David Moyes — Manager of the Month

My thoughts exactly!!!!

Now remain unbeaten in April and earn Manager of the Month.

You're absolutely right Vince and might I say this has more than 'got up my nose', it has completely and utterly devastated me.

It is not an exaggeration to suggest that for one fleeting moment I actually thought about ending it all (although on reflection, I don't think it's possible to make a lethal cocktail from a swig of Night Nurse, an Alka-Seltzer and three Junior Disprin)

The harsh truth is, as someone who long ago came to the conclusion that a change of manager would be good for Everton and for Moyes himself, this award means I will have to completely reassess how I make decisions.

It might not seem like a big thing to some, but it is NOT an easy thing to look in the mirror and admit "I was wrong and a panel of some fellers assembled by the PL sponsors were right".

I should add that it is also a blow to find not only am I in the MOB and the Moyes Haters but also it would (now) appear, in the AMB - I'll be run off my feet!

I guess he can add that to his three LMA awards whilst applying for the Real Madrid post!

(Also the award obviously does not include the FA Cup!)

Stupid award, how can a manager who got tonked by a team fighting relegation get this award? The only "big" win there was the Citteh game.

As already said, Kiss of Death for the Spuds game now.

WIGAN!!!

Still hurts now just thinking of the missed opportunity and the piss poor performance of the team and manager that day IN MARCH.

Add that to his piss poor attitude toward the club regarding his future and it makes it extra sour.

But, I guess we should be lucky to have a manager with three LMAs and 10 Manager of the month awards.

MOB, AMB, etc etc etc.

3 home wins, only 1 of them exceptional performances, and we still had our horrible loss of Wigan in that month. Saying that, winning whilst not playing well is a good thing, Utd have been doing it for years.

Saying that if it gives us confidence for our tough run in next month, then I'm all for it.

But yeah, we are obviously going to get the conspiracy theorists in, "Kenshite rigged the awards" etc

Maybe he gives the judges tickets to west end plays? Heard that Mormen was sold out for two years, maybe gave them tickets for that.

Obviously all of the above. Just look at the Man. City game. 1 - 0 up with 10 men and his shit, piss poo,r defensive, non attacking tactics mean we beat the Champions 2 - 0. Some fucking people!

I've no doubt that there are few managers in the game who could have achieved more. The stadium is the problem...end of.

I also look at recent recent club acquisitions and thank god that we have an owner in place who just hasn't handed over the keys to the next Carson yung or the like. BK is not perfect but he's genuinely got the clubs interests at heart.

Regard to Jenny.

We'll probably never know if it IS his tactic but I think that may get a few (at least of the more open minded) people on here thinking.

Moyes - Yes.

Kenright and them - NO!

But the MOTM awards don't really pointer to anything as McDermott won in January but got sacked afterwards didn't he?

This doesn't change my views about him but I'll let him off this time.

"This doesn't change my views about him but I'll let him off this time."

Thank goodness for that, mate, otherwise how would David have slept tonight?

Seriously, there are clearly people beyond the Moyes fans on here who rate the guy.

Well done, Mr Moyes, I would hope that this recognition affords him a bit of respect on here.

If no one is going to write sensible articles then our editor should edit them out because they are infantile and unfit to be submitted by a real evertonian.

Cheers Ian # 438 at least you can spell and do not have to use four letter expletives in place of adjectives.

Pound for pound Moyes is manager of the season never mind the month.

I am quite fed up of your sarcasm that you direct towards those fans that are loyal to a great Everton manager. During his time at Everton, Davie has transformed the fortunes of the club and we regularly finish 6th and sometimes 7th, we even finished 4th on one occasion. The fact that he has won numerous Manager of the Month awards and is held in high regard by MotD pundits should fill us with confidence for the future. I think the £3M he is paid a year is peanuts as Davie and only Davie can keep us in the Premier League; to think anyone else can do this is madness.

He is a man of great principle and to me it seems perfectly reasonable to expect fans to pay for next year's season ticket in April whilst the great man ponders whether he can take us any further or whether it might take another million pounds a year to give him the vision to help us win a trophy, I don’t know what people expect of him. I am sick of these MOB posters on here and I am calling on all right thinking people such as Richard Dodd and Nick Entwistle to form a Davie Is Magic Society or DIMS for short to counter this negativity which is the real reason why we haven’t won anything during his wonderful 11 years.

And please beware of me not allowing you to post your opinion and drowning your voice out with a very loud white noise (or something).

Spent a good part of the day in Freshfield I think it might have affected me. I am beginning to think that to be a GOOD Evertonian these days you must show not show any dissent from the party line. I await my dressing down from Mr.Entwistle.

"I am beginning to think that to be a GOOD Evertonian these days you must show not show any dissent from the party line.."

Quite an irony, that, considering the amount of semi-literate, ill-considered criticism, complete with little funnies, that emanates from the usual cabal of like-minds whenever anybody stands up for Mr Moyes.

Some people are so deranged with hatred for him that they are not prepared to consider the constraints under which he has had to work during his entire period with us.

The other lot spent £20 million in one transfer window; in five years Moyes has had £0.00 to spend that he hasn't found for himself. And we're still above them in the league. THAT is his achievement.

If you can't appreciate that, then there's no hope for you.

The price is no ambition and protection of Kenwright if you can't appreciate that ....

Whatever side of the fence people are on they must admit that nobody can know whether another manager would have done better or worse than David Moyes and that nobody can know how a future manager will do.

I really don't see how someone can think that people who criticise David Moyes are fueled by hatred, because that is an extreme view of those who question some areas of David Moyes management.

Being semi-literate myself I am not sure what is meant by the term did you mean it in a social science setting i.e. hardly able to read or write or able to read but not to write or did you mean it as 1. Having achieved an elementary level of ability in reading and writing. or 2. Having limited knowledge or understanding, especially of a technical subject.

Personally I think the majority of postings on this particular site are of a pretty high-standard and any shortcomings in grammar are compensated for by the diligence of the editorial team.

Nobody is keener than I am to see the back of Kenwright, who has been an unalloyed disaster for the club. He struck gold when he appointed Moyes.

Your second sentence encapsulates the confused thinking amongst the Moyes-haters. One the one hand, he's rubbish. On the other hand, he's doing well enough to "protect Kenwright". Which is it?

I like to think that we're all Evertonians on here, people who want the best for the club. Some of the negative posts regarding Moyes seriously worry me: are Evertonians as clued-up about football as they think? I don't know, anymore.

As regards "small mercies", well, in a way you are right. As long as Kenwright is in that boardroom there will be a wide gap between aspiration and expectation.

I disagree profoundly with almost everything in your post. In particular, I take issue with your line on posters' respect for David Moyes as a man. His integrity has been repeatedly called into question in respect of his relationship with Bill Kenwright.

But, hey, it's all about opinions.

Then there is Kenwright's aim - keep us in the prem till he gets his payday - Moyes is simply doing the latter alluding that the former is aspirational rather than an expectation is the top and bottom of the divide.

I'll never believe Kenwright and Moyes way is the right way for EFC.

Perhaps I should organise an open house for all malcontents to make their watching of Everton seem a much more enjoyable experience. Or I could get the Club to sponsor Free Abbot for all Evertonians!

Whilst probably being knocked out of the cups by smaller teams than ourselves.

Whilst BK and his chums continue just as they have done for the last few years.

I.e. pretty much no chance from the current situation - apart from you'll be another 5 years older and our fan base will continue to decline as we pick up fewer new fans.

Or is it that I'm deluded somehow and should thank the lord above every day for delivering BK and Davey to us?

I agree completely that Moyes has gone into the away games versus the likes of Liverpool too negatively. You are spot on there.

Your second paragraph made no sense whatsoever, sorry. Presumably the fault is mine.

I have no idea what will happen if Moyes leaves but the one certainty is that nothing will change regarding the ownership of the club and how it is run. I'm afraid that the bottom line regarding performance and achievement in the Premier League is that money counts and as we all keep saying we haven't got any.

Similarly, to those who argue that Moyes protects and is a buffer for Kenwright, and who suggest that the removal of Moyes will expose Kenwright, I"m unclear about what this would actually achieve. Kenwright would still be chairman and I have seen nothing to indicate that he intends to walk away from the club any time soon. The change of manager in such circumstances then would change nothing in the way of Finances, Club Strategy, marketing etc – all the things we berate and all the areas that could help to propel the club forward.

I really would like to see EFC challenging for league titles again but there are some realities here that simply mean it isn't going to happen anytime soon.

Ultimately it comes down to your point of view. Personally, I believe that Moyes has been an excellent manager for us. (Let's just think about the 90s and the late 70s/early 80s for a second.) I hope that he continues with us.

"Carl - would you be happy to finish 7th..."

No, I would not be happy with that. I ASPIRE to the Premier League title. I EXPECT to finish seventh or thereabouts.

Until there is a change in the boardroom, nothing is going to improve.

We haven't surrendered at every away game against these four teams. The disallowed goal that was onside against Chelsea in the last minute would have been a winner. If Vaughan had scored or Rosicky not got the world's luckiest deflection off Lucas Neill then we would have won at the Emirates as well. If Kuyt had not dived under Howard's admittedly stupid tackle then we would have won at Anfield, and they're just the examples off te top of my head. I don't like that the stat exists but its not irrefutable proof of Moyes bottling big away games because he's won in good style at the Etihad and WHL. For loads of teams in this league we'll make up some sort of uncomfortable away stat (Sunderland, Fulham). After a while if you look hard enough you can spin whatever stat you want in premier league history.

We've lost once at home this year (that even then we didn't deserve), that's the sort of home form that top teams have. Some seasons Man U and Chelsea have gone unbeaten at home, one year Arsenal went unbeaten against everyone! It's annoying when you look around and see a team like SUnderland win 3-0 at the Bridge but Steve Bruce isn't suddenly Guardiola, he was an abdolutely rubbish defensive manager, it was just a freak result. If we'd had one in the past it wouldn't make these games every year any easier, most of the time you will lose. Moyes has done ok to get a large number of draws out of these top sides some of which have been excellent results and as listed above he's been unlucky on a few occassions, other times we've just been pummelled by largely superior teams. Yes a few times At Anfield in recent seasons he may have bottled it but just because this quirky stat exists does not mean we surrender every time we play a top 4 side away. Did Old Trafford last year look like a surrender?

If you agree then why support a decade of Moyes who contributes to making it so?

His persistent pronouncements downplaying expectation has become the acceptable face of Kenwright and the board he is part of the problem people have invested so much in his myth they can't bring themselves to admit it.

Leeds, Wigan and a huge opportunity missed at Goodison against a completely cocked up Liverpool side represent a typical Moyes season - does it justify the 6th/7th? .... depends on your view of Everton as a club.

Get 4th and we're talking, otherwise it's just an every dog has it's day event (and after 11 years I should bloody thing so)

"If you agree then why support a decade of Moyes who contributes to making it so?"

For the 758th time - he has had no transfer budget worth the name.

Liverpool recently spent £20 million in one transfer window; in five years Moyes has had nothing to spend that he hasn't found for himself. Apart from a few measly shekels from the Sky money and gate receipts that the board have "generated", Moyes has been shamefully starved of funds.

On another note I'm sorry but it wasn't a huge opportunity to beat a cocked up Liverpool side at Goodison. They had their full team out we had a midfield of Gueye, Osman, Neville, Naismith behind a half fit Fellaini for most of the game. We sitll gave them the run around and had it not been for our stupid CBs having thei rbrain farts at the beginning and end of every match we owuld have comfortably won. We destroyed them in the first half and then they parked th ebus for the second. It was a decent performance with half a team missing and if Rodger shadn't of played for a draw form half itme we would have won. Imagine the opposite, Moyes goes to Anfield with a full team against a Liverpool missing most of their big stars, we then go 2 up and injure their remianing best player, only to throw the two goal lead away, Moyes then throws on five defenders and we defend for forty five minutes. He'd be getting ripped fo rhtat and rightly so. there's been many bad derby perofrmances of late but Distin and Jagielka aside that was not one of them.

If we had Bale we would be definitely top four challengers...all things considered our meagre squad more than punch their weight and are a match for anyone when at full strength.

Says the man who spent years defending the present owners (who are lacking in 'business acumen') and berating others because of their 'negativity'.

And not forgetting that Mirallas, who had fucking roasted their full-back, was kicked out of the game by that twat, Suarez.

Um..Not quite sure how you get that from me pointing out you spent years (loudly and often sanctimoniously) admonishing those who criticised the present regime, yet now have a go at them.

Completely legitimate to point this out and tbh, your response looks like a desperate attempt to deflect.

As to WHY it is legitimate to point out your flip-flop?

Because you argue with the same gusto and self-righteousness NOW and expect to be taken seriously.

Can you see the flaw in this?

Will you be posting in a couple of years informing us Moyes is hopeless?

The reason we have no trouble with City and do with the old sky 4 is all mental.

City; deepdown they know City are nomarks who got lucky cashwise, hence we sort them out more often than not, same up to a point for Spurs.

The other 4; they have a history of being successful hence the bottling

QED

Your post contains an element of truth, no question. But it does not rebut my basic contention that Moyes has never really been backed consistently in the transfer market.

The likes of the Sky 6 can afford to make expensive mistakes; we cannot. It also explains why Moyes often (sic) recruits players who can play different positions. (Incidentally, I would say that Chelsea is another nothing club who dropped the lottery.)

What about Southampton's manager? They beat the RS and Chelski in March — something Moyes could never emulate... just wait and see.

Thanks very much, Eugene.

Psychological fact: trauma can induce intense and longish bouts of self-questioning. This newer softer Dodd is more palatable than last year's model – thanks Elvis – but remains capable of spouting status quo gibberish.

Spice of life and all that, I prefer Freshfield's finest to be on rather than off the boards.