Moyes not in Breach of Contract — EFC

Have we become such a joke as a club to allow the current manager to run Man Utd while still collecting his wages from us.

We are fast becoming the small club that Benitez inferred.

Why are Everton the one's doing favours For Man Utd????

Kenwright is a MUG.

It's not looking good — this could go on for weeks... Everton need the new manager in now to get to know the players and get ready for pre-season.

If Many U had not already won the title SAF would not have come out with saying he was retiring as he would not want anything disrupting his players. We still had games though and still had something to play for but what did we matter - disrupt our player all you like.

Never known anything like it. Starting to feel like Manu U own Everton.

Says it all really. Jokingly taking the piss. Joking;y spending the day at Man-U on our pay packet.

I'm jokingly losing a little bit of respect about this one.

But jokingly why don't all of us moonlight from our salaried job.

This was not a smart move by someone I feel is smart.

When was the last time he listened to the fans? For Christ's sake, he doesn't even listen to the shareholders but then I am not surprised when he has a patronising prick like this Tyrrell fella as Director of Communications. So much for letting your manager go with no Plan A to replace him but to let him do work for them on our time is now taking the piss to the extreme.

Nothing funny about DM's comment and time BK grew a pair before he has no fans support at all.

To be honest I was more personally annoyed at the last 5 words he ever spoke at Goodison as our manager in the Sky interview - "moving on to better things". Again, Moyes was factually correct in all honesty, but did he have to say it after the send off he'd just been given?

I know Moyes got Everton, but somehow I think he's under-estimated just how much this club means to us.

However, there is more to us than just the team: there's our history, us fans and the simple fact that this club is Everton FC — one of the greatest! I don't think he was ever able to instill that self-belief into the players, that extra drive that comes only from playing for such a club as this.

As the motto says...

Which manager did understand this club - Walker, Smith, Lee?

At least BK is showing some respect for someone who has been a loyal employee over the last 11 years. Love him or hate him as a manager, I'm still sure that Moyes is showing the same respect.

I think that the way this has been handled by BK, the management of EFC and Moyes is a credit to all... Makes a nice change!

I'm looking forward to all the shitty comments I'll get back ;)

If you worked for a company for 1 year or 11 years and you were going to work for a rival firm, there is no way that they would let you do what Moyes is doing.

Like I said before, he should be on Garderning Leave and the Board should be interviewing Managers.

Tell me one other company where you are under contract and you can come and go as you please between old and new companies???

Everton is being run like a little a corner shop!

No need to calm down as you may be onto something with the MU own Everton summation earlier.

Also like Jackies purring cat analogy a few posts back.

Old Fergie was a tool maker or some such trade in an earlier life up in Glasgow. I think maybe he was an engineer on the side because this Moyes to MU has been on the back burner, for the long sighted Fergie, for many a year.

He has followed DMs progress through the ranks of Scottish and lower league football I am led to believe and it is said that SAF had a hand in getting Moyes fixed up with his first managers job at Preston and... also played a back seat role in his move to Everton in 2002. With Moyes not having much on his CV but Mentor/Alex Ferguson.

Moyes now is seen by the overlords at OT to have served his time and is now to prove himself in the hardest school of all. A club used to dazzling success.

Will seem a bit of a life style shock to Moyes after years of winning nothing except a League 1 Play off.

But his time at Everton was most certainly not wasted as he dutifully went about his business in the top half of the Premier league. A good learning curve for his long term goal and destination now reached. Interesting times ahead for Mr Shallow.

Would be concerned for the Blues if the Neville position is not fully cleared up in the near future. This could lead to him being installed as manager or assistant and usher in yet another period of time under the sway of the robber barons of Old Trafford. who can continue to take our pearls whilst feeding us their washed out scraps.

He has a right to take any job he wants but let him show us some respect and start and go to their training ground etc from 1st July when not under EFC employment.

Like I said in earlier post, I've never been anti Moyes but not acceptable to be doing this and then to be told to 'calm down' by the patronising Paul Tyrell.

That's why I think that even though Moyes is leaving the club has handled the whole situation very well. It sends a clear message to anyone who wants to work or play for Everton that they are respectful employers. Which is a nice change from the usual corporate bollocks.

And I'll tell you what...(Keegan rant coming)... I'm sick of people comparing sport to business. Just fucking knock it off. Sport is NOT business, they're 2 different things entirely. Business/commerce is sucking all the joy out of sport so let us have a new rule to stop confusing the 2 things as being the same thing.

You wrote: 'I think that the way this has been handled by BK, the management of EFC and Moyes is a credit to all... Makes a nice change!'

Seriously? Moyes lying to his employers and supporters? BK trying to cry on TV? The comms director telling fans to calm down? No contingency plan? Internal interviews only? allowing Man Utd to have everything their own way with Everton?

It's been a catastrophic OMNI-SHAMBLES! No plan B? Not even a fucking plan A!

http://thepeoplesperson.com/david-Moyes-not-in-breach-of-contract-according-to-everton/

"Oh, that’s OK, then according to former Liverpool FC Press Officer, Paul Tyrrell
I wonder how the management and directors of Utd’s poodle will feel when they face the backlash from Everton fans as the Utd manager tries to decimate his old club’s coaching, backroom and playing staff"

Utd's poodle - how apt

Looks like we've got a worthy successor to Ian Ross ; you can take the Press Officer out of the RS but....

Moyes is off, he's got one foot in Utd now, just as most players have one foot on the beach. It's not like he's going to be buying new players or running the pre-season tour, so why does it matter? We should focus on who's coming in, not who's going out.

I was simply saying that it is nice to see some respect shown to employees for their years of service for a change. Or are you suggesting that its a bad thing? I still think that's a positive in what's been a tough time as a supporter. For the record I am glad that we will have a change of manager as the game at Chelsea demonstrated the need for.

There's a telling remark from Phil Neville's recent BBC video at 04:20
"...someone told me the other day that when he signed for Everton 11 years ago his main ambition was to manage Man Utd eventually..."

Understandable? {shrug}
You gotta have a dream

I can almost see Round and Kenwright standing at United's training ground, arms around one another and faces pressed up against the railings looking in, proudly telling all around them: 'That man used to be at our club, God bless him.'

We are the cheap, stained, ugly carpet of the Premier League. Walk this way, everyone!

That said our comms director making light of the situation is a worrying signal about how the club are dealing with the situation.

Do they really expect Evertonians to accept a position of cheerful subservience to Man Utd? I don't.

I agree his mistake was not in coming back, but leaving in the first place
The pleaure of watching him in his playing days and the obvious pride and passion he showed in the 80s as our manager deservedly give him icon status, in my opinion, of course - and I forgive him his mistake

Everybody really needs to get a grip

I think this sort of thing goes on all the time but it's difficult to keep a secret if Man Utd are involved. Having said that, they kept their new manager a secret for the last six months.

More likely he'd say, no your fecking not, while your getting paid by us you'll fecking work here comprende. And that's after 29 years not 11

I did say when this first came up, that Moyes should have been put straight on Gardening leave. If it's going to be Stubb's as the new boss, put him in charge for the last 2 games and see how he fares. Not us we had a luvvy dovey Moyes fest from all corners of the ground ffs. I clapped because I was glad to see the back of him, miserable bastard.

Why not get him to spend 6 weeks on that 24/7 fucking search with you Bill?

I don't know about Webb but there were 3 or 4 referees lining up to have photos taken with him and getting his autograph. That's Ferguson, not Moyes.

If we were being compensated by United then it would make sense but we're not.

So to summarise so far:

STAGE 1 - Moyes' departure is announced 2 games before the end of the season
STAGE 2 - Moyes, whilst still officially Everton manager, is allowed to spend his time at United
STAGE 3 - The new Everton manager is announced as {insert name of soul-destroying bell-end}

...doesn't bode well does it?

With football, the close season doesn't mean the club closes down completely between the last game of the old season and the first day of pre-season. I presume you are still looking at player contracts, organising pre-season friendlies, introducing yourself to the main sponsors if you are the new manager, etc.

If it was the other way around, what would you want?

Most employment contracts simply state that you can't be employed (sometimes it references being paid also) by another company whilst under contract to your existing one. He would just argue he isn't an employee until 1st July and they aren't paying him until then, and therefore the contract is honoured all round. Whatever people might think, Moysie is a decent man and he will have received cast-iron legal advice, therefore I very much doubt there is, or will be, any contractual breach.

He can do as he pleases in his own time, for people to suggest that he can't says more about them than it does about Moyes/man utd/kenwright.

Besides, he was a loyal employee for 11 years. He has a good relationship with the club. We might need that relationship in the future in dealing with Man Utd in transfers,loan signings, etc. And there is always the possibility that if it doesnt work out for him, he could come back to us.

Cutting our nose off to spite our face is not very becoming. I personally think kenwright has handled the break-up well.

Can't have it every which way peeps!

Anyway, a little bit of light relief amidst the doom and gloom of the gaffer's now less dignified exit.

This is courtesy of Eugene (Raune) who passed it on when we were chatting about footie cards back in the day.

You might know that Chelsea were the flashy swinging King's Road flair boys c.1970 - think 11 Man About the House Robins - and I give you John Dempsey, crap
defender but a real King's Road Boutique style merchant

http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Dempsey.jpg

You evil barsteward!

(Will he bring Jimmy Lumsden, Barkley, Tony the Kit Man, Fellaini and Baines back with him?)

In plain terms

Is it on the clock for Everton?
Is he acting on behalf of Everton being there?
Is he cementing a relationship or starting his new job early?
Is the place of business he is visiting an active competitor of his current employer?

Any ounce of common sense on the planet would scream this is a clear piss take, I'd love to get a job at Everton, you can basically do whatever you like, whenever you like.

you're right - we're showing our class at the moment. But some people just want a dig at the club management/board no matter what. It's times like this I wonder why people bother with running football clubs, the amount of grief they get (most of it unfair, or unwarranted, or sometimes even outrageously libellous) is pretty scandalous.

And they have to put up with thousands of armchair "managers" who think everything they do is wrong. Reminds of me "you don't want to do it like that..."

Why people are having a go at the efc director of comms for simply saying how it is, baffles me. The guy is an employee. He's just doing his job.

I think it was the great comic George Burns who once said " it's a shame the all the people best qualified to run the country are busy driving cabs and cutting hair "

Everton FC: "So David, your contract with Everton finishes at 6.00pm on Sunday 19th May, just after the last game of the season, ok?"

Moyes: "Fine with me"

United: "Fine with us"

Everton FC: "Right that's eveyrone sorted then".

Ffs, a spotty 14 year-old could have organised it.

Unfortunately, we can only dream of a spotty 14 year old running Everton.

Instead we are, forever it seems, lumbered with Mr T. Pepper, the hopeless weepy-eyed snake-oil salesman.

God help us all.

Yes the board are so hard done by aren't they? The board put fuck all money into our club, now they want some wealthy people to come and buy our club for some ridiculous sum of money. Still the board has to put up with thousands of arm chair managers who spend a fortune of their hard earned wages buying season tickets and other merchandising from Everton

There's no class involved in standing there helplessly and taking every single knock square on the chin like it doesn't hurt when your pants are visibly filling with piss. It just means you're frozen with fear....like Bill and the board who haven't a clue how to go forward from here so are just letting things continue as they have been, for as long as they possibly can.

Instead of ever showing an ounce of respect to the tens of thousands of fans that have been supporting the club their entire lives?

People are bringing out the defense that anyone changing jobs is given transition time, but there is a massive difference between being an employee, and being a contracted employee.

It's been said so many times, but here it is again, why do they need a manager right this second, but we don't?

David Moyes, you are an arrogant so-and-so. To think you can actively shmooze with your new employers whilst still taking £75k pw from Everton AND have the audacity to "assist" in the search of our new manager because you think you know better. Who the friggin 'ell do you think you are?

You should be at EFC assessing Sunday's game regarding performance and injuries if any.

My new job doesn't actually start for 6 weeks, but during this time I'm going to be working there 2-3 days a week (maybe more) whilst getting paid by my current job, and my boss is fine with that. I'm also thinking about bringing 1-2 mates with me to the new job. I've also told my old boss that the ones who I don't want to bring (as they aren't as good as the one's at my new gig) would be great to replace me.

Sounds great in 'The Real World' doesn't it?

I go back to my earlier point... what would you have Moyes do over the next week or so? What if he went out and scouted some player or other and signed him up or recommended him to the board and he turned out to be useless....Then it would have been why didn't Moyes just get out of it.

On another point I would welcome his having some limited input into our next appointment rather than leave it to the collective "talents" of our board.

Moyes effectively finished his job on Sunday with Everton. We can hark on as much as we want about his remaining month of his contract, but at the end of the season would he not normally clear his desk and go on a family holiday?

He's gone, finished with Everton Football Club. Let's move on to putting the knife into the new manager whoever he may be.

A friend of mine who is a Kopite was telling me it was much the same for them last season before they took on BR and their websites were full of similar dissatisfied supporters.

I was working in Manchester on Saturday and a couple of reds were calling Fergie and a City fan was hailing Manchini. Some games you just cannot win.

Thanks for clarifying that.

Kenwright is a knobhead and we are all MUGS

But not to worry we are punching above our weight. Good old plucky little Everton.

Surely he has by now given BK all his input/advice about who should succeed him.
Should not any decisions to be taken by the manager at this time of year now be left to his successor?

Surely all his work-related thinking time from now on will naturally be about the challenge facing him at Man Utd.
I imagine there will be a lot of MU issues to weigh up and a lot to get his head around. And a lot of conversations to be had in the coming weeks.
After all, he is renown for his preparation and attention to detail.

I wish him well.

But I am hoping that when he comes up for air he will think, if he has not done so already: "I'm not really doing the job of Everton manager any more, I should have my desk cleared out by the end of the week, and Everton have limited resources.

"I've got enough to get me through to July. I won't accept that June pay packet."

Such a gesture would save EFC somewhere in the region of £250,000, possibly more. And would be a nice sign-off.

Unless its a straight swap for that mad bloke with all the tattoos at Pompey

Laudrup and Pereira also had their odds clipped significantly

MackKay frighetens the life out of me, Stubbs too. NO NO NO

Roberto Martinez 3/1 - Malky Mackay 6/1 - Jurgen Klinsmann 6/1 - Alan Stubbs 7/1 - Neil Lennon 8/1 - Phil Neville 12/1 - Michael Laudrup 16/1 - Gus Poyet 16/1 - Vitor Pereira 16/1 - Ole Gunnar Solskjaer 20/1 - Rafael Benitez 50/1

Boss Ross Blames Moss For The Loss.
The honeymoon period for the new manager came to a sticky end as the toffees were the victims of yet another howler form the man in the middle, how could Mr Moss have sent off Distin when he clearly missed the oncoming CF and was at least a yard away from the player..Ross was also sent to the stands for complaining in colourful terms about the favours hie one time hero David Moyes had received from the same official at OT last Saturday.

If you've had an incredible employee who has been loyal and industrious and produced for you, I don't see the harm if you trust the person to handle multiple roles for a short period of time.

That having been said, I wasn't going to a competitor or selling the same product. And that is the one thing that makes this situation entirely different.

Had I gone to a competitor they would have cut me off immediately. And that's the real issue here.

In terms of Coventry, they have fallen out with whoever owns the Ricoh stadium and are planning to move grounds anyway.

Did you think they were our competitors when we knocked them out of the Cup at Wembley?

Ditto when Fellaini made Goodison shake the first game of last season?

Don't we buy £6-8m pound players as they do?

Didn't we only finish 5 places behind them in the League?

You make it sound as if we are in League 2. Incredible.

I can only summise you are aged 25 or below.

We're in the same league as them, hence competitor.

If a top salesman with a Fortune 500 company left and went to a small upstart that sold the exact same product and service, he'd have his desk cleaned out in an hour.

(1) Vitor Pereira
(2) Michael Laudrup
(3) Jurgen Klinsmann
(4) Ole Gunnar Solskjaer
(5) Roberto Martinez

Stubbs - No
Mackay - No
Lennon - No
Neville - No
Weir - No
Freedman - No

Hang on a sec, what's the trend here. I get it.

My top-5 picks were not born in the British Isles. My 5 Nos in the top-10 were all born in the British Isles.

Hmmm, for me at any rate - given the betting leaders and chasing pack that we have - we absolutely must go foreign and not in-house, indoors, internal, inside, cheap, UNIMAGINATIVE

Teary Billy June-3: 'It seemed pretty clear to me and my colleagues on the board that this was an appointment that speaks to the tradition of this great club. David Moyes (rubs eyes) emphasized continuity and the Everton tradition. And you will remember my first interview when I said plainly that we must persist in the Moyes tradition, and yes I immediately inserted Everton tradition, but Evertonians like me who love this club so dearly know what I mean. In the appointment of Alan (Stubbs) and David (Weir) we have continued a great Everton tradition. Continuity is key, key is continuity'

Roberto Martinez 100/30 - Alan Stubbs 5/1 - Malky Mackay 5/1 - Jurgen Klinsmann 10/1 - Neil Lennon 10/1 - Phil Neville 12/1 - Michael Laudrup 16/1 - Gus Poyet 16/1 - Vitor Pereira 16/1 - Ole Gunnar Solskjaer 20/1 - David Weir 25/1 - Dougie Freedman 25/1

But I sincerely hope oyes lowers there average points tally.

Tyrrell may be correct that Moyes poncing around with United does not breach the written terms of his contract, but what about the implied term that every employee shall serve his employer faithfully? How can Moyes serve his employer i.e. EFC faithfully by preparing to manage one of our competitors?

Gavin #370 and Eugene #379, I don't always agree with your posts but you have both hit the nail on the head.

Speaking as an employer, I would have expected Moyes to agree to ending his contract either when his appointment at Man U was announced or no later than after the Chesea game.

What a piss take. Man U must be killing themselves laughing.

And as for Moyes having a hand in choosing his successor, what utter tosh. Where do his interests lie? A strong Everton? His new employers won't think so. End his contract now. If he wants to sue for wrongful dismissal he will lose. Get the new man in now and allow him to prepare early for next season.

Grrr!

The fact that he never signed a new contract and the fact we are getting precisely nil compensation for him moving 35 miles is the big sickner. He was clearly fed up earlier in the season and why would he try and help with finding a new manager for us? He doesn't give a monkeys...

Just gutted it has come to this and the clown BK and all the board just don't seem to have a clue who they are bringing in...

As for Moyes, I have always had the utmost respect for him... But I have lost a bit of that; I don't blame him for going to Man Utd but I expected a dignified exit from him — and as for "going on to better things", that's true, Mr Moyes, but expectations will be massive and if you don't deliver... bye bye!

I feel he's got this new-found cockiness about him and it's rather ugly — just like the club he has joined.