The meeting began with KEIOCs Colin Fitzpatrick taking us through the history of the clubs finances. Colin explained, using a series of slides of our accounts, how the club has become asset-stripped since Bill Kenwright took over. Our original balance sheet in 1999 valued the club overall at £20M. Now, in the latest accounts, as of 2012 we are now worth –£44M (thats negative!) and we do not own our training ground or any of our clubs shops.
Our Kitbag deal was compared in detail to the deals of other Premier League clubs with their suppliers. Liverpool, from their deal with Warrior, make approximately £150M over ten years which guarantees them £15M a season. Even West Brom were shown to be making more money than us.
The long and the short of it? Our club makes no money whatsoever, has no assets except for the players, and our stadium is outdated. All of those factors mean were simply not a viable business for an investor to put money into — no matter where we finish in the league. Any rich Arab or Yank will look at our accounts and decide they can get a better investment elsewhere, even with a lower league club. (The figures we were shown Im sure will be available on the Blue Union website, where you can read it all for yourself in more detail.)
Our new badge was discussed too and was rightfully jeered when it appeared on-screen. Everyone in attendance was urged to show their disapproval to the design and boycott all merchandise from “Kitbag One and Kitbag Two” – as they were referred to – until the club makes good on their promise to scrap it.
The Liverpool Echo also came under fire from Blue Union Chairman Dave Kelly who was unhappy at what he feels is still a lack of appropriate coverage from the local media. He and Colin revealed that, shortly after the Stan Collymore/TalkSport furore a few months ago, they both went to the Echo offices to meet with Echo Sports Editor, John Thompson. Whilst he was friendly and co-operative, the BU came away feeling that the Liverpool Echo was still not prepared to “ask the hard questions” of the Everton Board, such as challenging the poor financial performance and the Kitbag deal. Therefore, they arent interested in buying the paper anymore (many in attendance voiced their agreement). Kelly explained that the Echos Everton reporter Greg OKeefe is currently on holiday so he was not in attendance. Neil Jones (another Echo reporter) and a photographer were, however.
From there, it was handed over to the man wed all come to see. Mr Neville Southall himself.
“Tell me why Everton cant win the league next year?”
That was the question Southall put to the audience who had all showed up at The Casa on Hope Street on a roasting hot Saturday. There were a few murmurs in response among those on the floor but, from what I could hear, Southall spoke again before anyone gave him a direct answer.
“Thats the thing. Youve all been made to think finishing 6th is fucking great. Is it fuck!!!”
That was the main message Neville had come to deliver that afternoon at the Blue Union organised meeting. That Everton the club, and us the fans, have been selling ourselves short for too long.
Southall remains probably the most popular ex-player of our great club. Not only for his phenomenal achievements on the field but also for his character. Witty, engaging and honest, Southall is a man who makes people listen when he chooses to talk. He speaks his mind and doesnt care about whose feathers hell rustle or whose heads hell make shake. Thats why so many considered it a real coup for the Blue Union to get him to agree to come along and speak. Finally an ex-player would seemingly stand up and wouldnt just sing from the hymn sheet the Board hands to them.
One thing was made clear though by Dave Kelly before things got under way: Neville Southall was not there as a spokesman for the group — nor is he in any way officially affiliated with them. He had come because he was invited to share his views and answer whatever questions fans had for him — not to act as some sort of new bannerman. When the floor was opened to the audience, he was asked a variety of different questions such as;
- How far away does he see us from achieving Champions League football?
- What new players does he think we need?
- What does he think of Roberto Martinez?
- Who would have been his first choice for the managers job?
- Would he accept the goalkeeper coaching job now that Chris Woods has departed?
- Has he ever been approached by the club and been told to shut up?
- What are his thoughts on the protest marches and does he think they have an effect?
- What would his advice be to the BU and other protest groups going forward?
- Who would he entrust the future of the club to?
“Were not punching above our weight — were heavyweights and we should be fighting with the other heavyweights.”
In terms of new signings who the club will need to in order to compete, Neville said we need more depth to the squad so we can switch things around. He mentioned a new centre-half, a new centre-midfielder, a new striker to partner Jelavic and a new young goalkeeper (Jack Butland specifically).
Southall spoke about how he believes not enough youngsters are being allowed to come through the youth system or are being bought and then groomed for the first team. In terms of the current side, he believes that we have too many players who burn out over the course of a season yet we have no-one to replace them with and that was ultimately why weve fallen short in recent years.
“Players like Jelavic, when they have a bad time, they need to come out of the side for a bit and be given a rest for a few weeks, but they need to be replaced by someone reliable. We brought in that Anichebe, that lad couldnt trap his fucking fingers in the door.” (Que much laughter!)
In regards to Roberto Martinez, who only a week ago he dismissed a man who – if we hired – would show our “lack of ambition”, Southall has said he will back him 100% and that he will bring something new to the team. He did reaffirm though that Roberto wouldnt have been the man hed have chosen. When asked who his first choice was, Neville came up with an interesting suggestion:
“Gianfranco Zola. He plays good football and is known worldwide. Hes the type of manager who would convince top players to sign for us because theyd want to play under him. Look at what hes done for Watford.” Zola brought in a huge list of players there last year and very nearly achieved promotion whilst playing some fantastic football.
A member of the audience then spoke to suggest that, now that Chris Woods is departing Goodison Park with David Moyes, surely Neville himself would be a fantastic candidate for the newly vacant goalkeeping coach? Southall really came to life at this stage of the meeting as he made his feelings on a few things perfectly clear...
He is not interested at all in accepting the coaching job or any official role with the club and theres no chance he would ever be offered it anyway. He explained how he believes coaching in football has become far too complicated and that it shouldnt be about “jumping through fucking hoops and doing exercises because, by doing that, players arent learning anything.”
He is of the opinion that coaching is all in the mind. All a coach should have to do with a player is sit down and talk to them, understand them and get inside their heads.
“I dont see the point of having all these dieticians and conditioning people dealing with the players. The best players are the ones who have something upstairs and you can see that. A coaching session should be 10 minutes of just a coach and a player having a talk. If theyre any good, thats all they should need.”
Southall also told us that hes never been approached by the club and been told to quieten down because he believes they know he just wouldnt listen to them.
“What are they going to do, ban me? They cant do that. Well they can I suppose, but imagine what would happen if they did.”
He did admit that certain people had found out he was going to be attending this meeting and had tried to warn him off of it. Out of respect (probably because it was a fellow ex-player), he wouldnt name whom it was.
Then it came to what everyone had been waiting for: how he feels about protest groups such as the BU and their aims? Neville told the audience he believes the Blue Union might have a PR problem when trying to deliver their message. Theyre perhaps being seen by other fans as a group that asks a lot of questions but cannot come up with any of their own answers.
“People keep saying, he needs to sell the club and leave. But the problem is, whos he going to give it too? When you cant come up with an answer, it hurts your credibility. Maybe if you went out and found someone, then that would make fans who dont like you listen more.”
Protests outside or inside the ground also make no difference – at least not to the players.
“They dont give a fuck. On a matchday, all you think about is the game. You dont care about whats going on outside the ground or in the stands; all they care about is whats happening on the pitch, so protests dont really do anything.”
When it came to Bill Kenwright and his current tenure, Neville was restrained but clear:
“Im not his biggest fan but he did save the club when we were in big trouble and there was no-one else. He could make himself a legend if he found a buyer for the club. Everyone doesnt like him right now but he could come out of this smelling of roses if he could find a buyer. But, until he does, everyone will just think hes useless. If hes the Chairman of the Peoples Club, then he should talk to the people. Why not come on the pitch and address the fans? Tell the fans whats happening and who youve spoken to...”
Southall did speak about his appreciation for Sir Phillip Carter whom, he says, truly cares about the clubs well-being. He put forward him as a suggestion as someone who could help find us a buyer.
The final question, and probably the most touching, was one from a man stood just in front of where I was standing. He asked Neville:
“Everyone always says the same thing. Once Everton touches you, youre never the same. As an outsider of sorts, what is it, Neville? What is it about Everton that makes it feel so special to people who come here?”
Neville answered:
“Because youre wonderful people and a wonderful city. Youve achieved so much. You have the best football teams, the best fans, the best music, the best sense of humour. Youve took on everything that every Tory government has thrown at you and youve never let them beat you. Youre a fantastic group of people — but you always seem to put yourselves down and sell yourselves short and I dont know why. Youre all fantastic and you should feel fantastic.” (Que a huge round of applause!)
From there, Big Nevs set finished and the Blue Union asked those in attendance for suggestions on how supporters want the campaign to move forward.
Suggestions included:
- A peaceful protest outside the Philharmonic Hall for the EGM meeting on the 26th of this month;
- Arranging these meetings to become more frequent to keep up the momentum;
- A boycott of matches (that was dismissed with Big Nev saying “What are you going to do all weekend? Talk to your fucking missus?);
- And one lad even suggesting that we try to set up a fan consortium to buy the club.
I came away feeling it was an afternoon very well spent. I mixed with some fellow blues, got to meet an Everton idol, and had the pleasure of being part of his audience as he expressed his honest views like a true Evertonian (and cracked a few corkers, theres so many I havent included). This absolutely wasnt another Howard Kendall at Zeligs Bar revisited — this was a truly insightful and entertaining event Id attended.
Where the Blue Union and the Club each go next remains to be seen... I however came away from their meeting feeling very proud to be an Evertonian. Im sure anyone else who attended and heard Big Nev speak will tell you the same.
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2 Posted 09/06/2013 at 23:00:28
He made some fantastic points and cracked some absolutely hilarious jokes, some of them about people in the audience. A real top fella, I hope I go to another function sort of thing where he's there again. Could listen to him all day.
3 Posted 09/06/2013 at 23:04:29
I haven't wrote a fan article in a while though and I'm just starting to get back into it again. Hopefully if I submit anymore I'll be able to correct my own mistakes a bit more thoroughly.
4 Posted 09/06/2013 at 23:13:17
Take your time to fix it if you like. Send me bits of corrected text or just copy and repaste the entire thing with corrections.
5 Posted 09/06/2013 at 23:31:08
6 Posted 10/06/2013 at 00:11:18
Michael, I've re-submitted the article after copying and pasting it and making a couple tweaks and corrections after taking my time like you said. I think it should be fine now. Thanks for posting it. :)
7 Posted 10/06/2013 at 00:22:16
As for Neville Southall, everything a legend should be.
8 Posted 10/06/2013 at 00:32:22
9 Posted 10/06/2013 at 00:35:13
As far as I'm concerned, we get nothing; that is until the club are prepared to say what we get and – at the time of the launch – it was reported from them that there was no money, just new marketing opportunities... so nothing.
10 Posted 10/06/2013 at 00:37:22
11 Posted 10/06/2013 at 00:42:16
He would be fine sitting on the World Cup Final panel of 1970, with Crerand, Dougan, Allison, Clough and the deceptively pleasant and wonderfully buck-toothed Bob McNab. Men who actually, and it seems insane now, said what they thought.
Hurting someone's feelings just can't happen now. I reckon Bill Kenwright might just be sensitive enough to find hurt feelings a reason to think it's no longer worthwhile.
12 Posted 10/06/2013 at 00:47:59
It's a shame the live stream went belly up and it couldn't be shown. Everything else I've read about the meeting since it's happened has just been fans have petty arguments with each other and not actually talking about what went down or what was said.
Since it was Sunday and I had nothing to do, I thought I'd just write this and try my best to explain – to any fan who couldn't attend but wants to know – what went on what happened in as best detail as I could. Hopefully a transcript or something is released soon.
13 Posted 10/06/2013 at 00:53:47
Good work to produce your report so quickly. I have to say I was very impressed with Neville, he gave an interesting insight, offered a balanced view and was really funny, the put down of the guy in the Italian shirt was a classic .
Here's one to get a little interest!. That was the vehicle Rom Capital [Hudson Properties] used for Finch Farm; I wonder if it's been sold?
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14 Posted 10/06/2013 at 01:34:07
Once again, many thanks... Are you up for a reprise at the Shareholders gig on the 26th?
15 Posted 10/06/2013 at 02:10:02
16 Posted 10/06/2013 at 02:57:51
17 Posted 10/06/2013 at 03:19:16
By saying (in effect) "You have to have a better answer before you can raise an objection" is just unrealistic. The ones perpetrating the mistakes need to be held to account, first and foremost; they are the ones who need to fix the mistake they created.
A perfect example is The Badge!!! I can't believe they pulled such a fast one on the Everton Community with this "yeah, okay, we were wrong... but live with it for next season" bullshit. By doing what they did, they successfully (and brilliantly, I must admit) silenced all opposition in one fell swoop and totally neutralized the negative campaign against that abomination. By this time next year, it will be the accepted Everton badge.
18 Posted 10/06/2013 at 04:28:17
Dave in Japan
–£44million.... Can we come back from that?
19 Posted 10/06/2013 at 05:54:20
Congratulations on what one reader considers one of the best fan articles ever posted here.
And many thanks for the hard work.
20 Posted 10/06/2013 at 05:54:44
21 Posted 10/06/2013 at 06:20:37
Maybe a chance for someone like Trust Everton to buy it on the cheap?
22 Posted 10/06/2013 at 06:58:18
23 Posted 10/06/2013 at 08:15:16
The real thing of interest is that if Colin Fitzpatrick is correct in his financial analysis (at least as interpreted by Paul) then we're inevitably stuffed aren't we? That is, if "Our club makes no money whatsoever, has no assets except for the players, and our stadium is outdated. All of those factors mean were simply not a viable business for an investor to put money into — no matter where we finish in the league", then there's no 'viable' solution is there? We can 'aim higher' all we like.
Of the suggestions, what will a protest outside of the EGM achieve? Get the existing shareholders to invest more of their own money? Why would they do that if it's not a viable business? What is the point of investment that will see it a viable business? Will a protest get the board to work harder to find outside investor'? Again, on Colin's/Paul's analysis, it's not a viable business, no matter how hard they work. Any why would anybody in their right mind, even if they are a fan, contribute to a consortium to buy an unviable business?
As for boycotting matches, yeah, good idea: that'll help the finances.
Colin, Paul, somebody, please tell me: what is the sensible solution that will turn Everton into a viable business? I'm not being facetious here. On Colin's premises, as reported by Paul, I'm struggling to see how we can get out of this.
24 Posted 10/06/2013 at 08:52:03
Steve #734 The solution to me is simple, the directors just have to accept they've made a right mess of this and be realistic in the valuation they need to accept.....I believe a Delta to Lime Street is about four quid ;-)
The problems will ease next year when the £25m increase in TV money starts to kick in but the fundamental problems will still be there; we have the wrong owners. I'd like to say that they've tried their best but – looking at their track records elsewhere, which are good – I can't say I can.
25 Posted 10/06/2013 at 09:05:55
How I echo everything Big Nev said about the fans' lack of expectation and the complete and utter bollocks coaching has become.
Most old pros I've spoken to agree it's just TV and the papers are filled with vacuous blockheads justifying their expenses with gibberish about "false number 9's" and judging everything via Opta stats – pricks.
26 Posted 10/06/2013 at 09:37:33
These two things are at odds to me. Zola made 14 loan signings in 2012-13, rather than giving youth players a chance. The vast majority of those loan players will not be there next year and Watford will effectively have to start from scratch again. 8 of their starting 11 in the play-off final were loanees.
27 Posted 10/06/2013 at 09:31:12
We have already seen that Man City have already agreed to buy two players for in excess of £50 million, Arsenal are reported to be willing to spend over £70 million this transfer window and for the foreseeable years now their new ground is paid for. Then we know both Chelsea and Man Utd will also spend big.
So it is becoming near impossible to compete with these clubs, but even the next group of clubs like Spurs and Liverpool will also be spending in the transfer window.
28 Posted 10/06/2013 at 10:16:30
Er.. there have since been many fan submitted "answers."
Eric Myles, so BU found the gazillionaire? What's his/her name?
29 Posted 10/06/2013 at 10:33:45
That's a shareholders meeting and as I far as I know only shareholders can attend them right? I'm not a shareholder so I don't think I'm allowed to go. If I'm wrong and it is open to normal fans then that's something I honestly didn't know, I've never been to any AGMs or EGMS because Kenwright scrapped them before I got a a chance so I don't know how they work.
30 Posted 10/06/2013 at 10:39:26
31 Posted 10/06/2013 at 11:24:18
32 Posted 10/06/2013 at 11:26:31
33 Posted 10/06/2013 at 14:03:07
If Kendall had stayed with Everton, things maybe a lot different than they are today. The rot had already set in when he returned briefly in the 1990s.
34 Posted 10/06/2013 at 18:33:19
35 Posted 11/06/2013 at 17:55:40
Chris, surely what Zola was doing re the loanees was a means to an end? If Watford had been promoted then the sudden influx of money would have helped them recruit players of sufficient quality to possibly help them to stay up. It is also possible that Watford's youth set up isn't good enough to supply quality young players who would have helped in their promotion push. Zola has always impressed me as a player and appears to be a decent man who appreciates good football and may well have been a good choice had we not brought in Martinez. We've also used the loan system to good effect ourselves in recent years. Needs must...
36 Posted 12/06/2013 at 12:35:37
MANY people I know have seen him locally at a "Sportsmans Dinner", where he frankly was awful, made no effort and managed nothing more that "Yes or No" answers, took the money and fucked off.
So he swore in a meeting full of an EVERTONIAN pressure group, so fucking what ?
About time.
I love Big Nev for being probably the greatest player apart from Alan Ball that I'll ever see in an EVERTON shirt. He always was a contrary bastard and pig ignorant when it suited him. But William Ralph was no bloody pushover either.
He makes a HUGE and important point, moan all you like and you'll change fuck all. Come up with a solution and THEN you'll effect change.
If all these financial claims are true (and I'm neither doubting nor agreeing at this stage) then it's clear why no-one has bought EVERTON, 'cos there's nothing to buy.
I don't disagree with Big Nev's suggestion for Zola to have become our manager, I thought that meself.
Coaching, well to a point I agree with Nev. BUT
Is that why HE was the first to arrive and the last to go home and worked his nuts off diving about for 30, 60, 90 mins after everyone else was well gone ?
I watched Nev barrack a promising England right back called Matty Jackson, and week bey week Matty crumbled thanks in part to Big Nevs efforts.
Sadly Big Nev seems to see things in simple cut n dried, black n white terms
But for a keeper a clean sheet is a clean sheet, and he kept more than a Lions share of them
Would I let him coach our keepers ?
YES
Not all day every day
But YES
Nev wasnt just a winner
NEV was THE GREATEST amongst winners
He knows that
WE know that
He could have played anywhere on the park and been a winner with his drive
But He did the hardest job there is in football
And he remains to this day head and shoulders clear of any rival
Sir John would echo Big Nevs passion n drive if not every word he said, BUT Sir John would have known how to harness that IMMENSE power for good
Big Nev embodies
Nil Satis Nisi Optimum
And I reckon I'll be along to BU meetings from now on
If you're not part of the solution
YOU ARE THE PROBLEM
37 Posted 12/06/2013 at 13:23:40
Just a note of thanks
I was in two minds to go to the meeting
Your feedback, is from an absentee point of view, interesting and intriguing enough for me to regret not being there.
TBH I don't give a toss if the report isn't professional, the views that matter most to me are the views of fellow EVERTONIANS. That's why I value TW and other fansites....even the red ones
You have written enough, well enough
Thanks mate.
38 Posted 12/06/2013 at 19:37:43
39 Posted 17/06/2013 at 22:35:17
There was also a lot I disagreed with Big Nev. 25 years ago, finishing 6th would be crap whereas 15 years ago it would be great. To be honest, most fans accept that's a decent finish with what we've got to play with, we are a heavyweight, with the muscle of a lightweight.
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1 Posted 09/06/2013 at 22:47:23
I like this Southall fella... he sounds like the real deal!!!