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Everton vs Newcastle United
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The footballing gods can be cruel masters. They certainly seem intent on slapping down any rampant optimism among Evertonians lest we get ahead of ourselves.
An unexpectedly successful transfer window and back-to-back wins to start the 2012-13 season had success-starved Blues feeling like this could finally be the season where we break back into the top four — an echelon that has proven untouchable beyond the proverbial glass ceiling since David Moyes steered his unfancied team to the Champions League qualifers in 2005.
An inelegant stumble at The Hawthorns, the loss to injury of Darron Gibson, the refusal by FIFA to sanction the loan of Vadis Odjidja-Ofoe, and the premature horizon-gazing from Marouane Fellaini later, though, and a stiff dose of reality has been delivered forth to keep expectations in check at Goodison Park.
It provides yet more challenges for a manager still operating with one of the shallowest squads in the Premier League... but then Moyes has spent almost all of his 10½ years at Everton battling against adversity and overcoming the odds. These are just the latest in a line of setbacks and it's unlikely he will be fazed as he sets about dealing with them.
In his favour, of course, is the fact that despite the frustration of the Ofoe situation and having to do without Gibson until the middle of October, Moyes still has the best squad he's had to date at his disposal. And in another televised Monday-night occasion under the lights at Goodison, he and his side have the opportunity to ratchet the optimism right back up again if they can beat Newcastle United.
Not only would a victory represent a nine-point haul from the first 12 available, it would catapult Everton into joint-second place in the table, back amongst the early pace-setters.
Thankfully, Gibson is Moyes's only injury concern ahead of the Blues' first game since 1st September — all of Everton's internationals returned unscatched from their duties abroad. And only Bryan Oviedo's ineligibility will keep him out of contention as the Costa Rican has only just finalised his visa.
That leaves central midfield as the manager's biggest conundrum. Does he opt for the less-than-dynamic Phil Neville in central midfield alongside Leon Osman — a partnership that looked suspect at West Brom. Or, as would seem more prudent given the fact that he made his name in England playing in the middle, does he pull Fellaini back in the centre and play either Kevin Mirallas, Steven Naismith or Victor Anichebe behind Nikica Jelavic?
Fellaini proved to an unmanageable handful in a more forward role against Manchester United on the opening day and was instrumental in the dismantling of Aston Villa the following week, but Moyes will have to weigh up his attacking threat against a weaker midfield.
Mirallas tore Leyton Orient to shreds on his home debut when he was half fit three weeks ago and he will be itching to show what he can do with the extra training and time to gel with his new teammates. And Anicheb, too, has plenty prove so it'll be interesting to see which way Moyes goes with his team selection.
After proving to be the surprise package of last season, Newcastle have made an iffy start to the new campaign and Alan Pardew will be without goalkeeper Tim Krul, his captain Fabricio Coloccini, Cheick Tiote, Danny Simpson, and Ryan Taylor.
With a really good record over the Magpies in recent seasons — indeed, they beat them handsomely in May on the last day of season season — and memories of that stirring win over United hopefully still fresh in the memory, the Blues will know that they have everything it takes to get three points and get their season back on the rails immediately after the defeat against WBA.
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2 Posted 17/09/2012 at 07:01:01
3 Posted 17/09/2012 at 07:37:50
4 Posted 17/09/2012 at 07:23:30
5 Posted 17/09/2012 at 07:26:09
Hibbert Jags Distin Baines
Osman Fellaini
Mirallas Naismith Pienaar
Jelavic
For this particular game, seems like the most balanced lineup. I like Coleman at right back for the future just so we have more attacking options. We need a boss in midfield while Gibson is out and Fellaini is the only real candidate. If Neville ends up there, I'm gonna be annoyed. Plus Tiote is out I think so it should be up for grabs. Take it please. Naismith and Jelavic know how to partner up so that should be golden with Coloccini out. Pienaar and Baines overlap should be more effective with Simpson out. Mirallas out right where he fits perfectly on this team. Finally somebody that can run at people and cause problems. Without being overconfident, I like our chances given their injury concerns.
6 Posted 17/09/2012 at 07:43:21
Such a shame about ofoe as middle of the park is such a crucial position and the one area we have zero depth in. Not that he was setting the world alight but rodwell really should have been replaced.
Wherever they play, pienaar, fellaini and jelavic will have to improve on their west brom showings if we are to take 3 points.
7 Posted 17/09/2012 at 07:55:56
So I have a few quid on the same score!
Peter 157 I agree with your side but doubt Moyes will go for that.....
8 Posted 17/09/2012 at 08:08:27
As most would agree, Fellaini dropping back and Mirallas coming in might be the answer against a not so resilient Barcode defence.
It's times like this (after a defeat) that players stand up and be counted in the next game. Hopefully for once Everton bounce back and show they finally a team to be reckoned with.
9 Posted 17/09/2012 at 08:12:54
If we see Neville in midfield, my early season optimism will die a slow and painful death.
10 Posted 17/09/2012 at 08:22:21
Fellaini absolutely must drop into a deeper role. However I fully expect Moyes to keep Fellaini up top and bring in Heitinga. Neville probably to right-back.
I'm fond of Peter's team above...but I can't see us playing such an attacking side. Moyes knows Newcastle are a threat. He will try stifle them and hope to nick one.
I hope I'm wrong about everything and we wallop them 4-0.
11 Posted 17/09/2012 at 09:18:53
12 Posted 17/09/2012 at 09:17:00
And on my birthday in 1968 we battered Leicester 7-1... but I remember us getting battered at home1-3 by Sunderland on my birthday some years later.... I don't want to piss on your chips but take nothing for granted! This IS Everton, after all.
Happy Birthday, anyway, let's hope you're scoreline is correct!
13 Posted 17/09/2012 at 09:22:14
14 Posted 17/09/2012 at 09:19:12
Pip will definitely play, let's just hope it's in the right back berth and not centre mid. Also, loeits have Naismith in behind Jelly please.
Fuck KITAP1.... COYB!
15 Posted 17/09/2012 at 09:25:05
16 Posted 17/09/2012 at 09:35:14
17 Posted 17/09/2012 at 09:19:14
I think tonights line up will tell us a lot about Moyes's philosophy this season, will he play to our strengths and play a attack minded team or has the West Brom game knocked his confidence and he plays a team to counter Newcastle's attacking ability?
I really he hopes he goes all out for the win and he has no excuse not to. We're the home side, Newcastle have a few injuries and their form has been patchy.
Fellaini has to be brought back into the midfield, its not like we don't have plenty of options to play in the hole while we're short further back in Gibson's absence. If I see Neville in midfield I will cry my eyes out and Ben Arfa will tear him apart.
I think its time Moyes dropped his trusty 4-5-1 formation, it does not suit the players we have no more. 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 will bring the best out of the players we have, especially for home games.
Howard
Hibbert Jagielka Heitinga Baines
Osman Fellaini Pienaar
Naismith Jelavic Mirallas
Or
Howard
Hibbert Jagielka Heitinga Baines
Osman Fellaini
Mirallas Naismith Pienaar
Jelavic
18 Posted 17/09/2012 at 09:45:50
19 Posted 17/09/2012 at 09:50:25
One Swallow does not a summer make, but confidence is key and winning tonight can only improve that!
20 Posted 17/09/2012 at 10:10:34
21 Posted 17/09/2012 at 10:13:37
This Newcaslte team will probably start with 2 strikers, and that will leave gaps in midfield - so there is no requirement to play a 5 man midfield tonight.
Even if Moyes plays Fellaini as a defensive mid, we should have plenty of cover in that area.
If we start with 4-5-1 and Neville in midfield, it will be a defensive line up and Moyes will have gone back into his shell after that West Brom defeat.
4-3-3 with Pienaar & Mirallas on the wings, they both work hard so can track back. 2-0 will do with us third & the R.S. third from bottom !!!!
22 Posted 17/09/2012 at 10:26:45
23 Posted 17/09/2012 at 10:50:13
24 Posted 17/09/2012 at 11:00:40
25 Posted 17/09/2012 at 10:42:51
Alan Pardew annoys me with his arrogance and behaviour so we need to put him in his place with a win. The game starts at 5am here in Australia, really hoping for a win to kick start my morning. COYB
26 Posted 17/09/2012 at 11:19:44
We have a great home record thanks to Moyes's selections indeed the home game against Newcastle last season when we so emphatically beat them featured Neville in midfield, as did the Man Utd away game, as did the Man Utd game this season. I wouldn't mind seeing him there alongside Fellaini or Osman with either of those igven a license to get forward.
I do't feel comfortable with Fellaini in the holding role and he only started to look good last season once Gibson released him from his defensive duties. Everything looks in our favour for a win tonight and what a start it would be if we could get it.
27 Posted 17/09/2012 at 11:31:06
We have match winners in Felli, Jelly and Peanuts and if one of them comes good we will do well tonight.
Goodison under lights usually fires up the crowd so hoping that the players react to what should be an intimidating atmosphere for the bar codes.
28 Posted 17/09/2012 at 11:50:19
29 Posted 17/09/2012 at 11:59:49
Nil Satis Nisi Optimum!
30 Posted 17/09/2012 at 10:19:04
We have lost games before and "the arse" didn't "fall out of us" then.
It will be a tough game and hopefully we can keep Ben Arfa and Cisse quiet, do that and I feel we have a chance for the three points, but I won't going all Private Frazer if we don't......"We're doomed"....
31 Posted 17/09/2012 at 12:14:51
32 Posted 17/09/2012 at 12:20:17
33 Posted 17/09/2012 at 12:16:56
I hope we go for it though... if we play the Moyes 'dropping back' defensive game, they have the players to take us to the cleaners.
34 Posted 17/09/2012 at 12:35:56
As far as I can see, we've been playing 4-2-3-1 all season with Gibson and Osman/Neville behind a 3 of Pienaar Fellaini and Naismith. Surely the only difference between this and a 4-5-1 is how advanced the two wide players are. Considering they're not out-and-out wingers and are regularly darting in and around the penalty area, surely they are more on a level with Fellaini rather than with Gibson and Osman.
Formations are so fluid anyway that lots of these players are constantly changing their positions on the field, indeed Baines is often more advanced than Pienaar is. How can you say then that if Moyes goes with his 4-5-1 we'll lose?
Contrary to popular belief, Moyes has not played the same formation for the last ten years. In his early days he used to play a 4-1-4-1 with Carsley in between two banks of four. It wasn't until 2007-ish that Carsley and Neville played as a holding two with Cahill behind the striker in a definite 4-4-1-1. Now we definitely seem to line up in a 4-2-3-1.
Ultimately it all depends on how the players interpret the system but I don't think there is definitely a 'Moyes formation' that is inherently negative and has been the norm for the last ten years, absolutely not.
35 Posted 17/09/2012 at 12:46:41
If he goes all conservative then expect a game. They had their decent run last season and in no way will they repeat that this season.
Ps. Pardew is a deluded gobby wanker. Didn't he say last season they where on a different planet to us, or something like that and we went out and battered them 3-1.
Tenner on 3-0 for me.
36 Posted 17/09/2012 at 12:46:49
On the other hand, if we get the 3 points, we will hopefully have the belief to win our next game vs Swansea.
"Don't Panic!"
37 Posted 17/09/2012 at 12:58:17
Are you joking ? Are you saying playing Neville in front of Hibbert is not a 5 man midfield ?
If you play Naismith / Mirallas / Pienaar in midfield - that is an attacking 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1, depending upon instructions.
Neville is a good leader - but as an attacking midfielder he is toatlly out of his depth.
38 Posted 17/09/2012 at 13:05:42
I just pray that we`ve seen the back of KITAHTN1 but I somehow doubt it!
39 Posted 17/09/2012 at 13:10:41
I didn't say would would get beat if we played 4-5-1. In a 4-5-1 formation which I believe we play the wide men do as much defending as attacking. I want us to do any with that at home and deploy the wide men further up the field, they still work hard by pressing high up the pitch rather than constantly dropping deep when the other team has the ball.
40 Posted 17/09/2012 at 13:14:39
When has Neville ever played ahead of Hibbo?
I agree with James Martin.
Formations are largely meaningless. It's the interpretations that count.
41 Posted 17/09/2012 at 13:12:31
So many posters(not just Toffeeweb) are panicking and fearing a banana skin.
We have to believe that the team is so much better than Newcastle who have some serious injuries of their own, that we are not a one man team based on Darren Gibson and that West Brom (where the whole team was flat) was a one off.
Monday night floodlights,Goodison buzzing it could be 4-0.
42 Posted 17/09/2012 at 13:20:43
43 Posted 17/09/2012 at 13:23:16
Behave fellas, for 90% of the time Moyes has played 1 striker with Cahill supporting, but Cahill had to defend for large portions of the game.
4-5-1 in anyone's book. Now we have the ammunition, let's use it !!!
44 Posted 17/09/2012 at 13:50:32
I'd be amazed if he doesn't start – if he isn't could we really be starting 4-4-2 with Pienaar / Fellaini / Osman / Naismith / Mirallas / Jelavic as the front 6...?
Swoon......
45 Posted 17/09/2012 at 14:05:10
46 Posted 17/09/2012 at 14:20:23
Matron! : )
47 Posted 17/09/2012 at 14:31:29
Maybe worth a punt on a red.
As well, Jelavic to score and win is 11/4.
Can't wait for the match. COYB!
48 Posted 17/09/2012 at 14:39:09
If we win people will call it 4-3-3 or 4-4-2, if we draw or lose it will be 4-5-1.
49 Posted 17/09/2012 at 14:33:42
Neville, Osman, Mirallas, Pienaar and Naismith could all quite easily play in the same midfield. Neville has never played wide, he has only played as the holding mid (every team needs one), so I don't see the point you're trying to make. Moyes has never picked Neville over a player like Mirallas or Naismith, they operate in completely different areas of the pitch. If we played without any holding mids, we'd ship goals all over the place.
How much the wide players defend depends on how they perform in the game, monopolise possession like we have been doing, and they'll stay further up the pitch. Nothing wrong with getting back in formation once we lose the ball, the majority of teams apart from Barcelona do this, this is what gives us the third best defensive record in the league last year.
Pienaar is probably the best defensive winger in the league yet that doesn't discount from his attacking play, he's just disciplined enough to do his job both ways, it is a two-way sport. No point having team of Royston Drenthes leaving defensive holes all over the place, attacking as that would be.
This season we've seen Pienaar and Naismith out wide, Fellaini advanced and Osman and Gibson as the first choice midfield pairing; in no way is this a defensive team. Neville is only a cover player in midifeld for Gibson's injury or when faced with superior opposition (as seen by his good performance v Man Utd).
I really can't see people's problems with Moyes's formations this season. The teams of 7 or 8 defenders seem to be consigned to the past for now.
50 Posted 17/09/2012 at 14:42:01
And, provided we keep Ben Arfa quiet, I think we'll have a big win.
3-0 Fella, Jelavic (2)
51 Posted 17/09/2012 at 15:07:53
52 Posted 17/09/2012 at 14:51:50
If we're going big Jelavic is 25/1 for a hat-trick.......
53 Posted 17/09/2012 at 15:21:09
54 Posted 17/09/2012 at 15:10:35
So, DM, get it right, lets play OUR game and let Pardew worry about us.
I am going for 2-0, great team Peter Jones #157, but Mirallas wont start, thats how Moyes is......COYB!
55 Posted 17/09/2012 at 15:28:31
This season has seen different tactics, let's put our fingers in our ears and sing at the top of our voice so we can forget about the last nine seasons playing 4-5-1.
I must have been hallucinating when I have been shouting at Neville all these years - "DON'T PLAY THAT FLOATER DOWN THE RIGHT LINE AGAIN FFS !"
56 Posted 17/09/2012 at 15:34:04
57 Posted 17/09/2012 at 15:39:26
58 Posted 17/09/2012 at 15:40:39
59 Posted 17/09/2012 at 15:43:55
Mirallas - Osman - Naismith - Pienaar and Jelavic the focal point.
See, no need for any floaters !
60 Posted 17/09/2012 at 15:30:36
61 Posted 17/09/2012 at 15:53:07
62 Posted 17/09/2012 at 16:28:18
63 Posted 17/09/2012 at 17:39:10
Anyhow,lets hope the big mercenary Felli puts in a better shift than he did at west brom. If he does and Bainaar play well,we'll be in 3rd tonight!
64 Posted 17/09/2012 at 18:05:00
65 Posted 17/09/2012 at 18:51:09
66 Posted 17/09/2012 at 19:05:27
Predictable but let's hope it works....
67 Posted 17/09/2012 at 19:09:07
Is this you guessing or has the team been announced?
68 Posted 17/09/2012 at 19:05:24
69 Posted 17/09/2012 at 19:12:44
70 Posted 17/09/2012 at 19:15:50
71 Posted 17/09/2012 at 19:14:52
DM tends to get by with playing men out of position, eg, Distin for Baines when the old man is really not equipped for the extra pace and stamina that is needed. Distin is a fine centre-back and that is where he must play.
If the board is failing to provide real cover for Baines then a top 4 is a pipe dream. I do not expect much more than a top half finish with the present squad because it is too small!!
72 Posted 17/09/2012 at 19:24:29
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1 Posted 17/09/2012 at 06:52:17