Wigan Athletic vs Everton

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Fully expect wigan will see this as a game against top opposition and adjust accordingly. Press us, Harry us, and get men behind the ball.

Ultimately, it's our quality that will need to count. Get out there and play with style. Don't get drawn into a grind like the WBA game.

Dare I say, even consider Fellaini deeper (he won't but it's worth considering).

Jelavic, Fellaini, Osman, Neville, Pienaar, Mirallas, Coleman, Baines, Heitinga, Jagielka, Howard

SUBS: Anichebe, Naismith, Distin, McAleny, Duffy, Gueye, Mucha

Prediction: 2-1 & 3 points

Why do you think that he won't pick Coleman at RB with Mirallas in front of him? Surely that would be the side that picks itself from last week.

With only 4 games at 3pm I'd expect it to be broadcast in Oz on viewer's choice. So it should at least turn up on a stream.

Btw, if anyone knew how I could stream games for tw only I'd happily do it.

There are no 'gimme's' in the EPL and Wigan should be up for it today. We're a local big club, sitting 2nd in the League and the need the points so on paper I think it'll be a really good test for us.

Prediction....... Blues to win 3-1 would be nice.

Gibson represents the present and the long term future of the team so the sooner he gets back into the saddle the better. It's a bit like debating whether Jelly would be an automatic return to the side on the back of Big Vic's performances, isn't it?

In Oz, we are on FOX not SKY, and the Wigan game IS being shown live here. So Ernie is correct in what he said.

The overseas deals are all negotiated in long-form contracts by territory. You pay based on how competitive the market is, and how much you plan to broadcast. ESS strike me as a cheap operator and pretty much pick up the territories no-one else wants, but is easily outbid in more contested markets like Singapore, Thailand.

So I guess the Thais recognise that we're not a small club, even if one of our own fans thinks so.

I don't think we have too to complain about right now.

Will be watching it Live in Malaysia!

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You see, Peter, Liverpool don't play until Sunday. So your local TV hasn't prioritised the RS over us.

As I also said, the game is being televised elsewhere so it's not Sky's doing and it's not the Premier League's doing (I think that it's the PL who put together the overseas packages).

There will be cameras and commentators at Goodison.

It's just not going to be on your TV. Which is disappointing for you and others in your region.

Don't let Martin Mason wind you up with the "small" bit. Imo he's one of the great wind-up merchants on the net and tries to drop that one in every so often just to get a reaction. If he manages to do so, he'll challenge you to "prove" him wrong and then argue that black is white in order to keep the thread going.

I love him really; but he sometimes makes himself look like a dickhead.

This is no gimme though as wigan have been playing well and I don't think a draw would be the end of the world. Other top 4 challenging teams will drop points here.

Ken Crowther # 277 whats with the sometimes Mason is always a dickhead.
Yep I know Ernie Baywood # 273 The Prem just packaged a great deal hey every game except Evertons even though they are #2 in the Prem. Very attractive.

As for the game, part of me thinks it'll be a scrappy draw, and another part (I don't know which) thinks that someone is due a massive tonking from us. Hopefully today.

Actually they are a medium club by most standards but the point is that they aren't a big club by any standards.

Peter, I used to work in Bangkok for Thai Shell, wonderful life apart from all of the middle aged expats that used to hang around there. I used to be able to buy Everton gear from a shop in the WTC

Where abouts in Malaysia. I worked out there in Sarawak for ten years with a lot of time in Peninsular Malaysia too. My wife is Malaysian but she so Anglophile now that she won't go back even though I can get a job there.

We've done the big/small club thing in another lifetime; however, to the best of my knowledge this is the first time that you've acknowledged that we might even be "medium".

We don't need to shoot you down, you've just flown into the cliff face.

Nice troll, Mason. You're very good. Last I looked, Everton still had 9 league titles, making them the 4th most successful club in England by that standard.

Just let me scrape myself off that cliff face.

I described the basis on why I classed EFC as a small club and that was their spending power. Small means not Big. If you were to expand on that arbitrary selection you could say, as I did, that they are a "medium" club and who's to say you'd be wrong? Where you'd really struggle is trying to find any standard against which you can class them as "Big" now except history.

If we beat Wigan today I will reclassify them as big. If we beat Liverpool I'll classify them as Universal in size.

"...spending power..."

Whether we beat Wigan today or not, we won't have spent anything at all since you determined that they were "small".

Therefore if spending power is the only criterion upon which you base size, we can't have suddenly become "big" by your standards.

Or can we? Your standards seem to have the ability to change like our Northern weather. Remember that?

You are still my favourite WUM.

Ken

Modern club size can really only be measured against financial muscle which covers much more than even just spending power. Money buys success and success is size.

No, Everton can't become big by beating Wigan today, I'd just feel so good about it that I'd make them honorary big for the weekend.

Don't know anything about YOUR Northern weather mate, I live in Horsham now which is civilised and normally bathed in sunlight. The only thing I know about the Arctic wastes of Scouseland is that it's always blue on the weathermap.

My meaning was that in football today success is related to the amount of money that a club has to spend. Also, in football today the "size" of a club is determined by the amount that they win so money begets success begets size. I'm sorry that you lose me on Deleuze, I'm an engineer not a philosopher although I'm very interested in Philosophy at a laymans level. I read all of the laymens books like Sophie's World and Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance. With the hand that I was dealt I became a man of numbers although I hope that I'm a reasonable thinker too.

People have a go at me because they feel that as I'm "wrong" they need to put me "right". When it is difficult to make a point to somebody by argument it seems easy to just insult them.

"Dickhead' gets you a yellow card, Mr Barry. Any personal posts will be deleted. Discuss topics raised — not the people raising them, please.

Compare your #329 and your #340.

See anything that might just be described and an inconsistency there?