Moyes blames referee Jon Moss

Maybe he could also blame Jags for bricking two point blank headers.

Or maybe he could blame himself for switching Pienaar and bainesy??

Let's keep it real

Gonna need a miracle to beat the scum at the weekend.

I've said it before it's a recipe for disaster when he starts thinking. Messing round with the Baines/Pienaar link playing Anichebe on the wing is all "look at me, look at me I'm a tactical genius" stuff.

The suspicion is "new everton" is a happy accident rather than a design improvement and when the going gets tough he'll revert to his daft decisions.

The acid test was always the derby and it's not looking good.

The fact that Moyes refuses to see that Neville destroys our midfield makes me more sure than ever that Moyes has not grown as a manager; the fact that he blames the ref is lame, and a cover to protect his choice to stick by Neville when everybody can see that Neville is the worst midfielder that has ever played for Everton as long as I can remember.

It provokes me that Moyes refuses to take the blame for picking Neville in midfield, as both the Wigan game and the QPR game were 4 points lost just because he refuses to play anyone else but Neville.

It is beginning to look like Moyes only knows how to win when all the players are injury free. The fact is Barkley, Junior and even Heitinga would have done a better job filling that midfield role.

Moyes makes bad calls not just once, he sticks with them through thick and thin. Like playing Saha when he was clearly out of form, and playing Cahill as a striker when was showing the worst form ever at Everton.

To be honest, I cannot see how we are going to get in the Champions League as long as Moyes never learns or adapts when needed to. That is the difference between a great manager and a good one. And Moyes does not belong in the 'great manager' category.

It didn't warrant a yellow card, but it was a foul. I think he was sent for persistent fouling rather than the challenge itself, sure he'd just been warned a few seconds previously for a challenge that should've been a 2nd yellow.

Re the Derby - how may times in the past few years have we gone into that game expecting to win and got turned over, so reducing the expectations is maybe no bad thing.

Aw no ...fuck it - lets go after them on Sunday. Can't wait.

Ref was poor but

Why switch Pienaar away from the left?
Why switch Mirallas away from the right?
Why switch Anichebe away from up front where he's been scoring?

Why make so many changes?

After watching MoTD last night it was clear that it was not even a foul, never mind a yellow card. Bosingwa drew his leg back to cross the ball and it hit peanuts on the knee - just a coming together which in modern day football is always seen as a foul (unless it's in the box at a corner when judo throws are allowed). The blame is Moyes' for not taking nuts off when he was clearly hyped up. Perhaps he started with Miralles on the left because he knew that he would have to look at alternatives for next week.

The fact that we can't appeal the 2nd yellow is also farcical. We get punished by yet another blunder by the officials.

Firstly the team as a whole played very poorly for 90% of the game. There was the odd flash of the good football we've been playing and I mean "odd".

Then to Neville. I have the greatest respect for the man but he was shocking on the whoile yesterday. It was his poor execution following their clearnace that led to their goal, and he was guilty of lots of other poor play as well.

Osman is a technically, quick footed, gifted player....against certain teams, while against others his lack of strength and pace is obvious for all to see.

Anichebe suffers mostly from a poor attitude. I get the feeling he thinks the world is against him and he comes across as someone who chucks the toys out of the pram at the sightest thing and is then "lost" to the team. Body language and everything speaks volumes about the lad.

The biggest worry for me about yesterday was that it looked that we may have a touch of being a "one man team." Fellaini was sorely missed. We should have had no probelm beating a team short on confidence, and short on the knowledge of how to win.

Lastly, someone mentioned earlier in the thread about Moyes not taking off Pienaar before his second yellow and thus saving him for the derby. I hate to say it but maybe Moyes was concentrating on trying to get three points yesterday because he believes three points from the two games would be a good return.

Who knows what he thinks...I'm just SO still pissed off and down after a very poor performance, and a very viable chance to put a few points between us and the teams just below us.

Nearly fainted a few minutes ago when talking to a redshite in work, he defended Coleman and said he did touch the ball first, which was shown in the replay.

Imagine that? our enemy defending us yet our own fans turning on Pienaar and stating it was a stonewall pen.

Pienaar should have been carded for the stupid jump into the QPR player....just after he stupidly and easily lost the ball. He didn't so no need to look at that again. The "foul" he was booked for, was not a foul but a man running behind another one and the first fella bring his foot so far back it hit Pienaar's knee. How is that a foul?

Let's hope we can get all three points next week. A derby win is well overdue.

Christopher Kelly @612

"blame Jags for bricking two point blank headers"
Christopher, I'm glad you don't referee any of our matches. Watch the incident where he hits the bar. Zamora clearly pushes Jags quite forcefully in the back and Jags can be seen trying to adjust his body in order to get the header on target. Typically, he just got on with the game. I've watched it a couple of times and that is the case.

Incidentally, I thought that a referee could rescind a yellow if he watches an incident and thinks he got it wrong. I KNOW that the FA can do that with a red card but I thought a ref could do it himself if needed.

1) He's gone.

2) Prick.

In slow motion it's NO foul, but the ref doesn't have slow-motion replay so I can't blame him.

Imo, once he'd had the talking to, he should have been substituted.

Having said that, blaming the referee seems pointless to me. We all know they make mistakes, and as angry as I was at the time, he had warned Pienaar with Neville next to him that he was on his last chance. Obviously the next foul was going to lead to a red, the ref practically had the card ready. Yes, the ref was an idiot, but a predictable one.

Any chances of a rescind (if it's possible) have probably been blown by Moyes's comments.

As soon as Pienaar clattered that player and the ref went over to give him his final warning he was lucky to stay on then and it was obvious that the slightest thing he done next would see him off. Moyes should have took him off there and then.

No-one's reaction to a foul is to throw your arms up in the air, it is a calculated movement to blag the ref. Jag does it too, he has been around the redshite in the England camp for too long methinks.

Bale started at left back for Spurs, look at how he has fared.

The shite will have either Johnson or Wisdom at right back on Sunday - Baines could easily tear them a new one.

Please do not play Anichebe on the wing in front of Coleman ever again, my Nan is more of a winger than him.

Baines is our best left back in a generation, so why do what so many are moaning about from yesterdays game? Play someone in their wrong position (However, don't know how playing a leftie on t he left and a midfielder in the middle is squares pegs blah blah blah)

We haven't seen enough of Oviedo to know if he could handle it in the Premiership, especially blooding him in a Derby.

Couldn't agree more with the Coleman/Anichebe point.....I get a shiver just thinking about that.

Pienaar WAS a CMFer, every where he has been, apart from infront Baines, he hasn't performed, lanquished in the reserves in Germany, came here excellent, went to the WC in SA hoping to put himself in the CL shop window, came back here - excellent, went to Spurs -lanquished again, came back here. Do we see a pattern yet.

Without Baines he is nothing, Morecambe without Wise, fish without chips, salt without vinegar, etc

And also Baines is never as good without him.

The odd time Moyes goes off the deep end tactically, Hibbo at CB Vs City it comes off.

If you've got a Hibbo-esque Vs City cunning plan Davie this is the week to bring it out, no saving it for a rainy day, next Sunday it will be pissing down and we stand a good chance of getting pissed on from a great height.

Stop having a go at moyes who has done a great job getting us to fourth. To many people on here criticize him after every game instead of getting behind him. Werewould we be without him? What other manager could do a better Job with his budget? Ok he tinkered with the squad for this game, but we had a couple of players missing and he has to try something different. If we play the same system every game then opponents will know how to contain us. Let's be more positive about how this season is going and show our full support to the manager.

remember IMWT

COYB!!!

You're right regarding the push in Jags' back. I'll give you that. Jags was also solid defensively.

However, if he was denied a penalty, then why wasn't there a bit of fuss made?? I'd sure love to have those extra 2 points albeit undeserved

Chris, it seems to be something in Moyes make-up, he wrote an article in The Sunday Times a while ago saying that he didn't want "divers" or people crowding around the ref complaining. I suppose he regards that as his job. I sometimes wish we'd be a bit more demonstrative at such times, though, other clubs frequently benefit from it while we're the Nice Guys and get nothing.
Does anyone know categorically if the ref can review his decision and rescind a second yellow? I thought that that was the case.

Boswinga clipped him? Even though he was in front of him.

Good grief.

"He headbutted my fist, your worship..."

For me Sundays game already looks shite – IMO kick the fuck out of them as I'm sure whoever the man in black is, he already knows it going to a meaty fucking game. Can guarantee the first 10 minutes will be a free for all as both teams seem to think they get little protection from the ref – red card's a plenty that's for sure.

Quality!

The last draw at Goodison was the infamous Graham Poll derby 0-0. Sunday's Referee is apparently Andre Marriner.

62-63 to 71-72 Played 10 won 5 lost 1 drew 4 scoring 12 and conceding 8.
72-73 to 81-82 played 10 won 1 lost 6 drew 3 scoring 6 and conceding 14.
82-83 to 91-92 played 10 won 2 lost 4 drew 4 scoring 9 and conceding 16.
92-93 to 01-02 played 10 won 4 lost 2 drew 4 scoring 13 and conceding 9.
02-03 to 11-12 played 10 won 3 lost 7 drew 0 scoring 9 and conceding 16.

Overall the record is played 50 won 15 lost 20 drew 15 scoring 49 and conceding 63.

Now I know why we are all paranoid when it comes to this particular fixture at Goodison.

Having done this exercise, I have decided to refrain from looking at our record at their place in the past 50 years!

COYB