Caen striker flies in for trial
Moyes to run the rule over promising teen
Highly-regarded French teenager, M'Baye Niang arrived on Merseyside today to begin a three-day trial ahead of what could be a £6m move from Caen.
Arsenal have already had a £5m offer for the 17 year-old turned down but the Echo suggests the Blues may have more joy with different payment terms, with a larger amount paid up front.
David Moyes will face competition from Tottenham and AC Milan, though, for a player who has already represented France U21s.
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Posted
14/08/2012 at
01:26:21
Can't gleen much from the little clips on You Tube, other than he can score with both pegs. Right sided / striker ... bye bye Vic?
Posted
14/08/2012 at
01:40:24
The lads an extremely talented 18 year old, but he needs to play week in week out and that's not going to happen here, and I can't see Moyes being happy to sign him for £6m to then loan him out till he's ready.
David, Fulham want a reported £10m for Dempsey.
Posted
14/08/2012 at
02:14:48
3 words. Sell On Value
Posted
14/08/2012 at
03:05:19
Phil (#640), genuine question - why does he need to be playing week-in, week-out if he is only 18?
Would like to see someone with talent, pace and the ability to chip in with a few goals on the right-hand side even if it is only for 30 minutes every game. If the lad is good enough to force himself into the reckoning for a starting place so much the better.
May light a fire under Vellios and Vic to boot.
Don't know anything about this lad, but if Arsenal are / were interested it is usually a good sign. Likely to get more opportunities with us than them if he is good enough, and if a trial has been set-up he must consider us as an option., and we must have some idea that we could use him.
Posted
14/08/2012 at
04:03:54
Sick of saying/posting it but we really need a right back who can play football, not just another workhorse with no pace. Alan Hutton fits the bill and I'm sure Moyes wanted him a few years back. At 27 and with years of PL experience, this flying wing back could mirror image Bainsey and provide another creative avenue
for our new strikers
Posted
14/08/2012 at
04:20:42
Mick sorry mate but this flying wingback is absolute garbage and is soon to be a Villa reject. I get what you mean in theory but in reality the bloke can hardly play. He played one great game for Rangers in the Champions league 4 years ago vs United and he's been paid on the strength of that ever since. I was only recently made aware of his level of shitness by a villa mate of mine. After closer inspection I realized my mate was right
Posted
14/08/2012 at
04:20:44
Have to agree that Dempsey will not give enough value over time. I think Ning is the type of more flexible player that a small squad needs. Yes he is young but at least we have his best years ahead of him.
I believe that Hutton at about two million is a great investment and would help to balance the side so that our play does not need to always go through bainaar to be effective. The other right sided option is making Coleman the right back and give him time to settle.
Posted
14/08/2012 at
04:36:45
This kid looks brilliant, obviously if we do manage to sign him, it will be a big risk. But if he's good enough he could be playing every week. This is the sort of optimism we need... but, as someone mentioned previously, the most important places we need to fill are RB and RW/RM. If we don't manage to get anyone permanently before the window closes, then I think we need to go for Donovan. Dempsey will surely be too expensive.
Posted
14/08/2012 at
04:53:12
Never mind Hutton watch Hibbo go if he gets someone decent in front of him.
Posted
14/08/2012 at
06:31:51
I bought him on Champ Man. He was brilliant. Pay whatever they ask, Moyesy
Posted
14/08/2012 at
06:50:40
Hutton brings a new dimension to 'terrible'.
Posted
14/08/2012 at
07:13:02
Guy, that's the funniest post I've seen in ages
Posted
14/08/2012 at
07:54:49
This is the type of buy I'm wanting to see with the cash, as I mentioned in another thread. This is even ballsier than I had imagined.
We don't want to sell a young asset that gave us cash on a old, even if good, player that gives us no resale or growth in value. So if it goes ahead and is true.. well that would be interesting.
Posted
14/08/2012 at
08:09:59
Hutton is utter shite. There's a reason why Villa, a team almost relegated, want shut of him.
Posted
14/08/2012 at
08:43:29
Reading up a little more about Niang, it would actually seem like quite a coup looking at who he is being linked with... its seems very doubtful we can pull it off though as Arsenal only need to lump in £1m more to match us. Spurs also on the job it seems, so thats us out.
Posted
14/08/2012 at
08:47:11
This Niang, although a massive gamble at £6m for a 17 year old, is at least at the right end of his career. I wouldnt look too much into who is/has been interested though. The teams mentioned can afford the odd financial hit on a prospect not making it. Everton cant.
Posted
14/08/2012 at
08:58:07
Hibbo over Hutton all day long.
Posted
14/08/2012 at
08:54:22
I would just like to confirm my hatred of that little weasel Alan Hutton!! Sorry Mick but if we ever signed him I think I'd hate him even more than Earl Barrett, another Villa reject we had a right back!
I know absolutely nothing about this Niang fella but I think I'd prefer someone like Dempsey as we need someone who can come in and play immediately, without a 'settling in' season or two.
Posted
14/08/2012 at
09:11:08
When I saw this last night I was very excited, this lad has got everything. Pace, strength and shooting with both pegs, but also good vision to pick a pass as well, and very good hold-up play. Although he is unproven in the premier league, and I'd prefer a right winger to be priority right now imo.
Posted
14/08/2012 at
09:21:41
sell on value is right.
a couple of years ago we were in the running to sign Victor Moses and let him slip to Wigan.
Now Chelski are offering many roubles for him.
Posted
14/08/2012 at
09:23:40
I see Scott Spencer notched two for HYDE last night.Says it all about signing super star kids,really!
Posted
14/08/2012 at
09:52:24
This would be a great signing in my opinion, and as others have said I would rather replace one highly rated youngster with another. This guy is already at under 21 international level so he wont be such a massive gamble. Another youngster I would love to see is the German under 21 attacking midfielder and Evertonian Lewis Holtby. We cant afford to buy the top senior players so buying the top younger players is the next best thing.
Posted
14/08/2012 at
10:10:09
Stop doing it to yourselves. We are going cold turkey this transfer window.
Posted
14/08/2012 at
10:27:32
Hibbo's better at set-pieces than Hutton!!
Posted
14/08/2012 at
10:30:43
Mick, see what you've started here?
I tend to agree with the majority here, Hutton is terrible! And a dirty horribe little shit! I'd rather stick with Tony Hibbert, especially now he's broke his duck! In fact, with him in this sort of scoring form, I wouldnt even bother signing Niang!
In all seriousness, though, Niang by all accounts is highly rated and hottly tipped to be great... So was Francis Jeffers!
We need players for the now, improve the squad, not improve the numbers!
Posted
14/08/2012 at
10:16:53
I can't remember us paying £6 million for 'Superstar' Scott Spencer.
Posted
14/08/2012 at
11:31:29
Interesting to see that a lot of the cheerleaders of the 'Everton haven't got time to nuture the potential of Jack Rodwell' – support spending £6 million on a 17-year-old from the French League...
Posted
14/08/2012 at
12:04:27
This Niang is way too young for us to be spending £6 mill on. Look at Gueye, another French starlet. Potential is irrelevant. We need someone who is a good player now!
Dempsey is a good player but he's expensive and has zero resale value. Plus surely our priority has to be a right winger. Any striker we buy will be second in the pecking to Jelavic.
Would love to see Holtby here.
Posted
14/08/2012 at
12:46:23
I completely agree Phil. Another 'secret weapon' is pointless, especially if we're only going to play them out of position.
Posted
14/08/2012 at
14:58:34
Strikes me that if we spend £6million on someone it's unlikely to be purely "for the future". So I can only assume that, if we bought him, he'd be seeing a lot of playing time. Probably the one selling point we have in comparison to the likes of Arsenal; the fact that he'd get more first team opportunities.
Seems different than punts on the likes of Vellios or Gueye. Those are risks that if they pay off, great, but if they don't then the financial cost of the initial investment isn't crippling. If we end up spending £6million on a teenage then it would have to be a) he can contribute immediate AND b) he has great potential sell on value. That strikes me as the kind of gamble that we probably should be taking, assuming we're in a position to gamble at all.
Posted
14/08/2012 at
15:03:46
I don't mean to sound like a broken record, but why has this story jumped from the Rumour section. Has there been some confirmation?
Posted
14/08/2012 at
15:57:52
He would have to be able to play straight away for that sort of money. My only worry is that Bily was described as a central midfielder and left winger when we bought him. This kid is a striker and right winger, well we all know that Bily was not a winger.
Posted
14/08/2012 at
16:30:59
Who or What is an M'baye Niang??? It sounds the noise Rolf Harris makes with his Didgeridoo
Posted
14/08/2012 at
16:40:32
Agree with those saying we are unlikely to spunk 6m on someone to go into the reserves. If we get him he will be in and around the first team.
Niang and Johnson and we could have some real attacking weapons to go with our solid defense. Fingers crossed.
Posted
14/08/2012 at
17:09:33
My six-penceworth:
Niang is extremely highly rated. The expectation on his shoulders is stratospheric in comparison to Gueye. This kid is Rooneyesqe material. I can be shocked if we got him, bu I can only assume that it would be on the proviso that he plays straight away and then we sell him for 30mill in one or two years. I'm more shocked that we're being linked with him than I was about Rodwell being sold.
I'm just hoping that this isn't another Riquelme!
Posted
14/08/2012 at
17:19:47
@Chris (805) - or, as they say in Senegal, "Who or what is a Chris Morris? It sounds like the noise that [Senegalese equivalent of Rolf Harris] makes with his [odd sounding African instrument]." ;)
Posted
14/08/2012 at
16:47:56
Conor #642 hit the nail on the head, it's all about re-sale value, you won't get that with Donovan (as much as I like him and think he's a great professional) and with Dempsey. Now before some one butts in and points out the Pienaar buy (a lot of you like to do that), that is a one off.
This M'baye Niang is a bit like Shrek, a one-off, once-in-a-lifetime talent, from what I've heard. Stade Malherbe Caen are worse off then us financially, so I would prefer to see us take a chance rather then stay amongst the mediocre group of teams that sit below the top four, which is where we'll remain if we keep signing players around the current level.
I like Moyes as our manager and he's taken us in the right direction over the last ten years... but one criticism I would have of him is that he takes too long vetting and assessing players before signing them. Fair enough, we don't have a lot of money, so we need to make sure we spend it wisely, but the difference between a good manager and great manager is someone who is willing to take those chances; this kid is one.
Posted
14/08/2012 at
17:51:24
Robin (814) I think you're telling big fibs.... How can you possibly know that there is a Senegalese equivalent of Rolf Harris?
Someone once said my name whilst sneezing though, hence the nickname......... SNOT
Posted
14/08/2012 at
17:51:53
I think that signing an up and coming prospect for a decent fee is a good way of spending the cash. A million each on Vellios and Gueye was a different situation. They looked like, with a bit of coaching they could make the grade, still could be decent prem players in my book, if it didn't work, well it was only a million and small wages. I reckon if we were to spend 6 mil then Moyes would be pretty sure he's ready and he'd be in and around the first team.
The article also said that Moyes would have the full 12 mil to spend. In that case i's spend the other 6 on a right mid. Holtby and the Greek I can't spell seam to be the big speculations. If we pull it off we could be in for a season.
I agree with Mick that we need a right back, but we need other positions much more. Currently Pienaar is our only really creative player. When we do sign one I expect someone better than Hutton.
Posted
14/08/2012 at
18:16:00
Agree with Giles @810
This guy is out of our league and has a lot bigger fish after him. Smells like another Bk Phantom bid to me.
Posted
14/08/2012 at
18:25:12
I blame Kenwright and Moyes. In fact I also blame Andy Hinchcliffe
Posted
14/08/2012 at
19:49:42
Alan Hutton, please no - he's horrible. If we were going to sign a Thug i'd rather it be Joey Barton. ( and no I don't want Barton either)
Posted
14/08/2012 at
20:01:38
Hutton is absolute garbage we are better off with hibbert than him!
Posted
14/08/2012 at
22:08:58
Without doubt Hutton became a back number shortly after going to Spurs.
Forget him. I would sooner stick with Hibbert,Coleman or even Pip if necessary.
A scoring midfielder is a priority in my book but who do we have as experienced cover for Bainesy if he gets injured?
I see Nicky Shorey is available on a free and how about Scharner as cover at the back or midfield who is also free?
I cannot believe Moyes is seriously interested in this guy Niang when he has Vellios and Anichebe still on the books and apparently underachieving otherwise why the interest in Niang?
Vellios in particular was one for the future-which future begs the question.
If Fellaini fails to be fit for the Man Utd game, I don't like our chances.
Posted
14/08/2012 at
22:40:23
Never heard of this guy. No problem spending £6m on a guy with huge potential but seems odd selling a guy who should be starting every game in our midfield now, on c £30k p/w tied in for 4 years and selling for £12m. Why do this and invest £6m in potential?
Posted
14/08/2012 at
23:01:05
Perhaps because we need an attacking / wide-right option more than another central midfielder / defender at this moment in time, Peter?
Posted
14/08/2012 at
23:08:06
Perhaps Si - point I was reinforcing is what others have said, if he is to play in first team can understand it, if simply potential I don't
Posted
15/08/2012 at
16:19:49
I give up. How did this jump from the rumour page, up to the section above the rumours and now over to the main headline part without a word from the club?
Posted
15/08/2012 at
16:24:27
Nice hair.
Posted
15/08/2012 at
16:23:10
3 in 3 out including heitinga watch this space..
Posted
15/08/2012 at
16:25:49
Shane it's now being reported by sky sports news as well, The club are hardly going to come out and say "this is who we're after." especially after what has happened recently with the likes of Tottenham coming in later and signing the players we want.
Posted
15/08/2012 at
16:34:49
Phil, I'm just wondering how a rumour becomes a real story. It's more curiosity on my part as to why TW promote it from where it was on their site to where it is.
Posted
15/08/2012 at
16:40:55
If he is worth 6m why would he need a bloody trial, do our scouts actually work?.....?.?.
Posted
15/08/2012 at
16:51:29
For anyone who hasn't been involved in the 'doing it to death', here is my take on what's been said so far:
1) Too Young
2) Too risky given the fee
3) Looks good on YouTube
4) Magaye Gueye No. 2
5) Get Landon Donovan
6) We only play one striker anyway
7) Sell Big Vic
8) Niang is awesome
Sorry if I have missed anything out.
Posted
15/08/2012 at
17:04:50
Re the Magaye Gueye connection, why do so many people on this site automatically assume that 2 players being from the same part of the world makes them of the same character or ability. We always get Nyarko comparisons when linked with an African player and Van Der Meyde when linked with a Dutchman. My guess is that with difference in value and the other clubs sniffing around him, this lad is a bit of a step up.
Posted
15/08/2012 at
17:04:08
£6Mil for a 17 year old that is hardly going to feature in our first team with Jela up top in our lone striker formation, especially since we have Naismith who can play there and potentially this 20 goal a year Belgian amongst others.
Niang might look good but it's a bit of risk that I don't think we can financially afford. £6Mill should be spent on bringing in a couple of faces to fill out the squad, starting with Adam Johnson's wages and another loan, preferably a Baines back up or a new right back.
Posted
15/08/2012 at
17:20:52
Fingers still crossed for number 7 Dan!
Posted
15/08/2012 at
17:32:53
Can we afford to spend this type of cash on a player who we won't see anywhere near the first team for a few years?
Posted
15/08/2012 at
18:40:25
It will be good to see Garbutt in a few games this year, maybe in the cup. He's learning from the best. So long as he can keep a sensible head and not get impatient playing number 2 to Baines, who will surely be at the top of his game for a few more seasons to come, he could be very valuable to us. And it's great seeing these lads coming through the ranks. Best academy in the league!
Posted
15/08/2012 at
18:53:56
good stuff
Posted
15/08/2012 at
19:58:48
Dan Mckie
We only play one striker anyway
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We'd still need backup. I'm happy to see it is strikers we're being linked with. That is what should be sorted out first. Get one in first. And if there's enough for a winger, then go for that. Otherwise, sell one of Velios or Anichebe for a winger.
I can't say I'm particularly happy to lose Rodwell and Cahill. But if the Everton linked players are for real, we'll become much better balanced.
Jon Ferguson 151: And a colleague of mine - a Brentford fan - is impressed with Bidwell. We have backup for Baines. Next year, I'd look at bringing in a right back. But right now? A striker, followed by right mid.
Posted
15/08/2012 at
20:24:04
Just watching Ingerland... I know, but it's footy
Tyldesley has just called us a prominent club and Jags has just scored!
Fook me, someone shoot that fucking piss poor pain-in-the-arse fucking band....
Posted
15/08/2012 at
20:28:40
We at least have a striker who I have faith in. As for right wing...we don't have anybody! Get Miralles out there. He looks like he could use a solid right back playing behind him too - we have those in abundance
Posted
15/08/2012 at
20:38:21
We need another dodgy hairdo, our boys are far too conservative
Posted
15/08/2012 at
21:13:16
I know, Roberto. My post was tongue in cheek and was just listing a few things that have been said by posters on this topic already. My view would be that it may be too big a risk, and if Moyes does look at him, he needs to be thinking that he could throw him into the team regular this season before making a bid. The likes of Gueye and Velios won't make it in my opinion, but we gambled with small fees with those two. £6 million though is not a small fee.
Posted
15/08/2012 at
22:34:38
Well I just don't see why we'd pursue this kind of risk... But if he does sign here's hoping somebody might set a reminder for when his contract it's nearing its end.
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Posted
15/08/2012 at
23:13:50
Shane, as I should have done originally, I've merged the two threads now, as I did with the Mirallas story.
Regarding your question about how a post gets promoted, it doesn't need any word from EFC if we deem the source to be legitimate enough. If it hits the BBC, then you know there's something to it; depending on how the Echo cover it, that's also a reason to lift it out of the Rumour Mill; and often we'll go with Sky Sports transfer stories as news if we feel right about it.
Obviously, the intent is to be as responsible as we can about delivering news that is not yet official and not link-baiting to draw people in under false presences.
Posted
16/08/2012 at
00:29:16
I think we should take the young lad. I'd also like to see Matt Philips brought into the club and a good centre mid to cover.
Posted
16/08/2012 at
00:28:28
Why look at a 17-year-old for that kind of cash when we could surely tempt the likes of Chung Yong Lee from Bolton for the same money being talked about? Great little player and he's only 24 so still has sell-on value if we sign on a 4-year deal, plus he already has 2 years PL experience. This gets him out of the Championship and playing for a team that's regularly pushing for Europe, with plenty of better players around him. He's coming back from a bad injury but the two years he put in at Bolton he scored and assisted regularly. Also a boost to the Korean market for overseas jersey sales.
I'd also like to see Coleman put at RB and given a years experience in that position, he'll make mistakes but he needs to learn and if he even gets half as good as Baines we'd be laughing! Everything we create comes from that left side and has done the last 3 years; teams know they need to just mark Baines out of the game and we're out of ideas!!
Need to get RW over another striker. This Belgian lad coming in, Jelavic and Naismith being able to do a job up there if we need it.
Posted
16/08/2012 at
01:34:51
Dan (128), you missed out...
9) the Senegalese Rolf Harris
Posted
16/08/2012 at
00:29:16
I think we should take the young lad. I'd also like to see Matt Philips brought into the club and a good centre-mid to cover.
Posted
16/08/2012 at
17:42:09
Aparrently he has been very impressive in trainin the past 2 days. Get him on board I say. Raw talent!
Posted
16/08/2012 at
23:22:05
I'm sure Moyes will send him back as he can't play accross the back 4.
Posted
17/08/2012 at
02:18:26
Dan McKie - great service. Can you go on other threads and summarise please?
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