Stubbs: Budget will determine Moyes's decision

Let's face it, everybody has agreed whatever they think of Moyes that whoever is manager needs sufficient funds if we are to compete at the top end of the league. Not sure the board will have wanted a close member of staff to reveal what the stumbling block is but now it seems like Stubbs quite rightly has said it like it is.

So seems like it's over to the board now and see what they come up with.

Somewhere along the line its been frown in the guys face - wanting a pay rise, arrogance, waiting for a better offer, bigger than the club, holding the club to ransom...

The 24/7 search hasn't worked and you can't flog a dead horse. He's trying his best though and if Everton finish 4th it will be another manager of the season award and the biggest top 4 qualification since 2005.

What will probably happen is he'll be greeted with "We've spent the TV money already, Fellaini is this season's Arteta, and players wages have needed paying since January so that Fer money has gone. If you want, David, we can take a loan out on the potential future increments on the Rodwell deal and you might have room for a few loans on the last day of the window. Does this sound okay for you?"

If he leaves to fulfill his ambition or because he believes he can't take us any further, then fine. If he leaves because the board refuse to back this manager of 11 years, then that really will be gut wrenching and leaves very little hope for whoever comes in after him.

I recall he uttered some bullshit about trusting Kenwright and sorting it after January then changing his story saying it depends on where we finish in the league and FA cup and whether it's sunny in the summer or something?

If Stubbs is right, Moyes is a right Tom Pepper.

BTW, is it true that Everton are one of seven clubs already scrounging Sky for advanced payments of the new telly deal to pay off the debt? If so, that is typical of our useless board.

I doubt he'll buy the Forth Road Bridge twice. If he does, I know of someone selling real estate in Florida which he will let him have at an excellent price.

We all know Bill has no money so it is really up to them two to start putting up the money, otherwise Moyes will go, the team will decline, the value of the club will go down, so will their investment value.

Bill needs to tell them. The club needs extra investment from them — or from someone else which will dilute their share. Otherwise, they will lose far more.

Moyes knows he is a shoe-in at a few clubs with money if he goes in May and I don't blame him. However, there is no guarantee he will perform any better wherever he goes.

I believe the likes of Mancini, AVB and Benitez are overrated and wouldn't have lasted 5 minutes at Goodison under the same set of circumstances that Moyes has endured.

The increase in Sky money will go to "other operating costs"... Simple.

BK has borrowed so much for what seems to be so little; if he was to leave today, what would his legacy be? Saving the club from the clutches of PJ and what else?

Moyes is probably already gone and that is maybe what Stubbs is spelling out, knowing full well the financial position of the board of directors, prepare for some abject away days in the coming weeks and months, one step forward and three steps back.

I also can't see Martinez coming to Goodison, indeed it is hard to see who of any ability would welcome the position with all the laundry starting to be done in public and a growing number of people cottoning on to the true financial state of the club.

First it was about what the team achieve, ie, 4th place, FA Cup. Now that's not realistic, it's about what the board offer him.

I personally don't believe it. Hypothetically if he's offered all of the fee if we sell Fellaini and a chunk of the TV cash, what will be the next excuse?

This season DM has only had what the Rodwell transfer will bring and wasted the last £3m of that on an unproven RB. He didn't appear too unhappy then?

I think he wants to leave basically because he wants to try somewhere else... If Contracts, players and transfer funds were an issue, he would've left years ago.

I agree with you both...not a cat in hell's chance of us finishing 4th.

And there's even less chance of the board giving anyone any money! Bellends!!

I'd actually love Martinez at Everton – but I agree, I don't think he'd take the job when/if Bullshite Bill offers it to him.

I reckon in the next few months we'll have more excitement with the politics than the football!

As has been mentioned, the club is beginning to air it's dirty laundry in public, and this can't be good for the value of the potential sales that we keep being told about. I honestly believe that Moyes was the key here, and had he signed a two-year contract extension last summer, a lot of it could have been avoided.

With that sort of time left on a contract, any club that actually wanted him wouldn't be forking out too much to buy his contract, and all this other BS could have been sorted behind closed doors without all the bickering of fans and whatnot. As it stands, Moyes is now doing to the club what he got pissed off at Pienaar about.

I can't wait for all the activity when Moyes announces his sabbatical... Stoke... Chelsea — whatever.

At last, a new start — bringing with it new hope. It's gonna be fantastic.

Also, an open question, do people really think that Baines will leave? I can see Fellaini and maybe a few others departing, but I just cannot see Baines going anywhere.

It's a bit like the situation at the FA — the blokes in blazers are not really bothered if England win anything, just as long as they are there in the tournament so they can milk all the monies from merchandise etc! Just like our Board is happy for us to win nothing, as long as we stay in the Premier League and the money that comes with that.

They sicken me!

On a slightly different but linked point, there's not enough made of the part supporters play in attracting Sky and other TV money. The atmosphere at Saturday's game greatly enhanced the TV offering – the money just wouldn't be there if stadiums were always quiet and/or half empty. Of course there's no chance of the board recognising that.

If it is the truth and Moyes leaves, then the fans on here, not everyone I know, will have a blood lust for poor old Billy bullshit. It is interesting as Bill will have his back right up against the wall so what will he do? Let Moyes go and try and blag it? The wolves will be at his door. Can't see him coming out of that smelling of roses.

Yeh, I know he stinks already but this statement will make a big difference with the fans and that's why I'm surprised by Stubbsey. I wonder if Moyes prompted him? I agree with the guy who said this could be more interesting than the football being played.

The only good thing to come out of Moyes leaving would be that the focus would turn to the parasites and freeloaders that make up our board.

The clock is ticking. Maybe even the Echo could ask some questions? Or maybe not...

Well at least we would still have Osman and Neville... don't forget Naismith; mid-table Championship side that.

I would rather see Moyes, Baines and Felli plus Mirallas stay and be joined by Fer, Negredo and one or two others; quite an exciting thought a team like that.

It could be an informed opinion and turn out to be correct or it could be pure guesswork. We, as always, won't know what the heck is going to happen until it does.

If he stays, some of us will be happy, some of us won't. Personally I think if he stays I will support Everton. If he goes, I will still support Everton.

Green and them are NOT going to offer Baines wages commensurate with his standing as one of the world's best at what he does. And he's in his prime.

I've said before that I believe Fella and Baines both would rather stay at Goodison, but won't because Jack Rodwell is on £100k a week to sit on the bench at Man City.

That means Bill has to finally go. But who and what will force a sale to a serious investor? How about the press expose the operating expense issue?

They're too busy giving us the Suarez story. For what ever reason.

Moyes: "So, Bill, how much money have I got this time around? Otherwise, this time I really am off."

Bill: "Umm... umm... I'm really really really sorry, David, but there isn't any to spend on transfers."

Moyes: "Right, that's it, I'm —"

Bill interupts!! "Wait, wait, wait! I'll increase your salary from £3M to £4M!!!"

Moyes: "Mmmmmm.... okay, done; I'll sign."

I was very upset after the FA Cup loss to Wigan, and like a lot of fans, I thought it was the fact Moyes just didn't care anymore. And I also jumped on the anti-Moyes campaign. But, after a week to deliberate over it, I realise I was too quick to judge.

The reason for my change of heart was when you look at the squad sheet; he only has the same faces to use in the way we play. If Moyes has a Plan B, what dramatically can he change? Yeah, there is Barkley but one player wont change a game that dramatically. Not at 3-0 down.

Away, from that, a week later, we play Man City and only go and win it 2-0, even with 10 men. With – lo and behold – the same squad, give or take, I firmly believe what was said after the Wigan game — that it was a blip/a bad day at the office — which we should be used to after performing so badly against the lesser sides in the Premier League.

To top my theory off and prove Moyes still cares for our beloved Toffees was there for all to see after Jelly snatched the second goal. Firstly, there was the way he celebrated, jumping up and down and fist pumping the air. It shows it still means everything and the fact there was no delay in his elation at beating City. It was spontaneous and as instant as you or I were at that very same time.

If we lose him, I'm sure it won't be due to his own financial gain. I think he wants the board to realise his potential and the potential of our grand old team. It's time for us to kick on and show the Premier League and Europe that with a little more investment we can revive a sleeping giant.

So it's time the board put a blank cheque book in one of Davey's hands, the contract in front of him, and a pen in the other. And let's enjoy what evolves in front of our very eyes. Back him, Board — or relegation battles and loss of gate receipts and sponsorship will be putting a big dent in the value of the shares and the long term future of our super special one-of-a-kind club.

Robert Elstone: Captain Darling – Sycophantic side-kick but with no real ideas of his own.

David Moyes: Blackadder – Ambitious beyond his station but always thwarted by his superior's foolhardiness.

Steve Round: Baldrick – Well intentioned, good-hearted, salt-of-the-earth character but lacks any real knowledge.

Bill Kenwright: General Melchett – Blustering boss of everything but unable to see the wood for the trees. Rash decision maker but forgets that others may suffer due to his incompetence.

Phil Neville: George – A useful foil to Blackadder but although good natured lacks any real talent.

What we are all waiting for is a Flash character to breathe new life into the club as I can't think of anyone here at the moment who could play that part.

Now hopefully the whole world will see that Bill failed the club yet again. Forget what you think about Moyes; failing to back your manager is not good enough for us.

With players' wages at an all-time high and very few saleable assets due to an ageing team, it is clear that the way forward is to get an attack-minded manager intent on developing the youth players. Moyes has had his time and I really do believe he should show some dignity and step aside for someone else.

I've said all along that Moyes will sign a new contract and this latest soundbite from Stubbs just confirms that for me. So now it's not about league positioning.... Well, it can't be, can it, because – if you're refusing to sign a new contract unless you make it into Europe and then fail to make it – you're gonna look like one greedy egotistical tit when you do sign that contract.

So now there is another reason why he might sign: promises from a man who has promised him before and let him down over and over again. Moyes must be aware of the speculation about a successor and the lack of interest in him from other clubs. I actually do believe that Moyes wants assurances from the board... but – if they do or don't – he will still sign.

He's now allowing Moyes to run down his contract (and walk away), while spouting what he's spouting, I personally think Moyes has shown us a whole new delusional/arrogant aspect of his personality (Wigan just a bad day?).

Where can DM go, just based on his performances/tactics in Europe alone, would surely rule him out of any big club with any serious aspirations in Europe. Didn't Fulham and Middlesborough actually make to the final of the Europa, did we ever look like we were contenders?

DM is 25/1 not to leave with SkyBet and the bookies favourite to replace him at 50/1 to stay at Wigan. Just maybe well be having this debate in another 5 years after DM's 16th party at EFC, that will be 23 years without the need for Brasso.

Although Moyes is paid handsomely by Kenwright to achieve mediocrity, he too is probably sick of having to just about make do when the board through their intransigence fail to deliver year on year when it comes to investment.

Although I personally feel that due to too many draws, loss of form since Christmas, lack of strength in depth and the failure to recruit during the January window that Everton will fall some distance short of 4th place. Even at a long shot of making 4th place and the champions league qualifiers I would expect a repeat of the summer before Villarreal when Kenwright done fuck all to provide he funds to kick on.

Kenwright is narcissistic and he will continue to put his own self interests before the good of Everton, his trainset is for his keeping, with or without Moyes.

Unfortunately the biggest divide amongst the fans has been the inability to collate or even have an insight, or even being arsed about the information that has been gathered from journalistic/fan-based action groups down the years that he has been in power.

For a Premier League club to have a Chairman with an investment of a poxy £20 million (the price of one Liverpool player?) competing for a Champions League place borders on the incredulous.

I believe first and foremost that Lord Grantchester (of the Moores/Littlewoods family) DOES want to invest in the club. The reason he doesn't invest, I believe, is because (and he has stated) he will not take an active role investing in the club while True Blue Holdings (ie, Bill Kenwright) are in a position of authority.

I have also heard it rumoured that he has offered Kenwright his 'coin' back, so to speak, but Kenwright will not budge from...

(A) His money-grabbing desire to make as much as possible out of his investment.

(B) After the (believed to be) offer of £200M when we where 4th and riding high the first time, it sticks in his craw the down-to-earth reality of the 'coin back' offer.

(C) That we might get 5th or 4th again, and he'll get another big offer.

I honestly believe folks that the only way to get rid of this True Blue parasite is to... well, like they say about starving a cold (or whichever way it goes), is to boycott your season tickets.

Sadly, quite simply put, if we don't get investment soon, it won't matter even if we get Alex Ferguson in as manager, we will inevitably hit the financial wall. I mean Ferguson might well motivate the team, and swap things round a bit (scuse pun), but he can't miraculously heal the sick, or keep buying players with NO FUCKING MONEY!!!

If Moyes comes out and says the above to TalkSport, it makes things difficult for him to retain his position. Stubbs acting as his mouthpiece is close enough for the message to be made public, but far enough away to keep the heat off the gaffer.

Stubbs would never come out and say anything like this without the express instruction of Moyes. He micro-manages the club on nearly every level. It's one of his great strengths (every detail taken care of) and weaknesses (tactical inflexibility).

Moyes wants the fans to know the exact reasons for the contract standoff, without saying it himself. This avoids potential friction with the board in the event the required funds are made available.

So, according to them, the manager who has won NOTHING for the club for 11 years and who gets paid a Kings Ransom for achieving NOTHING has no responsibility for the way Everton CAPITULATE so regularly in the big games and never win ANYTHING.

Yo'r 'avin a laff!!!!! as they say.

MOYES OUT NOW.

Thank god we never got bought by them clowns at Blackburn though.

That makes a lot of sense!!

Not only is this position confusing, but whether he means to or not, he is leaving the club in a parlous state in terms of football management, if he does decide to leave in the summer. The new man may not have enough time to prepare, recruit players, sell etc.

It shows you our board have no backbone. No right minded set of directors would accept this uncertainty.

Only on here could we also have a "quote" assigned to Stubbs yet posters suggesting he has been put up to it by Moyes.....you just couldn't write it.

Moyes has made more money than he can ever spend and is now in a very comfortable position and could easy leave and never work again. The problem is that he is football obsessed like us fans and will probably stay in football til he pops his clogs.

He is in a better position now than he was last contract, so hopefully Kenwright will find some pennies down the back of the couch for him. If not, he could be off and the new magician... sorry manager that everyone wants will have less to work with than Moyes... Welcome to Everton, fella.

But I'm all for new voices on TW, even the old ones.

Maybe Tim Jones is an alter ego that allows him to explore other subjects with more depth and a different perspective.

Scratch that, just read his stuff. Same old vitriolic bile.

Occasionally we get “Shitesters”, although they soon reveal their hands by virtue of what they say.

I used to wonder about people whose grammar and spelling seemed to change markedly from one post to the next, but in the end I put that down to the drink.

Perhaps we should include some sort of a test. Maybe (as some US firms do – I jest not) we should ask people to identify their “spirit animal.” Or we could ask people to do a word association exercise. What word or words come to mind when you hear:

(1) The Everton Board?
(2) Bill Kenwright?
(3) Mark Lawrenson?
(4) You’ll Never Walk Alone?

Whiskey is very definitely my "spirit animal".
(1) Shite
(2) Shite'ster
(3) Moustache with shite attached
(4) Shite
Is there a prize?

Most of his disciples claim we will turn into Blackburn, Charlton or Leeds if he leaves, which is plainly bollocks.

I am fairly impressed by Pochettino at Southampton, (very early days, I know) and what his players are already saying about him.

Rodriguez said they are now allowed to express themselves, and they are not scared of playing big teams anymore. Maybe it was a masterstroke by the Board after all. Look at Laudrup, and how his reputation has soared in the last 6 months.

Moyes plays for draws against the so called "big teams." It is in his nature, he has freely admitted it. He also takes the keep it tight attitude into every big game we have played, but I can't take any more capitulations are the four never to be mentioned.

No other supposedly "top six" side go out to hold the opposition — they go out to win.

I fully understand your criticism of Moyes's big game mentality, I have made it myself many times. I would however be careful about the comparison to other managers.

Pochettino has beaten City and Liverpool at home – good for him; nothing Moyes hasn't done... in fact, Moyes did it just last Saturday, but I guess that sort of game is only counted as 'big' if he loses but not if he wins. We're the only club to beat both Manchester teams this season so clearly not all the top 6 are going out to win these big games.

Words are cheap. Liverpool were shambolic against Man Utd twice, and Arsenal home and away, they also got out of jail against Tottenham at home and Chelsea away, and in all senses 'choked' against us at Goodison (although it could be viewed both ways). Arsenal equally have an atrocious record against just about every top team other than Liverpool and us, especially away from the Emirates. Spurs only just broke their Old Trafford hoodoo this year and until last month frequently bottled games against Arsenal, as well as choking against us and the RS.

They can bang on all they want about going out to win these games but the facts are they don't. We've beaten Man Utd, Man City and Tottenham at home this year and we actively set out and deserved to win all three. We deserved to beat Liverpool but sadly didn't, with correct refereeing we should have beaten Arsenal too, perhaps the same could be said for City away.

Away games against the top teams are hard for every single team in the league and that includes the top teams. That does not excuse Moyes's record at the ToffeeWeb four grounds but just because Pochettino beat City and Liverpool at home doesn't count for anything. His players may not be scared of playing the big teams but I can guarantee that, away from home scared or not, they'll still probably lose far far more than they'll win.

For once, let's reserve judgement on these away days this season until we've actually played them because so far our record against the top sides this season isn't that bad at all.

Now we're supposed to believe that his contract talks rest on whether cash is made available in the summer or not – even though he has had 11 years to get to know the people he works for.......erm right!

Everyone knows that if there is going to be cash it will likely come from selling Fellaini, Heitinga or Baines. The new TV money is being spoken about as well but I hope the board uses the cash to reduce the debt first rather than splashing it all out on new players (and their wages).

Moyes is obviously waiting to see if a better offer will be made from somewhere else, if Stubbs seriously thinks its just a cash question then he really thinks we're mugs and my respect for him has taken a hit . Moyes knows the financial state of the club, as well as the board, so making financial ultimatums when the pot is empty would just be daft.

Hopefully Schalke will whet is new found appetite for managing in Germany and he can finally move one and let someone else more dynamic take charge. Altough only Everton will be daft enough to offer a £4M-a-year contract – still he's rich enough so his great great grandchildren don't have to worry... so hopefully he'll take the lesser offer from Germany (if hopefully made).

I really would not be able to take another 5 years of the same management!

Losing is fine, as long as you try to win in the first place!

The likelihood of CL qualification comes down to our away form against sides that we want to believe we can compete with every season. I can't think of a bunch of games that will answer this better and define Moyes's 11-year (so far) tenure better than our remaining away games against Arsenal, Chelsea, Spuds and the RS.

I'd say that a great result that demonstrates real progress would be to get 9 or more points out of those games. I won't hold my breath but I know the team is capable.

COYB

The spirit animal of the Board is is a sloth (24/7 variety). All your word associations sound on the money to me. The prize has to be continuing to post under your own name.

Personally I think there's been times when the teams been so poor that some of those negative points have been good ones compared to the hiding we probably would have taken had we gone gung ho. Equally there's been times such as last year Anfield away when the approach to the game has been diabolically wrong and we probably did have a superior team.

I don't think that has been the case this year though (although the big tests remain to be seen). We haven't played for a draw against anyone (we were just downright poor against Man Utd away), we've taken the game to most teams and even with a severely weakened line up we saw Liverpool parking the bus at Goodison against a midfield of Osman Neville Gueye and Naismith. It wasn't for want of trying we didn't win that game, more that we didn't have the quality to break down 11 men behind the ball.

If we surrender all the big away games for the rest of the season then fair enough. If we get beaten like we did at Old Trafford though then that is a different thing from not trying to win, we just had a job done on us there and weren't good enough. That is a very different thing than what happens at Anfield most years (although the RS have got away with a few down the years at Anfield).

We have never gone to Anfield and thrown the bus at them, even when they were down to ten men, after the Greek crippled Fellaini.

We were gifted a goal in the Semi against them, and folded. Their worst team in the last 15 years!

We went to Fiorentina with a defensive mindset, and came away with 2-0 loss, even though we had a better side, as proved at Goodison.

We can beat any team in the division on our day - so 44 attempts without success is unforgivable, even if we beat all our bogey sides between now and the end of the season!

P.S. If we carry on his record, it will be 47 - 0 , surely even a League 2 side would do better!

I couldn't give a toss whether we've not beaten those teams at home because actually it doesn't really mean much as far as the bigger picture is concerned.

Beating teams from the bottom half of the league is where you should be looking for answers. We won't finish 4th because we arsed up so many games against the shit teams.

Also, as has been indicated on another thread, some of the expected riches may have already been mortgaged to cover this season's operational costs. If that is so, I fear the worst and BK will soon be shopping for someone to manage on a shoestring!

(1) The Everton Board? Liars
(2) Bill Kenwright? Smug
(3) Mark Lawrenson? Shirts
(4) You’ll Never Walk Alone? Painful

You are 100% right over the semi-final (although I have no idea where you got that info from). Like the Anfield derby last year, that was unforgivable. Chelsea in the final has been discussed many times. In my opinion, they were just better than us in every department. Even if we'd had a full team, they still had one of the best sides in Europe. As it is we had Arteta Jagielka and Yakubu missing. If we had a full team and they'd had Terry, Lampard and Drogba missing then the result may have been different. It could also have been different had Osman scored that header.

I don't think that was a case of not playing for the win, it was just a case of being second best. Sometimes you're so inferior that there's nothing you can do about it. We aren't a good enough team to just win every game on positive attitude alone. Had Phil Neville not slipped and we held on for a draw and won on pens then suddenly Moyes is a genius.

Chelsea won the champions league this way, countless major trophies are actually won by drawing. I'm not condoning the approach but sometimes you just have to admit when certain teams are a lot better than you and give yourself a chance of trying to get the trophy – it didn't work for us that day.

The derbies that year (2009?) were probably the most frustrating of the lot. We tore them a new one at Goodison with even Aldo choking out on the radio that it was the worst performance at Goodison he'd seen in a while. I still can't believe we lost 2-0, they scored from their only chances, one being a deflection and Reina had the game of his life once they parked the bus. The away leg was a similar story that descended into a farce with the second red. It was not the case of not going for the win in either game, we just couldn't beat the devils curse over us that year.

Overall, I think you are right, Kevin, we have had a problem in big games – especially against Liverpool. I just don't think it runs as deep as you do perhaps. Every single loss in a big game can't be put down to us choking. Sometimes teams are just better than us, sometimes so much so that it looks we haven't even tried to win when in reality we were barely good enough to get the ball off them.

Let's see if we choke this season. The Emirates, Anfield, and White Hart Lane should be games where we come into them genuinely as equals (fitness permitting). With fair refs, and decent luck then there should be no excuse as to why we shouldn't play for the win (that of course does not guarantee we'll get it – especially with home advantage against us).

At Stamford Bridge, I genuinely believe they have a better team and squad than us. It doesn't mean we can't win there, and we should always try and win, but we could equally just get steamrollered. If this happens and all we could do is defend manfully for a hard-earned point then sometimes you have to accept that's all you were going to get on that day and not always put it down to 'choking' or a negative approach. But absolutely we need to see the end of that embarrassing away statistic – and I think we will.

1. Laurel and Hardy

2. Chocolate Kettle

3. Overpaid Gobshite

4. Aural Stomach Pump.

By the way Doddy, we can't afford a shoestring.

My next session with the psychiatrist begins in about 5 minutes and it would appear those pills he prescribed to calm me down are stronger than I thought.

You've all cheated.

Plus it was worth it :-)

The takeover rumours increase proportionately depending on the unrest from the punters.

There must be a mathematical formula takeover rumours to unrest — any mathematicians out there???

Next season will see a new manager with new ideas and some new players to replace those who Moyes will take and those who will be discarded. Ideally, like many others, I would like to see some of the fringe players (ignored by Moyes) be given a positive chance by the new manager and prove how wrong Moyes was.

If, by some remote chance, Moyes is still around after May, then look forward to another frustrating season starting in August with the usual suspects — except Fellaini.

Let's be honest, Ray, there seems to be interest whenever it's time to renew season tickets.

You can't believe a word anyone says, we probably don't even know who really owns the Chairman's shares!

When BKP >= average and RC <= t then TOR increases by (BKP²) * 2(t + BKP)

"He'll want assurances about what players get sold and the amount of money that he'll get to spend from those transfers."

Sorry if someone has covered this already, I haven't followed the whole thread.

If we believe Stubbs, then his statement assumes the following:

• There will be players sold;
• Those players have yet to be identified;
• Moyes does not expect like for like in terms of money in/out;
• The only money available for new players will be generated from sales;
• The new Sky money is not mentioned at all therefore can be assumed to be swallowed by the ever increasing and unexplained "other operating costs";
• Our Board of Directors is systematically and deliberately neglecting the Club for their own medium to long term benefit.

As for Moyes, I don't see the point of Stubbs saying anything. Wouldn't Kenwright have already discussed funds depending on every scenario? For example, we come 5th,:EL football, this amount; 6th, no European football, this amount, etc. Even after getting to the Cup Final, coming 5th and record season ticket sales in 2009, Moyes still had to sell to buy.

I may be missing something but Moyes has not had funds (unless he sold a player) for six years. Presuming the bank will require part of the increased TV revenue, Moyes will have what's left plus player sales. Unless he incredibly gets 4th then he knows what the board can and cannot offer.

Kenwright is many things... stupid is not one of them; he is fully aware of the barrage that will come his way if Moyes leaves. He has done everything to convince Moyes to stay yet he has still to sign a new contract.

As for monied clubs being able to march his ambition, would they really be put off by a small amount of compensation? Unlikely. I think he will leave; to sign a new contract without genuine funds guaranteed leaves him looking like a mercenary — or worse, having no ambition.

Only "good" thing about Moyes being gone in a couple months is now, finally, all the focus will be on our ownership. Not in here, but in the general media.

We're losing one of the few managers who actually mean anything, soccer or any other sport. I believe we have enough talent without him, Fella, and Baines (unless a sizable chunk of Fella's salary is given to Baines, so he'll stay). Should be easy enough to stay in the 85% don't get relegated.

But if we don't get in another like Moyes, the "Punches Above Their Weight" won't be heard because we'll wind up exactly where a club owned by this bunch would normally finish. Somewhere in the bottom half, just out of relegation.

A vast majority of Evertonians would consider his departure a disaster that would set us back ten years or more, though there is a lunatic fringe who hate him – every club has the same sort of never-satisfied malcontent ale house gang. If he does leave, he'll find the same sort of mentality at his next stop, wherever it is.

Make your own mind up: log on to Bluekipper and have a read of the columns by belters such as Micky Blue Eyes.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing/article-2296478/Tony-Bellew-says-Sylvain-Distin-Tony-Hibbert-make-fighter--it.html

Of course pompous arrogance is unheard of on ToffeeWeb.....

Steavey (911) - is the debate seriously at the level that because Moyes plays a certain player (who you don't like) then "he knows very little about football".

God only knows what the level of footballing knowledge is with the 14 Prem managers below Moyes then!

I'd love to see someone come in and have us playing lovely football and get us top four — not only for my personal enjoyment but just to show these idiots that David Moyes isn't some sort of shiny bollocked deity who is single-handedly keeping this club from the clutches of relegation, and that there is life after this guy goes!

Although Moyes had no real intention of leaving, it's as though both BK and himself have rescued the club and won the fans over without actually doing a thing!!! I wouldn't put it past the pair of them to devise such a scheme... and do you know what? — it would work on our soppy supporters as well.

Sorry, John. I was not being pompous or arrogant. For a so-called independent website, you never see a critical piece by the owners of the site, nor do they allow any contributors to have anything negative to say about the club. The way any piece is written, you would think it was O'Keeffe or Prentice that had wrote it.

In no way am I dismissing them as fans but to suggest all is right at the club is little more than delusional.

By the way, James (#917), read Paul's comment again; he is directly quoting Bluekipper — not his own view — yet another comment that I believe supports my own view of that site. At least with the editors of ToffeeWeb, you are allowed an opinion, whether they agree with it or not!

Lewis Barclay, I'm a massive Moyes critic, but even I'd settle for 6-7 points out of those four fixtures against the 9 you're calling for. However, I think victory at Anfield this year is probably more important than it has been in a long time. If Moyes is to go, love him or hate him, it wouldn't be right for him to spend 11 years at Everton not winning there.

Crikey I hope we don't sell Fellaini, what would I do with my wig?!

I take it they won't be sucking upto Big Nev no time soon considering his latest tweets have been seriously critical of Moyes and the board of late.
Bluekipper in my view is cringeworthy, it's good for kids under the age of twelve, but if you want the real Everton you won't find it with these lads because they are dictated too.
That's my view, it doesn't make them pissheads who don't matter as they do, they pay their money, but they have no balls at the same time.
By the way thanks Gareth and James Gareth is right about my post mate.

What has Big Nev been saying on twitter?

Remind you of anything

http://youtu.be/gb_qHP7VaZE

He knows his stuff too. At a fans event last year, I enabled a few difficult questions to be asked by some fans less than convinced. “Why don’t we leave a man up front when the other team has got a corner, it just means the ball comes straight back at us?” Quick as a flash, Roberto hit him with comparative stats from the last two seasons establishing that when we’d kept a man up front two years ago, we had the worst record in the league defending corners, which had been converted to the best record at defending corners following the decision to bring a man back. Point proven.

If you leave one player up he would be expected to claim a clearance ahead of the number of players the opposition leave back, and as clearances aren't pin point passes, what are the chances of doing that?

Unless you left something like three up you're not going to get the ball... is 7 enough to defend a corner?

Yes it is. Unless the other team is chasing the game they will leave back the same amount of players as we push forward, plus an extra one as cover.

What's wrong with the Moyes thousand yard stare and a bit of a strop?

A lot to learn has Mr Martinez — all well and good playing good footy, winning big games and being a man of vision but actively communicating with the fans is opening a whole new can of worms — whatever next... AGMs?

Martinez out.

How many chances to advance up field and relieve the pressure due to the constant return of the ball back 'into the mixer' were not taken advantage of?

How many of those could've been shots?

How many could've been goals?

All because of the amount of corners you were ' successfully defending'

You don't lose by successfully preventing goals; you don't win without attacking their goal.

The game is won up the other end. Play in their half... an oldie but a goldie.

If that's Martinez then I'm STILL in the MOB.

That's when you know you are fucked.

If God existed we would have been in the hands of Arabs and free of Bill and Moyes. Come on God, pull your finger out!!!

I know he's busy but we built the stadium around his gaff at St Lukes so he got a decent view and the place is virtually named in his honour GOoD IS ON PARK - poor show he's getting a rep as a part-timer lately.

Apparently, Apostolos Vellios has been mouthing off again – something he is supposed to be well known for (now) when pissed – and has told people that Steve McClaren has been seen at Finch Farm, and has had conversations with Kenwright later that evening.

I wouldnt normally post this sort of scary-rumour stuff, but I have found this source has a nose for smoke in the past, and apparently there's others who have heard the same story in the last few days...

Moyes In, well... until June.

Maybe he'll come onto the coaching side. May as well get some Man Utd rejects on the coaching staff too.

I shinsheeerly hope you are taking the pish

Because, due to the Redshite having us kicked out of Europe and the millions in revenue lost, we are not one of the big four. But, without DM, we wouldn't be in the Prem.

I dread Everton without Moyes so let's get behind him; take our bitterness out on the RedShite who spend big and are below us, where they belong.