On target for 4th, says Pip

"That's the goal that the manager set us, be in the top four or be in and around the top four by the time we get to Christmas.", I wonder what the posters who think Moyes only wants 40 points will think of this?

Just me being a gall half full person cynic after so many years of supporting Everton

I wonder if Tottenham's Bale or Gallas would make a similar statement if they had just been on the same run of form we have.

And yes Ajay, depending on how the transfer window goes I think our season could very well just be back-to-front, and much worse is yet to come as we hit our usual August, September, October form in January, February and March.

Any one else think that with the numbers of times Fellaini fouled Shawcross that that was his intention?

Nahh - Too many conspiracy theories going around giving me a headache.

http://www.sbnation.com/2012/12/18/3778652/the-fall-of-the-house-everton-marouane-fellain-2012-epl

"The Everton Football Club is a famous and historically significant part of English football, whether you'd like to admit it or not. They may not have the multitude of titles or European successes that other clubs have had, but they are still a legitimate part of the footballing lexicon"

This article makes us sound like we have always made up the numbers when in fact for most of our history we have been leading lights.

The fourth most sucessful English side but you wouldn't think so reading this.

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If we're judging on European success alone then you're right we haven't a great deal to shout about, but twice European Champions Nottingham Forest were never a big club and probably will never be a big club.

Maybe the wheels will come off....but why be so negative? why complain because our club captain is trying to be positive about our achievements this season? This post contradicts the pessimistic Moyes narrative, and illustrates that high aims are set for this group of players. Last time I checked, we were two points off third/fourth, with West Ham away and Wigan at home next...I personally am pretty chuffed with what we've managed, especially given that we've lost Gibson for a chunk of the season, Mirallas on several occasions, and Pienaar and Jelavic have not yet hit form.

People moan when we don't start well, and now we finally have had a good start, that isn't good enough either! Just no pleasing some people...!

I'm really enjoying the football at the moment, despite the unwanted number of draws.

I'm also looking forward to seeing how Moyes copes with the loss of Fellaini. I'll probably be moaning about Naismith come Saturday. But our football is certainly something to be happy about, whether we get top four or not.

However, I would take issue with Mr Moyes's target... surely the target for Christmas should be top, realistic or not... no?

But if you set a target of the 'top four', then effectively your target is 4th..

The whole targets thing is precatory, and abstract..

It's like the Genie coming out of the lamp, granting you a wish and you wishing for a fiver.

Then he'd be sacked.

I think you're confused and mixing your metephors here...

We're talking about Moyes imagination. Not Bills pockets.