear especially good in the air nor does he have a big physical presence or amazing tackler. In short he’s the epitome of average.

I am of course aware of our thin squad and paucity of options and even without that I think he’s probably worth a slot on the bench as a reflection of his willingess to play in a variety of positions and general hard-work. However, I really, really can’t fathom why he’s starting ahead of the other options listed, Oviedo can feel especially hard done by.

Then again, maybe I’ve missed something? Any pro-Naismith posters out there?

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Patrick Murphy
1 Posted 28/01/2013 at 16:04:04
2011-12 No Naismith - Jelavic scores a bundle.
2012-13 with Naismith - Jelavic looks a shadow of the player we know he can be.
coincidence?


Clarence Yurcan
2 Posted 28/01/2013 at 19:14:13
You'll all be singing a different tune when Naismith heads home the wining goal in the Champions League final for us, circa May 2014.
Danny Broderick
3 Posted 28/01/2013 at 18:54:44
It's maybe a bit harsh to judge the guy when he has been playing out of position all season. I know his performances haven't been great, but he does have an eye for goal. If played in a central position, he could be more useful. He's also adjusting to a new club and life, after a serious injury.

He's a squad man at best, but don't write him off just yet. It took Jagielka & Baines a few seasons to fully adjust. He could yet be a useful squad man for us.

Jon Ferguson
4 Posted 28/01/2013 at 19:16:43
He was worth a punt in the summer but it obviously hasn't worked out. He is not up to the standard and has been very poor all season (despite his goal in the derby). Oveido needs to be given a chance ahead of him out wide (when Mirallas and Pienaar are out) and Anichebe is better than him up front.

He should be moved on in the summer for a nominal fee or for free just to get his wages off the books. If I was him I'd look to get back to the SPL, or else a top end Championship club.

Ian Allaker
5 Posted 28/01/2013 at 19:18:07
I don’t think Naismith is as bad as people make out. He is a decent squad player with a good attitude/character who gives his all. I would rather have him than someone like Andy van der Meyde who had all the talent in the world but was an arse.

From what I have seen he is deceptively good in the air so I don’t agree with what you say about his heading, watch how many headers he wins when Jaggs does his hoof ball trick. He may not be quick but he’s not slow either, he always puts a shift in closing the opposition down and does tend to find him self in good positions. I think in time he could get us 5 to 10 goals a season.

Let's not forget that the likes of Baines, Arteta, Fellaini, Pienaar, Jaggs and the likes took about a season to settle in. Naismith has only come back from a serious injury at the start of the season, give the lad a break and judge him next season.

While Mirallas is injured I still think he is our best option on the right side of midfield and I trust Moyes’s judgement.

Joe McMahon
6 Posted 28/01/2013 at 19:48:34
I can't help thinking that Scottish goal scoring legends Kenny Miller and Kris Boyd couldn't even hack it in the Championship. The standard of Scottish leagues is awful. Naismith would also struggle in the Championship, IMO.
Sean Patton
7 Posted 28/01/2013 at 20:27:32
For a free transfer (I know they never are) you can't expect too much and we should just wheel him out for the derby twice a season he keeps scoring against them and he will do for me!
Dennis Shaw
8 Posted 28/01/2013 at 21:51:31
I've tried to think of something positive to say about Naismith but just can't, what about... no, then again he is... no, but we should allow... no its no good he is just awful. Bad first touch, unfit, no pace and for a centre forward a poor finisher. Good time to sell.
Vijay Badhan
9 Posted 28/01/2013 at 22:16:29
Average player at best, can't figure out why he's is getting in the team before the likes of Oviedo who looks like a quality player. His first touch is poor and as others have mentioned he does not appear to be up to Pl standards.
Noel Early
10 Posted 29/01/2013 at 00:50:19
He has been poor, no doubt about it, but I think we will see better things from him in the future. The lad got a serious injury playing for the huns, I think his pace has definitely suffered as a result. He did the business for Rangers in European competition and always turned in good performances against Celtic in Old Firm games. He was worth the risk on a free transfer so I won't be rushing to any judgements until he has 2 seasons at the club.
John Maxwell
11 Posted 29/01/2013 at 01:54:43
Definitely being played out of position, also doesn't help that he's covering for Mirallas. But its obvious he just isn't ready for the Premier League and probably won't ever be. Terrible passes into thin air, no pace, looks lost on the pitch.

Let's hope we can get £1-2m for him from one of the promotion chasing clubs in the Championship, or maybe back to the pub league over the border!

Conor Skelly
12 Posted 29/01/2013 at 02:11:46
Not going to cut it with us but I still think he could fetch £2 million going to a Championship club or maybe even Celtic. But what of the legal proceedings that Rangers are undertaking regarding compensation for the lad? Would that be a stumbling block in any potential sale?
Peter Barry
14 Posted 29/01/2013 at 03:46:17
Playing Naismith is worse than playing a man short as Naismith's playing is actually beneficial to the opposition.
Dennis Shaw
15 Posted 29/01/2013 at 10:08:47
Noel – two seasons at the club? There is no way we can ever give Naismith that length of time; he has been given ample opportunity to shine and I've never seen anything positive about his game.

Let's loan him out to Leeds and bring Barkley back.

Paul Smith
16 Posted 29/01/2013 at 10:31:47
Although, I agree with the theme of the article, that: Naismith clearly isn't up to Premier League standard, you state, and I quote, "he doesn't appear especially good in the air." I have to disagree.

I think the one redeeming feature he has, is his ability in the air. Hard to prove without going all stat-tastic I know, but when I've seen him play (and I admit to being in the 'get rid' camp), for a little fella, he's good in the air.

Adam McCulloch
17 Posted 29/01/2013 at 12:02:12
For someone playing at the top level his first touch is beyond awful. I feel sorry for him in some respects because he's obviously no winger, but even Big Vic at his worst (before this year) showed at least some positives. Get shot in the Summer, promote youth out wide – it should be a forgiving position – and free up the wages.
Jim Knightley
18 Posted 29/01/2013 at 12:06:01
He is too limited... poor touch, lacks pace...reminds me of Hibbert, if Hibbert was a right winger. But...he is out of position, and even great players look poor out of position (Modric this season is fantastic example). I think he would be more useful as a second striker...but, I still do not feel that he has what it takes.

If we got an offer of £2million for him in the summer, or thereabouts, let him go. He is a square peg in a right wing round hole, but he is still a substandard square peg. Good for a Wigan or Villa maybe, but not Everton.

Nick Entwistle
19 Posted 29/01/2013 at 12:05:37
The puns are coming thick and fast on TW this week.

I like to think I was more pro-Naismith when others had already decided he was pants, but his last few performances were shock-bollocks.

Sometimes the 'needs time to adjust to the PL' line comes out all too quick for signings coming into the league but does this apply to him or is he just a wrongun?

Can't fault his effort, and is doing a bit of a McFadden out of position on the right but at worst should be giving £2m or there abouts to the coffers a year from now.

Tony J Williams
20 Posted 29/01/2013 at 12:11:15
"Playing Naismith is worse than playing a man short as Naismith's playing is actually beneficial to the opposition." – No it's not.

We can't judge him properly until he plays in his correct position. He is not a winger, never will be. The same happened to Osman and nearly every other play we stick out on the wing.

As already said above, he wins most of his headers from Jag's hoofs upfield, but does nothing much else.

His second touch is usually a tackle but it would be interesting to see him have a stint behind Jelavic.

Jason Fox
21 Posted 29/01/2013 at 12:09:14
I have to agree with the majority, he just doesn't look good enough. His First touch just bounces off him he never takes it under control. His passing is truly woeful, it will take something special to make me forget that pass to Jelavic that should have led to a goalscoring opportunity and ended up a throw-in.

He isn't a winger but I haven't seen sufficient evidence that his flaws are due to being out of position. He's better in the air than you would think and he works hard; positionally he is okay and maybe played centrally would chip in with a few goals.

Steavey Buckley
22 Posted 29/01/2013 at 12:21:29
I believe that the Osman/Neville axis in midfield is music to opposing managers ears. In the first half against Southampton, with them in midfield, it was like attack (Southampton) against defence (Everton). How Everton survived was a combination of bad finishing, goal line clearance and good goalkeeping.
Tony J Williams
23 Posted 29/01/2013 at 12:30:20
What about the missed sitters from Everton, Steavey? Does that not factor into your reasoning? Both teams could have won that game, but you seem to believe that it was only Southampton?
Ciarán McGlone
24 Posted 29/01/2013 at 12:40:27
He's gash.

Judging a player is not rocket science... From his first game it was quite obvious that he was out of his depth.

What worries me is that Moyes can't see this and keeps playing him.

Steavey Buckley
25 Posted 29/01/2013 at 12:41:26
The point I was trying to make was Everton fans solely blaming Naismith. Everton went into the season with one quality midfield player short when Rodwell was sold to Man City, but not replaced. So, when Gibson was injured, in steps Neville to partner Osman.

And this has been the main reason why Everton can't control midfield. When Neville gets the ball, it is either sideways or backwards or given away to the opposition then eventually back to Howard who then has to hoof it away.

And with Neville in midfield, Osman looks lost, vulnerable and lightweight because Neville is not a holding player and good passer of a ball.

Ian Allaker
26 Posted 29/01/2013 at 12:56:16
Dennis, thank God Moyes is manager and not you, if you had your way Baines, Arteta, Fellaini, Pienaar, Jaggs and the likes would have been out the door for not doing the buisness in their first seasons. Some people realy don't have a clue.
James Martin
27 Posted 29/01/2013 at 12:56:38
Everyone on here was happy to give Fellaini as long as he wanted to settle in, 4 or so odd seasons in fact. Naismith has been played out of position all season. Would Jelavic be any good if he played on the wing? (even though he seems to have set up his winter home there this season). Anichebe is terrible out there yet looks like a very handy striker when up front by himself. Equally Osman did not have the pace to play on the wing yet his passing game has revolutionised our central midfield.

How can fans praise someone like Anichebe after a good performance upfront but then absolutely blast him when he plays rubbish next week on the wing? Naismith is not a winger, perhaps he could get away with being a wide forward but we don't even play that formation. He's played his whole career upfront or as a Number 10 yet when we've needed striking options this season even Vellios has got on ahead of him.

It could well be of course that he's a victim of a lack of squad depth with no-one else to really play on that wing but – especially when Fellaini was suspended earlier in the season – would it have hurt to have given him a run behind Jelavic rather than putting Pienaar there moving Anichebe to the left and keeping Naismith in his graveyard shift?

For what it's worth, I still think he possesses a decent finishing instinct like Jelavic does, and if played behind the striker would put that to good use, he would also allow us a bit more mobility on the break than Fellaini currently does.

Andrew Ellams
28 Posted 29/01/2013 at 13:04:43
Steavey, Rodwell hardly ever featured when he was at the club and in my opinion didn't really offer too much when he did. Getting the money we did for him was a cracking bit of business from Everton and injuries aside has helped the team move forward.
Craig Walker
29 Posted 29/01/2013 at 13:12:06
He can trap a ball further than most people can kick one.
Steavey Buckley
30 Posted 29/01/2013 at 13:10:17
The fact that Everton sold Rodwell for £12 million plus add-ons proves that Moyes valued him. Not replacing him when they tried to, was negligent. The Leroy situation is 6 months late, undoing what should have happened when Rodwell was sold and not replacing him.
Danny Jones
31 Posted 29/01/2013 at 12:52:46
Like a lot of threads on TW this one turns into another Neville bashing. I thought this one was about Naismith.

He's been awful, right enough. However, I would reserve final judgement until this time next year. A full year in with a pre-season should show us what he's got. New club, bad injury won't wash then. Until then he should be played from the bench if resources allow.

Denis Richardson
32 Posted 29/01/2013 at 13:43:44
The lad does not have many redeeming features to be sure and is very average, but we got him on a free so cannot complain too much.

I was very disappointed to see him come on in the Cheltenham game when we had the game in the bag though. He gives it 100% but really should be warming the bench and not starting games. Coleman is getting better at RB but if Mirallas is injured, I'd prefer Coleman plays at RM with Neville or Hibbo at RB, than have Naismith starting. Hitz can go in the middle instead of Neville.

Would also be nice to see Oviedo given more of a run out – let him and Pienaar swap wings every now and again just to give the oppo something else to think about maybe.

Kevin Tully
33 Posted 29/01/2013 at 13:55:18
We haven't had a player for a while who has had so much stick. He is the new whipping boy alright – I bet Neville & Osman are chuffed when he starts!

Playing out wide really exposes his lack of pace, and I would like to see him played centrally, just before I am convinced he is as bad as everyone makes out.

I remember Jagielka in midfield when he first came – he looked like an amateur.

Brian Waring
34 Posted 29/01/2013 at 14:05:20
So, playing out of position affects your ball control etc?
Tony J Williams
35 Posted 29/01/2013 at 14:16:03
"The fact that Everton sold Rodwell for £12 million plus add ons proves that Moyes valued him" — Eh? It just proves that Citeh can splash the case and we got a good price for a constantly injured player.
James Martin
36 Posted 29/01/2013 at 14:24:51
No, Brian, but it does affect the impact that different areas of your game can have. If Anichebe is upfront, he can run onto the ball and lash it in or turn with his back to goal and get a shot off. If he's playing on the wing he's nearly always got very little space and even if he eludes his marker, will have to cross the ball.

Jelavic couldn't play on the wing, neither could a lot of Premier League strikers, doesn't mean that if a chance drops to them in the box they won't stick it away though.

You get a few strikers blessed with pace and touch that can do a job on the wing but very few. Just because Naismith looks bad on the wing doesn't mean he wouldn't play better as a central striker or number 10.

Ian Allaker
37 Posted 29/01/2013 at 14:21:46
No, it doesn't Brian, but ball control is less important when played in and around the box when it only requires one touch to have a shot and score. Just ask Jelly about last season.

If Naismith is allowed to play to his strengths and make late runs into the box with less involvement in the build-up play, he could do okay, but he's not going to play ahead of Fellaini. It can also take time to gain confidence and the belief required when coming back from injury and joining a new team. He needs time to settle in and adapt, played in his preferred position, and then he might be of some use to us.

Ian McPherson
38 Posted 29/01/2013 at 15:19:52
Playing Naismith, Neville and Osman in midfield and we wonder why we don't dominate midfield or break down teams, Swansea & Southampton for example. I have tried to give the man a chance but he just looks out of his depth in this league. Out of postion or not, I don't see it sorry.
Will Leaf
39 Posted 29/01/2013 at 15:34:41
What is this Rangers of which you speak?
James Martin
40 Posted 29/01/2013 at 15:59:20
That's right, Ian – just take two games and generalise the whole season. Neville has been far from ideal but earlier in the season him and Osman were dominating most teams they played against.

We dominated against a very negative Swansea team that did nothing more than park the bus – if Distin or Jagielka had scored easy headers then we would have easily won. Southampton was one of the worst performances of the season and everyone looked off colour.

Against Bolton untouchable Fellaini was back in midfield and we looked even worse. Football's not as simple as putting your biggest players in the middle of the park and pretending you have a boss physical midfield. Fellaini and Rodwell got dominated most games whereas Osman has allowed us to control most games this season. As soon as we start playing badly however it doesn't mean people can just bemoan our lack of a 6 foot monster in midfield. Stoke have loads of them but still don't dominate any games.

Brian Waring
41 Posted 29/01/2013 at 16:13:55
If your first touch, ball control etc is shite, then it doesn't matter where you play, whether it be up front, out wide, it will still be shite.
Roman Sidey
42 Posted 29/01/2013 at 13:35:22
Tony, "His second touch is usually a tackle". I've never heard that phrase but I like it a lot. Like you said too, give him a bit of a run up front and then judge, but so far, position aside, his actual football ability has left a lot to be desired.

James Martin, I agree with a lot that you are saying, but if you go back only a little more than 12 months on here, you'll find that most of us weren't happy to give Fellaini four seasons to gel. I, admittedly, was one of the ones calling for him to be shipped out after about two seasons. I think aside from a few goals, he was truly awful in the first three seasons, and really has only showed his true value this season.

Keith Glazzard
43 Posted 29/01/2013 at 16:59:42
The brother and I have sat there scratching our heads every time he has played. We would be better off with ten men most of the time. At least the other players wouldn't be relying on him.
Paul Kelly
45 Posted 29/01/2013 at 18:22:13
Craig @ 989 Nearly pissed myself, quality.
Chris James
46 Posted 29/01/2013 at 23:21:33
In summary then, to my question of 'any pro-Naismith posters out there?' No.

Just to stress as I tried to do in my last paragraph, I wasn't trying to totally destroy the guy, more questioning why he was regularly starting games ahead of others who seem, well, better.

Brian Waring
47 Posted 29/01/2013 at 23:41:18
Chris, I think it's because he is 'hard working'.
Jimmy Sørheim
48 Posted 30/01/2013 at 14:03:17
I think the reason why we all think he is bad is because he is not 100% match fit yet, and he will probably not be until next season starts.

After such a serious injury, not once, but twice, I think we need to give him a break here. I agree he does not fit as a winger at all, and Moyes is pretty much forced to because Barkley is out on loan.

Naismith is a forward, and Moyes probably knows it too, but until Mirallas, Gibson or Coleman come back, Naismith will probably continue to play there.

I think it is time Oviedo got his chance on the left and Pienaar was shifted to the right. All-in-all, Naismith is quite young and can still find form and fitness, but it will take time.


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