A Promotion from Within?

I can't believe those of you who think Martinez is a bad manager because Wigan went down this season. It's a miracle they lasted as long as they did with -£12 miliion net spend. How well do you think Moyes would of fared at Wigan under the same conditions? They wouldn't've won the FA Cup — that's for sure.

BK out. I wish Moyes would piss off and ruin United rather than ruining the club by recommending 4 people who couldn't even coach an army of ants.

Europe? Nah! Let's just make sure we stay in the EPL....

At least Martinez won't be blamed by the statisticians on here when Everton return to bottom half, dull, mindless football.

Clap clap clap ....

Better from their point of view to have somebody who is grateful for the opportunity and will perform under the current board and restraints of the club's finances. It is a gamble for them because if the senior players don't buy into it and decide the club is lacking in ambition they will be off pretty damn quick.

As a defence of an in-house appointment it is probably safer to do that until a better candidate appears on the horizon rather than just picking anyone who happens to be available. It just highlights how badly the club is being run and the financial predicament we find ourselves in.

Make do and mend it's the only way to manage Everton FC

If it is such a good idea, why didn't Ferguson appoint Giggs with Scholes as his Number 2?

Far better to have a clean break from Moysie — the Portugese fellah looks worth a go and he will not cost anything.

I cannot see Martinez fitting the bill — imagine him coping with a snarling Goodison if things are going pear-shaped?

Neville can take a hike though, and follow his mate Moyes down the M62.

As it happens, the net spend of Everton and Wigan are astonishingly close. Year after year there's matter of a few hundred thousand between them. Yet Everton are pushing or qualifying for Europe every season as Martinez's Wigan battle relegation and eventually drop out.

But it's not only the comparison between Moyes and Martinez that's important here. It's also the comparison between Martinez and his predecessors on an identical budget. Wigan finished 10th and 11th in the few seasons before Martinez arrived. Nice fella though he clearly is, your man Martinez has managed no better than 16th and now has his team playing in the Championship.

But I'll return to my original point: are you seriously making a financial excuse for Martinez aftet so many years of vehemently arguing it was not a factor to be considered in assessing Moyes?!

I wonder if his appointment at one of the world's biggest clubs - hand-picked by the world's most successful manager - has wound you up a bit. Almost like people who know the game well are undermining your position that he's garbage!

Anyway, at least you're entertaining. Please never stop posting!

Plus... an outside manager may come in and rip the club apart brick by brick and undo the good work Moyes has done building a decent squad, thus taking us from a top-six side into a bottom-six side.

Lennon...been managing for five minutes in a second rate league..jeez...even Mike Walker could win trophies as Celtic manager

Poyet...again not experienced enough in top flight..ok..had short spells in lower leagues but hardly set the world on fire

I could go on....but my point is Dunc and Sheeds arent experienced either, so may as well give the job to two EFC legends who know the club inside out and wouldnt drastically change too much

The chance of Blue Bill having the foresight to approach a Bielsa type is about as likely as Dixie Dean coming back from the dead to knock one in at the park end.

We will be a bottom 6 side again before you can blink an eye with Stubbs in charge.

We are desperate to break away from same old same old - just look at the vote Bill.... 50%, yeh 50% saying enough is enough.

We have gathered arguably the strongest squad for years albeit small for it to all go to pieces within the first season of a new era. I would prefer to see some stability with maybe Round or Stubbs staying with Vitor Pereira or Jesus coming in (ambition) than to sit on a wholly appointed staff from within (sorry about the pun). Both tactically aware with defense based upon offensive attacking football.

I don't particularly want any of the candidates although I do think Stubbs and Ferguson have done well with their age groups. They're either good coaches or we've got a good academy. I think Neville would cast off the shackles in a way Moyes never did. I always thought that his natural instinct to win had been mellowed by Moyes over the years. Maybe he'd get that back. Maybe some of them have been burning with ideas that Moyes would never implement and might play young players that Moyes never considered. I'm sure people had similar doubts about Guardiola (completely different world I know).

The moral is who knows how anyone would do? Mourinho could go to a club and completely cock it up whilst some ex-player could lead them to the league title. This is the risk we take whoever we appoint. Juande Ramos nearly took Spurs down then they turn to the man who relegated Southampton and Portsmouth and he takes them into the Champions League.

You make a good point when talking about Tony Marsh, but when you talk about the net spend of us and Wigan being very similar that is simply not true, if you're going by player transfer fee's net spend that might be similar. The thing you forget about is the wage bill difference of the two clubs, ours is much larger than Wigan's. Arsenal and Spurs net spend on players isn't that much different to ours, but their wage bills are substantially bigger then ours.

"Not Neville again?

"I just don't get it... I would prefer Ferguson anyday." This is just nonsensical. What th hell do we know about eithers managerial ability? This isn't a vote over which footballer I prefered, it's about manager.

Personally I want Pereira.

Joe Royle had done a brilliant job at Oldham, keeping a small club in the Prem until eventually they got relegated (shades of Martinez), whilst Howard Kendall had already done a superb job at Blackburn (similar trajectory to Moyes at Preston). They may have been Evertonians, but they went elsewhere and proved themselves before being considered for our manager's job.

Stubbs, Phil Neville, Big Dunc and Weir may all be decent managers one day, but if any of them was given the job with us before they've managed a smaller club with some level of competence, it would be the most unforgiveable decision in our history, really criminal mismanagement at board level, and I find it amazing that any of these names are even mentioned at all. We should be scouring the world for the right candidate, not Finch Farm.

I think it's clear from all the comments on the site that there is no one outstanding candidate and we can see pros and cons for most of the people mentioned.

The trouble is we have to trust Blue Bill do get this right and that's the problem. We have no assets, he's sold all the silverware, we don't own our training ground, have to borrow at very high interest rates because the banks wont do business and BB and his chums wont loan, or put their own cash in. And so on.

He got it right last time, I've got my fingers crossed he gets it right this time but I'm not banking on it.

COYB

I've just started to consider Neville or Ferguson as serious possibilities to replace Moyes.

Both know the club inside out and both are respected by any serious fan for their loyalty and general commitment to the club. But both have absolutely no club management expertise.

Why am I even contemplating this being a good idea.

Oh well... back to my meths.

Does Kenwright have any backbone? He needs to search his memory, and remember the days when Moores sacked a manager for finishing 5th. Please take a chance and release us from some people's apparent delusion or addiction to the idea that if we don't stick to the Moyes/BK blueprint it will be the end of the world.

If he had any real bottle, he would appoint the Fat Spanish Waiter who would do a far better job than any manager thus far mentioned and certainly better than four or five internal candidates.

Surely even our Board have had some contingency in place regarding his replacement? They would have drafted a shortlist of candidates, who fit in with their profile of a new manager.
Or is it more of a case of 'Oh shit, David's got another gig, get me Robert on the phone luv.'

No - even I can't believe they are that daft.

Some say the David Moyes appointment was the only thing BK ever did that turned out for the best; I think all Moyes has done is help mask the serious issues relating to the club. Now, with a new manager required, isn't it all a little bit to obvious that the deal is done already?

If Weepy arse is blubbering that Moyes won't let us down then Moyes has already selected the new guy from within and Weepy has gone along with it — hence the pathetic outpouring.

Just face, it lads 'n' lasses, we've got Pip and AN Other and that's that. This dreaming of new blood has to stop and it's out with the old and in with the old's left-overs. Too many bits of info being leaked about inside job for it not to be true...

Sorry, but we have to face up to it: Pip 'n' Stubbsy.

Mark, " I think the shaky defence there, was their biggest downfall ", so, would that be the defence that Martinez was responsible for? He may have been responsible for some good signings like Malony and McCarthy but his team couldn't defend to save their lives.

I would also be just as prepared to see the FSW here, maybe with Neville, as I would to have any of the other internal promotions mentioned here. Show some ambition, Kenwright, and find a real manager, or just do one.

It's not an easy decision for this very reason, and I don't envy Bill's responsibility... in fact, getting David Moyes to make the decision for him has to be his ideal — given the trust, love and glorification bestowed. Bill comes out smiling once again, no matter who it is...

Record, personality, background, ethos — getting the mix right is daunting. Clearly whoever is ultimately chosen will have his supporters and critics from the start, based on the diverse perceptions of these various qualities voiced here to date. The idea that we will all get behind him as one given the wide diversity of views posted on every name that pops up (exception: Laudrup) seems unlikely in the extreme.

The Everton Manager is an very important position. And the debate will only reintensify with the appointment as people project forward what they think he is going to achieve in the coming season. The pleas will be for him to be "given time"... but, once the season starts, each game, each team selection, each tactical formation, each substitution, each press conference, each interview, each utterance will be analyzed and scrutinized. I think that's as it should be... but that's probably just a personal preference of mine. Others may not want to talk about it until he's had 10 games, a full season... 11 years in charge?

Exciting times lie ahead...

I think we all know the outcome of that scenario. Is that the legacy Moyes is leaving us? Filling the post of manager at this point is so important for the club to either we wither and die or for it to progress and build into new successful era. Bill Kenwright and the board needs to get this appointment right or we will see the club wither and fade into what has become to the likes of Leeds, Forest etc.

On the topic of a promotion from within I am skeptical and think it sends out the wrong message. How can Moyes suggest Ferguson, Stubbs and Weir, seriously? He worked damn hard at Preston to get an Everton job that was half the job it is now. What message is that honestly sending to young managers. Sam Baloo hits the nail on the head for me. All our top Evertonians have had to prove themselves at a lower level before joining, I for one think it would be disrespectful to the club we now have to give someone their first job here, this is a top six club. After all, only the best is good enough.

It's only 10-09AM and I have another 14 hours or so
of despair until I can crawl into bed wine-sad

What ambition we have! What forward-looking leaders
we have! What imagination! What verve!

We have an opportunity to make a statement to all and sundry about us and where we see us going and how. But hey let's go inside, indoors, at home, cheap, safe, unimaginative, unexciting.

I should go down to the lake or go and have brunch at this cracking contemporary mexican but I am in a slump coz I read this: Moyes, I 'think continuity at every club is important'. He might mean the backroom boys but he means I fear the hot seat.

It's not realistic to think that Moyes will not have a say in the days to come. The question is how large and influential will that input be. Teary Billy will, I suspect, be swayed by the Man-U gaffer who he dotes on.

None of these inside names inspire me at any rate. Ferguson? Give me a break, no experience to speak of, keep coaching for us sure, let's have another look next time .......

Needs to be someone from outside who would give us something different. England and Europe are full of good options, there's one, there's another, there;'s another one.

Breathe some new life into this club please. I know many on here don't think that we need that. I do. I want a choice that piques my interest and makes me excited for what might happen.

Stubbs, for the love of God NO. THRICE NO. I don't want to think of another centre-half. Let's have Weir instead then, oh .... Dream team, Stubbs/Weir. I'm having night-sweats already. Anyone else having a sinking feeling of Kenwrightish scrimping and saving and talking about the Everton family and this choice makes sense, continuity is important ...... "

There's some hope that there are inaccuracies in

Alan Stubbs, David Weir and Duncan Ferguson - all former Everton FC players who are presently part of the backroom team. The Echo claims that the four have held individual talks w

Neville slinking up; crafty. And Freedman too! Fredman!

Roberto Martinez 11/4 - Neil Lennon 7/1 - Gus Poyet 7/1 - Phil Neville 8/1 - Alan Stubbs 9/1 - Dougie Freedman 10/1 - Malky Mackay 10/1 - David Weir 20/1 - Steve Clarke 28/1 - Rafael Benitez 28/1 - Stuart McCall 33/1 - Vitor Pereira 33/1 - Ole Gunnar Solskjaer 33/1 - Mark Hughes 40/1 - Harry Redknapp 40/1 - Michael Laudrup 50/1 - Slaven Bilic 50/1 - Kenny Jackett 50/1 - Duncan Ferguson 50/1

An untried coach or ex player with no managerial experience would find it difficult to gain the respect of the players and imo is a gamble too far.

I'm starting to warm to Rafa or Martin O'Neill but no one stands out as a natural fit for Everton FC.

nuudge and whisper....they just got relegated

Why are we scratching around looking at Lennon the thug and a guy who has just seen his side relegated? We must improve on Moyes's work, not go backwards.

That said, once the decision is made I will get fully behind whoever is appointed. My only exceptions being Benitez and Hughes. They're not fit to be associated with Everton.

Grow some bollocks Kenwright!!

Take advantage of what could be our best and only opportunity to get a young, up and coming, hungry, ambitious manager who plays attacking football but still has the best defensive record in the league, had to sell his best players for the last two seasons and replace them with youth and cheaper rough diamonds but somehow still managed to win back to back league titles (probably), out performing Benfica along the way!

All this for a ludicrous sum of money........£0 as he is out of contract!!!!!!!!!!!!

Vitor Pereira is his name and I believe he is a realistic and the stand out candidate for next Everton manager.

So ffs Kenwright don't let us down (his words) go and get him!

I'd have no problem with Neville, Stubbs, Ferguson on the coaching staff to show him the Everton way but please not in the hot seat.

Moyes has left us in very good shape both on and off the field in football terms. We now need a man who is going to come in and excite the fans and players, unearth a few gems both in the youth and transfer market but most importantly make a name for himself at Everton F.C.

Don't miss the boat......AGAIN!

For the record, who would you choose as manager Fran?

So far, you just can not conclude that there are no better options than those from within. Kenwright has to understand that any manager he chooses, the fans have to stand by that choice!! If not then he will have a problem after a short amount of time, when results do not go our way.

Football today is about results. Simple as that. You go after the best manager you can find and nothing less.

Everton is a big club. A top 6 club needs a top European manager in charge.

Kenwright simply has to understand that. I hope this is just the first stage in talks. And that later on we will have talked to others such as Laudrup and Solskjaer...

If Laudrup is not coming then I would like to see Solskjaer in charge. He is the best man for the job. He is a natural winner and has all the right attributes to get far. He is attacking, likes to play nice passing football and likes to find and unearth talent from both within and outside the club, plus he can see if talent is real or not (most of the time).

I think Solskjaer is an improved version of Moyes. He has won 2 league titles in Norway, and he knows English football very well after coaching Man Utd Reserves. He is tipped to take over Man Utd some day, and I agree with that.

Everton would be a step up for him, and he would develop here for many years and do us proud.

I wasn't trying to make a case for Martinez to be our next manager, I was just pointing out that his dealings in the transfer market were actually quite good

An internal appointment would simply highlight the paucity of ambition and the paucity of funds of the Kenwright regime.

There is nobody among the backroom staff who has anything like the stature we should be demanding. There is nobody who would excite potential transer targets. There is nobody who would take us to the next level.

The idea that because someone once played for us they would make a great manager is complete tosh. Idon't want a romantic appointment of a gifted amateur, I want someone who will challenge the amateurish approach of the board and compensate for it with a professional approach.

He would have similar (not exact) restraints at everton, and Moyes also had to deal with a fair share if injury crises'. A football team is not about a manager's project, it's about football, and that's about winning games.

For a manager with huge restraints on finances, he should use what he has very carefully (and the MOB would continually cite Bily as a Moyes failure, which is true), the same must be said for Martinez.

While he wouldn't relegate us, I don't think he'd make us perform better. OK, he won an FA cup, but McCleish also got silverware at Birmingham, Redknapp at Pompey yet were they a success?

Under Martinez I see us being a well respected, well done, look how the pass the ball nicely team that Sky Sports and BBC say many nice things about, but we'll finish 10th. I wanna finish 5th,4th,3rd,2nd or 1st (I wanna improve) and I don't think Martinez is a good pick for our job (limited resources, small squad, need to sell best players). Someone lie Pereira I beieve is a better choice.

If Kenwirght really wanted to do this because he could not be bothered to look elsewhere then he probably would have done it already (unless he's having some massive apprentice style selection interview between Neville Stubbs and Weir - you can imagine them being grilled with questions such as 'I give you enough money for one loan deal on the last day of the transfer window and you only have 3 hours to spend it - who do you get in?') The fact he's at least taking any time over this means he is at least having a think about it which hopefully means he's cast the net a bit further than finch farm. (Of ocurse he could just be waiting until there's no more matches and no opportunity for any fan reaction).

You do not give a club finishing 6th in Premier League to a completely novice manager – it would be a ridiculous thing to do. It would be like saying Everton is some club for them to learn with. Loads of ex-players out there like Keane, Southgate Robson etc who turned out to be rubbish managers – why would we take this chance?

You need to learn your trade as a manager with lower league clubs first... then come to us if you've proved yourself.

I think we all imagine that BK is going to decide who he wants (having taken advice from DM and god only knows who else) and hold an interview or two next week sometime. But this morning we wake up to learn that he’s already spoken with the four in-house runners; Stubbs, Pip, Weir, Big Dunc.

Now we’d have to assume that Stubbs will have thrown his hat into the ring after a fairly successful U21’s (reserves) campaign. And having declared a few weeks ago that he wants to play on no-matter how, no-matter where, Pip says that he is now all of a sudden considering retiring from playing – so it’s safe to assume that he’s also thrown his hat into the ring. As for Ferguson and Weir I’m really not sure where they currently see themselves akin to management. So perhaps BK already has four candidates dismissed, or one, two, three, or four ready for a second interview.

I now just wish it was the middle of next week when we should know if not who, then who’s likely. I make it between Roberto Martinez, Alan Stubbs or Phillip Neville. Now there’s an anti-climax.

Everyone (most importantly, BK), please stop this embarrassing fawning over David Moyes. He was an employee – handsomely compensated by Everton, and don't forget Everton were as important to him as he was to us – just get over him, and let us focus on our new manager.

We don't need to "not let David Moyes down" – he means nothing to us after tomorrow. BK needs to do what is best for our club, he doesn't need to please anybody except the fans.

Or do I have that wrong? Do they, and do they need them to manage a Premier League club?

I'd prefer a new broom approach rather than a 'more-of-the-same/ continuity,' angle; we need to improve rather than simply hold onto our current position.

More concerned as has been proved time and time again that his dynasty is to be upheld at all costs .....especially if it doesn't cost anything.

I just hope Kenwright ignores Moyes and looks abroad but, seeing as he is infatuated with the man, there's little chance of that happening. Wasn't there a report a few days ago where Moyes said that the club has moved on from where they were when he took over and that the job wouldn't necessarily be right for some up-and-coming manager from the lower leagues or someone without Premier League experience?

At the time, I took that as a nod towards a proven manager, a more recognised name, or maybe someone who has won silverware... or looks like he could win silverware... so I was quite happy with what he said as I believed it was a positive look to the future for us. But now, looking back, it could've been his backroom staff he was hinting at.

It would be a disgrace to appoint anyone without managerial experience at such a large club but I expect it will happen. I can't believe Kenwright hasn't been boo'd out of the stadium by now or that there hasn't been masses of banners calling for him to go. Us Evertonians certainly are different from other supporters; we put up with a lot of crap.

Pereira is out of contract shortly, wants to manage in the Premier League so go get him. If Bill matches Moyes wages then that should hopefully be enough to tempt him (Moyes co-owns a racehorse so he can't be too badly off). So the club wage bill stays the same and the board can be happy with that.

Does anyone know if there is any truth about Pereira being a guest at Goodison over Christmas? Hopefully if he was then some seeds may have been sown??

I've posted before my view that Moyes should have resigned immediately on signing for Manchester United and should not be consulted regarding a replacement appointment. It's an extremely alarming thought that his favourable comments regarding an internal appointment could be taken up by Kenwright.

Assuming Kenwright won't consider paying up for Laudrup, Martinez and Pereira are far and away the outstanding candidates.

Someone mentioned the likes of our successful ex players who won trophies here as manager. The likes of the Cat, Kendall and Royle all went somewhere else first and got their experience at a smaller club before working their way up to the big job. Kendall worked wonders at Blackburn and if he hadn't got the ball rolling in the early 80s would Walker have been in the position to pump millions in 10 years later? It was Kendall who lifted them from tier 3 to tier 2 and had them flying. Royle did well at Oldham, in a job mirroring Martinez, by keeping them in the top flight for years before finally succumbing to relegation and having a great cup run in that final season.

None of the current guys have any experience. Weir and Stubbs appear to have done well coaching so far and Moyes seemed pleased with them. however, they are still learning to be coaches, never mind managers. Neville is further behind them. As for Fergie, he's only just started. How do any of you know that Fergie has the coaching skills, the tactical nous, the vision to see what's happening on the pitch and to make changes? I saw no evidence of that as a player. He said repeatedly that he didn't even like football and that he never watched it. Hardly inspires me as one of the future great mangers and one of footballs great thinkers.

Everton is not some two bit outfit that can just let some ex player come in and have a go. It's not worth the risk. Get in a proper manager and return this club to where it belongs. Sentimentality is no basis for such an appointment.

At least he has management experience, was a well-regarded number 2, and knows the workings.

"Is it time to bring Alan Irvine back to the club?"

He's been back at Everton for some time. He's in charge of Youth Development. The role he performed at Newcastle before Moyes made him his number 2. He seems to be doing okay there, so leave him be unless a top new manager has a better person for the job.

But surely he'd make a good number 2 again?

I think you're all falling into the media trap of "think big, think foreign."

Continuity, people who already know the workings of the club, who the players already know.... might (and I stress might) just be the best way forward at this time.

The jury's certainly out on most of the list mentioned in the papers etc...

Why don't we just wait and see and remember the people a lot on here are putting down.......you know next to nothing about them, their skills, motivational, tactical or otherwise.

What we do know is that they're Everton, just as much, if not more than, we are!

In an ideal world I wouldnt think twice of appointing these two because of their lack of experience.....

But EFC are not living in an ideal world.
We have no money for transfers or big wages, no new ground proposals, still in debt and no sign of an investor(still!!!)

Therefore, thats why were being linked with unproven managers like Lennon and Poyet.......if we did have the investment and a big bag of money then we would have a higher class of manager showing interest

Also, Moyes has built a decent side over the years, its Moyes style of play and questionable tactics and substitutions that were the problem...all Dunc and Sheeds would have to do is stamp a more attacking authority to the side and tweak the tactics a little..if we can do that then the draws will turn into wins...

If a new manager comes in he will want his own backroom staff, therefore gettin rid of Stubbs, Weir etc....also he will probably dismantle the team and bring in his own players which may not be better than what we already have...

Its too risky because he may get sacked after six months and leave the club in limbo...

We have a good structure to the club already and the players we have are capable, its just the tactical and negativity of Moyes that was the problem so let Dunc and Sheeds address that and be more positive in our play and stop being the premier leagues draw specialists...

We need a proper new innovative coach with new ideas, systems and strategies. We need this because of a lack of money. The situation is the opposite of what you said. Only a good manager can take us forward. Fergie would only see us relegated. I doubt many who played with him would want him in charge.

You're talking nonsense lad!!!

His convictions should rule him out of the job. he has numerous, not just one, he was already on a suspended prison sentence when he headbutted McStay. It shows the measure of the man and he is not someone I want in charge of my club. There will forever be serious questions over his attitude and commitment.

'Unproven' hmmmm

So let's go for 'proven' gaffers instead

Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you

Ducn/Sheeds

Neither of them have the requisite coaching badges either

Of course, Col, he's the living dead

Like I said before....

Its because were in dire straits financially that the likes of Mourinho and Hiddink etc wont touch us.....

Thats why divvys like Lennon, Hughes, Poyet etc are being linked with us...

For example...managers who come to a new club want their own players, its only natural I know...so lets say Lennon is appointed he will bring in half the celtic side...what goods that? Hooper an iguuere are half decent but so would you and I be if we played st johnstone and kilmarnock every week....

My point is...the side consists of quality already..Jags,Baines,Coleman,Fellaini,Mirallas etc....the only thing Moyes got right was assembling a decent team, it was his tactical inability, questionable substitutions and negativity that was his downfall...I think Dunc and Sheeds could address that and have us playing more positive rather than playing for one one draws and hanging on!

An outsider isn't needed, because they will change the infrastructure of backroom staff and playing staff.
We don't need that, we just need tweaking a little on the pitch not a complete overhaul...

Also the advantage of Everton over Athletic Bilbao is that we can sign non-Liverpool players! Bielsa would come in and change everything, but everything needs changing anyway. The current infrastructure has only taken us so far.

If Bielsa is like he's been in the past, he wouldn't be looking at major signings or asking BK for money. He'll be scrutinizing the youth team and, for the first time in years, maybe the best youth academy in the country (more England internationals than any other club) will have a pipeline to the first team again. 6 in the u20 world cup side. I think there's talent there.

I really believe Bielsa could transform the side without making a signing. He would bring his style of football, the high pressing game som many have copied off him, and get us playing energetic, dynamic and exciting football. Did bilbao defend when they played Man Utd last season? No they did not. They got about them and took them apart. Weren't Chilé everyone's favourite other side in World Cup with a similar style of play? And weren't Argentina at their very best in the last 20 years when he was in charge?

Bielsa has never maanged a club as big as us, and BK needs to pick up the phone and persuade El Loco to come to the Premier League. We'd have a sell out every week playing his brand of football, we'd be on sky sports every chance, and we'd start selling shirts around the world, as everyone will start supporting us in the way they supported Keegan's newcastle, only we'd be beamed into more countries than we were in 1992. Bielsa is the man we need.

Same old Everton though, I was starting to get excited again, if this happens, it's back down to earth with a bump.

Whatever people's opinions of him... you can't fault him as a manager. My brother mentioned him to me earlier in the season as possible successors for Moyes, but I just laughed at him and told him "never".

Seeing the job that he did at Chelsea, under pretty difficult circumstances... he did pretty well. I'm kind of feeling a bit indifferent now, almost coming round to the idea... he certainly interests me more than promoting a coach from within.

Or will tribalism dictate that we wouldn't go anywhere near him?

I think the biggest deterrent for Rafa would be the lack of transfer funds... but, other than that, I don't think he would think twice about taking the hot seat; after all LFC turned him down twice in recent times. It's not like he owes them anything.

Alot of our older players are going to need replacing in the near future. How do you know what Dunc and Sheedy will be like in the transfer market? What experience have they got of building a new team when father time has caught up with most of Moyes's playing staff?

This man will be going free in the summer, and we would be mad to let him pass through our fingers. He plays a 3-3-1-3 formation, more exciting than 1 up front. Bilbao destroyed Man Utd in the Europa last year and he could bring a bit of hard work, passion and beautiful football to the Old Lady.
IBWT!!!

I've an open mind on who the next manager should be but am happy to support a carefully thought out decision. There doesn't seem to be an ideal candidate and there is no need to make an appointment before the middle of June. Pre season isn't until July. In these circumstances, Kenwright should talk to people and it certainly makes sense to take advice from Moyes. Last time round there was real urgency as Walter had guided us to the verge of relegation and Moyes rescued us. There is an opportunity to think carefully now and Kenwright should take it.

Most of bielsa's teams, including Bilbao last season, would run through a brick wall for him. The whole madman or El Loco thing comes from his animation and intensity when on the touchline, rather than him being some kind of complete raving lunatic. He's not quite right head in the head though, but geniuses often aren't.

There's no doubt about it, he's the manager's manager and the greatest tactician of the last 20 years. Just ask his chief disciple, Pep Guardiola

Your talking about Duncans reputation as a headcase and then you say you want Bielsa whos an absolute loose cannon and has a fiery temper...

Also, if Duncan was as unprofessional and hotheaded like you say, then why would Moyes have brought him back to the club and appointed him as a youth team coach...

http://www.worldsoccer.com/features/tactics-the-genius-of-el-loco

Esteemed BBC south American correspondent on Bielsa:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timvickery/2012/02/bielsa_bouncing_back_at_bilbao.html

Guardiola on Bielsa:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/may/24/pep-guardiola-marcelo-bielsa-barcelona (note the tone of esteemed journalist Sid Lowe's thoughts on Bielsa)

I could go on all night by the way. This guy is the greatest. Not the greatest we can get, but the greatest. And yes, I really do believe he would come. We are bigger than Napoli.

To have Moyes advise on the appointment is mind boggling and epitomizes the no mark fool we have as chairman.

The guy is said to watch and read a great deal, so he must have some command of English, just I hope, not be fluent.

Now, maybe if MK and Lyndon can send a letter to BK demanding Bielsa's appointment immediately. We cannot let this man go to Italy. The Premier League would be better with him. He has worked under financial and geographical constraints for 2 years at Bilbao and has done fantastically well.

IN BIELSA WE TRUST!!!!!!!!!! COME ON BK, LISTEN TO THE FANS!!!!!!!!!!!

Bielsa's ways are cheap. He prefers not to sign players but to bring them through. He would work closely with the youth set-up. He is therefore very affordable and with being out of contract he would require no compensation.

Yes, hes succesful and articulate but we don't have the resources to tempt him here..

A stadium falling to pieces, no money to play with and having to go cap in hand to Bill asking to empty the penny jar...

This is what im saying...No top class manager would want to be put in that position..therefore Dunc and Sheeds would already know the situation and not demand anything..

We don't need a major overhaul..like I said before we just need the same group of players to play more freely and and have a more positive approach...you don't need a new manager for that..the nucleus of the team and club is in a decent state...just a bit of tinkering tactically will sort that out...

No money or investment=no top class manager..

So give Dunc and Sheeds a chance to alter that as they will have their own ideas...just because they worked under Moyes it doesnt mean they will adopt the same playing style...something tells me Duncan does what he wants and is his own man...call it a hunch!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGQSldOwp-o

Just two of my favourite Bielsa training videos. The guy is so intense!

Guy's, we don't do Continental at Everton, we don't do inspirational, throw the rule book out of the window type thinking.

The only way we will ever sign someone like Bielsa, is if we had a burning ambition to take this club to new heights.

Bill is only considering options to keep the club safe. We are a safety first, protect the investment, 40 points on the board club, that's why Moyes is being hailed as some sort of God by BK & pals.

Stop torturing yourselves with all these trailblazing European managers, and start thinking Scottish defenders - you won't be disappointed.

Also from what ive seen and heard of him he seems to be a volatile charachter and would kick off with the tea lady if she burnt his cornflakes...

Perreira seems to be a popular choice but isn't he a similar kind of manager in terms of his intelligence and studies of the game?

I'm so tired of this fucking team. Waste of a fucking decade.

"Marcelo Bielsa may never be forgiven by Argentina fans for crashing out of the 2002 World Cup in the first round.

His Argentine team were considered favorites after winning the CONMEBOL regional qualifiers, but couldn’t get past either England or Sweden in the group stage.

In hindsight, his tactics (once praised) were dubbed too inflexible, predictable and stifling to talented individual players who required freedom to display their talent.

The team showed up to the tournament exhausted, with many players struggling with injuries. The conditioning and preparation for the tournament was brutal, appearing to overwork the players who were already fatigued from their club obligations.

For Bielsa, success is attained through hardwork, obsessive attention to detail and repetition- and each of his carefully designed coaching methods is based on this philosophy."

Coaches stifling the natural ability of players as skilful as the south americans should be beaten with 2x4s - not for uncle Barry.

Footy at it's most effective is simple and fluid - indeed the more I see of teams from 70s and 80s old footage the more I realise how shit todays players are by comparison.

One of the great mistakes of modern coaches is overcoaching footy isn't like american stop start sports where instant explosive strategy from the blackboard works - this guy could of course be the next Wenger but i'm suspicious of people with affectations of which this guy seems to have in spades.

We had to suffer Thatcher for 11 years then they gave us John Major.

Step forward Phil Neville!

The grey away strip is only in my imagination because someone mentioned John Major.

If it was a horse race there'd be 19 lengths between first and second.
By the same analogy, many of the other runners would be non-starters with Mark Hughes already in the knacker's yard.

1. We appoint another British manager
2. Stick with the Everton tradition and appoint an ex-player
3. We appoint our first continental, foreign manager

All three have merit and pros and cons but I am more and more coming round to Option 3.

Its 2013, our club needs to grow, the world is getting smaller and for the "monetary types" ( I know we do not have much!) lets grow the "Everton brand" across all markets, globally.

Appointing a foreign coach shall make us more appealing to sponsors and attract new players. One of the great things I love about our club is we are a Great British traditional club. We can still hold on to those traditions but also we need to be moving forward.

I do not live in the UK. I left Liverpool in 1993 but even after our Great Years under Kendall, the Everton name globally always came second to the Shite. Well now they are on the decline and it is us who should take the initiative to make our club a truly international name.

Who-ever the new manager is, just like what Ferguson has said about Moyes that the fans need to get behind him, we too need to get behind our new manager. I hope the board is looking 5-10 years ahead and appoints the right man for our Great Club.

As for Bielsa at Argentina, it was hardly a failure. We all remember Beckham's penalty that knocked Argentina out. Argentina love the number 10 and back then they had the superb juan roman riquelhme. However, Bielsa's formation and system can't accommodate such a player. Bielsa likes to attack and his teams are all about fitness and stamina and getting from front to back as quickly as possible. And every player working hard and closing down. This means there's no role for a lazy number 10, even one such as Riquelmhe. The ball needs to be moved as quickly as possible and Bielsa likes to play in the opposition half. It's Beilsa's inability to push Riquelhme out of the side that led to opposition from the River Plate orientated media. It was all highly political from journos who were also fans who were fighting for their man.

AND someone who won't ask any awkward questions like: "Where are all the Lawnmowers we have bought??"
You couldn't make up the way Everton is Run. The only good that will come out of this is that finally the fans might wake up and smell the rotten stench that is Kenwright and his band of Thieves.

BK will not bring in a continental . He won't want to rock the boat too much. Martinez must be a hot favourite.

People seem to be basing their view on how Neville ( and anybody else for that matter domestic or foreign ) will shape up on what they have seen in the past, Nevilles case as an average player who got worse as the years progressed, had a knee op, came back to soon, was then really gash and had a mare Vs Wigan...very few really top class players are top class coaches. You're all looking back on what went before and saying that happened so now this will...it was red lastime so it must be black now.

Bill will appoint who he can get away with, we're stuck with it, but until whoever has a go we won't know how they will do, for all we know Neville might as a coach be total football personified.

That goes for anyone from the special one down

Enjoy the last game of the season, go on holiday.

Don't speak to soon, for the wheel's still in spin, and theres no tellin who that it's naming, for the loser now will be later to win.

For the times they are a changin

What I do know is that we are currently big news. Our profile is up, we're 6th and being praised for our football, we have some excellent players.

I'd love Bill to stop fawning over Moyes and start saying that its all down to the manager. "Great set of players here - what an opportunity for a new coach!" Might be a start. My gut feel is that a big name will build on our profile and we could finally see transfer links that befit our great club.

At the moment, I get why we've not been sold given the way that Bill is selling the manager's job. It's like he's dating but constantly telling each candidate how great his ex was. "Greatest manager in football" he called him at the awards ceremony. Greatest club, Bill, focus on the club!

Fellaini also ­revealed he and Moyes have already hatched a plan to convert him into a deep-lying ­midfielder, something United need.
“I’m happy with my ­season, although I didn’t play in my best position,” said Fellaini. “I’m not a number 10. David Moyes predicts my future as a ­defensive midfielder, but due to a lack of offensive power, he plays me up front.

"In the future I want to play as a six or an eight. From there, I can create danger and score goals.”

Toffees chairman Bill Kenwright is understood to be weighing up the ­credentials of the club’s ­internal candidates to ­succeed Moyes before ­deciding whether to make a move for Roberto Martinez or Malky Mackay.

Both Martinez and Mackay are keen on the job, but Kenwright will first consider the merits of Phil Neville, Steve Round, David Weir and Alan Stubbs.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/manchester-united-transfers-marouane-fellaini-1896978#ixzz2ThFdjsbO

It gets better and better with each passing moment.

Just 2 words

George Best

In the squad of 35 Steve, not in the side.

Ferguson replaces Moyes at Goodison,

It's got a sort of poetic symetry about it,

“When he came to me, when we first met on my sofa 11 years ago, he said, ’chairman, you’re not going to go down.’

Are there some words missing from the end of BK's quote ?

Moyes team needs to be disassembled, sold and debts repaid.

Everton needs a total rebuild and the financial predicament in which we find ourselves, given BK's reluctance to sell, needs to be dealt with.

Get out the players on high salaries and bring in the best untried youngsters, reduce the wage bill by 15% at least and pay down debt from capital raised.

Continuity means status quo, means heads in the sand, means BK excuses and lies..

I'd rather have; exciting young players on the park, a thriving youth system, a dynamic manager who has to change his tactics and playing personnel and to scheme and think to overcome challenges presented by different teams, 12th place instead of 8th-6th if necessary for a few years, options, a five year plan, light at the end of the tunnel... CONTINUITY - NO THANKS!

Barcelona and Bayern Munich.

Who's playing methods were similarly used to obtain that success?

Marcelo Bielsa.

I'm loving that Bielsa is getting more of a mention on these forums, however I'd like us to make more noise on the idea of bringing Bielsa to Goodison in order for the Everton board to get the message. His methods would work perfectly in the Premier League. Bielsa as Everton manager is a dream I'd wish to come to reality.

There's a lot of noise in the media at the moment linking Everton with an internal appointment.

Oh dear!

For the last few years many Evertonians have been split down the middle on David Moyes, some fiercely loyal to David Moyes, others couldnt wait to see the back of him.

After we play Chelsea at Stamford Bridge today, the latter of Everton fans will have their wish come true, David Moyes will no longer be our Manager & now we must look to the future.

I must admit, im not thrilled at the prospect of an internal appointment, im not even sure if the four candidates have sat and passed the test for their Uefa A licence.

I would personally like to to see Vitor Pereira as next Everton Manager. His contract at Porto is up at the end of the season, and would not cost anything by the way of compensation. Porto are currently undefeated this season as he looks to claim back to back League titles since being promoted to first team Manager after Andre Villas Boas departed for Chelsea.

I think Everton would do well appointing a continental Manager who will bring different ideas to the club in the way of attacking football, a manager like Pereira would satisfy the majority Evertonians as a positive appointment amd a statement of intent.

Before people criticize Pereira saying anyone could do it with Porto, look in to the fact he had to sell a lot of first team player's and had to promote from the youth team, and still went on to win silverware.

Sound like Everton without the Silverware!

If we do appoint from within, I will get behind him (whoever he is) and supoort him all the way because we're Evertonians amd thats what we do, but we have an opportunity to get a young, highly rated, up and coming manager with Champions League experience who has won trophies, without having to pay compensation.

If we opt to miss this opportunity and promote one of our former defenders, the majority of Evertonians will be deflated and will see it as a lack of ambition.

Lets hope Mr. Kenwright chooses wisely eh!

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Neville has just been installed clear 2nd favourite with Hills at 4/1 and 13/5 with 32Red!!!!!!!!! :S

I cannot believe anyone is seriously considering a novice managing the 6th best team in the country. Can you imagine the 6th biggest bank/law firm/supermarket or any other big business doing this so why should football be any different? The only reason I can come up with is sentiment which is never a good basis for any decision.

The internal names may be Blues (some of them) but I have learned long ago that players who are fans are not fans in the same way (once a blue, always a blue). Whilst I am not bothered about Ferguson's criminal record, I am also not convinced that an EFC tattoo is a suitable criteria for getting the job. He only ever played against the RS and the Mancs anyway – he could never lift himself for the other games – so in my mind it's questionable just how much of a Blue he is.

If we end up with a manager who creates a massive player bug-out, what is then the point of supporting this club? Okay we will most likely get solvent, yes, because the money we earn from the sale of our best players, we might as well spend on paying off the debt, because most likely the manager created this escape, and cannot attract that kind of players where he will need such a amount of money.

And most likely I will find my self something else to do on the weekends, rather than watching some dreadful ball kickers spending time running around like headless chickens. I have stopped hoping for those managers who have proven themselves, I just hope the man in charge will be able to keep the players and build an attractive attacking team. We have many old guys in the squad that need to be swapped out with younger players who still have their careers ahead of them, rather than behind them.

Everton need somebody established who could take a top 6 club and push us on. We complain about the lack of ambition from the hierarchy while (some) cheering the notion of just about the most unambitious names I can think of.

I don't know if the window of opportunity that existed at the start of this season will be there at the next, but Chelsea will have a new boss, Arsenal were close to faltering this season, Spurs may not have Bale - or probably better for us if he stayed so they don't get £50m+ for their transfer kitty, and who knows with City and Liverpool what will happen.

I'd love Pereira just to shake things up, with Neville as assistant.

The irony with Moyes was his great ability to get a lot out of a cheapo squad over a season, whilst struggling at a tactical level in some big games, and on occasion when it really mattered.

Then I remember that it's us, and it's likely to be an immensely dull and uninspiring appointment that'll disappoint everyone.

Sigh.

Roberto Martinez 100/30 - Alan Stubbs 5/1 - Malky Mackay 5/1 - Jurgen Klinsmann 10/1 - Neil Lennon 10/1 - Phil Neville 12/1 - Michael Laudrup 16/1 - Gus Poyet 16/1 - Vitor Pereira 16/1 - Ole Gunnar Solskjaer 20/1 - David Weir 25/1 - Dougie Freedman 25/1

(1) Vitor Pereira
(2) Michael Laudrup
(3) Jurgen Klinsmann
(4) Ole Gunnar Solskjaer
(5) Roberto Martinez

Stubbs - No
Mackay - No
Lennon - No
Neville - No
Weir - No
Freedman - No

Hang on a sec, what's the trend here. I get it.

My top-5 picks were not born in the British Isles. My 5 Nos in the top-10 were all born in the British Isles.

Hmmm, for me at any rate - given the betting leaders and chasing pack that we have - we absolutely must go foreign and not in-house, indoors, internal, inside, cheap, UNIMAGINATIVE

Teary Billy June-3: 'It seemed pretty clear to me and my colleagues on the board that this was an appointment that speaks to the tradition of this great club. David Moyes (rubs eyes) emphasized continuity and the Everton tradition. And you will remember my first interview when I said plainly that we must persist in the Moyes tradition, and yes I immediately inserted Everton tradition, but Evertonians like me who love this club so dearly know what I mean. In the appointment of Alan (Stubbs) and David (Weir) we have continued a great Everton tradition. Continuity is key, key is continuity'

No coaching badges, and even if he's a great motivator, which none of us really know as he never even speaks to the public, that will only take you so far.

You might be right, maybe it's because of his surname being shared with old Whiskey nose. In which case, we might as well go for Sarah Ferguson or even MIck Ferguson!

Neville, who is working towards his Uefa pro-licence, said: "It would be a really good job to get. I know there are players who have gone into jobs and failed but I just think I have prepared. I have prepared for the last five seasons and I have got some really nice decisions to make. I am prepared for every eventuality"

'The Maisfutebol may advance, moreover, that Vítor Pereira started Monday outside the country to listen to what leaders of both clubs had to submit. Clubs are British and the first half of the Premier League table.

Vitor Pereira landed on Tuesday morning at Lisbon Portela, from Heathrow (London) and immediately caught a plane to the city of Porto.'

So.. us, city and chelsea.... or.. just city and chelsea?!

If true then definitely hoping that it is BK he has gone to have a chat with. Lots of coverage is saying Mourinho-Chelsea, Pelligrini are done deals.

Posted a link to a report alleging Pereira was guest at Goodison over Xmas on the Kevin Ratcliffe thread on Monday. So again am hoping that if there was another meeting earlier this week then it was to draw towards a conclusion to bring Pereira in.

Right, fingers crossed - Porto call a news conference in next couple of days. Pereira announces with regret he is leaving to consider other options.Next week he is announced as the new boss at Goodison - GEDDIN!!!!! We love you BK!!!!!!

Mentioned on Monday that Vitor was 25-1 to be the new manager at Ladbrokes. This morning the best price I can see on Oddschecker is 11-2 with Paddy Power, Coral and Hills are going 5-1. Can't see any prices with Ladbrokes so maybe they are investigating everything very closely now. Reckon if that news conference is called and Pereira and Porto part company then he will go odds on.

Remember never bet more than you can afford to lose. Don't come looking for me if Phil Nev is chosen.

BTW (think this has been mentioned in another thread too) - an ex Stoke Player (Terry Conroy?) summed up Phil perfectly when interviewed for Sky Sports News Yesterday about whether Stoke should appoint him - "he's not got enough experience!"

So for Everton Assistant or coach - yes, manager - remember the Gladiator film Phil "but not yet"

Fingers crossed for Vitor Pereira!!!!!!!!!!

Let us all pray this is true. Klin with Dunc - the stuff of dreams.

He's won the league with Porto 2 years in a row now so may well feel that he wants a new challenge. Porto may again sell players in the summer and he may actually feel that he has more chance of keeping players at Goodison!

Imagine, if you were Fellaini or Baines and Pereira is announced as the new manager. Surely you are more likely to stay.

if the rumours about him coming over to London are true then this must indicate a very high level of interest. If he was angling for a better deal at Porto then surely he would of just let his agent do the talking "Everton, Chelsea etc. want my man blah, blah"

Am also thinking as each hour goes by then the chances of an internal appointment lessen. Think we would know the outcome by now if there were internal interviews for the post. Don't get be wrong I think Round, Neville, Stubbs, Weir, Ferguson could all play a big part in the future, but not as the number 1 yet.

Keeping the "back room" together is what can keep the continuity!

I would be happy with that!

http://www.eatsleepsport.com/everton/pereira-next-everton-boss-claims-1593030.html#.UZyvupyi2qA