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Moyes: Suárez has a history of diving
Boss calls again for retrospective banning of cheats
David Moyes has made no bones about his disdain for the antics of Luis Suárez, placing the controversial Liverpool striker among a group of players who he fears will drive support from football by "conning their way to results".The Everton boss used his pre-match press conference to raise concerns that it's the Uruguayan's theatrics and not his talent that will influence Sunday's Goodison derby, just as they did in this fixture last year when Jack Rodwell was shown a red card for a perfectly legal challenge.
"People talk about the sendings-off in these derbies [20 of them] without talking about the decisions," Moyes said. "Last year's one was a dive and a really poor decision by the referee. It ruined the game."
Asked if there's a danger of a repeat this weekend where Andre Marriner will officiate, Moyes continued: "I do because I think he [Suárez] has got history. But I'm not the referee. What it will do is turn the supporters away from football because they [players who dive] are very good at it.
"It's a hard job for the referees, it really is, but it will turn supporters away from it if they think players are conning their way to results. People like to see things done correctly. Of course if the ball hits your hand you're going to claim for it and you're going to take every decision that you get going for you. But I don't think supporters like it when players are out to manufacture it."
"I don't think there are many players out there who really do it. I don't think there is. But I would hope if I got one who did I would be big enough to say: 'Would you please stay on your feet and stop going down easy.' Supporters just don't like the thought of people going down easily. Everybody who has played football at any level would hate that in their game. People who play the game find it very hard to go along with."
Suárez has already been involved in a number of apparent simulation incidents this season, not least the one against Stoke City at Anfield which was so blatant it became an Internet meme. The ex-Ajax striker has now garnered a reputation, the like of which Moyes had to contend when Andrew Johnson was with the Blues a few seasons ago.
Moyes always maintained, however, that Johnson was harshly treated by referees and was not the serial diver that opposition managers made him out to be. "Andy often got clipped because he got to the ball really quickly," Moyes said.
"I'm of the view that retrospective viewing of diving should be more important than some of the technology they are talking about bringing in," he said. "I think it would make the referee's job an awful lot easier if that was there. If you do it and you get banned for it, it wouldn't take long before you cut it out.
"It wouldn't take much — four or five people on a panel: referees, players and managers. It could be easily done."
Quotes or other material sourced from The Guardian
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2 Posted 27/10/2012 at 02:42:29
3 Posted 27/10/2012 at 03:18:12
No, I think after the Rodwell incident he has a right to raise this. I'm not normally a fan of singling out other team's players, but he hasn't changed and will undoubtedly try it again even with this. I like the way Moyes has done it though.
4 Posted 27/10/2012 at 08:07:54
I have a horrible feeling one of their players will convince the referee to make a ridiculous decision. Over to you, Andre Marriner.
5 Posted 27/10/2012 at 08:26:41
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlNnN-Eds3Q
6 Posted 27/10/2012 at 08:24:48
Although nowhere near the scale of Suarez and Bale, I hope those chats with Pienaar and Jelavic are ongoing. Jelavic in particular has lost out a couple of times this season due to referees thinking he's a diver - he has done occasionally, but like I said not as prolific as Suarez (who can only dream of being as prolific as Jelavic when it comes to scoring!)
Of course THAT dive against Stoke from the rat-faced racist was comedy gold. I was in a bar full of reds when it happened, and one guy screaming himself purple at the bar. He then went bright red and turned away when he saw the replay.
7 Posted 27/10/2012 at 09:03:57
Of course if he is influenced either way, the same posters will be on calling the ref a horrible bastard... and round and round we go.
8 Posted 27/10/2012 at 09:14:34
Oh perrrrrrrlease! What does that mean anyway?
Shane, Moyes is making comments about the diving of one individual. Rodgers was playing the victim card, looking for sympathy, and a 'strong referee' is reverse psychology even if a bit blatant.
One is promoting good discipline, the other out to influence. I see where you're coming from but it's not on the same level.
9 Posted 27/10/2012 at 09:33:51
10 Posted 27/10/2012 at 09:49:32
11 Posted 27/10/2012 at 10:08:45
Last home game he was all over the floor. Was he diving? Surely not!!
12 Posted 27/10/2012 at 10:12:09
13 Posted 27/10/2012 at 10:28:08
14 Posted 27/10/2012 at 10:43:49
I hope the crowd make it hard for the ref to be biased towards them and Marriner refs the game fairly.
15 Posted 27/10/2012 at 11:12:03
It's about time someone gave him something to really squeal about, horrible twat.
16 Posted 27/10/2012 at 11:17:28
Spot on. The man is utterly abhorrent.
Before Liverpool signed him I recall reading somewhere a post from an Ajax fan. They were saying what a fantastic footballer he is but that he's glad he's going. Words to the effect of 'thug' and 'cheat' were used. Can't argue with that.
17 Posted 27/10/2012 at 11:46:15
18 Posted 27/10/2012 at 11:52:23
19 Posted 27/10/2012 at 12:03:56
Although I agree with everything Moyes said, I'm not sure it's helpful to say it in public. Note Brendan Rogers is at the mind games as well, claiming the RS don't get any decisions in their favour from refs... Has he seen any of the Everton matches this season??
20 Posted 27/10/2012 at 12:05:17
Gamesmanship from Brendan Rogers whining about referees decisions this week is just the kind of scummy tactic we've come to expect ahead of Merseyside derbies — all the more hypocritical from a club that employs the racist, cheating scumbag that is Suarez.
I so hope David Moyes gets it right tomorrow and picks a team that goes out, performs to its best and absolutely pummels the RS into a humiliating, demoralising, soul-destroying, season-ending defeat. May the RS permanently be in decline starting from Sunday's game.
Regarding Suarez — surely among the most disgusting breed of humanity to wear a red shirt (and that's saying something when you can list Gerrard, Case, Souness, Barnes, Fowler among them). I think if we changed our sponsors for the day to RENTOKIL, it would really puts the fear of God into that rodent.
21 Posted 27/10/2012 at 13:05:21
"I hope the crowd make it hard for the ref to be biased towards them and Marriner refs the game fairly." Just like Atkinson did last year (and Twattenburg, Poll etc before him)
For some reason; Refs come to our place and perform so that there is no chance of them ever being accused of being a "homer".
We are over-due a huge slice of luck, hope we get it all tomorrow. Offside goals in our favour, deflections off the ref into the net for a start.
22 Posted 27/10/2012 at 13:37:15
I would add though that the comments regarding Gerrard are by far understated, he is amongst the dirtiest players (certainly in derbies) I have seen for many a year. He may have skills and talents that have gotten him caps for England but to me he displays all that is bad about professional football as well. His tackles are a disgrace and career threatening and for some reason any other player would get straight red cards. Not Gerrard.
Phil Roberts got it right; somewhere along the line they need a taste of their own medicine. It couldn't happen to two nicer people in my book...
23 Posted 27/10/2012 at 13:56:43
24 Posted 27/10/2012 at 18:32:26
We should be shouting this from the rooftops. We should be doing comedy, Mourinho-style press conferences where we refuse to answer questions properly and just keep repeating ourselves. The more I think about it, the more annoyed I get.
Can we start a 'give us our points back' campaign? We're even already at a disadvantage in the derby before a ball has been kicked as Steven Pienaar won't be playing despite the whole world knowing that he shouldn't have been sent off last week.
25 Posted 27/10/2012 at 19:01:54
And if Moysey and the players keep schtum in case of FA reprisals, why not let a "spokesman", like Suntan Bob, tell it like it is?
And to back up your point, the "real" table in a just world...
http://www.debatabledecisions.com/english-premier-league-tables
26 Posted 27/10/2012 at 19:53:04
My mate was speaking to two lads who were speaking to Rodgers on the train back from QPR last week. The gist of the conversation went something along the lines of:
"Fuckin' hell, Brendan, how do ya keep comin' out and defendin' dat cheat Suarez?" To which he replied: "I know what he is. But I'm hardly going to come out and say it, am I? He's my player after all. It knocks me sick and I've told him but he obviously doesn't listen."
So there you have it, boys — his own manager knows what he is. Apparently he also said, "It's the South American psyche — they're not like us Brits."
They also said he was a cracking fella... Although I'm not having that myself.
27 Posted 27/10/2012 at 22:47:54
28 Posted 28/10/2012 at 00:50:52
But now I think he draws the attention wrong complaing about refeeres and diving,,,, just focus on our own game and it will pay off in the end ffs
29 Posted 28/10/2012 at 01:08:10
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1 Posted 27/10/2012 at 00:57:40
I detest Suarez and a significant part of the reason is his diving. Make no mistake, he got Rodwell sent off last season and thus we lost the match
I just hope the prick doesn't influence the game Sunday.
I didn't like it the odd time Arteta or Yak dived and Moyes DID have a word cos they stopped.
However Suarez dives and their fans genuinely think he's been fouled. He's a nasty nasty human being.
Well done, Mr Moyes.