Moyes rejects contract speculation

I can see this more cavalier version of Moyes getting a start somewhere this time round.

I think he wants it and although I don't like the cosiness between him and Kenwright I reckon they both know this is his last season.

They'll spin it with interviews like this for the foreseeable.

That said, I wouldn't begrudge Davey a shot at another club if he thought he'd done all he could here (10 years is a decent stint in any job these days, nevermind the fickle world of football).

Ultimately though I think there's definitely an element of this contract being something DM can hold over Kenwright and the board to help ensure he gets the backing he needs in the transfer market to help keep this squad together and have a genuine run at it (which it appears we are doing this year!).

If we're still flying high come January I wouldn't be surprised to see a few more signings followed by a happy handshake amid cries of '5 more years' once the window has closed.

Hope I'm wrong. We'll not find a better manager for the next ten years.

Advocating change of manager yes, offering names yes ........ but saying said names had been in charge these last 10 years we'd have won the league or anything like it - no.

Whatever peoples reasons, and they may well be what you say, they are aspirational not nailed on fact.

I really can't recall anyone claiming the Moyes years "WOULD" have had been trophy laden if Martinez etc were in charge.

The categoric "WOULD" as opposed to "possibly" in support of Moyes diminishes the argument as without the gift of clairvoyancy how do you know?

Any critics of Moyes saying we didn't have x,y or z manager during these Moyes years therefore the 3 league titles we "WOULD" have won would be equally pulled up.

Surely it's self evident?

We all know the answer to that.

Try enjoying the football and stop this endless tripe. Or come back when Everton are having a poor season when you've got a chance of your whingeing making some sort of sense.

But I think most people would agree with what I was trying to say, but like I also said, it really is just my humble opinion.

That said, I don't see him going anywhere. He's got it cushy at a club where there is no pressure to finish anywhere but the top 17 and a budget to work with that is bigger than most in the league. Not to mention the fact that he's one of the best paid managers too. Why would you move?

Only place he might go is Celtic, if something becomes available. I really can't see him being chosen for a job with the Sky 4.

I don't believe that for a second. Whatever faults DM may have pettiness isn't one of them.

We went through all this last time round and all I would ask is that Moyes signs up ASAP so it doesn't start to detract from Team performances as was the case four years ago. If he wants out he can always resign later !

Yours is one of the worst posts I've ever seen on here.

You clearly haven't understood the argument, "speculation" has nothing to do with "fact" as Kevin graciously accepts in the post following yours.

So keep your nose out till you understand what's going on.

From the lack of logic and general snide in your post I reckon you're a multi ID merchant I've chewed up before - whoever you are (and I think I know) you're a bit dull aren't ya?

Are there people that do that?

I've got my suspicions...

My personal belief is that we won't, even though we are playing well this season and I do like the look of the team. Certainly like some of the new blood he has brought in.

However, come the crunch matches, my assertion is that he will revert to type, defend at all costs and blow the chance. I'm still smarting from the league game capitulation v Liverpool last season, the semi-final debacle against said team and of course the FA Cup Final against Chelsea in 2009.

Similar poor performances in key games in Europe and the Mickey Mouse Cup come to mind!

These are all facts with end results, negative.

Who knows what other managers would have done?

However, I'm all for giving people fair chances to succeed. Moyes has had more than most and has come up short.

I'm enjoying this season so far, really impressed, but I don't expect we'll win anything based on Moyes's previous.

Don't see much of that under Moyes That's all.

Managers (under instruction?) play weakened sides in he league cup and fa cup. The priority it would seem is survival, league placings or champions league. Football it would seem outside of two or three teams, is about making up the numbers, and that doesn't sit well with me.

I got criticised by Michael for saying that Moyes hadn't tried in the league cup before. However, with one of our best sides in years, and probably a pretty good chance of ending the drought, we surrender in Yorkshire with with a side with too many changes. Did he try this season? One of opinions I guess.

I was expecting him to get pelters for this defeat but many point that it will help a top 4 finish. This appears to be what football is about, keeps the club and players happy with more money to spend, but what's in it for us fans over silverware?

I'm not really trying to be outrageous here. I agree, he's not done too bad. My point is, without being too pedantic, we've won nothing.

I reckon we could have won a couple trophies during his reign but his innate negative tendencies have come into play with the inevitable result.

My point is, he's had plenty of time to deliver something...notwithstanding our financial situation.

I don't agree that our financial situation alone is a good enough excuse and that we have had at least two great chances of silverware.

I don't expect we'll win the league under this current economic landscape, regardless of who our manager is.

That is another debate. What is clear is that buying glory is hollow as far as I'm concerned, and if something radical is not implemented to level the playing field then the game will diminish as a competitive spectacle.

I'd be ecstatic. I brainwashed my two sons to be Evertonians from birth and I get real joy exchanging banter, highs and lows with them every week.

They love it but have yet to experience what a lot of us have... Everton winning major trophies/the league! Let's hope someone can bring it back for us all!

Appreciate your comments.

COYBs

If it doesn't become a problem, and it shouldn't given half of the players can't say for sure where they'll be in 9 months, then let the bloke deal with his own contract and salary and stop making trouble!

How many Everton managers have won the Milk Cup or whatever derivation it holds now?

The problem that has stopped Moyes in my view is that he has held on to or bought wrong players at crucial times.
Diniar Bilyaletdinov is one of those who Moyes missed the target completely on.

Moyes has been a bit shaky when spending large sums on certain players.
However, it looks like Moyes has learned a little during his time here, so his recent transfers has been more safe in that he seems to scout players a lot more before he buys these days.

Will Moyes ever win anything while at Everton?
I have my doubts, but this season could see us either do well in the league or win the FA cup.

The main problem will be keeping hold of Fellaini, if he is sold during this season then Moyes will have shot himself in the foot.
It will take time for a replacement to settle in, so if we qualify to CL then we should wait until we are in the group stage before selling.

I can not understand why Moyes put Mucha in goal against Leeds in the League cup, to me that does not make sense, from picking Mucha I can say that Moyes had no wish to win that game.
That attitude is below what I expect of an Everton manager, he should want to win every game!

No wonder we never go far in the league cup!!!

If you are going to slate Moyes then get it right:

Who are the sky 4 that you refer to? - we have won at City & Spurs, we have had opportunities at United & Arsenal, leading at both places and conceeding late goals (at the Emirates when Osman stopped play when through on goal to allow treatment on an Arsenal player - we were winning 1-0 at the time, player got treated and then the Arsenal equalise at the death. Was this Moyes fault? Even Wenger said that he doubted an Arsenal player would of done the same thing). You can argue about the RS all you want but basically we nearly always have to play the devils spawn AND the ref, linesman & fourth official as a combined team - its proven extremely difficult in the past so prepare for more of the same in about 3 weeks. Yep, last year at anfield was shite but we have had chances to win over the past 10 years, we have been leading but the devils spawn know how to use the men in black OR just plain kick the shite out of us.

Jimmy #329.

I know you dislike Moyes so the last month must of been giving you ulcers. Why can't you just watch the game - even MOTD have moved us up a few slots, Everton definately seem to be worth watching. Bring up Mucha? Bring up the "an Everton manager must want to win every game" sceanario as much as you like - guess SAF, AVB & Rodgers would piss you off totally - with them not winning every game.

I've had to watch shite in the 90's and things have gradually improved, so what I'm watching now, both and GP and away, is GOOOOOOOD!!!!! So what more do you want?? If you can't see that we are on to something then you are blind.