Coming month could see David Moyes's doubters silenced

"If that happens (Everton winning all these big games away from home) I'll show me arse in Lewis's window."

I think we have more chance of seeing Lord Lucan rolling into town on the back of Shergar to bank roll a take over of our once great club than us beating Spurs, Arsenal, the Shite and Chelsea all away from home.

Trying to make out it disproves 11 years of evidence is a stretch even for a club hack like you.

P W D L F A

Spurs 10 3 1 6 13 20
Chelsea 10 0 6 4 8 17
Arsenal 10 0 2 8 7 23
Liverpool 9 0 4 5 5 13

5 goals scored at Anfield. I have been silenced.

How DOES he continue to unearth these amazing exclusives?

Seriously, who can forget stories like..

"'Blues look to improve' says Jags"

Or - "Moyes Happy With Decent Start To Season"

Or - "'Europe still possible' says someone or other stating the fucking obvious".

He says Moyes has a chance to 'silence the doubters'?

I'll ask the four Bill Hicks questions.

1) Yeah?
2) And?
3) So?
4) What?

Wish he would and I genuinely hope he does.

Ffs - as if the doubters (like me) want anything other than for us to win all of our remaining games (no he DOESN'T say that's what we want, but remember he got his arsed kicked here and on the Echo site and we KNOW what side he's on).

The headline says "..could see David Moyes's doubters silenced".

True it could, but so what - if you apply 'could' to any story on ANY sport in any country in the world, you simply have a license to print space-filling shite.

"Liverpool FC could move to Kirkby"

"Dallas Cowboys could have time-outs to pray"

"John Conteh could return to ring in Seniors boxing show"

All total bollocks BUT.......could happen.

And if he fails as he has done for 11 previous seasons and so the form books tell us he will again, then what will you write? The same shit you have been writing when he has failed the last 11 years?

Stop questioning the FANS for their doubt when previous seasons have proven that doubt is well founded and start questioning the reasons for the uderperformance that has raised the doubt, the manager, the players and the board.

Stop being a club lackey and start being that journalist you aspired to be when you started out all those years ago.

THE FAILINGS OF EVERTON ARE NOT DUE TO THE FANS BELIEF IN THE CLUB.

Warped, I call it!

Do you think Moyes has learned enough to win at least 1 away game against those above us? in 11 years of trying?

But saying that I think Spurs will be no problem.

Then we will witness an article in the Echo what a great season we have had, looking back on all the "great moments."

In fact, didn't the club release a DVD when we finished 7th once?

This naysayer sincerly hopes to be proved wrong, as I wished to be proved wrong by Moyes lifting an F.A. Cup. There is nothing I want more than trips abroad in the C.L. and great European nights at Goodison.

David, if we do come close to qualifying for Europe, I hope the Echo has the plums to question the Board instead of loyal supporters, after the shambles that was the January transfer window!!

I respond to very few of your posts, seeing you for the most part as a harmless but misguided fool.

However your assertion that there are Evertonians who want to see Everton lose – "long to be right about losing games" – is insulting in the extreme.

In fact I honestly can't think of a bigger insult.

I don't give a shite if this pulled – you're a fucking idiot.

Stick to your scripts because they're genuinely cool... but everything else now is about as interesting as watching Miranda.

What I HAVEN'T heard before, is myself (albeit indirectly) referred to as someone who would like to see Everton lose - that I don't forgive.

I want Moyes to win EVERY game because he is our manager not because he`s Moyes.

You don't nark or piss people off. Its just all becoming white-noise - tiresome. You've made yourself into a caricature.

Yes you did.

You stated there are Evertonians who ""long to be right about losing games" - if that doesn't mean they'd be glad to see us lose, what DOES it mean?

I personally think we're going to fall short of 4th, but I don't solely blame Moyes and I honestly struggle to see how any one can have credibility in doing so.

We started like an express train and have played some of the best attacking football I've seen in the last 20 years - so far away from the knock it long, nick one and keep it tight mentality that most on here seem to hate (but which actually did win us a Champion's League qualifying spot and kept us challenging for Europe for the past 8 years).

The reasons we'll fall short are thus:
i) Terrible referee-ing decisions - we have quite literally been robbed of 10-12 points this season through some shocking decisions (and that includes the odd one or two that's gone our way).
ii) Bad luck with injuries - Gibson and Mirallas (two players who are definite first teamers) have both been out for sustained periods and we've missed them.
iii) Jelavic's inexplicable collapse in form - I know people will and do blame Moyes, but really our first choice striker has been poor this season (outperformed repeatedly by Anichebe!!!) and been an absolute shadow of his first season self
iv) Paper thin squad and lack of investment in January - We all knew that this transfer window was vital to our success, when our paper thin squad (which has used the least players of any team in the PL) desperately needed to be bolstered with one or two decent additions. If anyone her genuinely believes that's not also what Moyes thought/wanted then they want their bloody heads seeing to. In the end he was let down as usual by a combination of the board's ineptness and our weak financial position (related to the former).
v) The players + their lack of 'winning' experience - obviously Moyes has impact on tactics and morale, but ultimately it's the people on the pitch that make the decisive actions. If they're just not up for it, or just not good enough, or just don't ultimately believe then it doesn't matter if you're Mourinho or Barry Fry, you're going to struggle to win consistently. Whilst we do have some 'winners' in the squad (Neville and Howard both tasted success at the top level), the vast majority of our team just haven't experienced the big victories and ultimately probably lack that little extra bit of belief that makes all the difference. It's the reason why Utd are always there or there abouts, regardless of how poorly they seem to play or how average their side appears and it's why the same old teams often end up dominating.

Obviously Moyes has made mistakes throughout the season and many of them. The presence of Naismith after the first few games continues to mystefy as does playing Heitinga or Neville in midfield and leaving Oviedo on the bench. I also feel a little disappointed with the lack of time for some of the youth players, I'm not as big a cheerleader for Barkley as others (he doesn't have the head for the premier league yet) but more time for Vellios and McAlney would seem a sensible move with Jelly stinking out the place.
Yes he's made mistakes, but so has every other manager - even Ferguson gets it wrong sometimes, Mancini and Wenger frequently have been totally out-thought/played on many occasions (the former by Moyes just a couple of weeks back.
Ultimately I think David Moyes is one of the best managers we've had in my lifetime, not up there with Howard Kendall's first outing of course, but certainly with his subsequent returns or the visits of Mike Walker, Walter Smith and even Joe Royle (FA Cup win was great, but the football style wasn't much fun to watch and if we played that game 10 times we wouldn't win it again). He's delivered some genuine stability, annual expectation, a few memorable European nights and a little bit of pride back to a club with a wealth of history but a marked lack of wealth in a league that's dominated by big spenders.

If we get champions league or a new investor I think he'll stay, but the chances of either are frankly minimal and I wouldn't blame him for leaving - he's been lied to as much as anyone else and wants to see if he can take the next step in his own career. I'm not saying he can't be replaced either and I'll get behind whoever's in the hot seat, but I remain to be convinced that the likes of Lennon, Martinez or O'Neill (or whatever other 2nd/3rd tier coaching name is thrown into the mix) would come close to what DM has achieved.

There is a scene in The Simpsons where Lisa is conducting experiments on Bart and a hamster and she puts electrodes in a bun, the hamster gets a shock and leaves the treat alone but Bart keeps going back in the foolish belief that he wont get electrocuted. That is what Everton are like under Moyes in big away games.

It is literally a global game now, with the P.L. generally offering the highest wages. Comparing even the last 5 years onwards with previous managerial reigns hold no water for me. We don't know how these past managers would have fared in a modern P.L. with £50-75k a week players on their payroll.

All modern sports have evolved into ultra-professionalism. I was at a dinner a few months ago listening to Paul Merson, some of the stories were fucking hysterical, but there is no way him & his fellow pro's would have even got past the door these days.

Allow?

Please explain HOW anyone is not 'allowed'.

You think there are posts I can prevent?

What's funny is your many (many many many) ill-informed posts are proof this is NOT the case.

Fact: I have no more or less right to post than anyone else.

It's revealing how you see it though.

There's no actual noise and nobody (unless they're barred) is not allowed to post.

But for you it's..

"As you see fit is not a view you allow others" and "not everything is about you" and "Its just all becoming white-noise".

A visit to the trick-cyclist might be not too far down the line.

Copy and pasting every second sentence of everyone's posts and rephrasing their inference is... well, I was going to say it hardly furthers anything, but thought-police again comes to mind.

Add some standard youtube message board mentality, and complete lack of self awareness, and that makes you about as beneficial as Zippy having completed state education.

Sorry, I just get a kick out of "Exclusive" thing.

Already injury-ravaged, both before and during the game, they lost their talismanic pivotal one-man team that is Gareth Bale. All of a sudden, Sunday's game took on a whole new outlook.

The games that he missed against us he missed at Goodison; we went on to win, in others we were lucky in that their manager played him out of position. I had visions of him running riot through our midfield; renewed optimism indeed.
If we can beat them, then go on to beat QPR, even allowing for losing at Arsenal who's fans must be thinking similar, then we go on and beat Sunderland, we could well be above them.

Spurs have no game next week then, after that, they are away to City. If they lose that, we could be 2 points clear... more if we get anything at Arsenal.

Now, if only our leader could relate this to his tired threadbare already safe squad of players, who knows???

Arguably your not doing your job as an evertonian being all hippy about it colluding in the comfy, snuggly ignore what's wrong just think positive baloney.

Even Prenno's piece smacks of "we'll show ya!!!" - well show us then - we've been waiting long enough get 4th, beat the RS it's in your own hands.

Just for a change fucking do it.

You post in ToffeeWeb, you get it in the neck like the rest of us. Nothing more.

Nick doesn't have a gang for Gareth to join. If such a gang did exist, likely they'd be spending their time figuring how to crack safes, not attack a stranger on a discussion board.

People who disagree with you aren't against you. They just disagree. If you didn't expect a fair amount of disagreement to be expressed scathingly, whyever did you come to this site.

Calm down.

Just calm down.

What's in Bill's? The missing £24m or just his lunch?

Imho, Moyes has done well considering the financial restraints imposed by the hopeless buffoons running the asylum at present... Lack of investment, lack of commercial acumen, lack of forward planning – especially in terms of our stadium and corporate revenue streams.

If he does leave, the likes of Martinez et al will do no better with equivalent terms. Just please god not Neil Lennon.

I am so used to it now that I have become numb to it all. I cannot even be bothered to muster up the energy to argue with Kopites when they want to engage in a bit of banter. There's no point as I know what will happen; so do they. I used to argue untill I was Blue in the face defending Everton. Moyes has taken the joy of it away as he is a laughing stock across the park.

There will be no victory at either Anfield, Chelsea or Arsenal. If you think I am wrong, go and put some money on us to get the wins.... I bet you don't.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2304392/Toby-Alderweireld-wanted-Liverpool-Everton.html

This needs to be the new photo on the live forum.

Ninetieth Minute - 66 , always a good time to score the winner, if we can do it in the next 8 games brilliant.

Swing Bill - 66, not a comment on our beloved leaders private life, or a request from some of our more extreme supporters.

Cappa Bleu - 11 It's the only one I could find with Blue in its name.

Roberto Goldback - 33, a possible Christian name of our next manager and his surname is the answer he'll get from bill when he asks for funds. "Sorry Roberto - but I had to give the Goldback"

Join Together - 16, What all Evertonians should do in the last 8 games of the season and hopefully have a fantastic party in the middle of May.

Big Fella Thanks & Lost Glory must be serious contenders for Evertonians.

Boosting the gelt, then racing thru narrow streets you must be hemmed in on, but magically the police can't catch you.

Hot chicks (Eva Mendes, Halle Berry should do) throwing themselves at you, even though you're uglier than sin (Uglier than Caine, anyway, which takes some doing. Although I'm sure you are).

And, as a bonus, saving Ruane from his stalker Edwards (360).

Then the scene closing with you and Eva on an unnamed, perfect beach lifting glasses towards Gareth and Halle just offshore on a catamaran heading out to their recently bought yacht; the catarmaran being driven by the police chief you 2 have just purchased.

Does that work?

You know something of Nick I don't. Let you 2 hash it out.

Was it mentioning Eva or Halle instead of yourself prompted that response?

Are you the police chief? You expected more cash?

I prefer the original Italian Job, but I'd probably end up with Benny Hill's large ladies.

Entwistle V Eugene. Hmmmmmm. Tough one to call. Erm, no, really. I'm old enough to remember the Argie War and Nick here is playing the role of the original Argie was it miners or diggers who arrived one day to dig shit at that piece of rock to the north of the Falklands/Malvinas.

Your choice, of course.

(And yes I know, I contributed nothing to the subject either!)

I want Everton to win,

No you don't!

Yes I do!

Are you calling me a liar?

Yes..... er no...

Yes you are.

No I'm not you idiot.

Are you calling me an idiot?

Yes!!

Fuck you.

Fuck you too.

I'll report you to the thought police.

I am the thought police!!

Sorry.... I think you're great and I like all your friends to(!)

Even if they post under different names?

Oh - FFS what a giggle this thread has turned out to be...........

Anyway I appreciate our away record against the Sky4 is shite but it does piss me off how the Citteh results are excluded. They are the champions FFS and we have an incredible record against them.

What do they say? Lies, damn lies and statistics?