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Moyes approaching a crossroads
Self-belief will be crucial, says Dion Fanning
In this interesting piece we missed last week, Irish Independent journalist Dion Fanning offers more perspective on the methods and management style of David Moyes from the likes of ex-players like Kevin Kilbane as Everton's manager prepares for a big decision over his future.In particular, Kilbane offers some insight into how Moyes has changed over the years without ever losing his intensity or attention to fitness and preparation.
Mr Fanning concludes by acknowledging the options open to the 50 year-old Scot when his Goodison contract expires this summer:
This season, David Moyes has demonstrated that he has a group who understand his methods. The regret may be that they haven't really challenged for a Champions League place, and Moyes is not alone in wondering at the clubs' relevance in 2013. Everton's ability to be relevant again will be a factor as Moyes considers his future in the summer when his contract ends.Thanks to Gerry O'Riordan for spotting this article.Moyes could decide to stay at Everton and make another attempt to win a trophy or he might look to work abroad as he talks fondly of the Bundesliga. The clubs in England that could tempt him may not be hiring this summer. Others feel he might take a year off, which would make him the best-placed candidate when a big job becomes available. "He could manage at any club in the world and make a success of it," O'Hanlon says.
Those who know him best compare him to Alex Ferguson. They have a shared background, a shared belief in hard work and a desire to win. "Ferguson, Wenger, people like that are the worst losers in the world," O'Hanlon says.
But there have been bad losers who have failed at management because they fell out with everyone every time they lost. Moyes knows when to fight and when to fight another day. Like Ferguson, he can also be pragmatic. He is also thorough and his organisation of training sessions is obsessive.
Yet this summer will be another challenge as he decides where to go. "He has an inner self-belief and he's never satisfied," O'Hanlon says. Moyes will have to decide how his ambitions can be realised. "He never had one moment's self-doubt," O'Hanlon adds. This summer, David Moyes will need that certainty.
Quotes or other material sourced from The Irish Independent
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3 Posted 07/05/2013 at 18:22:15
Have I been asleep for the last 11 years or what? FFS !!!
4 Posted 07/05/2013 at 19:27:21
5 Posted 07/05/2013 at 19:33:28
He lost the plot ages ago, scrub that, he never had one.
6 Posted 07/05/2013 at 19:37:26
Just in case anyone missed that bit.....
7 Posted 07/05/2013 at 19:45:10
8 Posted 07/05/2013 at 19:57:17
As the kopites kindly reminded us on Sunday, we haven't won a trophy in 18 years, Moyes has been in charge for 2/3 of that time. It's time to go.
9 Posted 07/05/2013 at 20:00:35
Even then if he's clearly gone wrong, he'll wait at least 70 minutes before changing direction !
10 Posted 07/05/2013 at 20:08:52
Surely there is no reason for so many people to speak so overwhelmingly positive about him, other than he really is top quality. There is a very good reason that you are in the minority. In my opinion you judge him irrationally. Quite frankly I fear any future Everton manager will fail in your eyes because you expect too much.
Like you, I hope to one day see Everton challenge for honours, but unlike you, I don't believe we have a God given right to be challenging. We have to wait in line with a whole host of other clubs for our very own sugar Daddy and until that day comes it isn't settling for 6th/7th place it's being proud of the over-achievement.
11 Posted 07/05/2013 at 20:23:08
Well as I know him my natural modesty precludes me from answering that question
12 Posted 07/05/2013 at 20:30:50
13 Posted 07/05/2013 at 20:33:35
14 Posted 07/05/2013 at 20:36:19
15 Posted 07/05/2013 at 20:37:31
ToffeeWeb should have a poll on whether or not Evertonians want Moyes to renew his contract.
16 Posted 07/05/2013 at 20:35:48
17 Posted 07/05/2013 at 20:47:41
If its propaganda? Why don't you name us all the successful clubs with a similar budget to ours? its not just the PL either, money determines who is successful in all the top leagues in Europe. Why don't you give us some facts to back up your arguments for once!?
18 Posted 07/05/2013 at 20:47:10
We did that after the Wigan game Brendan. Needless to say those who voted no changed their minds after wins against City and Reading. We should have the poll, after the Chelsea match, and then maybe Lyndon and Michael could publish the results.
19 Posted 07/05/2013 at 20:45:52
What I do know is season upon season there is a pattern to Moyes limitations, personally I'd be very happy to try someone else to solve the shit - 7th or not!
20 Posted 07/05/2013 at 20:51:16
Did you change your mind?
21 Posted 07/05/2013 at 20:51:13
22 Posted 07/05/2013 at 20:49:19
It is propaganda mate. He is still here, why? Not because of loyalty or anything like that, it is because NOBODY WANTS HIM!
Spuds didn't want him as they thought he was TOO defensive. He hasn't gone yet as no-one wants a bottling, stupid, idiotic moron that has a trophy record of ZILCH.
No matter how much the media hype him up, he will never be good enough for ANY other club. This man will be entirely forgotten in 10 years.
23 Posted 07/05/2013 at 20:57:18
Did you change your mind?"
No.
24 Posted 07/05/2013 at 20:59:41
Don't you think equally influential on the vote was indeed the Wigan game, and though people didn't change their mind - unless they reset their cookies or something - why is it the City and Reading game distorted the 'real' opinion?
You can't tell us that you've a right expressing your opinion on one thread, and dismiss 6000 ToffeeWebber's opinions on another.
25 Posted 07/05/2013 at 20:58:31
So how come "those who voted no changed their minds after wins" but by your own admission this wasn't true of you?
26 Posted 07/05/2013 at 21:02:52
I just thought that we could have an end of season poll to compare to the Wigan one, just to see if there had been a change of opinion since then.
27 Posted 07/05/2013 at 21:05:20
28 Posted 07/05/2013 at 21:09:09
You can't tell me that from nearly 40/60 in the no camp, then a week later it is 55/45 in the Yes camp, it seems logical and common sense to say that there was a change of mind by some?
29 Posted 07/05/2013 at 21:10:41
30 Posted 07/05/2013 at 20:59:18
Moyes is the only manager to consistently put a credible challenge to break the posh boys cartel, to stick a ginger digit through the money ceiling. No fucker comes near him in this regard. Moyes's supporters know his weaknesses but they see the bigger picture. It's a shitty dirty top-heavy reality where teams can have Mata, Walcott, Sturridge, Lampard, Defoe, Rooney, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Silva and Tevez on the bench.
31 Posted 07/05/2013 at 21:13:28
But you couldn't change your vote Ross. Once you voted, that was it,
32 Posted 07/05/2013 at 20:57:38
That is a ridiculous argument. What has one single player called Rooney got to do with anything I said? Do you really think Rooney could of made us successful without having quality players around him? Rooney doesn't strike me as the type of guy who would of been satisfied getting paid 60k a week playing for his boyhood team anyway. Remember Moyes didn't get shit loads of money to spend after Rooney was sold to Man Utd.
My advice to you is, stick to talking the complete bollocks! you talked, when talking about playing Anichebe in CM,that made more sense and thats saying something!
33 Posted 07/05/2013 at 21:11:25
Only "nearly a third" wanting Moyes to go on a ToffeeWeb poll...bit like the Tories polling remarkably well in Scotland.
34 Posted 07/05/2013 at 21:17:16
35 Posted 07/05/2013 at 21:18:26
36 Posted 07/05/2013 at 21:14:40
Or does he just do the same 7th/9th thing year on year rising and falling depending on what Spurs and Liverpool are doing.
Is it not possible that his renowned failures outside of that "achievement" could be improved?
37 Posted 07/05/2013 at 21:20:20
Yes, but look at the thrills. Isn't that what we want?! Well, er...
38 Posted 07/05/2013 at 21:20:58
39 Posted 07/05/2013 at 21:21:12
One loss next season and it 10th/13th...
40 Posted 07/05/2013 at 21:19:40
So logic and common sense don't apply to you...
41 Posted 07/05/2013 at 21:21:37
All things are possible. But probable? Unlikely that DM can do better. And unlikely we could attract a class of manager who could do better season in and season out with the same resources.
42 Posted 07/05/2013 at 21:22:16
43 Posted 07/05/2013 at 21:28:20
So logic and common sense don't apply to you"
Yes
44 Posted 07/05/2013 at 21:21:15
If I say Fergie and Wenger are Moyes only peers based solely on tenure and conclude he isn't fit to clean their boots without considering other factors is that fair?
Have some water.
45 Posted 07/05/2013 at 21:31:03
46 Posted 07/05/2013 at 21:33:42
47 Posted 07/05/2013 at 21:38:03
Fingers in ears shouting "lalalalalala... can't hear you" at mention of the old sky4, the cups and opportunities like CL this year.
As I said previously - Moyes FC.
People praying for Wigan's demise - hilarious.
48 Posted 07/05/2013 at 21:39:54
49 Posted 07/05/2013 at 21:42:01
50 Posted 07/05/2013 at 21:43:13
51 Posted 07/05/2013 at 22:10:13
Apart from Andy van der Meyde I can't recall anyone within football having a bad word to say about Moyes. He is rated by everybody in the game. I agree with you that some of the debate around Moyes's record lacks balance but, hey, ir's all opinions.
52 Posted 07/05/2013 at 22:18:34
Personally I would like to see Wigan survive; I wouldn't wish relegation on any side (except one, of course). But I have a question for you: if Wigan are relegated will you want Martinez at Goodison next season?
53 Posted 07/05/2013 at 22:25:52
54 Posted 07/05/2013 at 22:27:58
Barry, he's facing relegation - that's a long-winded way of saying zero in the league.
55 Posted 07/05/2013 at 22:28:33
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/10042798/Sir-Alex-Ferguson-considering-retiring-as-Manchester-United-manager-before-end-of-the-week.html
56 Posted 07/05/2013 at 22:29:51
57 Posted 07/05/2013 at 22:29:59
C'mon lad get up to speed.
58 Posted 07/05/2013 at 22:33:24
59 Posted 07/05/2013 at 22:28:36
I take it you'd have Paul Jewell and Steve Bruce before Moyes? They both had higher league finishing positions then Martinez ever had with Wigan
60 Posted 07/05/2013 at 22:32:58
I respect your opinion but I disagree with it to the middle of my bones.
It appears that a change may be imminent, anyway, if the rumours regarding Alex Ferguson are to be believed.
61 Posted 07/05/2013 at 22:35:12
62 Posted 07/05/2013 at 22:58:51
Seeing that our wage bill is generally around 10th to 12th highest in the league, and our spending is generally less than 3/4 of the rest of the league. Can anyone tell me how many managers have continuously finished higher than us with less or comparable resources?
63 Posted 07/05/2013 at 23:21:42
64 Posted 07/05/2013 at 23:16:37
Such a load of nonsense being written about this man in recent days...
65 Posted 07/05/2013 at 23:38:39
66 Posted 08/05/2013 at 01:30:10
67 Posted 08/05/2013 at 04:23:52
68 Posted 08/05/2013 at 15:17:00
69 Posted 08/05/2013 at 08:02:27
Imagine if in the next two years he does not win the title, he is sacked. end of.
You need one or two failures at United between SAF and taking the job. Then you are compared to the failures and not SAF.
71 Posted 08/05/2013 at 10:46:42
I think that's an astute and sane position to take. If Moyes went there he would be a hostage to fortune, really; I just can't see it happening. If it does, however, then some people on here are going to look like total idiots.
72 Posted 08/05/2013 at 11:36:39
He is also 11/10 on joint favourite with Mourinho (who would be entirely out of place)
i reckon Moyes will sign by the end of next week.
73 Posted 08/05/2013 at 12:41:39
If only for my sake.
Cough up some cash for him to spend Kenwright!
In Moyes I trust.
74 Posted 08/05/2013 at 13:04:47
76 Posted 08/05/2013 at 13:03:30
When Moyes goes we'll be back in the shit again and those calling for him to go and criticising and abusing him to a shocking level on this site will be made to look like knobheads.
I'm not his biggest fan, despite what you might think, but it is abundantly clear that he has improved our standing. I can remember the season review video of 2002-3 that was called 'The Magnificent Seventh'. Yes it was embarassing, but the point is 7th really was magnificent for us back then. Now finishing 6th seems to be viewed as failure becasue we're Everton and NSNO and all that crap. Wake up FFS, we're skint and we're 6th - DON'T YOU GET IT!!!???
77 Posted 08/05/2013 at 14:25:12
You are completely correct. It appears that Moyes will imminently become United's manager. But wait! - no, it's Mourinho. It must be true: Ross Edwards, the fount of all wisdom and knowledge, says so.
78 Posted 08/05/2013 at 14:12:45
If a few million quid more was found at the right time, if the rub of the green had been different (I hope there's space for an 8th circle in Dante's hell for Signor Collina) then there might have been more glory to show for DMs tenure, c'est la vie.
Whatever happens, and despite the mistakes he has made (Anybody got the hypocritical first stone ready?) Moyes has done a fantastic job at Everton. Thanks Dave.
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2 Posted 07/05/2013 at 17:40:44