Moyes expects it to get a lot tougher

Wise words - will hopefully get through to the Moyes Out brigade when we aren't scoring 3 every game all season.

Wishful thinking Ged. QPR are obviously just going to turn over for us on their own patch and we'll stroll to what is a minimum standard 3-0 win despite our injury problems. Failing this what should be routine set of events, then a number of irrefutable facts will come to the surface....... 'Moyes made bad substitutions' 'Moyes picked the wrong team' 'Neville/Osman aren't premier league quality'. Here's hoping for three points to avoid the same tired routine every time we drop points anywhere regardless of how the match unfolded or the standard of performance.

Providing solutions to such matters could be why Moyes and his brethren get paid millions.

I imagine the burgeoning youth policy developed by Moyes and his insightful crew over these past 10 years has secret weapons all over the the ressies trained to perfection, technique honed, primed and ready to go.

After all given our renowned financial plight it's a given - right!!

Or you could just get your excuses in first.

All most Evertonians want from the team regardless of the starting line-up is a performance that reflects their ability.

If Everton play like the first half at Wigan then it will be a long old afternoon if they perform like they did in the second half in the same game they will probably come away with a positive result.

Arsenal didn't perfom at Norwich today and paid the ultimate price , given the way results have gone (top 3 apart) it is a great opportunity for the team to stake a claim for the top 4.

That's all we ask , not to be world beaters , not to score a shedful every game but to perform with the correct attitude and hopefully come out on top in games like tomorrow's.

The people who knock Moyes , still have a nagging doubt that he doesn't believe in his own players and this sometimes transmits itself into poor performances.

It's one thing to keep players feet on the ground when things are going well , but it is another to undermine those same players when they have an outside chance of achieving something special.

It is periods like now when we are shawn of some our better players that we will see what the team is made of, hopefully , those that come in will perfrom well and lay down a challenge to those who are missing.

It's OK for Toffeewebbers to be negative and fearful as they don't affect the players , however , it is quite another matter for the manager to think that way.

I don't see anything in the article that suggests that Moyes is throwing in the towel. He says the same applies to all teams and you have to find a variety of workable options to cover the season.

In a nutshell, the manager has to find a way to get performances of the required standard from some of our fringe players.

Given that, I expect that the team he sends out against QPR will be expected to play well and get a result tomorrow. If the side he picks doesn't compete and / or there is no reasonable attempt to gee things up when necessary, then I reserve the right to comment on it without being labelled as part of the MOB.

Moyes is just getting his excuses in first, as per usual. He can see it's likely all going wrong again. Unusually we had a good start. All the adulation went to his head and now it's all coming undone because deep down he's a loser. If he had any bottle he would be positive about the next two games which he knows as far as the fans are concerned he must win to redeem himself for his failures last season. Surely it would be more honest if he just kept quiet.

No doubt it's going to get tougher, but what do you expect.

We have one of the smallest squads in the league, last year we didn't have as much quality but we had a much bigger squad.

I praised Moyes for his business in the summer but we should of tried to get a couple more squad players in, the QPR game will be tough regardless of whether Fellaini will be playing or not. But let's hope we can get a result, and then leading into the derby (hopefully) with a fully fit squad.

After Norwich beating the Gooners, we have a good opportunity to stay up top with a bit of daylight from the chasing pack. Surely our boys will be up for it.

QPR though are a bit of a bogie team for us. The last time I can remember seeing us win there was the 87 Champions season with Sharpy scoring the goal in a 1-0 win.

Sorry but I can’t take any more of this negative crap. I’ve been reading posts on this site daily now for 3 years, some posts I agree with but lots of posts I don’t agree with. Like your’s Eric and your’s Barry.

Moyes was stating the fucking obvious, It will get tougher, just read the fixture list for the next 7 games compared to the first seven, injuries will play a part (Felli, Gibbo, Hibbert). And come January we won’t have the money to go out and buy a Falcao or Ronaldo... so fucking what, this is Everton Football Club, its always been that way. Moyes says it’s going to get tougher and most people on here want to tear him to shreds, fucking pathetic!

We are playing the best football in 25 years, we’ve got one of the most exciting teams in the league and all yous want to do is moan. How does the saying go? You’re the kind of people who would feel disappointed winning the lottery on a Saturday night – because it wasn’t the Euromillions.
Do yourselves a favour and get a life, start enjoying the football while it lasts. Let’s face it, if Moyes goes, so will most of the current squad and it will take another 25 years before we start winning again.

Martin, don't apologise — you've balanced the negative crap with some nice positive crap so hopefully you'll feel a bit better now.

Martin (345) you ended your post with...

"Do yourselves a favour and get a life" and began it with "Sorry but I can’t take any more of this negative crap. I’ve been reading posts on this site daily now for 3 years..."

I'll just let that sort of.....sit there.

(by the way, anyone ever see Michael Douglas in Falling Down?)

The first two responses to the article seem to be saying that if anyone criticises Moyes, they belong to the Moyes Out Brigade. Are they getting their defence in first? Surely there'd be no debate if we all said "we're thankful for what we have, so there's no need for talk."

I think Moyes has done enough for me to want to go back to the match, because he seems to have had a revolution in his thinking, even though I can't stand that bloody chairman of ours. I think I'll be going to some games and I'm sure I'll praise Moyes and no doubt I'll criticise him on occasions too. That's what fans do, isn't it?

Martin, I can't understand what your message is. You say "he says it's going to get tougher" and most people on here want to tear him to shreds — Are you not being just a teeny bit over the top?

I've been a "viewer" of ToffeeWeb for a number of years and enjoy the debates banter and exchanges. Up until now, I have not bothered to contribute as nothing has really got me riled enough to get involved. However, Eric Hardman has changed all that.

I've never heard a bigger load if crap in all my life! I'm no blind disciple of David Moyes, he has served up some dire football over the past few year,s but to label him a loser is both unfair to the man and factually incorrect.

Hardman – on what basis do you justify this claim? Where is your evidence, stats and facts? Please expand on your 'loser' accusation and back it up with some evidence.

Otherwise, leave the bloke alone and let us enjoy a decent start to the season without the usual anti-Moyes bile from someone who is probably stuck in a mid-80s time warp – thinking we are better than we are (a red nose trait if ever I saw one).

I worry for us tomorrow. QPR have some very good players at home and with a lot to play for.

We are missing our best player in Fellaini and look very light in the middle of the park without Gibson.

I think a draw would not be awful though needless to say 3 points would be preferable.

Two games, one against bottom of the division, the next against guess fucking who. If neither were on TV I'd expect six points. However, they both are. Throw Manager of the Month into the mix. 0 out of six. Mind you, if I'd put a tenner on Frankel, it would still be running.

The aim is to make Europe, and what happens if we make it bringing even more fixtures, the injuries get worse for such a small squad. If —and that's 'IF' — we do ever qualify for the CL, it's imperative that we have a new owner as no (real) funds for Moyes will result in embarrassment.

We are armed with our last CL qualifier all those years ago with Kilbane, Beattie et al. The same cannot happen again. On saying that, we are not for sale anyway. Moyes will never match his maybe new ambitions at Everton with Kenwright still here.

We always trip up when some team needs their "1st win of the season" or "it's been 12 home games without a win" type of scenario. For me, it's a great chance even with injuries to show our intent at being a credible top 4 team. 3 points keep us in 4th, 3 points ahead of media darlings Spurs. Fellaini apart, not much International damage or action for our players: they should be fresh and up for it. Time to get a job done.

Eugene,#351, that's up there with the Moyes family holiday(the best piece I've ever read on this site). Eric#333 I have always said that I bow to no one in my criticism of David Moyes. Eric, I bow to you. The notion of keeping your powder dry till after the defeat at QPR never entered your mind.

Martin Platt, I share your pain. For the first time in a long while, it actually feels good being a blue. I used to enjoy international breaks because it gave us a break from watching our shoddy side. I now look forward to every game with confidence that at the very least, we'll compete.

Yes, I can't argue that Moyes occasionally opts for an approach that is overly cautious to the point that it fails to do justice to the team he has built but give the guy a break... he is a cracking manager. He took over a relegation bound mess 10 years ago... Look at us now.

To all those that have submitted negative posts, time for a reality check. This is as good as it gets for a good while so just sit back and enjoy.

Andy Crooks. Have I missed something? What's this defeat at QPR you are talking about? The match is 14 hours away and already we have the moaners lining up ready to shout "I told you so". You are supporters, right?

Eugene - I remember Falling Down. Pretty good film and he's always interesting. What makes you ask? You just watched it or connecting it to this thread?

This is why I come into TW. Routine, mundane, bland "manager-speak to the press" and TWers turn it into a fun thread. You're the best!

A fun thread? A bickerfest could be more accurate James.

By the way I love Falling Down. There's a bit of that in all of us I think. My favourite scenes are the phone box, the mortar down the road works and the golf course with an honourable mention for the burger bar and the muggers. Classic stuff.

Ged and Peter (#321 & #323) — you just don't get MOB, do you? We don't expect to score 3 every game (we would like it but...), the slings and arrows etc won't allow it. So long as he is sending the team out to TRY to win instead of trying not to lose as was the case for the 1st half of last season (and others).

Some cynics might say that this new Improved Moyesiah is just him putting himself in the shop window if the contract talks stall (never mind the defensive quality; feel the attacking width....) but I couldn't possibly comment.

If we win more than we lose or draw, even if we lose or draw from attacking too much, there is a fair points total to play with come the end of the season, then this member of the MOB's uniform will stay in the back of the wardrobe.

Aye, two key players out and we face rubber-ducked 'em.
So what's the antidote against any adverse reversal of fortune? ... more or less not mutch.

There isn't one single youth player that could be incorporated into the side right now. Not a lad, not a one of them, that could replace our weakest points in the side anyway.

And don't jump on Moyes's back about keeping them out for his favourites... No, it seems they really are just not up to the mark yet.

No, when all said and done, in a similar topic on here (TW), about Wayne Rooney's possible return one day — a return that may never have had to happen in the first place, if someone with more money had bought the club, instead of Betty Turpin's son.

No, until he (Kenwright) implodes, and the staggeringly rich board / circlers / hangarounders swoop down and takeover, we will have to just bugger on and stay the best 12th man the team could have.

Karl, I was poking fun at the negativity of Eric Hardman which puts my own to shame. I expect us to win today.

James (379) I mentioned the film 'Falling Down' as Martin's post (345) suggested he might be very close to...erm...'complaining about his burger'.

Moyes takes the plaudits for the start to the season from me, some of the football we have played has had me drooling. The thing is, this doesn't give him immunity from criticism if he fucks - up and there lies the difference between the so called 'MOB' and the 'Apologists' The difference is, the MOB will give Moyes credit when he deserves it and criticise him when he fucks - up, the Apologists want us all to worship him when things are going well and accept their excuses when things go tits up.

Thanks Andy Crooks. COYB!!!

Did anyone else notice that Toffeeweb didn't highlight a sigle one of the plethora of articles about Moyes believing 4th was a possibility?

Not saying LL and MK avoided this, but not everything is dour defensive Davey, though if ToffeeWeb is the only source you read you could be forgiven so.

Just one of many...

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/david-moyes-says-champions-league-qualification-is-possible-for-everton-8204168.html

I don't think so Bryan, the only excuse a MOB would accept is Moyes on his knees saying... 'I'm really bad at this, if only I paid attention to you MOBs sooner I'd have done a runner'.

I don't think so Bryan, the only excuse a MOB would accept is Moyes on his knees saying... 'I'm really bad at this, if only I paid attention to you MOBs sooner I'd have done a runner'.

Patrick Murphy can't you see the contradiction in your own post. You say that all every fan wants is the team to perform to their best regardless of the result. You then go on to say that Arsenal didn't do this and they lost. The performance tap just can't be switched on and off whenever you want it to be. Arsenal have tons more quality than we do, they took our best player and he's probably not even first choice if all their players are fit. They just lost away at Norwich because they didn't perform. Man U lost to us because they didn't perform. If these top teams can't guarantee a performance how can Everton? Over a course of a season you get some great perfromances, some good ones and some very bad ones, we've seen that already in the first 7 games. if we see a bad one today its not because Moyes sent them out to play badly, he's probably sent them out to play the same at Wigan as he did at Villa and Swansea. The conditions, the opposition, the players themselves all have to be taken into account, its not as if we can just give a good performance whenever we want to and we'll automatically win because we're better than every other team in the league and no one else performs well but us. QPR are at home, we have the talent to beat them but then again Chelsea, City and Tottenham had the talent to beat us last season, didn't stop them fromf alling foul to some inspired home performances from us. If QPR do that to us today then we might see the sort of poor performance that we did against Wigan in the first half. You can't just demand a certain standard of perfromance from your team as some form of minimum acceptable standard, doesn't work like that.