Moyes calm over contract

But then again I've been outrageously optimistic at the beginning of most of the last 6 or 7 seasons.

If I recall rightly Moysey fucking around over signing a new contact was a major contributing factor to pissing all over my optimism and fucking up one of our seasons a little while back.

If were handling contract negotiations at thw club I would say "See that contact. Just sign the fucker and let's start this season right."

( This is one of the multitude of reasons why i'm not handling contract negotiations at the club. )

It makes total sense for Moyes to play the long game; make Bluey sweat, I say.

Well done, so far.

As for Moyes, I agree let's sort out the squad, the start to the season etc. before we worry about his extension or otherwise.

One point often cited on this site is that he is shit because he hasn't won a trophy in his 10 years at the club. But guess how may other English teams have actually won something during that time outside of the Sky 5 of Man Utd, Man City, Arsenal, Chelsea and the shite?

The answer - 4

Tottenham 1 league cup
Middlesborough 1 league cup
Birmingham 1 league Cup
Portsmouth 1 Fa Cup

Of these 4 clubs, how many would you want to swap places with now? Only Spurs I'd say.

Sign it or don't, stay or don't, not really arsed as long as it doesn't affect the mood of the team.

If he threatens BK to 'walk', where exactly is he going to go? Become manager of Partick Thistle or something? He will only be taking a step down or at best sideways (although even sideways is a big 'if').

IMO Moyes needs Kenwright as much as Kenwright needs Moyes - also Davey boy is not going to walk away lightly from one of the cushiest and highest paying jobs in WORLD football management.

Let him run his contract down and if Kenwright is unwilling to let him go, then at least pay him a damnsite less. I cannot see how Moyes can call BKs bluff when he's got no better alternative - which BK presumably also knows.

The writing was on the wall when we were playing Chelsea away in the league cup semi and they went down to 10 men, we made no attempt to go and try and win the tie we sat back and then ended up getting beat.

So I'll wish him well for the future, say thanks for the hard work and effort you have put in but its time to move on when his contract runs out.

Given his populist shout about pay cuts quite the reverse.

Bet he wishes he'd give that little beaut a bit more thought.

You havent been paying attention.

If Moyes doesnt sign, soon we will all be forced to witness Peter Bary`s favourite chairman sheading whats left of his dignity by crawling on his hands and knees and begging.

The argument that nobody wants him is a stupid one, he works for a guy who will make him one of the highest earning managers in the history of the game.if thats what it takes to keep him.

Wish nobody wanted me that badly

Maybe. Could be the budget we have left after a shitload of bank forced cost cutting/departures as well.

Moyes has. delicately, made it clear this summer he would welcome a new challenge if an opportunity he deemed suitable presented itself. Why would he make things more complicated by opening talks on a new deal, one that could cause strife by the talks stagnating or remaining unsigned? If signed the compo due would just compromise his "out".

Moyes may well be thinking transfers. He may well be thinking Moyes as well. He has been loyal to somewhat self defeating purposes, you could envisage a scenario where he feels he has been loyal enough. Either way, he most certainly holds all the aces.

Of those 4, they were pretty lucky to face easier opposition or significantly weakened top sides. We didn't.br />
Moyes could have 25 years at the club and win nothing. The facts remain good players win trophies, and we haven't had enough of them due to the financial constraints. He might be a Gordon lee, but until he gets the dough we will never know.

I'm sure Birmingham were playing a pretty strong Arsenal side but hey I may have been dreaming. I'm also sure that Portsmouth went away to Man Utd and won in the cup but then again maybe I'm mistaken. I'm also pretty certain that Spurs were regarded as a much better team than Everton when we took them apart in the semi final and that Man Utd were odds on to beat us in the final!

On another note, my point is simply that Kenwright should not let himself held to ransom. IMO Moyes is not going to be able to get a manager position at a club better than Everton so why should we offer him another bumber package?

Our financial position has gotten worse if anything, since the last time he was offered a massive pay rise. I would hope to see his pay GO DOWN if he was offered a new contract (god forbid!)

Seem to remember a 20% pay cut suggestion being mentioned by a certain someone not to long ago!

Whatever happens I don't believe he should be offered an inflated new contract..Nor do I believe he is playing a devious game to exert pressure on Kenwright, in fact his loyalty to him seems boundless.

If the next ten months go well a new contract with a 20% reduction seems fair, after all it was his idea.

Interestingly you didn't answer my original question: "Which of the clubs who have won something outside the Sky 5 would you want to swap places with aside from maybe Spurs?

The fact is Ian, whilst Moyes hasn't "looked like winning anything in ten years" neither have countless other managers during that period. We have no right to have expected to win anything during those ten years and with Jose or Sir Alex as manager, chances are we wouldn't have won anything during that period anyway. Why? Because the trophies are in the vast majority of times won by the monied clubs and we haven't been one of them.

So perhaps 2 went against the form guide out of 20. Perhaps we should have won a league cup or two. It is the easiest to win, but for whatever reason we have managed it in over 100 years. Part of those last 10 years we didn't really try. It would be nice for just one season where the first team XI play in every round and we take it really seriously.

Knock Moyes, but you need to knock the players as well. For some they are decent enough but mentally weak when the pressure is on, a mini England if you like. We miss some Andy gray's, Peter reid's, a carragher or a gerrard, who just refuse to lose when it matters.

Will try to persuade you that Moysie is not all bad!!

To answer your question about swapping places with other teams. I support Everton I am not interested in other teams. I just happen to think that Moyes is the modern day version of Gordon Lee. He's a good manager but he isn't a winner.

Ian - Yes Portsmouth did beat Cardiff but they beat Man Utd away to get there. It's not just about the players if it was Porto wouldn't have won the Champions League under Mourinho and we wouldn't have won the cup under Joe Royle.

"Part of those 10 years we didn't really try" - are you kidding me. If you believe that then right there in your own words is reason enough to get rid of Moyes!

However, despite this, I don't think moyes work in progressing this club and his impressive pound per point ratio can be overlooked. He is an incredibly hard work manager with great integrity who in his time has turned us from relegation fodder to a team that all the less wealthy clubs aspire to emulate. In my opinion he has more than earned the money we pay him and if he does sign another contract I will rest happy in the knowledge we are in safe hands.

This man has earned a fortune by ,seemingly, being the only man on earth who could have kept Everton in the premier league. The gratitude of many Evertonians to him is hard to comprehend. His dithering over the last contract was appalling. He drew no concessions from Kenwright but drew a few more quid into his bank account.

I find it incredible that our annual utterly inept starts are forgotten every summer when he turns round the mess he has created. We have a decent squad, surely this season must be his last chance.

About five years after the premier league began money started to dictate who won - the further you go into the premier league period the more this is the case, the more the haves lord it over the have nots, bigger money, bigger gap in teams resources.

The stats speak for themselves - a few league cup winners in a tournament where the elite play their second string, and one FA cup winner from outside the money clubs proves beyond reasonable doubt that money is the biggest single factor.

Moyes has been the only manager to have mounted even a modest challenge to the money treams. Other managers fail consistently, or have an odd season in the top six/seven, but moyes is constantly knocking at the door, the only club without a pot to piss in trying to break the glass ceiling.

There are no examples anywhere of clubs without big money mounting a decent challenge in the premier league, they dont exist. This is surely the context under which Moyes has to be judged -and he gives us a consistently good return.

Winning cant be the only success criteria now, because if it were then every single manager without big bucks would be a failure.

Picking odd poor performances, highlighting his weaknesses (which he does have) is fair enough but it makes absolutely no sense to ignore what he has done for us over the longer period. Every team has shit results, we have considerably less than most.

Moyes should make sure he gets enough wonga from Kenwright before he signs. He knows what he's doing, and good luck to him.

I do think that Moyes has not shown the League Cup enough respect. Mucha playing last season highlights it, but if you looked at teams he has played over the last 10 years we have weakened the side in a fair amount of them.

Joe Royle – I can't explain. All I remember was the triangle joke at the start of the season coming from some united supporting mates (What's the difference between Everton and a triangle?) and glorifying in taking odds from them that Everton would win the FA Cup.

Contrary to what many on here think, we have gone into every real big match as massive underdogs with the bookies. They at least understand that when we play teams with world class amongst their ranks, they are not "there for the taking".

We already know he's taking a 20% pay cut...

Of course this depends on him being the paragon of virtue that his fans believe he is...

Let's see..

He deserves decent wonga for longevity and the fact that he has to deal with Kenwrong day in day out.

Do people on here consider Wenger a failure? He has won eff all for 7 years now. He inherited a great team and won a few things but then when it was "his" team the winning stopped.

The chance of players following the 20% decrease is about as likely that Murray wouldn't choke in a Grand Slam Final.

Because he suggested everybody else should.

Simple really.

I for one hope he does sign a new contract and dare I say take the morale high ground and practice what he preachers and take a pay cut.

But he`s a man of integrity. I feel sure he`ll take the thoughts of a few dozen malcontents into consideration before he makes his decision.

Most Moyes supporters on here (if not all) will readily admit that he has many faults, but believe that on balance he is a very good manager. I have criticised him many, many times and have screamed at him from seats up and down the country, but I still think he does a good job.

I don't know why he ever mentioned the pay cut thing but I certainly wouldn't expect him to voluntarily take one. I know I wouldn't if it was me.

We're not interested in whether he takes anybody else's words on board... we're interested in whether he takes his own counsel.

Yes, plenty... and quite regularly.

The rest of your post indicates you're a little lost on appreciating what I mean.

It's a myth about the honourable Moyes he's clearly no different to the rest, his antics over his last contract were scandalous and before the loyalty card is played can anyone say he's been offered and turned down a better job. Just contrast Pardew saying "no" when asked about the spurs job to the Moyes prevarication - he left every door open and would have packed his bags without a backward glance.

Moyes doesn't say much and this quiet, straight as a die myth fills the media void, fact is he's quiet because he's not the sharpest tool in the box, how misjudged was the wage cut idea months before his own contract negotiations? Never seen a fella more adept at shooting himself in the foot if it wasn't for his track record I'd say he was off his skull part of last season with his derby antics and snookering himself with this ill timed wage cut baloney - OR - did he think he'd be offski?

The point on Pardew is laughable, he has had one decent season since 1999 and given his previous track record it was a big surprise he got anything better than a League 1 job. If you think Moyes is lucky, have a look at Pardew's record and landing the Newcastle job.

Pardew clearly needs to rebuild a tarnished reputation after notable disasters at West Ham, Charlton and Southampton, and so no wonder he came out and said 'No' to Spurs. He has done well to get the Scout - Carr to find the talent so far for him.

"he's not the sharpest tool in the box" - Smart enough to be the 3rd highest paid manager in the Premiership.

He is on ridiculous money and could afford to take a pay cut, but he won't and he shouldn't have to. No one I have ever know has taken a pay cut for their job.

I wish they would actually turn up at the match rather than unashamedly moaning about the numbers being down, whilst they stick to simply deriding the gaffer/ the players/ the chairman/ the entire club exclusively online on a weekly basis instead.

As far as his peers go, then I invite you to countenance...

Alex 'The turncoat' McCleish,
Neil 'The polariser' Lennon,
The fact-obsessed, "small-club," disparaging' Benitez,
Mark 'The mercenary "bread-head," Hughes,
Jose 'the provocative, egocentric Mourinho,
Arsene, 'the Andy Johnson ruining, selective-amnesiac' Wenger, Kenny the (Subtitles Please!) conspiracy-theory whining Daglish,
Sam 'the absolute whopper' Allardyce,
Phil the perma-tanned nugget, Brown, or
Ian 'the contrived, media-pleasing, self-parodying "eccentric," Holloway.

You can add to that list the club-skipping, flavour-of-the-month darlings Rogers & Lambert, and
Roy 'don't fuck with me or I'll walk away,' Keane.
Prancing leprechaun O'Neil,
Roberto (just -been-hammered-0-3-at-home, again..) "I'm so proud of the players," Martinez,
Alex "you promised me 11 minutes of stoppage time," Ferguson,
the "genius," Italian at Man.City - who I would love to see coping with the challenge of managing, say, Leyton Orient. on buttons..

Or... would they prefer Harry "brown-envelope," Redknapp instead...?

The Pardew point is only laughable if you want to excuse Moyes, besmirching Pardew to justify Moyes shiftiness in his answer to the question doesn't work ...... well, unless you won't have a serious word against.

TJW I just roll my eyes when you ask daft questions about parts of a post, Moyes strops and sulks during his contract talks are the stuff of legend - akin to downing tools - dereliction of duty many called it, if you choose to forget or ignore, well, that's just what I'd expect.

Right about the Moyes astuteness when it comes to HIS wages though. He's danced rings round this idiot of a chairman getting enough of this clubs money to be the 3rd highest wedge merchant in the Prem.

On another post someone guesstimates £1.4 million to buy the houses on Bullens road, possibly Moyes might forego his payrise to facilitate such a progressive act (Tommy Cooper eat your heart out).

If you don't know of anyone who's taken a pay cut during this economic crisis you must live in a cave.

Sven 'Swiss bank,serial-shagging' Eriksson,
Iain 'Cabbage Patch Kid,' Dowie,
Mick (Even Roy Keane thinks you're shit) McCarthy,
Michael "Admittedly, I had to Google Swansea City FC," Laudrup,
Steve "See you in court, Sam, you fucking crook," Kean,
Juve boss Antonio 'currently under investigation,' Conte,
Martin 'The Addams Family,' Jol,
Graeme 'The Sun,' Souness,
Shteve 'Coffee-shop,' Mclaren, or
Glenn 'Karma,' Hoddle...

Thank God we have Moyes!!

You raised the point about pardew, and I answered it that it's not surprising he ruled it out. Spurs would never had looked at him and he is lucky to have his current gig. Put it this way I wouldn't swap pardew for Moyes, and I suspect you wouldn't either.

We would all have liked him to say everton is the best job in the world at that no other club comes close. But hello it isnt. He did say that he hoped he'd get what he wanted from everton, but has kept his options open.

Spurs really have taken a gamble in avb. Despite spurs falling away, and whatever the real story of Harry leaving (whatever that means), levy has taken a top 3-4 side which could fall away significantly. Typical spurs.

Saying "He has his values and is respected for it." ain't how I see it, his values start and finish with himself.

I'll retract that if he takes a paycut to help the club.

However, I respect him for saying what he said, rather than the fake badge kissers who say that they will stay, and then leave the following week. His word is his bond, which is rare in his profession. Put it this way: if Redknapp was asked would he stay at Spurs if he had the chance of the Chelsea job, and he said Yes – would you trust him?