No pre-contract agreement with Pereira

Trevor Thompson
1 Posted 23/05/2013 at 15:00:54

Of course we haven't. I wouldn't expect Blue Bill to have that much initiative and ambition.

Kev Shearer
2 Posted 23/05/2013 at 15:03:35

Does bill kenwright even know who pereira is???

Terry Maher
3 Posted 23/05/2013 at 15:07:36

Everton are wating on Martinez. He will make his decision next week to stay with Wigan or leave once he's made his decision. I think Everton will name the new boss. Come on Bill, get Pereira.

Nick Entwistle
4 Posted 23/05/2013 at 15:11:02

The original report A Bola loddocks then...

Jamie Barlow
5 Posted 23/05/2013 at 15:11:36

I'm not surprised they've come out and said its rubbish. It goes against the bullshit that they didn't know Man Utd were coming for Moyes.

Richard Dodd
7 Posted 23/05/2013 at 15:21:08

I`m rapidly beginning to think ALL the stories about the likes of Pereira,Martinez and Mackay are bullshit.

Send for Neville,Stubbs or Weir. `They were always our first choices`,Bill will say. ` They will build on the great foundation Davey has laid. I am here to build a dynasty.`

Now you`ve got me at it!

Andrew Laird
8 Posted 23/05/2013 at 15:30:16

Exactly Jamie, better to back up their defence of not knowing it was a done deal behind close doors months ago.

I wont expect an appointment until after Moyes has his last wage cleared. Does anyone know what Gary Megson is up to these days?

Brian Williams
9 Posted 23/05/2013 at 15:36:51

It's the same old story really isn't it?
Every transfer window we're linked with exciting players, whether realistically or not, only to be totally disappointed when the window closes with none of the "exciting" names (if any) having been signed.
This is just another "transfer window"..................... for managers.
Why DO we build our hopes up time and time again, just to be disappointed?

Antony Matthews
11 Posted 23/05/2013 at 15:38:36

Typical Everton. Always pissing on my chips !

Jackie Barry
13 Posted 23/05/2013 at 15:41:12

I'm not wasting anymore of my time over this until the new manager is announced, it won't change anything so what is the point?

Phil Martin
14 Posted 23/05/2013 at 15:45:21

Eddie Howe is in the frame now. I've definitely buying a season ticket.

David Israel
15 Posted 23/05/2013 at 15:39:12

I still think Pereira will be the annointed one, with Stubbs, Weir or Neville as his number two.

Dan Nulty
17 Posted 23/05/2013 at 15:53:51

Looks like Martinez.is the favourite again, given he was supposed to decide his future yesterday in taking the silence as there are.discussions going on behind the scenes. I'm really torn between vitor who doesn't know the epl or Martinez who might take us down as well...

Mike Rourke
18 Posted 23/05/2013 at 16:01:33

"I'm really torn between vitor who doesn't know the epl or Martinez who might take us down"

Yeah, that's a hard one...

James Stewart
19 Posted 23/05/2013 at 16:04:07

Why on earth would Pereira want to come here?

Stubbs/Weir/Ferguson etc should not even be mentioned it's an embarrassment that they are

Gary Carter
20 Posted 23/05/2013 at 16:16:40

It seems quite a coincidence to me that the day it goes public that we have a shortlist of 8 people, not a very short shortlist in my opinion, that Martinez comes out and delays his decision on wether he stays at Wigan. This despite all the bluff and guff from Dave "Senile" Whelan yesterday.

I for one am not a fan of appointing him and given the 8 names mentioned on Sky Sports yesterday could easily chop that down to 4 and Martinez would certainly not be in there.

But what do people think, maybe despite what Whelan says Martinez is chomping at the bit to take the reigns at Goodison Park ?

Patrick Murphy
21 Posted 23/05/2013 at 16:17:35

It's a tough call for the bloke Wigan or Everton, Wigan or Stoke. Last year it was Wigan or Liverpool the year before Wigan or Aston Villa, he must love Pies.

Dan Nulty
22 Posted 23/05/2013 at 16:20:35

Surely Martinez would prefer to be with us, clearly he feels extremely loyal to Whelan. I'm just not sure about him at all, will he keep us where we are let alone challenge those sides above us? Having said that who could with one hand tied behind their back. Let's face it, there'll be no further investment under Bill, maybe it would be better to give with Martinez who is used to working on a shoestring and selling to buy. Now fella has come out and said he is staying I'm sure that means he is off shortly...

Brendan McLaughlin
23 Posted 23/05/2013 at 16:29:04

Roberto dithering...surely not?

Richard Dodd
24 Posted 23/05/2013 at 16:30:06

Perhaps they could job share.Martinez for the attack and Stubbs and Weir for defence! Only joking.
Any more news on which of our lot Davey is taking with him to OT? One of their sites says Lumsden and Woods,another just Round. hope they all remember their earphones and notebooks!
And how to nod their heads.

Gary Mortimer
25 Posted 23/05/2013 at 16:36:55

Why hasn't Mike Bassett's name been mentioned? Surely he should be Bill's first choice.

Mark Tanton
26 Posted 23/05/2013 at 16:41:29

I've gone off Martinez to be honest. He's taking too long, messing about and looks indecisive. Perhaps he has bottled it. We should take his dithering as a lack of conviction and look elsewhere.

Jamie Barlow
27 Posted 23/05/2013 at 16:37:47

Isn't that what they do in American football Richard? A deeefence coach and offence coach?

Brian Harrison
28 Posted 23/05/2013 at 16:47:14

Please stay with Wigan Roberto you know it makes sense. Also makes sense for us as we are looking for a manager to try and improve what Moyes did, although I think that is a very tall order. But what we don't want is a manager who manages to keep his team in the relegation position for 3 years but finally triumphs and gets them relegated.

I cant believe that we are even considering this failure as a possible manager. I would take any of the other candidates mentioned than Martinez. BK you said you would listen to what the fans want, well I cant answer that but they clearly have enough sense not to want Martinez.

Stu Green
29 Posted 23/05/2013 at 16:55:52

Decision not until next month? Wow.. Surely we want to be moving faster than that, unless we're only shopping for managers not on the open market, ie stubbs.. weir.. pip.. ~sigh

Kieran Fitzgerald
30 Posted 23/05/2013 at 16:29:08

Martinez could just be doing the decent thing right now. The club has just been relegated under his stewardship and perhaps he and Dave Whelan are just doing their best to set the club up for life in the championship. I don't see any other reason for it. He has never come across as being a mercenary and if he really has had as many chances to leave for other clubs and hasn't, it could just be his character.

Dan Nulty
31 Posted 23/05/2013 at 16:57:01

I keep looking at Benitez and thinking at least if he came we'd find out if he was any good or not.

Richard Dodd
32 Posted 23/05/2013 at 17:12:30

FFS,Dan.Give it a rest,wilsya ?

Phil Sammon
36 Posted 23/05/2013 at 17:17:48

I couldn't care less about Everton's pride or performance either, Dan. I'm just DYING to know how good Rafa really is. That is my absolute priority.

You oaf.

Howard Meakin
37 Posted 23/05/2013 at 17:14:37

Roberto Martinez, not for me. Nice guy but not good enough for Everton FC. I'd rather BK appoint from within than go for the likes of Martinez or Mackay. Health warning for BK don't even think about appointing Neil Lennon that would be a disaster.

Tony Marsh
38 Posted 23/05/2013 at 17:20:31

Welcome aboard, Mr Dodd; now you get the picture. All these links with top foreign coaches are just the smokescreen Weepy Bill and his boys use to distract us from the real issues. Once we are all worn down, exhausted and apathy has set in... Hey Presto! out comes the truth and the new guys are rolled out.

Welcome, Pip, Stubbs, Wier, Irvine, Round or combination of these names. I reckon even Malky or Lennon are too big for BK to pursue. I am so glad you are beginning to understand it Doddy. I know it's painful to realise you've been getting conned all along but it's never too late to wake up, lad.

That's it... chin up, Son.

Steven Telford
39 Posted 23/05/2013 at 17:57:59

Martinez odds have been cut, on the discovery of footage which shows that that Dave Whelan has begun to take personal change of training sessions at Wigan.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dP66T8ktiTA

Wayne Smyth
43 Posted 23/05/2013 at 18:32:31

Do we actually know whether BK has offered the position to either of them?

The reason Martinez may be delaying is because he's waiting to find out if he's going to be offered the position.

I'd be happy with either coach to be honest. Both seem to have potential....but please no internal appointments. As James says, its totally embarrassing to be even considering them given their lack of experience.

Greg Lambden
44 Posted 23/05/2013 at 18:32:39

Interesting that Sky Bet have not installed SSN's exclusive 'short list of 8' as their top 8 in the betting.

They obviously have no confidence in their own exclusive story. Now there's a surprise!

John Crawley
45 Posted 23/05/2013 at 18:39:28

I hope we don't go for Martinez. I think there are much better European based coaches out there. Why do we not even appear to be considering Bielsa?

Steve Edwards
46 Posted 23/05/2013 at 18:36:41

If Marinez is concerned about investment Wigan will have for the team next year, then there's no point in him coming here because the answer will be "not a lot ". On that basis I don't think he would come. The truth is Stoke will give him more to spend and apparently Malaga are reported as being interested so those who don't want him, well, he may not be interested anyway.

Bjørn-Ivar Pedersen
47 Posted 23/05/2013 at 18:49:51

If we don't get Pereira, then I wish he could come out public to say if he was offer the job or not, and if he declined the job offer, does not need giving us any reason why he eventually decline, but we need to know if he ever was offered the job.
I will follow the guy closely the next years to come, I want to learn more about him, because what I have read til now make me strongly feel he is the best candidate for the job.

Kunal Desai
48 Posted 23/05/2013 at 19:05:03

I won't be too surprised if Neville is appointed manager. We can't even attract someone like Martinez, says it all really. We were once such a massive club but for as long as these fuckwits incharge we will remain small.

Lenny Kingman
49 Posted 23/05/2013 at 19:07:58

Its Martinez or Neville in my book. Both probs with Martinez attempting to sail the good ship Everton FC from the bridge and Neville, as assistant, keeping the feeder club in check for his boss over there at OT.

Iain Johnston
50 Posted 23/05/2013 at 19:02:40

Whelan on Sky saying Martinez is asking questions about investment in training facilities and their youth team not the transfer budget. Says he'll know about the planning permission by Friday and next weeks deadline is Whelans decision. Martinez is on his way to Barcelona to visit his parents.
The parachute payment is now £60m over 4 years, he's experienced in managing in the Championship and promotion from said league. I don't think he'll leave for the EPL. Malaga maybe?.

Tony Twist
51 Posted 23/05/2013 at 19:33:55

We need to forget about martinez . He has done this before and will do it again. He stalls. It will be a week then he'll have a chat then he'll go on holiday to think about it. He is just not worth it.

Brin Williams
52 Posted 23/05/2013 at 19:40:50

This Whelan fella - made a mint apparently and now living above his station.

Tell him and his meatball Martinez to make their mind pdq or fuck off and stop pissing everyone about.

Get Pereiera or whatever his name is before the RS put in an offer for him !!

Carl Taylor
53 Posted 23/05/2013 at 19:48:28

I quite fancied Martinez at one point, but are we seriously letting The Wigan manager tell us whether he wants to manage Everton? If we've made him an offer and he said he wants to think about, then that's it, bye bye, you had your chance to move UP, stay down with the mighty championship side Wigan. Move on Kenwright, West Ham and Fulham are already out shopping in the same markets we shop in.

Julian Wait
54 Posted 23/05/2013 at 20:00:05

Just speak with a Portuguese friend who is a Porto fan. The overwhelming view of their fans is that Pereiera got lucky and is just not good enough, for Porto or for Everton. Seems like a huge risk to me, he is not Mourinho or even AVB it seems ... have a feeling that the noises are coming from his camp as they know he will get the chop anyway ... I say no to Pereiera.

Julian Wait
55 Posted 23/05/2013 at 20:02:56

*spoke

Mike Rourke
56 Posted 23/05/2013 at 20:10:51

Julian, your mate isn't call Barryiao Rathboninho by any chance?

Ged Simpson
57 Posted 23/05/2013 at 20:07:33

Carl - that is a misguided view of the attraction of being our manager. We are not what we are (though have been better over the Moyes period) but I imagine for a manager taking on Everton is just as big a risk as we consider many of the applicants to be. Such is the reality of the negotiations. I pray BK doesn't promise what he cannot give or we will be like the RS and have a new manager every year. .

Andy Crooks
59 Posted 23/05/2013 at 20:17:12

I think there is a story by Jorge Luis Borge which goes loosely as follows:
Events don't usually turn out as we expect, therefore if we envisage a particular outcome it won't happen. A man is sentenced to die by firing squad and imagines every conceivable out come to try and ward it off.

I have adopted a similar strategy over the last week and developed it further today by placing a small wager on David Weir at 12/1. I have pictured almost every candidate standing in Goodison Park holding a scarf over his head. Fortunately I have no idea what Pereiera looks like.

Mark Frere
60 Posted 23/05/2013 at 20:03:43

I really think we can do much better then Pereiera and Martinez.

Martinez has failed to do what Steve Bruce and Paul Jewell did before him and keep Wigan in the PL, what is the big attraction? I think its just because his brand of football is pleasing on the eye and victories against the big sky teams tend to stick in people memory. Lets put things in prospective though, Wigans leaky defence has been a strikers WET DREAM for many seasons now-and Martinez has done nothing to address this. Martinez has only excelled when it comes to buying and selling payers.

Pereiera does seem like the glamorous choice, but lets not forget he inherited a good team and has achieved nothing more then previous managers have in his 2 short years there.

The MUST for me is Bielsa, I strongly urge everyone to look him up on Wikipedia, i'm sure it will open your eyes. Where's Ross Edwards when you need him? Ross talks rubbish about most things, but he's spot on when he keeps putting forward a case for Bielsa

Mark Melton
61 Posted 23/05/2013 at 20:37:50

It makes sense that Martinez is not making a decision until next week. First, he has to be interviewed for our job. Everything depends on whether we offer it to him.

John Gee
62 Posted 23/05/2013 at 20:42:06

Mark, you make 2 excellent points

1. Ross talks rubbish

2. He's spot on with Bielsa.

Is it a case of a stopped watch is right twice a day? Or should we look over everything Ross has posted in the past because he's a man before his time?

For those of you fretting about why Martinez needs more time to think about whether he'll join us, I think it's more a case of Ruburto and Whelan trying to smoke out an offer from Everton. I seem to remember them trying a similar tactic with the RS after a meeting in the U.S of A.

Whelan wants him gone because there's a wedge in it for Wigan and he obviously thinks highly enough of himself to find an adequate replacement. Whelan sounds more like his agent than his employer sometimes.

Pereira may be a victim of his personality a little. I'm not totally clued up but, from what I can gather, he's a quiet man. We should have a strong enough set up to accommodate an EPL novice. Every foreign manager, at some point, had no experience of this league.

Ultimately, Bielsa seems like a very exciting choice but whoever it is, it would be nice to be inspired by the appointment

Robin Cannon
63 Posted 23/05/2013 at 20:55:41

@Mark (033) - I would *adore* Bielsa. I just don't think he's even on the radar, unfortunately.

Of those who are on the radar as potentially realistic candidates, Pereira seems the best of the bunch by a long way.

Although I do find it depressingly amusing that the more likely he seems, the more the comments on TW turn to "yeah, he's won two titles and only lost once in two seasons, but he had a good team anyway, so what's he really done?".

Martin Handley
64 Posted 23/05/2013 at 20:48:26

Martinez is beginning to look like a Spanish Martin O'Neill to me always wanting the bigger job, but when offered it bottles out. I've never liked O'Neill, he's always done ok a clubs with little expectation Wycombe and Leicester and done ok in a two horse race in Scotland, but when at Sunderland and Aston Villa was found out, much like I think Martinez would be here. So if anything I think he'll take the Stoke job less expectation and pressure.

Personally I'd look at Pereira, Di Matteo, Benitez or even Mancini with Stubbs and Neville as assistants. The only reason I haven't brought Poyet into the equation is that it seems everybody at Brighton is glad to see the back of him so not a ringing endorsement of the man and his management style.

Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be any outstanding British candidates at this point in time.

Ross Edwards
65 Posted 23/05/2013 at 21:00:58

Right on cue, eh Mark? Well, for all of the Bielsa sceptics, this man plays outstanding football with every team (and country) he has managed. I know he failed with Argentina but International football is a different ball game to Club football. Many of the greatest managers of all time have struggled with the transition from club to international football.

With Athletic Bilbao, he has only been allowed to sign players from the Basque region of Spain and has totally relied on the youth team, bringing through players such as Munlain, Ander Herrera, Amorebieta (signed by Fulham on Wednesday) who have become world class players. They wiped Man Utd off the park in both legs in the Europa last season and came close to qualifying for the CL last season.

I know Bibao have struggled this season but it is difficult to sustain these heights with geographical and financial constraints. Bielsa has a growing reputation, Pep Guardiola said last year that he was the best manager in the world, and what's more he is FREE in June. He is being courted by Napoli.

Now, honestly, do we as football fans want him to rot in Italy, under trigger happy madcap owners?

Or shall we give him a secure tenure, with top class players at his disposal, to build an even more competitive, free flowing Blues that can continue from the Moyes era?

think it would be a triumph for Billy as well, he will earn praise from the football world and us fans for showing ambition, and his appointment would attract investment opportunities, as he is a well regarded figure in world football. Honestly, who would be of interest to Sheiks in Dubai, Alan Stubbs, or Marcelo Bielsa?

I hope John Gee and other sceptics, that you would take this arguement into consideration before criticising.

Kevin Tully
66 Posted 23/05/2013 at 21:07:21

John Gee, very disappointed Rubberrrrtoor has decided to feck about — mainly because this months mortgage money was riding on him. I don't think I can listen to Whelan prattle on any more, him & Bill make a great pair.

I see Solskjaer has come Into the reckoning with the bookies, I have gone right off him, as his ultimate aim is the hotseat at OT — I really don't want to go through all this again in two years, it feels like ten transfer windows rolled into one.

Phil Sammon
67 Posted 23/05/2013 at 21:17:01

Can't argue with Ross on this one. I honestly think we should get a rumour going, just to get his name in the frame. Does anyone have an army of gullible twitter followers they can blag this one to?

John Gee
68 Posted 23/05/2013 at 21:16:21

Ross, it probably didn't come across to well in my earlier post but I see you're point on Bielsa. Recently, I've only watched their Man Utd and it was very impressive.

You mention Napoli, they've made an approach for AVB. We should try to move a bit faster here. Ancelotti has asked to leave PSG, Mouriniho is leaving Madrid and SAF has retired. This has sparked a managerial merry-go-round with dozens of top European sides either looking for a manager or maybe even thinking of a change. To mix metaphors, we don't want to be left with a rickety old chair when the music stops.

Ross Edwards
69 Posted 23/05/2013 at 21:24:23

As Phil rightly says, get a rumour around. This could reduce his odds and put his name in the wider audience.

John Crawley
70 Posted 23/05/2013 at 21:26:14

Anyone not sure about Bielsa, I suggest you go here and download the game that Bilboa played at Old Trafford in March 2012. Now that's how football should be played and never in a million years would you have seen Moyes setting out a team to play like that at Old Trafford.

http://www.fullmatches.net/manchester-united-vs-athletic-bilbao-08-mar-2012-full-match/

Ross Edwards
71 Posted 23/05/2013 at 21:35:56

Absolutely John. I can only count with 1 hand the number of teams that have played Fergie's Utd off the pitch at OT.

John Crawley
72 Posted 23/05/2013 at 21:34:13

Ross I think you should get together with Steve Ferns and write up an article about Bielsa for ToffeeWeb. Lets get this guy some publicity!!

John Gee
73 Posted 23/05/2013 at 21:32:52

Kevin, Whelan started annoying me last season. All his 'real football man' shit nestles right on my moobs.

Is Kenwright delaying this appointment until after Moyes clears his desk out of misplaced loyalty? For all his many faults I can imagine that he's reeling a bit from the unpleasant situation that his 'friend' dropped him in to.

Ross Edwards
74 Posted 23/05/2013 at 21:38:20

John, me and Steve have been championing him on TW for weeks now, but people have ignored us, mainly because as soon as most people see my name on a post, they ignore it. If we want to give him the publicity we need, a wider audience is needed.

As Phil Sammon suggests, We need someone to drop a little hint or a liitle rumour on Twitter. That would get flurries of bets, which would shorten his odds drastically, which would add to the rumours and the attention he needs to recieve if we want this man appointed.

John Crawley
75 Posted 23/05/2013 at 21:43:57

Okay well lets get some twitter address up on here that we can all start contacting about Bielsa and see what we can stir up.

Ross Edwards
77 Posted 23/05/2013 at 21:51:49

A suggestion John. I think tweeting the likes of Paddy Power, Sky Sports, BBC Sport,with these rumours would start the ball rolling. After all, Paddy Power started the rumours about Fergie's retirement and DM's appointment.

Ross Edwards
79 Posted 23/05/2013 at 21:58:00

Oh Steve Steve Steve, please don't mention the words "direct" and long ball on here. That would put people off.

Tony Twist
80 Posted 23/05/2013 at 21:51:19

BK needs to feel some heat from the supporters. He might be working his socks off but what's the betting he isn't. He needs to grow a pair, be decisive and get someone of quality in. We need a manager in place now. Everton stock will go up with a high profile manager and may attract some investment, that's not going to happen with weir / Stubbs / Neville / even Martinez in the hot seat. Are the stakeholders putting pressure on Billy Boy?

Ben Jones
81 Posted 23/05/2013 at 22:02:53

Ross, a player that Fulham has just signed, has gone on to become world class? Dont you think bigger clubs would have got him if that was the case?

He would be a good bet though, but does not seem the type to stay in one club for ages. We need a difference in tactics and things in my opinion, but we need a bit of stability as well. That's why Martinez is looking a shout at the moment, because he will do both.

Still worried about Martinez defensivley though, although Ramis and Alcaraz have been injured for ages, and easily their two best defenders.

John Crawley
82 Posted 23/05/2013 at 22:02:02

Michael/Lyndon - please make this last post by Steve Ferns on Bielsa into an article and put it on the front page of ToffeeWeb! For a title how about - Why Bielsa is the man for Everton

Ross I hear what you are saying, lets find out what those twitter addresses are and put them up on here. For a start here is Bielsa's twitter account - @MarceluBinelsa lets drop him a message and tell him to contact Everton about the job!

Steve Ferns
83 Posted 23/05/2013 at 22:07:15

Cheers John!

Steve Ferns
84 Posted 23/05/2013 at 22:15:45

Research reveals the great man does not have an official twitter account other than the one he was forced to use when in charge of Chilé and abandoned after he left the national post. Hopefully someone can find out who his agent is.

Mark Frere
85 Posted 23/05/2013 at 22:08:24

I think the Southampton manger(can't spell his name) is a good example of Bielsa influence, just look how southampton performed at Old Trafford, caused them all kinds of problems with their high pressing game. This is something which was learned from Bielsa.

John Crawley
86 Posted 23/05/2013 at 22:10:52

Your welcome Steve, I've really enjoyed reading all the stuff you have written about Bielsa and also the video's you linked.

Some twitter accounts to get the ball rolling:

@StellingJeff
@paddypower
@bbc606
/>@Joey7Barton
@philmcnulty (football correspondent for BBC)
@mdunn1982 (head of sport for sun)
@ColinMurray
@CWheelerDM (North West sports reporter for Daily Mail)
@SteveWilson1967 (BBC match of day commentator)
@talkSPORTKO
@mickquinn1089
@neilashton_ (football writer Daily Mail)
@MirrorFootball
@BKL_Productions (Bill Kenwright's official twitter)
@tSPressPass
@iomatrix23 (Marco Materatzi!)

Mark Frere
87 Posted 23/05/2013 at 22:33:53

Yes Steve, Pochettinho is only a student though, there's only one BIELSA!

Noel Early
88 Posted 23/05/2013 at 23:06:25

Bill has said he would listen to the fans on this appointment. If that is the case, why is he waiting on Roberto Martinez to make his mind up regarding staying at Wigan? Martinez, if he had any ambition, would jump at the chance to come to Everton.

Also back to the point I was trying to get at, if you're listening to the fans Bill, the vast majority want Pereira over Martinez, so pull your finger out and get him.

PS. Try Bielsa just in case.

Clive Lewis
89 Posted 24/05/2013 at 00:30:53

Good article about Pereira........

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/vtor-pereira-profile-find-out-1906179

Steve Ferns
90 Posted 24/05/2013 at 00:32:41

Yeah Clive it was very complimentary and you always have to wonder with the Mirror and the their ownership of the Echo and Post, whether it might be trying to sell us on the idea of a guy most have never heard of before. I'd prefer Bielsa myself, but there seems to be few negatives with this guy other than he seems to be a bit boring on camera and away from the pitch. On it he seems to have all the right write-ups, but I just don't know enough of him to get a firm opinion one way or another.

Drew Shortis
91 Posted 24/05/2013 at 09:10:34

This is purely hypothetical, but I wonder how well Martinez would have done at Porto for the past two years and how well Pereira would have done at Wigan if their roles had been reversed? I rather suspect that Martinez could have done a similar job in a league with only one other serious contender for the title (now that Sporting are in financial difficulties). I wonder in Pereira would have kept Wigan up for three seasons in a row and won the FA Cup?

John Jones
92 Posted 24/05/2013 at 09:06:13

yer Clive read it this Morning- Seems to answer the Vitor inheirted a good team he was forced to sell all his best players.

Martinez is a no his record is shocking.

Paul Foster
93 Posted 24/05/2013 at 09:29:21

Drew, why do you (and many people on here, it seems) see keeping Wigan up 3 seasons in a row as such an astonishing achievement?! Before Martinez arrived Wigan finished 10th, 17th, 14th and 11th. Martinez provided three 16th places (very narrowly avoiding relegation) followed by relegation. It is an appalling record: Wigan were starting to look like a secure mid-table team and he reversed the trend and sent them spiralling into the Championship.

It's absolutely baffling that people still talk about his league performance at Wigan as something deserving of credit, given how poorly his results compare to those of Paul Jewell and Steve Bruce on the same budget.

Barry Rathbone
94 Posted 24/05/2013 at 09:34:21

Martinez won more trophies than Moyes

Paul Foster
95 Posted 24/05/2013 at 09:37:59

True Barry. Nobody's denying that. It was a genuinely impressive achievement, but Alex McLeish, Ray Harford and Brian Little all won a trophy too. All then proved themselves unable to do it in the league.

Genuine question: what are your thoughts on his performance in the league and in particular how it compares to Steve Bruce and Paul Jewell? Does it not concern you?

Eric Myles
96 Posted 24/05/2013 at 09:44:46

So has McLeish Barry, would you like him too?

Eric Myles
97 Posted 24/05/2013 at 10:00:03

Why are we waiting on this clown Martinez to decide whether Everton are good enough for him to manage?

Find someone else over the weekend and if on Monday he says he'll manage us tell him to fcuk off to Stoke.

Ged Simpson
98 Posted 24/05/2013 at 10:20:38

When would you bet decison will be announced.

I reckon tomorrow

Brent Stephens
99 Posted 24/05/2013 at 10:22:58

Surely final league position is a better reflection of a manager's ability than final cup position. The latter is over far fewer games, possibly against lower league opposition and where a few lucky results can make all the difference.

James Marshall
100 Posted 24/05/2013 at 10:14:10

Nobody has said that BK or any of us are waiting for Martinez to decide if he's going to join Everton - the decision delayed until Monday is about whether he stays at Wigan and has nothing to do with us, in my opinion. I trust Dave Whelan as a man of principle who wouldn't lie about the issue.

It seems to me that there are two possibilities with our own situation - we're either delaying because discussions are ongoing with an external party. This would seem likely given that if it were to be an internal promotion, why not just promote Neville/Stubbs/Weir etc straight away?

Or, it IS going to be in internal promotion, and they're delaying to make it look as though they're looking externally as well - this would make us (the fans) feel excited/placated as usual, but then promote from within anyway.

The Martinez is a really unwelcome aspect to my mind - the guy has a TERRIBLE track record. Wigan won 6 games a season in the league under him. 6!? And people want this joker to manage Everton? Come off it, he didn't once address their shocking defending during his Premier League tenure, and he got them relegated (finally) which could have happened 3 years previously as well.

He may have won more than Moyes, but he also got more teams relegated than Moyes. The calls for Martinez are utterly beyond me, they really are. On what foundation is it all based? Please help me, because I really don't see it.

Paul Dark
101 Posted 24/05/2013 at 13:25:31

It's hard to know where to begin with the media Martinez carnival. On top of everything else, his teams are dirty. The way he's handled himself with Wigan (will he, won't he?) has also been very ugly and self-important.

This is NOT the man for us.

John Jones
103 Posted 24/05/2013 at 16:05:08

This is translated from ojogo another Portguese paper today :

The entrepreneur coach of FC Porto confirms the statements of Pinto da Costa in an interview to RTP. And thanks to the blue and white club.

Christophe Henrotay, a businessman who is Vítor Pereira said on Friday that the immediate future of the Porto coach will be known early next week. "We are talking with FC Porto and at the beginning of next week everything will be set," he told Radio Renaissance.

"I am very grateful to Porto for being to give this opportunity to Vítor Pereira, so he can think. I can say that everything the president said is completely true, I absolutely agree," he said regarding the interview of the Pinto da Costa RTP.

Christophe Henrotay refused to disclose the content of the conversations. "These are private conversations between me and FC Porto. Guardo them to me. At the moment the decision is under discussion and we'll see what happens. Nothing more I can add," he said.

Ged Simpson
104 Posted 24/05/2013 at 16:08:53

Crystal clear John

Mike Benjamin
105 Posted 24/05/2013 at 18:05:33

Is an internal appointment such a bad idea? For years now many Evertonians have come on this site complaining that youth is not getting a sniff under Moyes. Take Barkley, had a decent game in a difficult fixture at Arsenal then barely saw him for the rest of season. Perhaps if a Stubbs got job we would see more of our own coming through. Surely this is a better bet than a foreigh manager bringing inferier imports because we haven't got the cash.

Gavin Ramejkis
106 Posted 24/05/2013 at 18:11:16

An internal appointment wouldn't be such a worry if the candidate had experience beyond just being a former player. Its a serious job requiring serious experience and proven ability, cut the sentimentality out and leave that to Hallmark, its a business and should be ran like one, professional with experience, track record and ability.

Paul Andrews
107 Posted 24/05/2013 at 18:29:24

Harry Redknapp 2nd favourite at the bookies now.

Declan Burke
108 Posted 24/05/2013 at 18:56:02

Just saw that Paul. Taking out the whiskey and the Prozac. Good night

Richard Reeves
109 Posted 24/05/2013 at 18:38:25

I didn't know much about Bielsa but after doing a little research he does look like a good manager.

Laudrup, Pereira, Bielsa, Klopp and Jesus should be the main targets although I think there's little chance of getting the last two but I do think Laudrup,Pereira and Bielsa are possible,particularly Laudrup who I'm convinced would take the job if offered.

Jeremy Benson
110 Posted 24/05/2013 at 19:02:28

Where did Harry Redknapp come from?!

Surely it's a wind up, hardly a manager who can manage on a shoestring, and I can't see a kenwright-redknapp relationship working very well either...

Declan Burke
111 Posted 24/05/2013 at 19:05:37

Hopefully it's some bookies having a laugh. I see that Lennon's odds have shortened as well. Beware..........

Graham Broadfoot
112 Posted 24/05/2013 at 19:38:28

Do we really want to take a chance here on a total unknown?

He is not well liked by the Porto fans either
Tough one this for Bill he needs to get this right or it could set us back years again.

Ian Bennett
113 Posted 24/05/2013 at 19:56:17

Phelan and Steele have left United, so it'll be interesting who goes across the M62.

Barry Stevens
114 Posted 24/05/2013 at 20:16:17

A friend who has told me stuff thats turned out to be true before says Eddie Howe is 70% done deal.

Colin Glassar
115 Posted 24/05/2013 at 20:18:04

I think ginge will take Round and Neville with him to OT as his lieutenant 's. fingers crossed.

Stu Green
116 Posted 24/05/2013 at 20:34:18

Are you a betting man Barry?... you could clean up at the current 100/1 being offered!

Barry Stevens
117 Posted 24/05/2013 at 20:39:14

Really.100 to 1. Just told the wife. She says whack a tenner on it. Going to hit the bookies in the a.m

Barry Rathbone
118 Posted 24/05/2013 at 20:43:02

Excuse me lads just testing ... keep getting my posts withdrawn from the party political for Moyes on another thread.

See if this lasts more than 30 secs

Stu Green
119 Posted 24/05/2013 at 20:42:36

You could get something as low as 26/1 if you go to a street bookie going by this http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/everton/next-permanent-manager though.. don't want to disappoint!

Kevin Naylor
120 Posted 24/05/2013 at 21:03:56

There have been at least 11 people below 6/1 so far so no one really has an effin clue.

Harvey Miller
121 Posted 25/05/2013 at 00:07:51

Hey, Old Jupp is free now but oh we don't like those germans so much

Colin Glassar
123 Posted 26/05/2013 at 10:59:24

I've been told, by someone itk, that it's a two-horse race between Martinez and Pereira with Martinez being the first choice. Davy Weir and Stubbsy are plan B if we can't get either of the first two.
So forget Harry, Hughes, milky, Lennon etc... They are all no-goers.

Andy Parsons
124 Posted 26/05/2013 at 23:29:44

I laugh when I read people (not necessarily here) complaining that we aren't run like a big business (the new badge, etc.) at the same time as wanting Duncan Ferguson to become the new manager. I read the name Eddie Howe in the newspapers and there is simply no chance whatsoever of the new manager being him. Kenwright already has stated that this isn't 11 years ago and we aren't looking for the next Moyes. He also knows that for the players to have any faith in the future we need somebody who is a proven winner and while we don't have tons of money to offer we do have a strong starting 11 who just finished 6th in the league.