Martinez to hold Everton talks

Certainly won't be the £5M bandied around in the press.

Still, if it is Martinez , I hope we all get behind him and he brings some positivity to the Blues. It'll be good to see a manager smile for a change.

SSN stating majority of EFC fans getting in touch with them are "not positive" about possible appointment.

FA cup winner (so was Bobby Gould!) – sorry but don't want him at EFC .

A week ago, I was well chuffed as Pereira was looking likely. That has all gone strangely quiet now, but I am hoping he remains on the shortlist.

He won the Cup with side costing less than Fellaini. His win % is only 13% behind the last fella.

His free signings matched that City team man for man. He said he sent them out to play without fear : "Sin Miedo. It means "without fear" in English and is the underlying principle Roberto Martinez applies to football.

Rubberrrtooo...oh...oh...oh... .oohhhh.

Over to you Roberto!

Badge Out!

Standby Operation Goodison....to ship lots of goals

Wigan's starting line up in the F.A. cup final cost less than Fellaini!!

He knows the opposition before the season starts, that's got to be an advantage over someone coming in from Europe.

I am sure he would bring in a couple of very good players from that Wigan side, and his free signings have been a revelation. Better than almost anyone in the League for value - this is partly the market we operate in, except we got McRooney back!

Okay, his defensive record was shite, but don't you think Baines, Distin, Jagielka & Coleman can shore up the back? Heitinga is off this summer, and we can probably get £5m plus £50-60k a week wages freed up, that gets you International quality, not a freebie from the lower Leagues.

It looks like Fellaini will be going, and even Neville was earning the wages of three Wigan first team players.

People really need to start looking at the finances involved, and how much the guy can motivate his team to play, will the players go through brick walls?

It sure looked like they were motivated when they gave us a footballing lesson at Goodison!

His free signings matched that City team man for man. He said he sent them out to play without fear : "Sin Miedo. It means "without fear" in English and is the underlying principle Roberto Martinez applies to football.

Something that has been sadly lacking for the past 11 years if you ask me - and he knocked back the shite!!

You can never, ever gauge, in advance, how a manager will do! He could get us relegated or win us the Champions League. (Although it's most likely we'll end up somewhere in between.)

What I'm glad about is that we appear to have picked a manager that actually suits us. No wideboys or slimy Cockney Mafia here. Martinez comes across as a very honest, loyal, quite humble, manager who I think will take up office with the best traditions of Everton in mind.

His sides play good football and we have a better squad of players than Wigan — could be a near perfect match!

His track record proves that, expect the unexpected as thats what Wigan where, sugar or shite.

Well it wont be boring thats for sure.

No point playing good football if it isn't successful, and he can't organise a defence.

Worrying times ahead.

Jimmy Lumsden
Steve Round
Chris Wood
Head of Scouting

With Phil Neville also being mooted as being offered a coaching role at Old Trafford.

If Martinez comes in he has got a massive job on his hands assembling his coaching team, any room for Stubbsy and Big Dunc ?

Martinez's defensive record (NB: 71 goals conceded in last season's Premier League) is less to do with the quality he had at his disposal, and more to do with how good a defensive coach he is.

Alan Hansen ripped his strategy to pieces on a regular basis on MotD. The basics of Martinez's defence: Positioning, communication, tracking runners, concentrating, spotting danger early, defending corners, playing for offside, they were consistently found wanting.

Roberto wasn't my choice, but I do think he's an interesting selection, with some undoubted ability; and if he brings attractive football that isn't naive, AND surpasses David Moyes's record, only then will it have been the right choice for Everton Football Club.

That said, I will naturally get behind him from the start.

Please Bill, for the love of all things Everton, DO NOT appoint this joke of a manager. He'll drag us down like he did Wigan.

No no no.

He might be honest & loyal, but that doesn't detract from his inability to create winning football teams on a season-long basis. I couldn't care less about their lucky cup win this season - the man is inept, and spends every week on MOTD bemoaning how luck didn't go their way, and if only for this, that & the other.

All we need is another excuse-merchant.

Send him to Malaga, ASAP.

'Sin Miedo' - put that on a new crest!

This from the BBC:

Whelan said: "He [Martinez] has 12 months left on his contract, so whoever comes in for him must pay the remainder of his contract."

I really hope he holds out for more than we can afford.

Now I personally have no problem with this appointment. I also believe that ToffeeWeb will be snowed under with an avalanche of posts both for and against in the imminent future; it will be the only story on these pages.

Though it's not, even though it will be huge, we have the small problem of the changed crest, so I hope that we can still maintain our rage and keep the pressure on the club whilst discussing the new manager — it's going to be a big week at ToffeeWeb!!!

I'll be hugely disappointed if we make this move. He took over a mid-table side, avoided relegation by the skin of his teeth 3 years on the bounce and then took them down. Truly an appalling record that looks all the more appalling when positioned alongside the records of Steve Bruce and Paul Jewell with the same financial constraints. Again, his committed PR man Dave Whelan has managed to convince many that he's some kind of Mourinho in the making.

As somebody else said, if he was called Bob Martins and had relegated a mid-table side like Wigan, we wouldn't have looked twice. Kenwright, and others, have been seduced by the "cultured Spaniard" ideal, ignoring the cold hard facts in front of them.

My wife is apoplectic. She had become used to a nice quiet Spring with her husband not in a nervous state about possible relegation and now it will all come back.

Apoplectic thanks to the hoplesslatic

ABM starts now - and I am also joining the MOB if it happens

My biggest fear was BK would dither over the appointment and we would go into the new season with no proper appointment which would have affected pre-season, transfers etc.

If it is to be Martinez lets get on with it and prepare for the season ahead, which promises to be a challenge, whoever is in charge.

The bloke does have honesty and dignity which for me is an important character trait, and why he is eminently preferable to a shitehouse like Benitez.

As Paul (333) said, is his name was Bob Martins he'd be a laughing stock.

1/3 on with the bookies now.

Agreed Paul 333 and James 338.

Sexy football and getting chinned 3-2, 5-3 etc etc..

This worries me no end.

- Some great attacking players signed for Martinez, they didn't cost much and we hopefully won't have to sell them on like Wigan.
- I really enjoyed watching his teams, but yeah..defense.
- You could argue that the good work at Swansea was kicked off by this man and that Rodgers and Laudrup have benefitted.
- He still has something to prove.

And, you know, at least it isn't Mark Hughes...

Yeah, I'm looking forward to his signings and think he will do fine with what we've got / will be left with. In a years time might be more interesting !

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22512770

As someone said above, he has zero defensive know-how and that bothers me greatly. He not once addressed their obvious problems and they got relegated.

Never rated him.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22512770

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22691205

COYB !

A poor start and a bad Christmas period will see all Moyes work gone. Hollow words from players like Jagielka and Baines will not placate the fans, Kenwright will be nowhere to be seen. This looks fucking bad.

However, Kenwright being Kenwright would still sit on his perch even if we are relegated.

I would go and get Lescott back to cover Distin for around £5m, and he can cover left back don't forget, and surely the England back three can do a job!

Next season is crucial for us, I have a feeling it will define our future - fighting for top 7, or fighting with the likes of fulham, villa etc...which is not far away from fighting to avoid relegation. I can not be optimistic right now, I will have to wait and see the badge, departures... and God please different badge soon!

Then how did he win League 1 with Swansea?

How did he beat Everton, Millwall and Man City in the last 3 ties of the FA cup conceding none?

Absolute disaster.

People going on about relegation fights etc with Wigan should look at it from the other side: he did an amazing job keeping them up for so long in the first place! The IMWT brigade keep harping on about how little cash Moyes got/had, well he got more than RM ever did at Wigan. I don't see any players on £75k a week over there, nevermind costing £15M!

If he is to be our new manager, then let's get behind him and see what happens.

As it's all but official I'm as underwhelmed as underwhelmed can be.

On the plus side it sure beats being crushingly disappointed as I would have been with any British manager ( or homicidally depressive if it had been Hughes).

On the negative side it is not in the least bit an exciting appointment or a 'statement' as a Bielsa or Pereira would have been *sighs*

Now I've had my moan I shall back him to the hilt...for the time being.

He won 6 games a season in the league and they got relegated.

The prosecution rests.

Yes Moyes' default setting was 'Defend' — but he did take us from annual relegation dodgers to top eight respectability. Pereira has just won the Portuguese League without a single defeat and he's now out of contract — for me, this would be a shoe-in! It looks like the chairman wants a manager with a proven ability to operate on limited finances and minimal fuss... Martinez wins!

Old Billy lair did say he would listen to the fans, looks like another load of shit from that twat, championship here we come, I give it two years.

I'm officially in the IMWT brigade.

Here the real issue - would you rather finish 6th to 8th every year and be bored to tears or possibly finish lower down the table (but NOT relegated FFS) and be excited about what you are watching?

And maybe, just maybe actually fucking win something?!

I personally can't wait to see how Martinez plays the younger kids, who he brings in, how he allows Seamus and Baines more freedom outside, etc etc.

It'll be a hell of a lot better than the predictable crap that went down the road.

It was either going to be Martinez, Stubbs or Lennon, and out of those three I would have always gone for RM.

Moyes came unproven in March 2002 and look how he turned out. Martinez plays brilliant attacking football; alright, defensively he is not up to scratch but if he has Weir or someone in the backroom staff, that could be sorted.
We have to give the guy a chance. If we treat him like Rovers treated Kean or how Chelsea treated Rafa, we might as well not bother.

At least it's not Stubbs.

Hola Senor Martinez!

Are you mental!?!?

I'm very sorry about your loss - the Moyesiah - by the way, but the prosecution (WTF ??) rests?

Will you refuse to support Martinez if he's appointed?

I'm glad, if it happens, we aren't going into mid-June with nobody in charge, with nobody able to talk to Felli, Baines etc about the plans for the team, formation, new signings? Yes he's got Wigan relegated but SAF would have struggled to keep them up when you look at their injuries last season, truly horrific but still managed a trophy.

IF and it's still IF he's appointed, let's all get behind him, hope Bill and co give him a few million to add to the squad and who knows, we might see 2 or 3 players outside our box for opposition corners next season....we might see Jags develop into an outstanding passer from defence as well as a brilliant defender....we might see us go to the Sky 4 and play "without fear".

That's my view.....better than many of the other options.

Bollocks!

It's all about organisation and he has shown time and time again that he is not up to it. I will be behind Martinez but would much prefer Periera or Bielsa - who knows if they are even on our radar though.

I'd be very happy to see McManaman and maybe Kone, but he can keep his back room staff at Wigan. Please!

We've got some quality in our back four and unless Baines moves on we still will have.

Takes your mind off the shite new badge for abit though!

They won 6 games a season under him, AND got relegated. What is it about that record that attracts you?

How about the regular 3/4/5 goal thrashing they received? I bet those were great fun to watch as a supporter.

I am not a 'Moyesiah' supporter by any stretch of the imagination, I just don't and never have, rated Martinez at all at any point. I don't see anything he has to offer at all.

Perennial strugglers, badly organised, but hey they play pretty football and that's good enough, right?

Wrong. In my humble opinion.

PS Moyes has nothing to do with this, or anything else any more.

Fresh faces, fresh ideas, get rid of the deadwood. I'm buzzin!!! The start of a new era... oh and a new badge!

They only got into the 4th division in 1978. A season ticket only costs £250, and even their home support is dire. They expected to go down each season.

They still won the Cup though.

Martinez, as stated above will send the team out without fear, we might be on the end of a few hidings but I bet we dish some out too.

Hopefully I can be excited by Evertons style again instead of been bored to death.

Welcome Roberto........ hopefully it doesn't go tits up and Neville slips in the back door!!

David says May 28, 2013 2:40pm

Well it's the end of an era, an era of missed opportunity . A constant battle to stay in the bottom 3 is the legacy that Robert has left. we have not in the last 4 years improved we have been stagnant. it is fine to try and play pretty football but the game has to be won in the first instant and we have not done this time and again the near miss, points dropped with the last kick of the game etc. the charade of the likeable man does not reflect the reality is Roberto is not a premiership manager he has proved that. In sum: we have been in the bottom three for the past 4 seasons with no marked improvement in our league position, he has kept our chairman and , fans on tenterhooks for the past 5 weeks and this disruption has caused our down fall. in my opinion good luck Everton see you in the Championship soon.

And one point:
2. Regarding this "have a go" style, he's reputed to have. Great. But he had nothing to lose at Wigan and eveything to gain - easier to take risks. The Mighty Blues are a different proposition with a glorious history and high expectations of top 4/5. Hopefully we'll see more positive play and better substitutions but I think RM is on a steep learning curve coming here (if it happens). Mind you, he's also got a good foundation of players and coaches to build on here.

If it does happen, it goes without saying that I hope he does well. At least it'll have been a quick appointment with a full pre-season to work on.

Also will you support him if he's appointed given that you see yourself as his prosecutor?

I have already asked you this, though you dodged it I see.

Just your 6. Your eyes are not deceiving you.

Martinez: "Jags, Distin, Seamus & Leighton — listen up. We have the best left back in England and the best out-and-out defensive centre half in the Premier League. We have an experienced center half playing out of his skin and a young right back improving in every game. I am about to turn you into a defensive unit that will get us into a relegation fight. Forget everything you have done to turn yourselves into the international players you are, and listen to me shouting my organisational orders from the touchline."

It makes me wonder if some on here have ever kicked a ball.

Winning the Championship doesn't mean anything with regard to performance in the Premier League. Most teams promoted go straight back down again. I don't see what relevance that has?

Of course I will support him if he's appointed – you seem to think I'm, some no-brained ape without the ability to see what's in front of him. I see a man who will quite possibly be out of his depth, but I will back him up.

You won't see me waving banners to get the guy out but that doesn't mean I can't voice my dislike of the situation on here. :-)

Moyes's win percentage in the PL = 42% (Wage bill £63M)

Martinez hasn't been appointed yet. If you are a Pereira fan then there is a bluenose petition started by Martin Armstrong, link:

http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/bill-kenwright-owner-of-everton-football-club-install-victor-pereira-as-new-everton-manager?

If Bill actually wants to listen to the fans and Pereira is under consideration then sign up

Yep...and he can shove his compensation as well seeing as how he's been pimping RM for the past few months.

NSNO...New Ship Needed OK?

That response is kindergarten intelligence at its best.

Are you mental?!

Ohhhh... OK..... so Jamie..... u prefer to LOSE do you?

Jesus James really?

So James by your logic you'd prefer to watch shit football for over a DECADE to ensure the meaningless position of 6th to 8th? Do you fingerpaint by yourself for entertainment? Crash insurance seminars?

Stubbs and Weir can coach the back 4 all they like, but it is the whole team that defends and the whole team which attacks. Yes, Jags, Baines and Distin are not bad players overnight, but if RM is so keen on playing nice football and does not also teach the whole team how to defend, we will ship goals like no tomorrow.

And so he has won 29% and DM only 42%. That is 15 points a season. Wigan were only 13 points behind 8th place WBA. Sounds small 29% to 42%, but it is huge.

"Of course I will support him if he's appointed – you seem to think I'm, some no-brained ape without the ability to see what's in front of him."

I don't think that at all, and I never said anything of the sort. But I am relieved that you have cleared it up for anyone else who was beginning to think that way:) (I can do that too)

PS Swansea did not go straight back down, but went up again to the PL (Rodgers with Martinez's team).

I don't see your point at all? You appeared to want to watch good football, even on the basis that it might mean we lose more games than we win, yet you're poking the finger at me for some reason?

Sorry mate, I'm not getting into a petty argument or name calling with you. Apologies for my flippant 'mental' remark.

Given that our opinion counts for nothing (Bill's bullshit notwithstanding), the reasonable approach is to accept it and to see how he does managing Everton — not Wigan.

Oh, and most importantly... it hasn't happened yet.

Swansea did stay up, that's true. They also won the Carling Cup and good for them - none of that had much to do with Martinez though.

I just don't think we should appoint a coach who's come from a relegated team - a team that's struggled every year in the PL.

We should be aiming higher, IMO.

Quite easily at a far bigger club I would say.

Do you think Moyes will improve his win % at the Mancs?

That's the juggling act he failed at Wigan. Fact.

Assuming he is appointed, every sane Everton fan will rally behind him and the team. Can we please leave the jihadists behind? I've had more than enough sanctimony in the past fortnight or so.

Can't say he was my first choice but will back him 100% if it comes to pass.

I like the man but it can't be denied that his league form at Wigan was poor. Expect some bigger wins and some bigger losses.

Also it does not seem that he has a great record for bringing youth players through as some have suggested. McManaman is the only example right?

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Baines, Jagielka, Distin, Coleman

Go compare...

(his name is Antolin Alcaraz by the way)

He's nowhere near big enough for Malaga but Stoke might suit him better. With us he would be on a hiding to nothing but The Potters would be happy with a more attractive playing style and a safe position. They also have a new ground and ambitious plans for the future.

If he does come to Goodison perhaps he'll bring Kone and the big young goalie. They can keep Macmanaman. He might be quick but we don't want any more little fellas.

I think he will use baines and coleman as wing backs like he has done with wigan a few times which would suit them. Front 3 may help Jella too!

After speaking with a few mates who are big Wigan fans they were adamant Bruce was on the way to bankrupting them, whereas Martinez is very concerned with the wage structure and financial stability of the club (which Billy will like)

If it works and we don’t get a manger that just got relegated then yes protest!!!

What would you prefer, just back and do nothing while Martinez has the team playing attaching football but they lose week in week out, whilst getting the odd win here and there? Then before we all know it Everton are in a relegation battle year in year out and as Wigan just found out you can’t win them all!

My worry is a lot of pretty sides win sexy, great mod highlights, but lose too many. The top league has this most seasons. These sides often start well but get found out.I hope he learns from his mistakes at Wigan. Coleman, Jags, Distan, Baines, and Gibbo just in front will hopefully sort that out.

Pretty but with big iron bollocks, that's the stuff.

Too much focus on his FA Cup win versus his league performance. Yes, Wigan aren't well funded (...which is suddenly an excuse for poor performances?), but more worrying is that they declined significantly under his stewardship - going from lower mid table to relegation battles.

Main disappointment comes from the fact that there are refreshing, exciting options out there. Risky or not, the likes of Pereira or Bielsa would demonstrate an ambition and a desire that a Martinez appointment doesn't.

First rule of football - get your defence in order. Nobody seems to have explained this to Martinez

Will he attract big players? - but he probably won't have a big budget so its about finding good players which attacking he did for Wigan. Its going to be a massive year for Jags to really step up and be the leader

Any mathematician will tell you that you can particularise from the general but you can't generalise from the particular.

One game proves nothing; look at the league table for the last five years.

I agree with you re McManaman.
In my opinion he has the same trick every time. Good coaches will have him worked out already.The lad may improve as he gets more experience, and learn to vary his drop left shoulder and go on the outside.He will have to to play at our level.Good luck to him.

The negativity on here is unbelievable.

I appreciate some of you still believe Moyes would have won the League, Champions League, World Cup, Wimbledon and Ashes if he has stayed long enough, but he wouldn't but he may now he has better resources at his disposal, just like Roberto if he makes the step up to Everton.

If you do come Roberto good luck, you are going to need it with some of the miseries that will be sitting week in and week out desperate for you to fail. I for one think you will do a good job.

What are we likely to get from a Martinez appointment? A man of proven integrity, a trophy winner whose teams play attractive attacking football.

He is obviously ambitious and is looking to move to a club with great potential where he can build on the work done by David Moyes over the last 11 years.

Martinez "Id like to leave Mr Whelan"
Kenwright "We'd like to speak to Roberto Mr Whelan"
Whelan "OK"

means theres something afoot.

I don't apologise for my views....I wouldnt hire a man to manage my business who had just sent his last one into liquidation. Apparently, according to Mr Dunford, this makes me rabid and sanctimonious???

You as funny as them anyway! yes no little players like Pienaar, baines, messi, xavi, just more Jags types players thats what we need. As for RM lets give the guy a chance

1) What are the serious expectations of Wigan?

2) Which players of world class ability would be attracted to play for Wigan?

3) Wigan are NOT well supported.

4) Wigan is a rugby dominated town, hence lower attendances at Wigan matches.

5) Wigan have had their best players, Moses, N'Zogbia, Rodallega, Valencia all sold over the years, what high class players could be bought to replace them?

Now consider Martinez and answer those points. I think you'd notice that he's done quite well.

He will get the job though, and inherit a decent team of course. I just hope he doesn't go too gung-ho and ruin our bedrock of good defending.

I just can't get the 6 wins a season out of my head.

Absolutely right; I didn't trust Bullshit Bill to get this right and he hasn't disappointed me... or, rather, he has!

Keep us in the Premiership

Win a Cup

Play attractive, attacking football

Win “blue riband” fixtures – i.e. Derbies, Cup Ties, v the “SKY 4”

Take us into Europe

So – I’m hoping he’d keep us in the Premiership, but it’s frightening that we’re even considering appointing him when there’s a question mark over this. I think with the players and wage bill moving forward we’d have players that could manage it though.

He’s won a Cup with Wigan, and ironically spanked us at home on the way, which dismisses any “we didn’t get the luck of the draw” etc arguments.

I’ve only seen them live once (Boxing Day this season) and was pretty underwhelmed to be honest by the performance. They were good in the middle but lacked any teeth up front. On other occasions on tele I’ve seen they’ve played some great stuff in long patches but don’t seem to have the ability / concentration / stamina to do it over 90 minutes and I think this is where they lose most of their points. Maybe with a better calibre of player they maintain that sort of style, see games out and also dish out some spankings.

I think, certainly more than Moyes, we could expect him to really go for it in the big games and will get stuffed in some but probably win a few too.

Europe? Well, again, he’s done it with Wigan hasn’t he. Whether he could go as far as the Champions League though, I doubt it.

I’m with Jamie Crowley though. I would rather go and watch a team that attacked, got my pulse going and went for it – especially in derbies etc – and came three or four places further down the league than a defence first, keep it tight and nick one outfit. Call me mental if you wish but football should be played with glory in mind, not mediocrity.

I also think Martinez might look at the likes of Mirallas, Pienaar, Fellaini, Jelavic, Barkley, Coleman, Baines and be thinking “what I would do with you lot….” I mean – even Heitinga who’s been a World Cup Finalist could be a revelation under Martinez.

So….. I was very vocal in the end about getting Moyes out, mainly due to his brand of football and rarely winning games of real significance to the fanbase. I also think Kenwright is looking for someone with a bit of flair this time too, so in Martinez I might be getting what I wished for and really live to regret it.

I think Martinez can tick most of the boxes I was looking for though, so if he is appointed, and given a 50% higher wage bill than he’s used to - and lets not forget a home support of 35,000+ to cheer him on if he does deliver rather than 3 men and a dog at the JJB – then yes, I’ll support the appointment and wish him all the best.

Lets face it – it cold be Pulis or Hughes, Mackay or Freedman instead.

Your right Ross but times have changed, Everton are top six side not a side fighting against relegation and we should be looking to better managers with European experience!

I just hope that in two years’ time, I not writing on here “I told you so!!!”

Rodgers to Liverpool, Martinez to Everton. Young and up and coming is the way forward.

1) Its easy to criticise Martinez because we know his weaknesses. All the people for Pereira do so on the basis of what? do they know Portuguese football or are they just seeing the headline? A few titles in a secondary European league and a fancy name? I will accept the case for him if someone offers a concrete reason for him.

2) Steve Bruce did keep Wigan up but the Premiership has changed over the last 4-5 years. I think the standard has gone up. Stoke, Swansea,Norwich, QPR, Reading have all come up with bigger or similar budgets to Wigan and they have struggled to compete against even promoted clubs.

3) I will accept that Martinez has to lose this philosophy of play well at all costs. This is a results business and whilst its good to have a brand of football that you stand for there has to be an element of Pragmatism and not blind idealism

4) Anyone can manipulate statistics for their own ends, A 30% win ratio for Wigan ain't too bad...

You can play fancy football all you like, but if if the column doesn't read 'W' then it's curtains.

We could score goals and win 1-0 off the keepers arse every game for all I care.

You're right to discount the testimony of just one fan Ross but its hard to disagree with much of what is said in the 'rant'. Wigan did go backwards in the league under Martinez and that worries me as much as their impressive cup run gives me cause for optimism.

Vitor Pereira - no contract buy out - so @2 million saved. This season won Portuguese league by beating Benfica (who were largely impressive in Europe and arguably unlucky against Chelsea in the final of the Europa Cup). He has Champions league experience (narrowly beaten over 2 legs by Malaga who then were so close to putting out Dortmund).

Rumours in Portugal say Pereira has now been offered a new contract at Porto. But so far there is no confirmation that he has signed it. Therefore he is still a free agent.

If BK wants to consider what is best for EFC then by all means talk to Roberto Martinez but he is NOT the best man available.

What we will get from RM if he decides to join is an honest bloke who will fulfill his contract - results permitting - and won't dash off at the earliest opportunity, he left a legacy at Swansea which is to be admired and although he left Wigan in the Championship you have to realise that Wigan is a small time club based in a Rugby heartland who struggled to put bums on seats for the most part and he will be remembered by their supporters forever as he brought them the FA Cup.

Our players are so well versed in defensive formations that I'm pretty sure that they will have an input as to how they should line-up. If the squad at Goodison is as together as is often reported there shouldn't be a problem if both sides listen to each other and then arrive at the most suitable solution.

If he comes I'm prepared to give him a chance and I am hopeful that there will be a greater focus on getting those youth players transformed into fully fledged first team players, of course it is a gamble but not as much as hiring an inexperienced in-house manager.

Importantly for us he has proved solid in the transfer market. Boselli aside. We will have money from sky as well as Felliani and Heitinga. Out of all of the candidates I feel most comfortable giving the money to Martinez. As a club it is vital that we recycle money effectively. Is there any proof Pereira could do this?

You are a hypocrite.

Martinez is prepared to renege on his Wigan contract, and NO MENTION of disloyalty from you, despite you spending the last month accusing 'Devious Davey,' of disloyalty when serving the full terms of HIS contract.

I point this out because I put the (then hypothetical) Martinez scenario before you, on FOUR separate occasions, and enquired as to how you would react to it. YOU studiously avoided replying to this simple 'ethical,' dilemma...now I know why..

The only consistency about you is the predictable animosity towards the former manager. And bigotry towards the Scots.

Every name on here has their pros and cons. Bielsa and Tuchel for me are way to into the technical nitty gritty which I'm not sure would work to well in the 100 miles an hour English league, MacKay done well this season but with not top level experience and Lennon is just not for me. Laudrup has to have a good season next year before he convinces me completely too.

The question that I would like answered is this. With the current Everton squad how many of our draws would he have turned into wins and how many would we have lost through defensive lapses?

Martinez has played for and managed small teams in the UK. This is a massive step up for him and his whole approach will have to change. Stubbs and Weir had better stay around to take the defensive coaching side, because Martinez hasn't a scooby doo in this area.

I hope I'm wrong, I really do, because this decision by Kenwright could have us back where we were 11 years ago....looking down, not up

I agree that with Martinez we know we will have someone who will be here for the long haul

But, assuming he does sign: FA Cup against relegation. Conclusion he's shit. Or conclusion is he's smart. All a matter of opinion. But the debate won't rest there, will it.

I'd prefer Vitor.

But if it's RM, I don't know how he'll perform so let's just get on with it and get behind him. And give him time.

Pereira is straight into the group stages of the C.L. next season. I really didn't see any stand out names after that, and to be honest, who mentioned him on here last year?

Realistically, Martinez was a candidate who we knew we had a chance of signing.

Either that, or an internal appointment, and I know which I prefer.

Ironic, isn't it - apparently Martinez, despite his relegation, is a good manager, who will do well at Everton because he will have better resources* here than he did at Wigan. But Moyes was a shit manager even though Everton haven't been out of the top eight for years.

* a dubious assertion at best

Coulda, woulda, shoulda.... how come nobody on here is a lottery winner with all their insight into the future of something that has not even happened?

If you refer to me in your post I did not once mention his height.Just his ability.

Wigan's record speaks for itself and he never once addressed it = relegation.

Overrated manager and already been found out by being relegated. Jesus, Portsmouth won the cup a few years ago, and look what happened to them.

Fingers crossed he can add to and improve upon what we already have.

Michael Neely. I don't think winning a second rate title in a two-horse race league does give someone better credentials, no. Lennon has won more with Celtic than Pereira has with Porto so surely he is a better candidate than both on your basis?

Internally...let's not go there. Domestically, Hughes, Pullis, Coyle.......there would be uproar way beyond the comments so far today.

RM is a talented, young, ambitious coach. If he accepts the job, I for one think he'll do a damned fine job. Based on what....instinct and blind optimism to all things Everton.

There is a sanctimonious tone to some of these posts yet most remain broadly sympathetic and reasonably wish Martinez well. My concern is that the louder, duller and most repetitive voices tend to drown the reasonable people out. It isn't just a right to voice a considered opinion but an opportunity to shout at others. A playground where the deranged bully holds sway and the writer showcases the limits of his sarcasm

We need to move on, get behind Martinez and discuss the inevitable changes that are taking place in a reasoned way.

He stated he wants to manage in the premiership and can't see City or Chelsea appointing him.

I think it would be Kenwright who turns him down for being to 'Ambitious'. What I mean by that is he would probably ask to many questions and be willing to take a few risks in order to achieve and break into the top 4, a big No No for Kenwright!

Interesting to hear Dave Whelen on the radio before now saying that Everton would be a good place for Martinez to go to?

He also compared himself to Kenwright and his relationship with Martinez to that of Moyes and kenwrights!

So there you go Martinez has probably been identified as someone who will ask no questions and toe the line in return for a handsome salary. Something that the likes of Pereira and Biesla wouldn't dream of doing?

That's my theory anyway.

He too is young, he doesn’t pull the whole team back for corners when trailing at home, he uses modern positive tactics which are based around pressing higher up the pitch, he doesn’t flood the keeper with battering rams like Anichebe in the hope of maybe getting some scrappy knock in, and he wouldn’t have played Phil fucking Neville in central midfield ahead of Barkley and Gibson in a DFB supercup home quarter final tie against the German equivalent of Wigan (Hoffenheim?).

I liked David Moyes - he was a good dignified character who did a solid job at Everton. However, I personally cannot wait for the new manager. If his move to Man U fell through, I would have been gutted if he came back. I would take any one of Bielsa, Vitor or Martinez any day out of curiosity alone. Martinez mirrors a lot of the hallmarks of Klopp. He is extremely intelligent, full of ideas and charisma. Yes – there are massive question marks over his defensive set ups, but remember this = when a good defender is courting premiership interest, who is he going to choose? Stoke or Southampton etc on £25k a week and packed out stadiums, or crappy Wigan on £7.5k a week and almost empty stadiums.

I think this could be the new dawn. The turning point.

Bloke doing 'that voice' - "This time, he has no defence".

Constantly fighting relegation and getting record goals against certainly does not make you a good premiership manager.

Only getting 29 wins in 4 seasons no matter who the club is definitely does not make you a good premiership manager.

Swansea improved enormously AFTER he left.

Extremely disappointed at this potential appointment.

I don’t think it’s something we should get too depressed about - unless anyone particularly wants to that is! There were some names being mentioned who may well have caused mass suicides across the city. Also he may well have the best voice of any of the candidates – that must count for something!

I believe if it happens it will be time to get behind him and hope he’s given a few bob to spend! At the risk of setting off a barrage of rants I am obliged to say feel somewhat optimistic.

Just the We're are Everton, tut tut, you need to be a better writer like what I am.

So there.

. Our defenders are all internationals so don't expect them to just forget how to defend.
If he is appointed let's give the man a chance.

Everton centre-forwards scratch their heads as new manager persistently trys to unpick tried and tested defensive drills.

Whatever misgivings anyone has, he should be welcomed and given time.

That simple really.

Explained in easy to understand terms.Well done.
Hopefully the penny will drop with some on here.

You couldn't make it up.

You couldn't make it up.

C'mon Roberto.

The bar at Goodison has been set at a top 6 - 7 finish. He has to equal or beat same and give us some glory in the cup!

Are you Bill Kenwright?

He will be our next gaffer (1) reasonably cheap after thrashing out compensation - in the region of 1 million probably and (2) this is about imaginative as Teary Billy gets.

Yes, there were tempting targets at Oporto and Bilbao but when all is said and done there is a double plus as Martinez is something less risky and he also is still developing (though further along than Moyes when he slipped into the hot seat), has a certain flair in his approach to the game, and he has a go at the top-4 and does not sit back.

Love seeing Ross (Edwards) being the new Doddy; repelling all boarders who question Kenwright's decision - tongue-in-cheek RE.

RM is not my 1st choice but he is better than the rag-tag motley assortment of internal and fading prem bosses who we have had trotted before us.

IMWT

Right I'm off to feed my friend a pig-shaped cake for her birthday.

Play nice, kids!

I stated my views here quite clearly on Victor Pereira, and I won't be disappointed if it's not him. Bielsa would be my choice, but there you go!

Anyway, those of you who complain about RM's apparent lack of of ability to organise a defence certainly seem to have a point.

Any appointment would be a risk to some extent, unless we managed to get SAF out of retirement or drug Jose Mourinho and make him sign for us.

That is a shame, as for me I wanted a complete break with the past and an innovative, exciting overseas manager who would perhaps have known Everton for the great club we once were and would not have had such an inferiority complex against the modern-day moneyed elite. But...

What I hope we do get with Martinez is a man who at least knows La Liga and the endless production line of technically adept players plying their trade there. I want to see some of those players joining us - they are cheap and Spain's economy and half its football teams are in a mess, making them in theory still cheaper. I then want to see us retaining possession without looking like startled rabbits half the time, fizzing quick passes around, into space and IN FRONT of the recipient (rather than making him run backwards or stop to get the ball). I believe Martinez can add all of these elements and perhaps restore some of the menace of Jelavic as a result.

Now compare that with Dishonourable, Disrespectful, Deceitful Dire Davey: Man Utd and SAF — who not only set everything up behind the back of Everton with Dishonest Davey spewing pathetic EXCUSES for the delay in signing his new contract but still NEVER saying he was not going to — and now they also have the DIRE DECEITFUL one HARD AT WORK at Man Utd on Everton's dime.
Me, a Hypocrite! You fool, you don't even know the meaning of the word.

Welcome to the School of Science Roberto........................

NSNO!

If there was a new manager coming in who we all agreed on, we:

a) could probably not afford him, and
b) he'd probably not want to come here anyway.

There are pro's and cons to any manager who we have a realistic chance of getting, including RM, simply because we can't attract the best, most proven managers.

Can't wait now for him to come in and start making some very astute signings, bringing the academy players through, get rid of Naismith, Heitinga and start playing sexy football.....and not talking about knives and gunfights.

RM's teams don't defend well - and he (poor dear) doesn't feel 'equipped to take Wigan back to the Premier League'. That says it all!

Also: whenever Wigan play us, they feign and cheat - and that is not the Everton way.

Martinez out!

He's committed to a 3-year contract and is walking away after just two of those years, having, like Moyes, indicated that he didn't want to talk about the future until after the season had concluded.

If you refuse to believe this, then go & check their respective interviews given in the last 3 months.

By the way, I have no problem with it; it was you who made a big song-and-dance about 'loyalty,' conveniently ignoring eleven consecutive years of loyalty, virtually un-heard of in the Premier League these days.

I am well within my rights to point-up your hypocrisy, your glaring inconsistency, and your transparent spin on the matter

One manager will see out his contract to the very end...the other has walked. Stop bullshitting.

Tim, maybe you should have a bit more respect for Kevin Hudson and his opinion. He's entitled to it. Calling him an idiot shows you up in rather a bad light. I mean, it's not as if your arguments are original.Your ,rather pathetic, banging on about Moyes using every word in your vocabulary beginning with "D" is boring and repetitive. Moyes. He's left. Get over it.Get your dictionary out and start practising with the letter "M" for when Martinez fucks up.

Challenging and changing times ahead me thinks.

"Moyes indicated he didn`t want to talk about the future until after the season had concluded." — Then talked about his contract before the season had concluded.

"He feels he's not the man to lead us back into the Premier League. I've got to accept what he feels."

Lovely. Just what we need, a manager with no faith in his abilities. He has done a pretty abysmal job of sorting out Wigan's defence in the entire time he's been there. But it's alright cos he won the FA Cup so lets all gloss over the fact that his team has never finished a season with a positive goal difference. At least relegation battles are exciting!

Hey ho at least it's not redknapp, hughes, neville etc. Also just heard the new badge will be used for at least a season. And thus ends the worst month to be an evertonian in a very long time.

I'm overwhelmingly underwhelmed by this. But good luck Roberto and thank you for not being Phil Neville or Rafa the twatter.

ok, so I guess that's EFC paying then. If he's appointed w.i.e that's 2 managers wages we will be paying!

Maybe we send him on gardening leave until July 1. RM not DM.

Mangers don't get long now but I hope he gets time and support.

"If he signs then at least we have a manager who can set up a team to win by three clear goals at Goodison."

If he doesn't learn to organise a defence that may happen more often than we would like. 😉

I'm over the moon about Roberto coming to Everton. I understand why many fans have reservations about him over Wigan's defensive frailties, but we are not Wigan. With one of the meanest defences in the Premier League and solid defensive coaches like Weir and Stubbs to advise him I would not expect our back line to crumble overnight. One of the most common gripes about Moyes was that he was too negative. Roberto has built his managerial career on passing - attacking teams. He laid the foundations at Swansea and set them on the path to where they are today.

I certainly wouldn't have been disappointed if Pereira had got the job, but I will make the point again about how he would have done if he had been in charge at Wigan for the past four years. Of course it is hypothetical, but he certainly wouldn't have won two league titles there! I see Pereira as a much bigger gamble than Martinez due to his lack of experience of British football. He might have been the next Mourinho, but I wonder why Porto have not seen fit to offer him a new contract if he is such a great manager?

I just hope that the Toffee's who were not so keen on Martinez will give him a chance and not be on his back from the word go! I'm confident he will prove his doubters wrong.

As for paying compensation, surely he of all people should have had a "relegation" clause in his contract. lets keep this to a minimum, because we need to see at least 3 names combining in over the summer.

Lets see this settled, so we can get to work on tactics and transfers.

Thank you. Fully understand now. Suppose now it's down to how much BK is willing to fork out.

Balls in your court Bill, how big are they?

Does anyone think this is smoke and mirrors and he's off to Malaga......me neither.

Then it's imwt ( and all who sail in it )

One good thing though its not a dull appointment and Martinez has worked miracles in the transfer market for Wigan. He's still young and learning his trade.

I think even the most worried and concerned critics of Martinez like myself will be still looking forward to next season with Martinez in charge.

This is about the biggest grand vision we could ever expect from BK anyway

It will be interesting (if this all happens) to see if he favours Distin and Jags who are not two players renowned for their distribution skills. I really hope that he does not try and persuade Heitinga to stay for his superiority in this department.

In terms of players from Wigan, I think McManaman will likely be overpriced for a young player who has only had a good half season (if that) but Maloney and McCarthy could be useful if they can be got at a good price (ie not more than £1.5m for Maloney or £6m for McCarthy)

Vitor Pereira anyone?. Come on BK pull your finger out!.

Now he's on the cusp of an appointment at a big time football club with massive tradition who are just waiting for international rescue.

Come on in Roberto and.bring some of those smiling footballing Central Americans with you.

......................

To knock the guy because he has Wigan surviving in the premier league by the skin of their teeth is like knocking Jeremy Beadle for struggling to hold a litre bottle in his munchkin sized right mitt. It's just the way things naturally are when you're dealt such a shitty hand.

Steve Bruce had the luxury of working under Dave Whelan when he was still enthused enough to sink his own cash into his vanity project. Martinez has had to work under a tighter budget, whilst continually flogging his better players in order to reduce debt.

This is a fact the Wigan supporters seem to appreciate...

""He is a visionary. He has revolutionised Wigan Athletic off the field. If you look back to the days of Steve Bruce and Paul Jewell there was the annual fight to stay in the premier league and the club was successful in achieving this aim. But the wage bill was rising, the club was making a hefty loss year on year and there was no emphasis on developing young talent. The club’s survival became pinned to Dave Whelan’s subsidies and sales of players because the wage bill was huge and there was no nurturing of talent. Not a single young player made it through into the first team in this period in the EPL – the last one being Leighton Baines. Under Martinez the wage bill has been brought under control, a much larger emphasis has been put on the nurturing of talent and now if you watch Wigan play at any level there is a consistency in playing style and tactics that is absent from the bulk of British football. Rather than disappearing without trace, young Wiganers are increasingly seen out on loan in the Football league and more and more of them will make it in the game, even if not at the highest level. One of the key reasons why he stayed in the summer was securing a long-neglected investment in academy facilities to promote the emphasis on sustainable development. This will take time, but already we are seeing the benefits and if Wigan are relegated it will be a lot less scary than it would have been a few years ago."

Well said, there's is no one else except Martinez, they're all just sticking fantasy manager names up there, It will be fantasy players next.

He's no mug and he will tighten up especially with the quality of our defense, but I also thing he'll give us an edge up front that Moyes didn't.

I'm gonna give him till the end of November to prove himself, if we are not top 8 then he can fuck off back to the egg chasing pie eaters.

I really hope he proves me wrong and will give him my full support until / if he proves he's a waste of a dug out space.

Ps.
Farting rainbows..... Whoever wrote that its class and I'm robbing it.

What, thats a terrible thing to say Visionary = relegation, if he was visionary then he would have seen relegation coming?.

Now onto my second point

If Jeremy beadle was given a little bottle then surely he would not have trouble holding it? Sorry I misread I thought it said "little" apologies..... ahh litre makes perfect sense.

After a derby win at Anfield you'll all be singing his name!

I'll say it again, he won the F.A. Cup with a first team costing £12.8m.

Remember that semi against Liverpool, I bet we would have won that game if Rubberrtooor had been in the dugout.

The stress in Spanish is on the next to last syllable (unless there is an accent which changes this). So it is Marteeeneth, NOT Maaartinez.

Actually, so long as he brings us some success with decent football he can call himself the Eurovision Song Contest, if he likes.

Not my personal choice - but there was no way we could all get our chosen preference was there? The majority were always going to be disappointed as between us there was probably 30+ possible candidates wanted.

He hasn't even got the job yet - and to some we're already fighting relegation!

If it is Martinez (or Coco the Clown) I will back him 100% - because he will be Everton's manager - and I am 100% Everton. So are the majority of you.

So do the right thing - give him a break, give him and the team your support - as he'll be up against enough odds already (with probably sod all funds) - without Evertonians slagging him.

Whoever gets it - all the best mate. And thank God he'll only have to endure that awful badge for one season.

COYB.

He likes to play football; we have a better back four than most in the league – I have no worries on that score unless he tries to play three at the back but I doubt he will with our back line and hopefully he will get Jelavic firing again. C'mon Blues, looking forward to next season now.

Still got a funny feeling that the saga isn't over yet.

Sin Miedo - It'll be on the scarves & flags before we know it !!

Whoever manages us needs to keep us there with the emphasis being on a top four place. Yes, Silverware would be nice and I know Martinez Wigan lifted the FA Cup — which is something that Moyes didn't manage — but... can we really afford to put our faith in a manager who, after leading his team into relegation, jumps ship at the first sign of a cash incentive?

Where's the loyal, stoic, committed and hungry replacement for Moyes that we deserve?

His record with Wigan on selling his best players with little net spend and low wage budget was good IMO & he won the FA Cup, beating the League Champions in the final despite extensive injuries. Only 39; I'm really looking forward to a new Everton under him. COYB

It is not a level playing field. With all due respect to Wigan but not it's Thatcher worshipping chairman, the facilities, squad, and fans are streets ahead at EFC.

And he can bring the 3 Ms with him too.

Sharon - 816 - ' I use to work with a woman from Ashton and go out in Wigan all the time'.

So, what is wrong with all the hunky Evertonians who flock to the city centre at weekends? You are not telling me that you prefer clog wearing wools to a smartly turned out street-savvy blue boy are you?

Just hoping Heitinger remembers how to defend one day, never mind about forgetting!

If what kevin tully says is correct, you have to be an idiot or some kind of rabid fundamentalist to criticise a guy for managing to get a team costing less than Marouane Fellaini relegated from the premier league....not to mention winning a trophy against quality opposition.

We need a Martinez-type to punch above his weight on a budget and develop our own players. We need a manager to send our our players who generally cost £5-£10M to play against players costing £20-£30M with the confidence that they can and should be capable of winning.

That is the only way we're going to survive and bridge the gap. We were never going to get to the next level with Moyes clearly unhappy about managing with the limited resources the club can provide.

Sin Miedo????

Viva Vitor!!!!!!

I dont know the Porto bloke although what I've heard sounds good. Back to Robby though: I've always been told you piss with the cock you're given, so relegation probably expected with the money Wigan have operated with.

FA Cup? Better than us for the last 18 years, but more than that, I like the way Wigan play football. OK, defense is shite but look at the players Wigan have there compared to ours. They do play proper football and they can win big games. Time will tell... but, if it is Robby, I'm happy with that.

Also my RS brother said Martinez was interviewed but never offered job it was only Brenda who was offered - so why do some think he was and some don't.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2191283/Roberto-Martinez-turned-Liverpool-job.html

I think with better defenders at his disposal we could be in for a real treat with him at the helm.

And he was first choice for the RS last season, knocked them back, so many brownie points to him there.

COYB

Not my words Carol, the words of Top Gear maga...erm...the words of some guy who supports Wigan. Hence the quotation marks.

Lots of small bets on Vitor Pereira who has drifted out to about 25-1 with bookies. EFC Could make a killing and sort finances right out.

Get your betting boots on Bill AND get the right man in. Simples.

He's used to working on a very limited budget. So suits us down to the ground, do you really think if we had money to spend he would even get a sniff of the pies at Goodison Park.

Horses for BBs courses end of......

There is no doubt at all that this is a pivotal point in the future of my beloved club that I have followed for 43 years ( Yes, I remember the good times...TWICE!!). For that reason I take this post very seriously.

Can I make it plain from the outset. I am a fan of DM, BUT only up to a point. I think how I feel about him can be summed up in the FAcup SF against that lot last year. As in so many games around that time and for the whole of this season we should have been taking the chance to win both trophies and more points. For Gods sake this season we should have been out of sight in at least 4th place. But at least DM put us in the position to actaully acieve that.

Now, what Martinez might do for us is interesting. We can assume we will lose Fellaini etc for well in excess of £20M. Considering that Fellaini runs like my granny pushing a shopping trolley in a Supermarket Sweep, that may sound like reasonable business. At the same time if RM can bring in McMannoman and Kone ( on top of our current squad which hopefully still contains Baines etc) thats good business. Who the hell would argue?

And please, can we get rid of these defensive worries. In all his defeats I never saw RM on the pitch making last ditch tackles or heading certain goals off the line. No, he was reliant on defenders that wern't very good. I just don't believe that that will be a problem he will face at our place. We have a terrific defensive set up thanks to the conservative DM. If those guys suddeny start shipping goals left right and centre then I take it all back. But lets get real, IT AINT GOING TO HAPPEN!!!

NO!!! Please get a grip. This guy is probably the best of a fairly ordinary or tested or available bunch who we could attract. Live with it and move on, but for the Lords sake, get behind him.

If there's actually any truth in this story!?!?!?.........

There is no doubt at all that this is a pivotal point in the future of my beloved club that I have followed for 43 years. (Yes, I remember the good times...TWICE!!) For that reason ,I take this post very seriously.

Can I make it plain from the outset, I am a fan of DM, BUT only up to a point. I think how I feel about him can be summed up in the FA Cup Semi-Final against that lot last year. As in so many games around that time and for the whole of this season, we should have been taking the chance to win both trophies and more points. For God's sake, this season we should have been out of sight in at least 4th place. But at least DM put us in the position to actually achieve that.

Now, what Martinez might do for us is interesting. We can assume we will lose Fellaini etc for well in excess of £20M. Considering that Fellaini runs like my granny pushing a shopping trolley in a Supermarket Sweep, that may sound like reasonable business. At the same time, if RM can bring in McManaman and Kone (on top of our current squad which hopefully still contains Baines etc) that's good business. Who the hell would argue?

And please, can we get rid of these defensive worries. In all his defeats I never saw RM on the pitch making last ditch tackles or heading certain goals off the line. No, he was reliant on defenders that weren't very good. I just don't believe that that will be a problem he will face at our place. We have a terrific defensive set up thanks to the conservative DM. If those guys suddenly start shipping goals left right and centre, then I take it all back. But let's get real, IT AIN'T GOING TO HAPPEN!!!

NO!!! Please get a grip. This guy is probably the best of a fairly ordinary or tested or available bunch who we could attract. Live with it and move on, but for the Lord's sake, get behind him.

If there's actually any truth in this story!?!?!?

It is a divisive appointment, but then so is Moyes to Utd as far as their fans are concerned.

Can't believe the negativity based on his record with shitty little Wigan (for whom he actually won a major trophy).

Anyone seen Pereira's record at SC Espinho or CD Santa Clara? Not very impressive at all. But guess what, he went to a bigger better club and he started doing well. What's to say the same can't apply to Martinez?

Out of all the potential candidates, I think he is our best, most realistic option. Better than some of the planks that were linked to the job. I think he would lead our club with dignity and dedication with a splash of sexy football thrown in for good measure. I for one am looking forward to a new era if this appointment eventuates.

Two other candidates? I hope that one of them is Zola; I think he is going to be a decent manager.

I don't think there is total negativity with most of the comments about Martinez. At the moment EFC still have a choice. Many of the comments just relate to the fact that Pereira could well be a better option. As pointed out in several comments all the candidates have pros and cons.

Yes, as you point out Pereira's record before Porto was poor. But he has now proved that he can win league titles and get past the group stages of the Champions League. So he is proven at the top level. Martinez still has this to prove - 'little' Wigan also had higher league placings before his arrival. At the moment Pereira has the better CV.

If Martinez comes in I would back him, but as the board are hopefully discussing choices, then so should we on this thread.

Zola has brought on a good, young, watchable team at Watford. There are parallels with Moyes's Preston there, not quite having the quality to emerge from
The Championship despite the best efforts of a really good manager.

Don't forget that the West Ham board put Zola's whole squad up for sale, save Parker, and began bidding for players without his knowledge.

Scary times ahead but also quite excited for a change (but not related to our badge NSNO).

I was actually delighted it all failed in misery for Watford

Ahh, just had this vision of 39000 blues wearing ponchos and sombreros, smoking cigarillos and swigging tequila on opening day of season. Back under my pillow me thinks.

Wigan were destined to go down sooner or later, it just happened to be this season. It was a miracle that they stayed in the league for so long. He plays attractive footy, and although he had a bad defense last season, our defense is miles better.

By the way, most of his defenders were injured last season and the fact that they went on to win the FA Cup probably was the reason why they were ultimately relegated.

I think he will be a great appointment compared to Delboy, Hughes and some of the others linked to the job.

What did Kendall do before he took over us back in the 80s? Joe Royle was relegated with Oldham before taking the job. Klopp at Dortmund was relegated with Mainz before he took over and he has brought two titles to Dortmund and brought them to the final of the Champions League.

People could give out about Martinez and show his weaknesses but every manager has them. David Moyes was so stubborn and played his favourites all the time. The main problem is our inept board and the way they put no money into the club and have made our new crest into an absolute joke.

Porto will always win a huge percentage of their games no matter who is in charge given the nature of the league they are in. It's like Walter Smith winning Championships and trophies at Rangers. That made his CV look very impressive but when it came to managing a club that weren't simply one of the horses in a two horse race, he was found wanting.

Vitor may well be the man and a legend in the making... but I'm just as sceptical about making that assumption based on his record with Porto as I am about writing off Martinez for his record at one of the poorest, worst supported clubs in the Premier League. (A small club that I watched him take to Wembley in the most prestigious cup competition in the history of the game and take down the billionaires of Man City. Surely that part of his CV shits on any single achievement on Pereira's).

What happened?!

You posted this yesterday under another thread. Again I ask you, where's the evidence? Did you attend said match? Did you see them personally? Or are spouting complete bollocks. And why on earth would BK take HK of all people to Bilbao. Show him the sights, revisit old haunts?

Come clean now.

Fuck me, call Father Merrin. Regan's been possessed again.

Time for him to come to a real football club, with over a 100 years in the top flight of English football.

He will succeed with 40,000 blues screaming the team on. Get behind him.

SIN MIEDO!!!!!

And why not indeedy!

http://www.wiganlatics.co.uk/team/coaching_staff/

So the other one is surely Pereira. There are so many rumours linking him to EFC that at least one must be true. If he has been interviewed then surely he is in the frame.

Jamie 002 - might have to agree to disagree there mate. I wouldn't say taking a league title (unbeaten) is lesser achievement than a cup final win - even against billionaires. Though all credit to Wigan and Martinez there.

Bueno, yo pensé en el trabajo en el Everton y decidí que debía aplicar. Las tazas están aceptando todo lo que mi presidente tiene boca sobre mí y swollowed todo. Davey sólo quiere más dinero para mí, yo no podía creer que fueran tan interesado y pensé que podría terminar en ese agujero de mierda. Aún así, debe ser una buena fuente de ingresos y que puede vender algunas de mis casas paellas hechas, sí puedo ver ahora Martinez Paella, mejor de la cocina española a precios asequibles. Defender, lo que a ti te tienes que defender cuando atacas tanto, además de la elástica se rompió y no tengo más.

The Spaniard is keen to succeed David Moyes at the Merseyside club, and would like to bring along his back-room team Graeme Jones and Kevin Reeves.

And Martinez also wants funds made available to sign some of his Wigan old boys as he sets about changing Everton's style.

He plans to snap up Paraguayan centre-half Antolin Alcaraz - a free agent after his Latics contract expired - and striker Arouna Kone, who has a £6.5million release clause in his contract.

The trickier captures in Martinez’s sights are Wigan midfield star James McCarthy - who is valued at £15m - and play-maker Shaun Maloney, who recently signed a new deal with the DW Stadium side.

England prospect Callum McManaman, ironically freed by Everton as a kid, is also a potential signing even though he is likely to miss the start of next season through injury.

Martinez may have to sell a player to fund some of those moves, with McCarthy - also wanted by Tottenham - likely to be so expensive that Marouane Fellaini, tipped to follow Moyes to Manchester United and also linked with Chelsea, would have to go first.

Everton hope to unveil Martinez in the next 24 hours.

Well, I thought at work at Everton and I decided I should apply. The cups are accepting everything that my president has a mouth on me and swollowed everything. Davey just wants more money for me, I could not believe they were so interested and thought it might end up in that shit hole. Still, should be a good source of income and you can sell some of my home made ​​paella, yes I can see now Martinez Paella, best of Spanish cuisine at affordable prices. Defender, which you have to defend yourself when you attack both, plus the elastic broke and I have no more.

Actually starting to warm to Martinez after that. By the looks of things next season could be like Fear and Loathing in Goodison. Although, this sentence does explain his poor defensive record: "Defender, which you have to defend yourself when you attack both, plus the elastic broke and I have no more". I imagine his pre-match instructions must have confused the fuck out of the back four: "You want us to feed WHAT to a pelican?

Well, I thought about the job at Everton and I decided I should apply. The fans are accepting everything that my president has said about me and swollowed everything. Davey just wants more money for me, I could not believe they were so interested and thought it might end up in that shit hole. Still, should be a good source of income and I can sell some of my home made ​​paella, yes I can see now, "Martinez Paella, best of Spanish cuisine at affordable prices". Defending, you don't have to defend yourself when you attack , plus the elastic broke and I have no more.

He will have a bigger wage budget (for now), he will be forced to sell Fellaini and maybe Baines. Jags, Distin, Heitinga, Osman, Pienaar, and Howard, will all need replacing in the com ing seasons. We need to sign at least 1 striker, and replace Neville.

On a (very) tight budget, the above is a difficult job, and one that could go very wrong.

I hope to be proven wrong, but I predict a bottom half finish.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4945894/Roberto-Martinezs-first-job-Win-over-Everton-fans.html

http://www.talksport.co.uk/radio/kickoff/130522/beesley-porto-boss-pereira-has-spoken-everton-about-replacing-Moyes-198172

So Vitor Pereira

McCarthy yes, McManaman potential but the rest where part of a relegated team for a reason!

I can understand some peoples argument about Martinez working with inferior players to the ones he would have at Everton but at this rate he will be working with half the relegated Wigan team again!!

NO THANKS!!

"‘I would just say he’s a must for Everton. He’s a fabulous manager – a very honest person who plays football the right way, from back to front. He’s just tailor-made for Everton."

Now, despite looking like a less lucid 'Grandpa' Sawyer from the Texas Chainsaw Massacre, the corroding old coot is obviously a fantastic judge of character, able to peer into the very soul of a man with laser like precision...as evidenced by his preceding observation:

""One thing Everton have got is Bill Kenwright, who is one honest guy. I would trust him implicitly."

Martinez must have the patience of a saint to go straight from listening to Whelan waxing lyrical about his broken peg every day to suffering Bill banging on about his sepia-soaked memories of sneaking into the boy's pen. It must be like being stuck in the middle between a more muppety Statler & Waldorf. .

I would take Martinez any day before that.

Still hopeing Pareira made Bill go 'WOW' when/if they met recently!

Maybe it's Bizarro Bill?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcjSDZNbOs0

No need to post if you won't provide a name.

Not providing a name = gossip = silly source = Doddy tease (or have you been sworn to secrecy mate)

I wish people would give names if they want to seem 'in the know'

Remember that daft Pablo fella last week? I have the picture, it's coming soo, wait, hang in, short while, in a minute ............

Why would Roberto 'I'm better than Mike Walker aint I' Martinez resign from a life-time job without having something else lined up?

Someone somewhere else posted that Sky are reporting that three others - all externals - are to be interviewed in the coming days/weeks/months/years, including, and here it gets fishy, another Roberto. The 3rd is called Robert and the 4th goes by Rob.

Hmmmm, murkier and murkier

Why would the 1st Roberto leave Wigan if he was a mere interviewee?

Unless .....

1st Roberto is in a deadly tug-of-war between Teary Billy and Coates and who wouldn't want to be in a Kenwright/Coates sandwich, eh, eh, eh .... ?

Unless ....

Hang on the phone is ringing. Hello Mr influential insider (WHO SHALL NOT BE NAMED) ........

Doesn't look like such a bad appointment when you put him next to Phil Neville does it?

Roberto's the man. Put us out of our misery and sign him up Bill.

This worse than reading The ramblings of Pablo.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4945981/Roberto-Martinezs-Prem-record-was-shocking-So-IS-he-right-for-Everton.html

I'm disappointed with BK as I can't see any reason why he cannot communicate with the fans. I think we would all feel a little more comfortable if he just let us know he is considering or has considered some of those discussed here.

I will back and support Martinez if appointed but Pereira was put on the radar back in December by his agent at a time when SAF was considering his retirement and DM was opting not to negotiate his contract. BK must have been working on this one, I live in hope.

Wasn't accusing you of porkies I hope you know

What bullshit.

His LOSS % is much higher as his team was relegated!!!!

so you are out with Everton players having a good time in a wine bar after midnight and you text ToffeeWeb?
I bet you had to fight the ladies off in said wine bar,you hellraiser you

As I will be - IF - he gets the job.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4945981/Roberto-Martinezs-Prem-record-was-shocking-So-IS-he-right-for-Everton.html

Has anyone actually been to the JJB and seen their home crowd? They play in a half empty stadium, in front of a load of young kids FFS!

They have had literally half their first team out with injury, and he has just won the Cup before he reached 40 years of age. Did you see them muller us in the Cup a few months ago?

I didn't hear anyone shouting for this Porto guy even 2 months ago. Look at the Portuguese League table, Porto & Benfica are miles ahead of any other teams - it's like the Celtic & Rangers monopoly.

Martinez will come here and give us back the school of science, or if you just want to stay up, and don't give a shite about our style, then we can get Stubbs or Pulis.

"The widely-held belief that Martinez inherited a struggling team that simply continued a constant battle with relegation is actually wide of the mark.
The season before Martinez arrived in June 2009, the Latics had actually finished 11th with 45 points — 11 above the drop zone.
In fact, the only time they were involved in a genuine relegation battle in their first four seasons in the top flight was in 2006–07, when they finished 17th, staying up on goal difference over Sheffield United.
They had finished 10th in their first year among the big boys and, after dicing with death the following season, they improved to 14th in 2007-08 and continued the upward trend before Steve Bruce quit and Martinez came in.
In Wigan’s first four years as a Premier League outfit, they managed 47 victories from their 152 matches, a win ratio of just over 30 per cent.
Under Martinez, that figure dropped to 38 victories from 152 — a win ratio of just 25 per cent.
And while Martinez’s teams are justifiably praised for their slick passing game, Toffees supporters will be particularly concerned by his failure to find a remedy for Wigan’s glaring defensive shortcomings.
In his first season in charge they conceded an alarming 79 goals — an average of more than two a game — and their goal difference of minus 42 was the worst in the division.
After a couple of seasons in which they let in ‘only’ 61 and 62 goals, they were a soft touch again as they stumbled towards the relegation trapdoor.
The 73 goals they conceded this season was the joint worst in the top flight along with Reading — and was 13 more than bottom club Queens Park Rangers.
OK, Wigan were particularly hard hit by injuries to defenders, with key men Antolin Alcaraz and Ivan Ramis missing most of the campaign.
But in crucial matches towards the end of the season — such as their 3-2 home defeat against Swansea and the costly 2–2 home draw with Tottenham — the Latics looked almost clueless at the back.
In their last six league games when fighting for their lives, they had 15 goals scored against them.
So it is no wonder they failed to avoid the drop."

There is no doubt that he will have a better squad to work with, and a higher wage budget. But my concern that I keep voicing, is that the excuses for the poor performances are blamed on his finances and squad size. And here lies the problem. The gulf between Wigan and Everton, is actually LESS than Everton to City, Chelsea, Spurs, United & Liverpool. So the expectation already set down is that he will not compete with those teams due to finances? I do agree with some posts above, that suggest he is only revered due top the fact he is foreign. If West Brom's managers name was Stevios Clarkito then no doubt he would be the best thing since sliced bread. Some of the football at the Hawthorns has been great to watch this season. And there have been some stupid posts regarding 'how will our defenders turn shit overnight'. Of course they won't become shit. But if they are playing higher up the pitch, and with less cover, then they will get caught out more and we will concede more. It's not hard to work out. The real issue with our side is not playing more attacking football. I have said it before, you can be as attacking as Barcelona in terms of style if you wish. But with the shooting ability of Pienaar, Osman, Fellaini, Mirallas, Anichebe & Jelavic, you are simply not going to convert enough chances. Scoring goals is what counts, not the style of football. Martinez will only succeed in my eyes, if he is able to completely rebuild the Everton squad, with some serious cash investment. Without that, all I see is pleasing on the eye football, and countless post match interviews along the lines of 'our performance did not deserve that result'....

They see Moyes leaving for OT and replace him with a man who got his team relegated instead of a man who comes with a bigger and better reputation than Pereira.I would be prepared like most Evertonians to give Martinez a chance but I honestly feel Pereira is the better option.

This doesn't make good reading.

Also if he wants to bring players from wigan?? Mccarthy is the only one good enough to get into the team even then is he better than Gibbo, Fellaini or Barkley ?

The last one we bought that I recall was Niclas Alexandersson and he epitomised the reason why I wouldn't want us to touch them. He had all the skills but just never seemed bothered playing week in week out. Just lacked the heart - though he never seemed to have any problems lifting his game for Sweden, especially against England.

Whatever else gets levelled against Moyes, his absolute strong point was getting players to be 'honest' and industrious (not industrial) - even Yakubu for a good while. There's the real reason why Billy got moved on after Moyes tried to persevere with him for a while.

I think this is the biggest nagging doubt about Martinez, namely can he get players working hard? There's an old and well proven adage that says you have to earn the right to play and I think that's the bit that may be lacking with him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoLT_0LH51I

'Defensively, nine teams conceded more shots than the Latics however they suffered from some calamitous mistakes with 17 individual errors leading to goals – the most in the division – plus they gave away more penalties than anyone. Clearly, some of the blame needs to be apportioned to Martinez here for recruiting and persevering with some high risk players of ill repute.'

It seems individual errors may have taken them down, alongside all the injuries. I agree he signed these players, but none were even in the same League as Heitinga, our reserve centre half.

Everton have everthing set great youth system that was never used by Moyes

If he wants to change to much maybe Kenwright say no ???

Secondly the most difficult thing in football is creative play (destruction always easier than construction) –" unquestionably, this is what Martinez brings.

Surely the best of both worlds can only bring better results, entertainment and hopefully actually winning something (which is what it's all about).

In truth this is the first time I've been excited about things Everton for years – go get 'em Bobby.

He should have control of the youth and reserve teams, they have their own set of coaches who all ultimately report into the club manager. After all, they are part of his squad at the end of the day.

"He doesn't feel he has the resources to get us back to the PL" what the hell does that mean? He hasn't got the know-how? Hasn't got the fight? Hasn't got the will? Hasn't got the stomach for it? He thinks it's beneath him? Doesn't feel the Wigan squad is good enough? (his squad)

And also his motto is a big worry "Sin Miedo" - Without Fear - any motto/mantra you have in life should ony use words with positive connotations. He is drenching his subconscious with two NEGATIVE words. WIthout Fear WIthout Fear WIthout Fear WIthout Fear WIthout Fear WIthout Fear WIthout Fear WIthout Fear WIthout Fear! He's implanting FEAR in his mind, and in those around him if he spouts it all the time.

Of course we can all point out how expansive and brave the WIgan team was in the cup final, and they were, although City clearly never turned up. But look how every PL campaign has gone, look at how nervy and calamatous they were against Swansea - when it really really mattered. The one mantra of football today is "Premier League Premier League Premier League Prem...

He came up short.

Moyes got us to 4th once but despite his best efforts could not break the glass ceiling that exists both in terms of getting into the CL groups / qualifying in 4th on a consistent basis.

Perreira and Di Matteo (or indeed the shitehouse Benitez) would have brought CL credentials and this experience might have fed through to the players.

However, the bottom line is they would not get any backing from BK; ergo I don't think they stand a better chance than Moyes of delivering CL qualification.

If Martinez is appointed, the least I expect from him, therefore, is to make us more attractive to watch whilst achieving 5th-6th and helping the club to build its brand and image as a competitive and entertaining PL side.

Perhaps somewhere, there will be a sugar daddy sufficiently enticed to invest the serious funds needed for us to break the glass ceiling.

A "we score 4 you score 3" approach will therefore do for me.

What we need is a leader of men and a fighter - someone who will command the respect of the players straight away. If we can't attract that man from outside the football club (that's what it looks like to me) then I'm starting to think we should be looking to appoint from inside the club.

I remember when Alan Stubbs took the huff and went to Sunderland and the immediate impact it had on the team. I also remember what happened when became back and especially the game he played at Anfield in a 0 0 draw in 2007. He was fantastic - he just held the whole team together. Perhaps he is the right man for the job after all.

I remember a team coming to Goodison in the 1/4 final off the FA Cup and playing three up front!!! beat us 3-0 in the process, now imagine that in reverse, Moyes with his one up front, keep it tight lads etc etc.

If Martinez can keep the back solid, and add in the attacking flair that we so desperately miss, then I can see us moving on, those games that we drew this season might have been wins with more attacking flair and who knows fourth may be achievable.

I hope it works out for us and I truly hope that dithering, dour Dave falls flat on his behind, can I dream of us beating them 3-0 at OT in the first Match of next season " Sin miedo somos Everton"

He possesses a Post Graduate Degree in Business Management. Reminds me of the time I flew into Melbourne, years ago, when I was a lecturer in Bus/Mgt, so as occupation I stated "Lecturer" on my landing card. When I passed that over at immigration, the Aussie guy, with totally deadpan expression, asked "what do you lecture i? I told him and he said (still deadpan) "ah, bullshit merchant, eh". Brilliant. Welcome to Oz. Love those guys. Beats the British stiff upper lip and good manners (as evidenced by the gentile conversation on TW).

I'd rather Pereira and, no I hadn't heard of him until about 2 weeks ago, and am not an avid follower of Portugese football. For me, the fact that he has managed a consistently winning team, and seems to have the right philosophy, makes him better than a man who has managed a team that has been relegated, taken several severe beatings, but won a consolation prize cup (and yes, I recognise that's more than Moyes won in that competition).

Whoever comes in is going to be a risk, IMO Moyes has done a great job, so future success has got to be measured against the yard-stick that he has placed. To me, Pereira looks like a lower risk. If Martinez is chosen, I'll get behind him, but until then everyone's got a right to express their opinion, for all the good that it'll do us.

I may however, be a raving lunatic, as the prospect of Phil Neville doesn't fill me with the same dread and mouth-frothing anger as many on here.

Up the Toffees!

My English teacher used to drill it into us that a double negative like 'Without Fear' is of course a positive.

A negative and a positive always takes the form of a negative - 'With Fear'

But under no circumstances can a double positive ever be taken to be a negative...

...Yeah, right!

Good attempt to engage in debate unlike Sharon!

Surely the prospect of maybe seeing two strikers on the pitch at the same time actually playing as strikers will be interesting this season as, no matter who comes in, this has to happen!

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Everton

Key training ground drill Work on intimidated mentality when playing bigger teams, perhaps by dressing free kick wall dummies as Manchester United players.

Signings Will depend entirely on new manager. Replacements will be required for Leighton Baines and Marouane Fellaini if David Moyes raids his former club as expected. A new striker would be nice.

In their wildest dreams Hardworking spirit of Moyes endures, squad stick together, Kevin Mirallas fulfils promise and new man slots in seamlessly.

In their worst nightmare Roberto Martinez demonstrates why Wigan were forever fighting relegation in his tenure, and team return to lower-mid-table irrelevance.

Holiday reading The New Rules by Ellen Fein. The dating dos and don’ts for the digital generation, Bill Kenwright needs to learn how to play hard to get.

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Dan, that was the excuse rolled out ad nauseum during Moyes tenure.

Everybody linked with Everton is a risk, we are not in the right league for a somebody who is likely to guarantee any sort of success.

Wouldn't Martinez have won the league with Porto?

You can have outstanding staff at a deprived school, who work magic to get the school classified as 'good', whereas another school will walk into 'outstanding' because most of the kids come from nice, middle class backgrounds where the parents do all the leg work for very average teachers. Swap the two sets of staff around and then what?

The only issue I have is using this analogy Martinez knows what Ofsted are looking for - they're looking empirical proof that the teaching is good, which in football is results. He's basically said ' Im a brilliant teacher, let the results fall as they may but not at the expense of my principles '.

Martinez's Ofsted report would therefore be tough to call - he's achieved 'outstanding' in the Cup, most likely 'outstanding' on holistic care of his cohort etc but is now in 'special measures' in the league.

But he has done all of this at a deprived school. We aren't Eton or Harrow, but in comparison I'd say we are an old, big, good, Grammar school that needs turning around.

Could Mr Martinez be the one to do it.....?

I think he, like myself think a lot of people have jumped on the Perreira bandwagon without any idea why. I'm not suggesting that this is you, but a simple explanation to answer Mark's question would have prevented the playground stuff that has followed

Sorry for any offence I do genuinely enjoy the debate as we all do!

Having said all that RM is more successful than me right now so what do I know ;-)

It would be interesting to hear from someone who does know the Portuguese game be this in a professional or a fan sense on here. I know there are a couple of correspondents such as Tim Vickery on BBC who know South America and Balague for Spain, but I have not heard of someone who knows Portugal? Like I said before, lets not clog this up in a personal feud, this site and its contributors are so much better than that!

On the other hand I have been bigging up Martinez for over a year now so go, go Roberto !

Now provided Martinez keeps David Moyes back four together and doesnt try to change to a back 3 as his Wigan team played he might just get away with it, the problem being if he changes to a system the players aren't used too we too could find ourselves in the wrong half of the league.

So if BK appoints Martinez he should insist that either Stubbs or Neville are his assistants.

I have read various things on him and learnt a lot off here and I agree a lot of my reasons for picking him are down to his wins. I also understand that league is similar to the Scottish league i.e. 2 horse race but I think he will be feisty and not so much a yes man and will be a big change which of course could also be a big gamble.

I also quite like Bielsa, I do admit the first I heard of him was here and through reading the about him from links.

I have read your points about Roberto and I as coming round to him yesterday when it looked most likely he's our next manager and would of course stand 100% standby him but I just have a gut feeling of battling relegation and I don't want to go back to them dark days as my nerves couldn't take it, as I'm sure yours couldn't lol. I do feel better though now I've seen the article that confirms he knocked back the RS.

I'm would also be happy with RDM, although I know he wasn't successful with WBA and also with Zola after some info passed onto me here last night.

I did find it funny when someone asked would RB be as popular if he was called George Martins lol.

Whoever he may be I will get behind him and shall look forward to the next chapter.

I think Neville will leave, don't think he would be interested in staying with us to be honest unless it was as manager. Maybe he will take over at Wigan? Martinez has a highly rated assistant in Graham Jones so unless he becomes the new Wigan manager I would guess Stubbs and Weir may have to make the decision as to whether they want to stay in their roles or leave. I am clutching at straws here, but one impression I get of RM is that he is the sort of character who it would be easy to work with for the staff he will inherit. I couldn't imagine the ex pro's hanging around if a more abrasive character come in, and that would be a shame I think. Love the analogy Mark btw.

I am not sure about Zola Sharon. I think it is because of the massive advantage the ownership of Watford has offered him (loan market). Makes him a little hard to judge as to whether he is lucky or genuinely good for me.

Having said that, I think most of us would draw a line at the circus Sam Allardyce created round with him at Bolton and Blackburn, I understand he had up to 18 lieutenants!

Ideally in a few years and after he's managed (and done well) in the lower leagues, I would love Big Dunc to be our manager - but not now.

I could handle RM's appointment but with some of our boys still on board to help.

Wouldn't mind getting on our hands on some of the team DM binned off from Man U as well though and not sure I'd have swapped them for Mr. Round.

If Martinez had not won the FA Cup, would anyone be advocating his appointment as an Everton manager?

Is that sufficient to make him a plausible candidate?

I have serious concerns about his ability to take us forward.

http://www1.skysports.com/watch/video/8741355/kenwright-to-meet-martinez-in-next-48-hours

I seem to recall reading (on this site), immediately after the cup presentation, his wife was interviewed (off the record) and she let slip (?) "his next job was Everton" [sic].

Why?

That contract is money that would be given to Martinez over the next year - not money that Wigan are due.

If we are buying their asset they they are, of course, due compensation...but what does that have to do with his wage?

And if he's already quit - then surely we don't have to pay a penny for him.

Fer claims that Everton have remained in contact and that he could still make a move.

Fer told Volkskrant: "Everton has done nothing wrong.

"During the second half of the season, they have always kept in touch with my agent. I'm still always open for a transfer to Everton."

Be more speculation - lots more I'm sure until 31st Aug.

I too asked that question. Richard Dodd replied, see post 729.

If EFC or RM are unwilling to negotiate a settlement (akin to a transfer fee), then Wigan can sue for breaking of contract. RM was on a rolling contract, so I think it's usual for some sort of settlement to be agreed. Legally not sure how it will stack up in court.

Strange comparison to a certain ManU manager. Who technically did not resign but chose to run down his contract, thereby still being able to collect his salary until 30th June, yet still having 2 jobs with 2 different clubs. Both feet in both camps so to speak.

Comes on here wild-gozzy-eyed and has a great gift of not following up (although to be fair, we did have that 'any minute now' stuff on the other thread again and again) on invitations to say more.

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BIELSA !!!!!!!! No contact from Bilbao because he is coming here. Kendall and Kenwright at the game on Sunday. The last game at the old stadium San Mames and the Los Leones have still yet to contact him. I told you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cojones, I say, 100% huevos.

And any decent Spaniard would be eating tapas on pavements at 10-22PM at the end of May not tapping mierda.

Anyway lads and lasses (lasses please, I have noted an unfortunate trend on here to refer to lads alone when we have in fact at least two chicks, sorry girls, sorry women on here) Paolo Hogerio is actually Bert Hood who lives in a Canny Farm bed-sit.

His likes include canned spaghetti, 80s diva Sheena Easton, writing on faded wallpaper, classic 50s 'health and Efficiency' 'porn', and the show Benson.

Mr. Bert Hood is fanatically out of favour with any sort of human rights and has protested against any notion of equality of gender and had a Fanta/Baileys to celebrate the 100 year old anniversary of the killing of a suffragette by the king's horse.

He taps on a 1997 computer always in big white undies and a '78 kit with Pearson on the back.

Will the real Hogerio/Hood please step forward

Paulo....

I think he is A spotty 16yr old who not only talks gibberish nonsense but is RS as well. Anyone who says BK and HK where in Bilbao together has gotta be sectioned under the mental health act.

Also Cany Farm - don't you mean Stockbridge Village lol.

your getting into the swing of things on ToffeeWeb now.
Dont take it too serious,some of them on here will be cracking up the way they behave :)

Have no desire to upset you but could you stop using text speak. I do not use text speak so please explain what lol is all about. You seam to use it frequently in your posts.

It does clearly state when posting do not use text speak.

Again no upset intended.

If you'd have said ladies I would have said, in my case, that was a nasty rumour

You married? How old are you? Can you cook?

This is getting embarrassing and cringeworthy. Just get her number and conduct your liaison off line.

Thanks for that. Learn something new everyday. Strange times we live in.

Steve 394 - sorry force of habbit - it means laugh out loud, although mostly means made you smile.

Paul 356, a young looking 42, not married and can't cook bores me stiff ha ha. So what can I say - failed!!

It will always be known as the farm.

You make me smile is a lot better than laugh out loud.

Like you I'm new to this. Joined/signed up because of the crest debacle. The straw that broke the camels back syndrome. Just couldn't stay quite any longer. After years of frustration and listening to "knife to gunfight" or was it bun fight excuses, the Wigan performance and "it was just one of those days".

The constant lies and ineptitude ......god I could on and on.

Anyway this is a good way of releasing my negative energy and there are some characters around the site, Eugene makes me lol ( there you go). I have yet to have a really good rant but no doubt it will come (if PN gets the job say).

"...the whole sorry episode is symptomatic of the “Carry on Kenwright” debacle that has been in full swing ever since the day an unsuitable owner struck a Faustian pact with a known tax avoider and secured the financial backing to make one of his many harmless delusions a dangerous reality"

Ok, as a diversion, who'd play who?
EJ Ruane - take it away, man

And Sharon - you don't do ironing, by any chance?

I was right behind Pereira before I read earlier today the RM-Strengths and Weaknesses analysis and was more than impressed. Showed it to two fellow Evertonians and we all thought it presented a great CV for him and if he is to be our man I’ll be more than happy to run with him.

It’s hard not to be impressed with how much the Wigan fans like him and his brand of football despite their relegation and didn’t want him to leave.

Personally I now have a dilemma. Would I still prefer Pereira over Martinez? The answer is I don’t know. So I am now going to sit back and leave the decision to Bill in the belief that on this matter he will do the right thing.

Sin Miedo!

Steve 446 it's nice to know other's have concerns too and this site shows that. I admit whilst DM here I just sat back as liked to believe nice and stable and all the RS jokes of nose bleeds not use to being this high in league etc. had stopped and I was in a place of being content to finish top half. I shouldn't have but just don't want to go back to relegation battles so I've been too complacent.

I was disgusted over Kings Dock and so against Kirkby but again kept telling myself BK's a blue so surely Everton won't end up like Leeds, Blackburn etc etc as he thinks too much of Everton and fans etc but now time to realise can't keep living in cloud cuckoo land and coming on here proves the concerns that niggled me are very worrying.

Reminds me, outside the M&S in Henry St Dublin a few years back, some Romanian feller tried to sell me a bigger shoe.

In fact he was trying to sell everyone bigger shoes.

After a second looking baffled, I saw the mags in his hand.

"Ohhhh...fuck, I thought you were saying...er no thanks".

By the way, the only time I ever buy a copy is when I can see they only have one left.

Then I get to do my gag - "That's your last one, you'll be able to go home n...well..er...you know what I mean".

http://www.wearysloth.com/Gallery/ActorsH/7656-2994.gif

Ged 448 thanks for the advice - much appreciated.

Phil 450 nope sorry - don't do ironing it's on the same lines for me as cooking - bores me stiff.

Ross - I do hope so and will take any advice going ha ha

Is it a comedy, a tragedy or a farce? Whatever, BK has to play himself!

Steve - agreed, top actor

EJ - "Whiteman speak with forked tongue" - "Ah do norrr!"

I give you : Paul "Touchy" Tyrrell - Hattie Jacques

Eugene Ruane, 6' 4", blue eyes. Likes: Long walks in the country, french cinema, good wine, Charles Bukowski. Dislikes: Rudeness, child cruelty, animal cruelty".

(the Bukowski bit's true though)

Now gents, can we all take a deep breath and calm down. It's like someone's dropped the equivalent of catnip on the site.

New manager.... new crest..... remember......?

(Clicking fingers in front of eyes..... no I think we've lost them.....)

Likes: walking in the rain, Jacques Brel, Francose Hardy, Alexandra Bastedo, Sunday mornings
Dislikes: kopites, Wetherspoons' bar staff, professional Scousers, Pot Noodles

Steve Bell, age not too sure, Mediterranean looks, ( still looking for father),
Occupation artist, can cook, can iron ( not frilly bits though ), no money, supports the underdog. Dislikes politicians, bullshitters, bankers, estate agents, injury lawyers.

I was in a pub in Liverpool when Roberto and Mrs Martinez came in - after their car had appently broken down nearby.

We got talking about Everton and (in the manner of DM's famous "you won't go down" promise to BK when he joined) Martinez said to me and the rest of the crowd "I will get you a Champion's League place". He said it with such intensity and sincerity that I beleived him totally!

Sid you're right - I'm taller than Tom Crusie.

Ross big Dunc - sacrilege ha ha

Doesn't she run an animal sanctuary now?

Getting back to reality(?) It has to Bielsa from Bilbao, my choice. Then we can have a BIB and BOB.

Very funny guys

Yes, I have a super iron that spouts super steam cost £199. They said it would do the ironing for me... worth a punt I thought.... I was conned, I have to move the iron up and down... bastards!

Brian I use to have a cousin who lived in WoodFarm Hey before moving to Huyton.

Anyway by RDM I assume you mean Di Matteo and I had him as my second choice (after Perreira). Someone said he did a bad job at West Brom but actually he got them promoted (after doing a fine job at MK Dons) and was sacked prematurely. They tonked us 4-1 at Goodison I remember and we actually didn't play that badly - they were very good.

My numero uno would have been Perreira, but if Bob Martins is to be our new gaffer, he gets my full backing.

Sharon
Although a South Ender (L8), I once kept goal in a 7-a-side match in the bar of the Eagle & Child

I have a feeling one or two Moyes supporters could describe you using just one word.

Amit thanks, I did a pilon fracture to the tib and fib in December and still not sorted now - nightmare - was suppose to go to GP Boxing day but was in hospital all Christmas and New Year - won't bore you with all details. Got scan results tomoz so if all okay they start weight bearing again.

Yes I did mean Di Matteo and I wasn't keen due to West Brom etc but obviously after Chelsea etc makes it more appealing and I think the way he carries himself is suited to us but I don't think BK would find him a pushover eiher.

I don't understand why they won't tell us who they're considering, is this cause it may be an internal appointment?

If it is RM i'll be behind him 100% as I will be behind anyone who's chosen.

Ross, Childwall, you must be a posh scouser! LOL

Ross Childwall nice place to live also I wouldn't want to upset Mr. Dodds so I'll just stick to referring to him as DM in future ha ha.

I don't like the look on BK's Kipper I think RM may have turned him down.

Eagle & child is no longer there now, it went years ago.

Hard to tell anything from RMs body language.

Wanting a solution big time now. Hopefully by the end of the week????????

Chill out mate

Even people who normally rant the night away are sickeningly polite and courteous on Sharonweb!

I'll maybe leave things to the single and divorced and check back in a week or so for news on the new manager!

Sin Miedo!

This could get very messy, the last thing we need is someone being appointed thinking they were fourth or fifth choice.

This is why you should've at least a semblance of a succession plan in place Bill. It's here weeks now FFS!

That last little rant...was that brought on because BK and RM weren't smiling when leaving a hotel?

Just clarifying...

Not sure why Stoke are after Hughes or could he have a possible interview there as well - who knows.

This ones going to run.....!

Getting back to the subject (that was)under serious discussion,perhaps the executioner could do a blog similar to the Roberto piece on Perreira.
It might help Bill decide.

If Martinez was to be the chosen one and was spoken to at any length before his meeting with Dave Whelan yesterday then I would have thought that the meeting today with BK would have largely been about dotting i's, crossing t's............ and thus we would have an announcement of a new man at the helm.

Was the main reason that Martinez resigned due to feelings that he felt he had let Wigan down?

I agree there. My first thought was that he looked a wreck. Say what you like about Kenwright - he exaggerates, he lies, repeatedly fucks up, annoys the hell out of every fan...but he does usually dress ok.

Eugene, I used one word to describe Ross and got banned for a week.
Seeing that this is now a Dating Site...

Ray Roche, 5ft 11ins, honest, not lost any hair, it's all here, in a box, currently working as a missionary in N Wales, leaves three tracks in the snow, favourite chat up line, "Ere love, does this cloth smell of Rohypnol to you?" Never fails.
Without Rohypnol I'd still be a virgin.

Don't worry Sharon, he's known for his U-turns, give it ten minutes and he'll be hammering on your door with his hair slapped down and a large box with the word 'Chocs' on it.

Squad strength was an issue at Wigan and unfortunately we don't enjoy that luxury thus far either. We all witnessed the fiasco at Leeds and Moyes had no choice but to play his best eleven at Cheltenham. It took fan pressure I honestly believe to shake his attitude up.

RM needs to know and understand that forsaking cups for the sole aim of chasing a higher position in the Premier League is in my opinion a no-goer at Everton, others beg to differ-fair enough!

Yes, it all came together in the cup for him and he finally fielded his best 11 at Goodison, much to our chagrin, but nevertheless on a wet windy November night away at a Championship venue fielding less than your best won't sit well with me for one, if we lose and I hear his words.... "We played well but..." Hasta la vista baby. That simply won't wash for me.

"Still wondering who his new manager will be... should find out shortly."

And then Seamus drove a perfect cross to Shane Long for 1-0!!!!!!!

Kenwright doesn't seem to care who see's him knocking around though - a bit different to when he had his meeting with Moyes.

When you add that in with him looking like a bit of a tramp is he trying to tell Whelan and Martinez that this isn't the big handshake, it's just a meeting, and there's plenty more fish in the sea.

Whelan see's photo's and thinks 'bugger.... maybe I'll take a million after all......'

I'm breaking my resolution by worrying about this!

Going back to trusting in Bill and expecting a good outcome!

Eugene: I was wondering who'd left them outside the door.

Richard: thanks for the chocs

Thanks Phil - that answers that one! :)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2332687/Roberto-Martinez-meets-Everton-chairman-Bill-Kenwright-London-talks-Goodison-Park-move.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

Part of it states:

Whelan told BBC Radio 5 live on Tuesday afternoon: "Roberto has resigned. We are going to release him." However Wigan later released a statement saying Martinez remained their manager but had been given permission to talk to another club.

So maybe BK right with no favourite yet!

None of this is your fault but as you can gather there are some desperate men on the site some of whom are posting from their high security cells and are clearly not being properly monitored,!

To answer your question, he would have kept them out the bottom 3, but wouldn't have won the cup. He is better organised than the bottom 5, so I'd reckon, his defensive strengths would keep em up.

Kenwright left earlier. Martinez stayed and left later because he is at Wembley tonight.

Kenwright looked pretty untidy and exhausted in the couple of photos we've seen. Some suggest this is because talks didn't go well. I personally believe that talks went so well that they ended up engaging in several hours of passionate love-making. Kenwright looked as though he had given it his all. Its all you can ask I guess.

They met in a central London Hotel for lunch. BK left at 3pm looking pretty cheesed off in the photos and Martinez left at 5pm (although he's apparently staying at the hotel) at 5pm.

Read in to all of that whatever you like. At this time no one really knows!

Ever considered writing for Mills and Boon?

Sid 600- oh okay then
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What's the name of that hotel again!!!

He is far too good a player for the Championship, plus if we sold Fellaini we would still be left with c.£15m to spend.

Watching him tonight and he is the best midfield player by some distance.

How painful does it have to get before we start feeling good about the club again?

Sorry, Sharon, that's a joke at Paulo's expense.

Preston?

I use to think that him being a blue made us safe. It's only last few years I started to realise things amiss but with DM keeping us in top half I sought of blanked it out. If BK makes a mess of this appointment, that will be the end of him with all fans and I think end of him at Everton.

I have read your post twice and cant see the relevance to my question of how Preston have done seen Moyes left.
Sorry cant help you there

Sorry Sid, I hadn't noticed your reply. Thanks mate.

Martinez managed a club, around the relegation spots, on a relegation budget, perking up in the Spring. He won/fluked the cup by beating us and city, and had a fairly easy route through with other games like Bournemouth, Millwall, Macclesfield and Huddersfield. He's got the silverware, no one can take that away, it just makes our cup exits even more depressing. He beat 2 decent teams in a season and got relegated. Nil satis, he's not even close.