Season 2012-13
Opinion
Talking Points
The Liverpool - Chelsea Dilemma
I would usually expect to back whoever is playing Liverpool – regardless of how loathsome they might be in their own right.
However, this weekend, I am facing up to cheering on Liverpool against Chelsea. I wonder if others are doing the same or are you struggling with the following dilemmas:
1) Are you happy to want a Liverpool win when it benefits us or do you always want them to lose – even if we cut off our own noses in the process?
2) Are you looking downwards and wanting a Chelsea win so that we won't finish below 6th?
3) Or are you looking upwards wanting a Chelsea defeat so that they get drawn back towards us – even though we then have a greater risk that we might get caught for 6th?
Double dilemma or no-brainer? I am curious how other blues see it...
Damian Kelly, Posted 18/04/2013 at 17:18:33
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686 Posted 18/04/2013 at 18:12:15
687 Posted 18/04/2013 at 18:15:19
688 Posted 18/04/2013 at 18:19:13
689 Posted 18/04/2013 at 18:19:47
CL is a bit spoof ... "jam tomorrow" given our recent cup exploits, Chelsea for me with Torres scoring 6 and benitez waving a flag saying "kopites are gobshites".
690 Posted 18/04/2013 at 18:25:45
One game at a time and lets rely on our performances rather than wanting others to help out... COYB.
692 Posted 18/04/2013 at 18:39:21
696 Posted 18/04/2013 at 19:00:22
697 Posted 18/04/2013 at 19:04:55
698 Posted 18/04/2013 at 19:09:56
699 Posted 18/04/2013 at 19:12:18
700 Posted 18/04/2013 at 19:20:04
703 Posted 18/04/2013 at 19:46:29
704 Posted 18/04/2013 at 19:31:58
I think all the games before the Chelsea match are winnable:
Sunderland(a)
Fulham(h)
Liverpool(a)
West Ham(h)
I'm being very optimistic here, but if we win all them 4 games, we will be on 68 points going into the Chelsea game and might of already qualified our selves. As iv'e said i'm being very optimistic and Arsenal and Spurs will after slip up.
707 Posted 18/04/2013 at 19:56:37
I am always of the opinion that the only games I am interested in are Everton games.
I truly have never looked at a RS game until we played them. As soon as it's over I don't think of it, as far as I'm concerned they are just another team.
I know it'sounds daft but I was born and brought up in Everton but to me they're just another piece of shite to beat !
708 Posted 18/04/2013 at 19:39:00
709 Posted 18/04/2013 at 19:55:16
You may well be right and our chances may indeed be slim, but we can keep dreaming can't we? even if it only lasts a little while longer.
710 Posted 18/04/2013 at 19:55:03
714 Posted 18/04/2013 at 20:17:49
716 Posted 18/04/2013 at 20:15:47
717 Posted 18/04/2013 at 20:26:49
719 Posted 18/04/2013 at 20:27:36
Our enemies enemy is our friend (for 90 minutes at least).
720 Posted 18/04/2013 at 20:41:09
722 Posted 18/04/2013 at 20:39:18
We need to get as many points as possible and hope our rivals drop as many points as possible. Obviously.
724 Posted 18/04/2013 at 20:42:49
Sunderland will be a hotbed of passion etc for all the obvious reasons but Everton are a better team than Sunderland and should just concentrate on their opponents and not the occasion etc.
Everton being Everton however we can never take anything as a foregone conclusion. We are just as likely to beat Sunderland, Liverpool and Chelsea away and then regret the draws at home against Fulham and WHU! Come on Blues, you can do it – come on Chelsea you can do it!
725 Posted 18/04/2013 at 20:58:09
On that basis I'm looking for a chelsea win.
726 Posted 18/04/2013 at 20:50:28
We needed to beat both Spurs & Arsenal to be in with a genuine shout.
So, with Terry & Suarez making it look like a Klan Rally, I want Liverpool to get absolutely gubbed, Carragher & Coutinho sent off, Rodgers to lose the plot Keegan-style, Gerrard & Suarez stretchered off with career-ending injuries.
In the rain.
728 Posted 18/04/2013 at 21:05:53
729 Posted 18/04/2013 at 21:04:03
We look more likely to finish top 4 than Man City did to win the title at this stage last season
730 Posted 18/04/2013 at 21:10:10
733 Posted 18/04/2013 at 21:06:09
Kevin, I'd settle for Carragher, Couinho, Gerrard and Suarez all sent off with the last two fighting on the way off the field - 5 match ban for bringing the game in to disrepute.
740 Posted 18/04/2013 at 20:48:59
741 Posted 18/04/2013 at 21:25:32
744 Posted 18/04/2013 at 21:31:11
Europe is unlikely and I even said a few weeks ago that we had no chance, however if results go our way (big if I know), we really do have a shot. Beat sunderland and if citeh beat spurs,we go 5th - which I think we might still get (don't think we will make CL).
Let start with a win away to Sunderland, if we don't get 3 points there then the Liverpool game probably doesn't matter anymore anyway.
745 Posted 18/04/2013 at 21:25:11
How true, otherwise we would all be winning thousands on the coupon each week.
There'll be some twists yet, all we need to do is concentrate on winning our games, never mind Chelsea winning at Anfield, if we can do that it might help to take us somewhere special and if nothing else end the season with a bit of a fillip.
COYB!
749 Posted 18/04/2013 at 21:42:50
Personally, I have a few bets on we will finish above the shite, so I want Chelsea to stuff the twats.
756 Posted 18/04/2013 at 21:49:42
That is, if we don't suddenly go into administration, have points 30 deduced and get relegated
758 Posted 18/04/2013 at 21:46:35
He'd probably moan if he won the lottery because he had to share it with another winner. Cheer up Kunal!
764 Posted 18/04/2013 at 21:51:12
I agree its unlikely we will finish 4th, but what i'm talking about is your defeatist attitude to everything iv'e ever read from your posts on toffeeweb. I like to have a good moan, but iv'e never seen you say anything positive once. It maybe because I haven't been part of toffeeweb that long
766 Posted 18/04/2013 at 22:05:47
769 Posted 18/04/2013 at 22:14:12
Is it any wonder we are classed as bitter blues?
That vicious statement you made is typical of the bitterness displayed by lots of Evertonians.
A neutral would struggle to understand your mentality.
Get in there you fuckin beauty.
773 Posted 18/04/2013 at 22:26:08
Come on Chelsea!
774 Posted 18/04/2013 at 22:25:24
776 Posted 18/04/2013 at 22:30:54
779 Posted 18/04/2013 at 22:09:45
I hate them equally, the fans the grounds the players the managers even the bloke who announces the teams and the goal scorers.
Kevin #726, I can not quite wish injury on a player, but players sent off fighting supporters fighting, games abandoned are all wishes I have for them.
So, I can never decide who I want to win, trouble is we find ourselves sandwiched this weekend, could we catch CFCS and can we avoid being caught by LFC? I really do not know so I can only wish the worst upon them both.
As I posted on the other thread, if Chelsea win the Europa but do not get in the CL another place (note not extra) place is available to the PL positions and so on that basis I am almost thinking the unthinkable.
Football, I hate it
780 Posted 18/04/2013 at 22:27:57
Karl -Likewise, plenty of times where I have posted opinions 'on positive notes'. I think your confused with moaning and realism/expectations.I don't need justifying supporting Everton to you or anyone else for that matter!
781 Posted 18/04/2013 at 22:45:10
783 Posted 18/04/2013 at 22:40:57
Kunal, come on mate - along with many others on this site, I am hoping for that elusive 4th spot. Yeah, maybe you're right, we won't get it this year but tell me, when was the last time you were able to talk 4th spot, enjoy analysing the remaining games and discuss with the boys over many vodka/cranberry drinks who you'd pick up should we come across that line for 4th! Nothing wrong with dreaming I'd say! #COYB!
790 Posted 18/04/2013 at 22:58:09
794 Posted 18/04/2013 at 23:13:29
798 Posted 18/04/2013 at 23:44:54
Being an Evertonian has always been a roller coaster ride of highs and lows, but as somebody else said only once in the last twenty three seasons simce 1990 have we come fourth or been in with a shout of it so late in the season. These are good times if you think about it relatively speaking. You are bad enough now, what the hell would you have been like in 1994, 1998 or the Walter years?
800 Posted 19/04/2013 at 00:03:41
804 Posted 19/04/2013 at 00:45:40
On the Liv-Che game it's easy. I just won't watch it.
806 Posted 19/04/2013 at 01:40:53
808 Posted 19/04/2013 at 01:58:52
Once more, with feeling...I hope both the fuckers lose!
As Bonniie Tyler says...it's a hard egg
810 Posted 19/04/2013 at 02:57:10
811 Posted 19/04/2013 at 02:52:35
As for the RS v Chelsea game, I want Chelsea to thump them, and thump them hard. I want the RS below us for another year. Moreover, without CL or Europa League money, they will start to feel the almighty dollar pinch. They'll have to sell Suarez and maybe a few others, an replace them with Titus Bramble, who'll the the only type of player they can afford !
We should aim for 5th !
812 Posted 19/04/2013 at 04:44:49
I do think we have a chance to sneak past Spurs into 5th.
814 Posted 19/04/2013 at 06:06:53
818 Posted 19/04/2013 at 06:29:33
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/eng_prem/predictor/default.stm
According to my objective predictions, (ahem!) we finish 3rd, 1 point ahead of Arsenal and 13 ahead of the Shite - even if they beat Chelsea this weekend.
If Chelsea win, we can only finish 4th, so perversely I don't give a shit who wins.
Seriously though, the ONLY thing that matters is beating both of them away - without ALL those 6 points, there is NO chance of better than 5th - but if we get them, 4th is realistic, and even 3rd is still a long shot if we go unbeaten.
Taking the blue-tinted specs off, I think 5th is realistic.
820 Posted 19/04/2013 at 07:28:37
We still have an outside chance of a top four place and Chelsea currently occupy one of those slots so we need them to lose, even if they play our deluded neighbours.
The RS are an irrelevance when it comes to the CL race. As long as we do the business at Sunderland we'll still at least be 6 points clear of them come Sunday evening.
821 Posted 19/04/2013 at 07:50:06
823 Posted 19/04/2013 at 07:48:06
I have never ever wanted them to win unless, as said above, it meant us staying up (god forbid that scenario ever happens!).
As has been said, even if Chelsea did lose we have no chance of finishing in the top 4, even if we did we need to do it on our own merit, not rely on those scumbags across to park to help us.
CoOme on guys get a grip !!!
832 Posted 19/04/2013 at 08:52:35
Kevin Hudson, brilliant vision although I might have said freak snow or sleet and rat face career ending injury caused by his own attempt to cripple John Terry who then stamped his teeth into the penalty spot. The Chavs to win, Christ I'd back anyone to beat that shower.
844 Posted 19/04/2013 at 08:23:03
Even if they where playing the Jimmy Saville Celebrity 11, with
Rolf Harris In Goal, Stuart Hall, Jim Davidson, Michael Barrymore, Dave Lee Travis, Len Fairclough, Kevin Webster, Saville Capt, Gary Glitter, Michael Jackson and Luis Suarez up front.
I'd be shouting "come on you paedos" do you think that's a bit to far ?
Nah
I fecking Hate them
848 Posted 19/04/2013 at 10:59:38
And we should have drawn with Chelsea at Goodison.
866 Posted 19/04/2013 at 12:12:02
I have a couple of friends who are Chelsea fans and have worked with one or two more. Nowt wrong with them. I even got a text from one after they beat us at Goodison saying "Sorry, we really did NOT deserve that". To a man, they always dreaded playing us, home or away.
877 Posted 19/04/2013 at 13:20:11
There speaketh two proper Evertonians.
880 Posted 19/04/2013 at 13:23:06
If we lose to Chelsea on the last game and lose at Anfield as we usually do then they'll probably finish above us.
I want to finish above them first and foremost. We won't get 4th now anyway unless we win every remaining game.
881 Posted 19/04/2013 at 13:28:24
You'd have to now add Rolf Harris to that squad.
883 Posted 19/04/2013 at 13:29:18
884 Posted 19/04/2013 at 13:29:22
890 Posted 19/04/2013 at 13:23:07
I loved the positivity police joke.
Kunal I wasn't meaning to gang up on you, I didn't expect Karl to get involved and start having a go as well. I was just making an observation on your posts that iv'e seen since I joined toffeeWeb a couple of months ago
893 Posted 19/04/2013 at 14:20:17
What I don't understand is the 'throw in the towel before you've entered the ring' mentality. If you're gonna think like that what's the point in even playing?
Maybe it's a form of self-preservation, not getting your hopes up?!
For me at least, the day I stop believing is the day football loses it's spark. COYB!!!
895 Posted 19/04/2013 at 14:37:00
We will then be in a position to know what we have to do at stamford bridge.
It is very possible we could get fourth place as the other contenders play each other
906 Posted 19/04/2013 at 15:29:12
For a team of alleged sex attackers/paedos/molesters, I think it looks a fairly well-balanced side with a good mix of experience and youth.
However if Moyes does leave us in the summer and HE were to take over the reins of the alleged sex offenders squad, you would have to expect the immediate inclusion of Neville Neville, who would no doubt keep his place whatever.
In fact I almost hear...
Moyes: "Neville Neville is the first name on mah team sheet and even if the boy ended up being tried in the states and given the electric chair, I'd still select him. I know many want tae see Kevin Webster but he's wan fae the future and needs time tae develop. With that in mind, he's awa aff on loan for a month with the psychopathic murderers"
Etc
920 Posted 19/04/2013 at 16:27:40
Carraghar would murder him.
922 Posted 19/04/2013 at 16:49:00
Eugene, Kevin Jones, Do you have a subs bench for the Paedo XI? No place for the striking partnership of Brady and Huntley?
928 Posted 19/04/2013 at 17:17:09
Kevin Jones actually put the side together and I'm sure he wouldn't want anyone fiddling with it.
That doesn't sound right...erm...I mean, I bet he wouldn't want anyone shoving their oar in!
Er... I mean.... interfering with him.
Oh bollocks, I give up.
934 Posted 19/04/2013 at 17:50:47
937 Posted 19/04/2013 at 18:14:52
955 Posted 19/04/2013 at 19:48:46
981 Posted 19/04/2013 at 21:10:46
983 Posted 19/04/2013 at 21:16:31
986 Posted 19/04/2013 at 21:48:22
987 Posted 19/04/2013 at 21:49:43
Apparently Rolf' Harris is now denying he did "Two Little Boys" back in the 70's
988 Posted 19/04/2013 at 21:53:23
991 Posted 19/04/2013 at 22:04:49
992 Posted 19/04/2013 at 22:06:53
994 Posted 19/04/2013 at 22:18:09
996 Posted 19/04/2013 at 22:25:47
997 Posted 19/04/2013 at 22:29:46
Well, I got into a Dingo...
000 Posted 19/04/2013 at 22:41:07
"Tie me kangaroo down, mate"
The DIRTY BASTARD....
012 Posted 19/04/2013 at 23:57:22
1. Chelsea are beyond us now anyway with 2 games in hand
2. Our best scenario now is to go to Stamford Bridge on the last day with them already having sown up 3rd (so their more concerned with their imminent trips to the Caribbean)
3. They still have to play spurs so were gonna need them to win that game if we have a chance of 5th/6th.
4. Their playing the shite and its never a bad thing to watch them lose.
So first and foremost i'll be an evertonian, then a fulham fan, then a city fan, and a chelsea win to top it off will do me fine. Coyb
013 Posted 20/04/2013 at 00:10:30
020 Posted 20/04/2013 at 01:07:40
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685 Posted 18/04/2013 at 18:05:50