I have been somewhat disappointed by the reaction of many fans towards Phil Neville’s announcement that he is to leave the club at the end of the season. In no way whatsoever am I his biggest supporter. Like most, I do not rate him particularly highly as a player, certainly in midfield — nor have I liked some of the soundbytes that he has come out with at the wrong times, at best some of them have been inappropriate.

I was at his debut for the Club in the ill-fated Champions League Qualifier versus Villarreal and I remember watching him closely to see what he was like, as, to be fair, he had never been that highly regarded as a player and was only a squad player at best at United.

What I immediately saw was someone who was constantly organising players, asking them to change position slightly here and there and managing some of the more inexperienced players through the game. It was clear he had spent his entire career being taught football properly and tactically he was very aware.

When he arrived, we had just qualified for the Champions League; however, it’s fair to say we exceeded expectations that season with a squad including the likes of Marcus Bent. Prior to that, we had finished 17th, 7th, 15th, 16th, 13th and 14th. We were not a club accustomed to challenging, nor maintaining status in the top half of the Premier League.

As a club, Everton were crying out for a tactical, experienced head who had played at a higher level and would be able to cajole his players and help bring them on. Add to that our poor financial position, resources and small squad: we also needed a utility player.

Phil Neville — one of Fergies fledglings, 28 years old, 6 times Premier League Winner, 3 times FA Cup Winner, Champions League Winner, with 50 odd caps for England having played over 300 domestic games at left back, right back, centre half, left, right and centre midfield — was the perfect option.

I believe he instilled his experience into the team, and this has had a dramatic effect on the club. I am not giving him sole credit for our improvements since he joined as it is a team sport and all coaching and playing staff take responsibility. But, at the same time, he is not the sole blame when things have gone wrong.

I truly believe that he has given 100% at all times, captained the club and led his players with great integrity and I believe been a big part of the apparent great “changing room atmosphere”. You only have to look at his interactions with other players and fans on Twitter to see this.

Phil Neville has his limitations as a player and those limitations have grown in the last few years. However, he has also had some very good performances for us, driving the team to crucial wins, and I believe he taught the young lads a lot in terms of how to behave and instilled a lot of positives into the club since his arrival.

He has spent 8 years at the club, been club captain for 6, played over 300 games for us and he deserves to leave the club with the utmost respect of everyone. He was the right person at the right time.

All the best for the next chapter Phil. You deserve it.

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Danny Broderick
1 Posted 10/04/2013 at 15:32:55
Hear hear! He maybe stayed a year too long, but let's not forget he has served us well...
Lee Mandaracas
2 Posted 10/04/2013 at 15:59:28
Not a single word I could disagree with. Summed up perfectly.
Tim O'Connell
3 Posted 10/04/2013 at 15:59:21
Excellent article and expresses my opinion exactly. Pip brought a high level of professionalism to the club which hopefully will be maintained. I think most people would agree that age probably has caught up with him but I am certainly grateful for his contribution to the club.
Gerry Morrison
4 Posted 10/04/2013 at 16:10:26
Well said James. Good luck to him in the future.
Patrick Murphy
5 Posted 10/04/2013 at 16:10:26
I totally agree with your sentiments towards Phil Neville, but vehemently disagree that many fans were less than generous in their reaction to the news that he was leaving Everton. In fact, I was a little taken aback by the many glowing tributes paid to him and even those that had criticisms of him were still willing to point out – no pun intended – his qualities as a Captain and a person. I sometimes wonder if people only read a single post and react to it rather than gauge the sentiment of the overall posts.

Peter Mills
6 Posted 10/04/2013 at 16:21:35
Well said James. The statistics showing the team's results when he has played and when he has been absent demonstrate his influence. He has been an excellent signing.
Michael Kenrick
7 Posted 10/04/2013 at 16:26:59
Patrick Murphy, you are bang on. It only takes a handful of posts for some people to decide one subset of views reflect the entire single-minded mood of the readership, while ignoring all others.

There's definitely some cognitive issue going on here where the perception seems to be restricted to one fixed idea, to the exclusion of everything else, even though it's right there in front of them. I think it might be the Reality Tunnel....

Other than that, good post, James. I thought it was a pretty fair summation of Pip's contribution.

James Flynn
8 Posted 10/04/2013 at 16:39:02
The Pro's Pro.

Phil, you're willing to play minor league ball for another year or 2, come on over here to MLS. Love to have you.

Shane Corcoran
9 Posted 10/04/2013 at 16:36:43
Patrick and Michael, Jame says he's been disappointed by the reaction of "many" fans as have I. Nobody mentioned that it reflected anything.

I assume James feels that any player that has given so much for the blues for so would receive almost 100% positive comments on his departure.

If you look at the first half a dozen posts on the article about him leaving on TW, they all open with comments about being happy he's going.

I agree generally with the point being made.

Paul Gladwell
10 Posted 10/04/2013 at 16:52:03
A man with limited ability but he deserves a big thanks for how he has conducted himself and has helped the club off the field, we are a pretty well respected and liked club around the country and he has had his part in that. We have had a good few pisshead,party boys playing for us in this time and they recieved less shit than Neville got, the man has been a great professional that the fans expect and pay for and for that I thank him, we shouldn't have to, but that shows how his like are not ten a penny these days.
Mike Powell
11 Posted 10/04/2013 at 16:58:47
He has served our club well. Yes, he is not up to it now... but good luck to you, Phil; it's the right time to go.
David Holroyd
12 Posted 10/04/2013 at 16:56:38
Moyes could do with finding another leader,because I think the team is a fairly quiet one. Phil Neville will be missed but the time has come. On a another level his 40 grand wages will come in handy.
Clarence Yurcan
13 Posted 10/04/2013 at 18:52:13
Next stop: New York Red Bulls. A quick 20 minute jaunt away and I can see him and Cahill playing together again
Eugene Ruane
14 Posted 10/04/2013 at 19:11:35
Clarence (685). There's a thought. You might get to see his 'floater for the invisible man' pass in the flesh (although being in the States you might have to add 'dude' to 'For fuck's sake!")
Andy Crooks
15 Posted 10/04/2013 at 19:16:26
Neville to the newly promoted Hull City and to replace Bruce in January when relegation beckons.
Vince Furnier
16 Posted 10/04/2013 at 19:25:49
Here's controversy. The vocal minority always get a disproportionate amount of publicity because:
a) They are prepared to shout louder;
b) We are becoming whimps in society whereby we think it's fair that everybody should have a say regardless of the weight of support that opinion draws upon.
c) People can hide behind false names (and they should be forced to give their age as well).
Chris Leyland
17 Posted 10/04/2013 at 19:46:26
Shane - I think the problem with Michael K's response to Hames is that there's definitely some cognitive issue going on here where the perception seems to be restricted to one fixed idea, to the exclusion of everything else, even though it's right there in front of them. I think it might be the Reality Tunnel....
Greg Lambden
18 Posted 10/04/2013 at 19:36:33
Leaving is the right decision for everyone although possibly a little late. An opening for the likes of Junior, Barkley & Stones in the 1st team match squad next season and 2 million a year wiped off the wage bill.

We will however at times miss his versatility.

Joe McMahon
19 Posted 10/04/2013 at 20:06:56
As a person he was and always has been 100% commited to Everton. Yes he's paid a lot, but so are many others. I think he will be missed by players and fans. It wasn't his fault he was on so many times chosen to play in midfield. A good servant to the club!
Clarence Yurcan
20 Posted 10/04/2013 at 20:39:01
Too true Eugene. Though I try to keep up with MLS I've only seen a few minutes here and there of the Red Bulls so far, but I hear that Cahill is one of their better players, so Neville can probably come in and do well also.
Ian Bennett
21 Posted 10/04/2013 at 21:08:47
Patrick you shouldn't be surprised. Evertonians show their displeasure to returning players that have left under a cloud (Barmby, Speed - sadly, Jeffers, Rooney, and Lescott), something that can be absolutely cutting in the grand traditions of the snarling Goodison bear pit.

If a player returns on good terms, past or present, they are treated like gods (Ferguson, Unsworth, Campbell, et al). Most leave the pitch with a tear, a lump in their throat, a feeling of worth and a smile of friendship on their face. Everton is a tight knit family club, a rare thing these days.

Steve Green
22 Posted 11/04/2013 at 00:43:11
Patrick @ 664, you disagree that fans were less than generous, fuck me, don't you read this site. Michael – well, flabbergasted, no words.

We won't miss him in midfield, we won't miss his regular public pronouncements – but we will miss him around the place. Quality club man.

Andrew Presly
23 Posted 11/04/2013 at 00:52:05
Christopher Kelly summed it up on the other thread. What a waste of time and money this guy is / was.

Shite from beginning to end Thank God it's over. Or will he score another OG before he goes? Good pro so he might do. Maybe Anfield? That would be nice. Would cap 8 glorious years.

James Flynn
24 Posted 11/04/2013 at 02:02:09
Andrew - Wouldn't expect more from a guy who spells his last name wrong.
Andrew Presly
25 Posted 11/04/2013 at 02:16:15
James - if I told you I was distantly related to Elvis would you like that or would it just piss you off more than me intruding on to the weird Pip love in you're trying to maintain?

I guess you rate the guy, fine, I get it. I'm just relieved its over. Or will he play vs QPR, boss the game and lead us to 3pts? I'd love that. Won't happen though, will it?

Phil Neville is done! Celebrate guys who've actually done something other than contractually obligated PR b/s and picking up millions from our broke club for being a, and this is now a gem, "good pro" . We were never ever winning anything with him as captain so as I see it we're back to the world as of now. Sorry if that upsets you James - have a nice day.

David Ellis
26 Posted 11/04/2013 at 02:36:08
Pip
I am glad you joined us. Glad you won't be playing for us anymore. A great servant to the club - all the best.
Roman Sidey
27 Posted 11/04/2013 at 03:42:03
The Nevilles had become such a Man Utd institution that I always had to convince myself that he was an Everton player. He was a good signing, a good captain, and an all round good fella. Played a year too long, and I don't buy the BS that Moyes selects him so he has to play. Players know before their coach when they're done, and Phil really should have called it quits last summer. If we finish as high as possible this season though you can't begrudge him finishing out his contract.

What unsettles me is him saying he still wants to play at the top. As much as I am fine with him no longer being on the field for us, I wouldn't feel good about seeing him line up against us. It just wouldn't be right. I, and I suspect many other Evertonians, would be chuffed if he retired as an Everton player.

Ross Edwards
28 Posted 11/04/2013 at 06:14:22
After 8 years of service as captain of our great club, I want to wish Phil Neville the best in whatever he does next in his career. People on here have criticised Pip for having a lack of talent for the highest level or for being rubbish, but his achievements speak for themselves. He has been a model professional on and off the pitch and he is a shining light on a sport full of prima donnas and mercenaries.

He gives his all and shows complete loyalty, unlike many footballers these days, (Mr Tevez, Peter Odemwingie) and does not make an embarrassment with attention seeking tweets,like a certain Joey Barton. He rightfully deserves the praise he is getting from the football world.

Who could forget his tackle on Ronaldo? Or the winning penalty against Chelsea in the FA Cup shootout? What about his masterclass on Gareth Bale? Something the best defenders in the world, e.g Maicon, have failed to do.

Whatever Neville decides to do next, I'm sure all Evertonians will wish him well in his next adventure, playing or coaching. Tootle Pip, Phil and good luck!

Mike Green
29 Posted 11/04/2013 at 06:00:29
Roman #745 - when it comes to a player like Neville I'm with you on the coach selects me thing, but no doubt it's complicated.

From where I see it he's in the position financially, physically, has won probably all he ever will and I'm certain gained the trust of Moyes to say he's not good enough anymore. Maybe he thinks he is though, and maybe so does Moyes. Maybe they both know he's not but due to the depth of our squad he's soldiered but has finally said enough's enough. Maybe he just wants to play football till he drops, he'll have scores of old team mates and a brother who no doubt are saying keep going as long as you can because once it's gone it's gone for good.

Neville made what was seen by many in he media as a 'brave' decision by leaving Old Trafford to come to us - a decision I think based on wanting to play at he highest level and have as long a career as possible, something which he doesn't seem to have dropped.

If he plays on down the leagues, nicks off to the States, or coaches somewhere good luck to him, it's his life after all. Either way he or Moyes, or both, have finally accepted he's no longer good enough for Everton and he's bowed out gracefully. In my opinion the least we can do now is recognise the contribution he's made with equal grace and bid him farewell.

Ajay Gopal
30 Posted 11/04/2013 at 06:46:42
Excellent article, James Cadwaladr. I agree wholeheartedly, although I had not crystallised my thoughts on Phil Neville as well as your article has. However, after reading your article, it has got me a bit worried - who will be the next Phil Neville? I can think of Jagielka and Osman, although the new manager coming in may not fancy these 2 lads. A cheeky thought - how about if Wayne Rooney were to come back as club captain? Obviously, like Phil, he has won numerous titles for Man U, and perhaps it will be gnawing him - "Can I get my beloved Everton to win the title before I retire?".
Dennis Stevens
31 Posted 11/04/2013 at 07:51:48
Very well put, James. I do think Neville has generally earned the respect of most Evertonians, but also agree with those who feel this announcement is perhaps a season or two later than would have been ideal.
Jimmy Ho
32 Posted 11/04/2013 at 10:07:25
a nightmare thought, never my favourite but I wouldn't complain much if we had 11 nevilles on the pitch, the least we know we are guaranteed 100% effort and heart, which sadly we cant say for all our players...
Ray Jacques
33 Posted 11/04/2013 at 10:21:30
Andrew Presly-- 'celebrate guys who've actually done something'.

6 premier league titles
3 FA cups
Champions league
50 odd caps for England.

More than the rest of our squad put together. Therefore are they all not worth celebrating??

Why do you need to come across as bitter and twisted, just wish the guy well.

Your opinion

Kev Johnson
34 Posted 11/04/2013 at 10:22:01
Eleven Nevilles! That's crazy talk, Jimmy.

If we had to have a whole team made up of a single player, I would prefer Jagielka. He played in goal for Shef U, and has played full back, centre back and (I think) midfield for us. Plus he's scored a few with his head so could play up front.

Roman Sidey
35 Posted 11/04/2013 at 11:46:03
Mike, you're right with everything you've said, just put it differently to me I think. I am interested in knowing how you, and others, would feel if Phil lined up against us for another team in the Premier League. Purely out of respect for what he's done for us, it would feel wrong.
Steven May
36 Posted 11/04/2013 at 11:52:36
Vince Furnier @ 691 - "People can hide behind false names (and they should be forced to give their age as well", which is something that you would never do, so can we add "Alice Cooper" to the ranks of the celebrity fans.

Sorry if this has been discussed before.....

Andrew Presly
37 Posted 11/04/2013 at 12:42:26
Ray - "celebrate guys who have actually done something.....(for Everton)" I didn't include the last bit as I presumed it to be obvious that I'd only care about what he does for us.

I don't give a damn about what he won at Man U or how many caps he won when he wasn't playing for us. Why would I?

Why is anyone who's not up for a Phil-fest labelled bitter and twisted? I just pay my hard earned to watch and support Everton and I don't like crap players like Neville representing my club. It's that simple. If he'd lifted a cup or two and been good I'd love the guy. But...he didn't. It's never personal. I don't know him.

Neville gets in a select / sorry bunch of former players like Tony Thomas, John O'Kane, Hottiger and a few others where I've actually played against / with better players. Granted, they made it pro and the others didn't but that shouldn't really be happening, should it?

But as you said, my opinion and its not one shared by our manager so what the hell. Its history now, on to Saturday.

Nick Armitage
38 Posted 11/04/2013 at 21:07:00
I don't get all this starry eyed false sincerity when the man has been nothing but hammered for years. He is on a massive wage but makes mistakes that I, as a schoolboy, got hauled off for.

As a footballer, irrespective of what he won at United, he was simply poor, and to have his Everton career defined by a tackle against Ronaldo says it all. There would be a queue stretching from Liverpool to London of players who would have nailed him given half the chance. It was a block tackle on an already off balance player and I could do that when I was eight.

I would love to see Phil Neville continuing his top flight career, at Liverpool. But we never get that lucky do we?

Graeme Barnes
39 Posted 12/04/2013 at 05:15:10
Everton had just been knocked out of the Champions League before it had really begun and Phil Neville had signed for us too — that was probably a mixed reaction at the time. I've never been his biggest fan, to say the least.

When he was bad, he was very bad and was usually the first call from the crowd to get him subbed. One thing I have held him in high esteem for though is his loyalty, commitment and superb leadership skills he has bought to Everton that have undoubtedly rubbed off on everyone he has played with.

I remember him being sent off in the derby in a 3-1 defeat at our place, therefore ruling him out of what was a massive game at Sunderland on New Year's Eve. Neville travelled up there as a spectator. Yes, he was club captain and people will say it's the least he could do... but in today's football you wouldn't get many players doing that. However, the thing that struck me most about him was that night in Bucharest.

We had been drawn away from home first and anyone who was there will recall just how bad we were that night, it was truly horrendous. We took about 2,000 with us and lost 5-1; the mood of the Everton support was as angry as I have witnessed in a long long time.

As the final whistle went, players such as Kilbane, Marcus Bent and even Ferguson were off down that tunnel like a shot, didn't clap the fans... just got out of there as quick as possible. I recall two or three players having the balls to come over to clap us: Nigel Martyn was one and the other Phil Neville. Neville kept walking and walking till he reached us despite the torrent of abuse he and the other players were getting.

My point is Neville had only been at the club a little while yet, from the day he set foot in the club, he has never hid or shirked responsibility. He didn't have to do what he did that night; players who had been there much longer didn't have the balls to come over so why should he have done? Fair play to him. He knew the score that night and what Everton means to the fans.

He has never been universally liked but, as mentioned, he has never once hid in his time at Everton; even at the Wigan debacle where he was dreadful, he kept asking for the ball. I hope he does okay after leaving Everton but, before he does go, I for one hope he signs off with the winner against the shite!

Mike Green
40 Posted 12/04/2013 at 05:29:22
Roman #795 - it might depend on who he lined up for :).

Nick #963 - you sound like some player! Maybe you could have a 'show us your medals' head to head with Neville? My money's on..... erm.................................Pip, though. />
Which is probably why he gets paid £40k per week. QED?

Nick Armitage
42 Posted 12/04/2013 at 11:18:56
Phil Neville won medals in a team which was dominating English football. They even won a league title when one of their forwards refused point blank to pass to another, that's how much of a stroll it was for them at times.

And Neville was never first choice in all his time there.

As soon as he enters a team with players of his own ability he is shown up for what he is, average.

Ray Jacques
43 Posted 12/04/2013 at 13:43:29
He must be the luckiest footballer alive. Played for Man U when he wasnt good enough and was carried for approx 8 years (that Fergie must be a bad manager) , and then 8 years at Everton (many as captain) and was crap throughout according to some posters on here.

Barry Stevens
44 Posted 12/04/2013 at 17:11:11
We will all admit he's never been the best player, but to put him in the same bracket as Tony Thomas etc is taking the biscuit.

At 3 million he has been a great buy. 100% effort always. Never hides from the ball. And had a quality that anyone who's played any standard of the game will recognise and that's talking on the pitch. Can see him becoming a great manager.

Ian Bennett
45 Posted 12/04/2013 at 22:00:54
Top post Graeme Barnes.
Peter Roberts
46 Posted 13/04/2013 at 20:44:57
I don't honestly get all this Neville-bashing people are dishing out, so I put to the likes of Andrew Presly the following:

1) Name a game where Phil Neville has given less than 100% for the Blue shirt, despite him growing up as a Manchester United fan and player.

2) Name an instance where Phil Neville has not accepted responsibility for his own mistakes - and then not vowed to try and redeem himself.

I suspect the above answers will both be NO. Because I see someone there who took the brave decision of moving down to a local rival (in locality as opposed to ability) and playing every game, over sitting picking splinters out of his backside while picking up winner's medals (and probably be on a lot more money).

I also see someone who has brought consistency to Everton. Our four previous finishes under Moyes (if you include the season he arrived 3/4 way through) were 4th, 17th, 7th, 16th. We were incredibly inconsistent and even though the season we finished 4th was magnificent, we were still a very green and very average side, and needed someone with leadership qualities who could steady the ship as well as play multiple positions. Since his arrival, we have had one season where we finished in the bottom half (11th, his first season), and since then finished no lower than 8th. It is also quite clear reading from his Twitter feed, that he is one of the characters at Everton, and is clearly one of the reasons our squad harmony is what it is.

So, for all those reasons above, he has my respect, irregardless of footballing ability which I'm sure he himself will be the first to admit ain't as good as others, and I wish him all the best and thanks for his service. I really, really wish we had won the FA Cup either this year or in 2009 so he could have achieved what he wanted here, sadly we won't get to do that, but thanks a lot anyway.


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