Blue Union meeting at The Casa

Keep cool... keep cosmic... keep Blue.

We'll look out for a recorded version and put it up if we can.

Rolls eyes, shakes head.

You are on a wind up right? How many fixtures did he play for Everton after that incident?

Money never motivated him and he seems to me to care about the club. We have many transient employees but Neville Southall is not one of them.

Steven #249, if you had seen it, I suspect your view on Big Nev would now be different. He clearly does love the club, and the supporters in particular, and made some interesting, honest comments, especially about lack of ambition and people at the club being happy about settling for 6th place.

It was unfortunate that he made a trademark put down of a young guy wearing an Italy shirt, it was very witty but it was poorly timed given the guy had just spoken passionately about the club. Whoever he was, he was one of the younger members in the gathering and I would hate to see his enthusiasm dimmed.

Dave Kelly and Colin Fitzpatrick spoke with eloquence and knowledge, most of the information put forward being matters familiar to followers of this site. The great challenge is to channel the energy that is being generated into change at the club.

On my way home, the thoughts that were coming into my head were the huge sums of money involved: £50M... £125M. They just seem massive, then I think that they probably only equal the wage bill for a year.

Well done on a good meeting, gentlemen, and to a passionate and respectful audience. This was no disorderly mob.

He basically said that he – along with most Evertonians – is fed up of accepting mediocrity and being made to think that finishing outside the top 4 is acceptable. He doesn't give a damn about what the club's hierarchy make of him and he won't be told what to say by them like certain ex-players we all are.

The best quote of the whole afternoon was "You've [us fans] been made to think finishing 6th is great. Is it fuck!"

Southall is a real Everton legend. Engages with fans, speaks his mind when he wants to, and won't accept BS from the people running the club. Honoured I got to meet him and shake his hand. A True Blue he is.

But I think both the Club and I would agree with on one point you made: he is definitely not a "true club man" — and, forgive me, but I think that's a good thing!

Anyone like me who is say 40 or older will no doubt take a sharp intake of breath, read the thing for a second time to make sure that that was what it said, roll their eyes, shake head from side to side in a general air of sadness for poor misguided Mr Telford, and wonder at the sheer audacity and shamefulness of this insult levelled at one of say three or four true great Evertonians of the last four decades or so.

And, yet again thanks to Paul (262) – a true blue who made his way to the Cassa - reminds us that our favourite ex-binman who served us for a mere 17 years and played a mere 578 games has Everton at the plum centre of his heart and, to caap it all, is one of handful of true blue ex-players who put their heads above the trenches and question what is going on at The Old Lady in caring and constructive ways.

Shame on you, Mr Telford; get some respect for a true blue legend (your sad little Bosman swipe was utterly mean and disrespectful).

It would be lovely to hear a recording MK if you can get your blue mits on one. I would be all ears to hear about ongoing attitudes towards Teary Billy and his penny-pinching cronies on the board in the wake of the recent hot-seat appointment.

Sorry if people experienced technical issues with our stream via ToffeeWeb; we will try and get a report out in the coming days.

Either way, glad it went well.

"I don't see the guy a true club man."

The most decorated player in the Club's history; the player with the most Everton appearances; and, with Dean and Ball, one of three best Everton players ever?

I think he qualifies as a true club man.

The room was very dark; we will try our best to get something from the other camera and edit some bits for next week, and certainly we have hundreds of photos to post via Facebook.

Our group of young people worked hard to keep it going all day — it was long and hot day... but, like McMurphy said, "Well, I tried, didn't I? At least I tried."

Thanks to The BU and Neville Southall — a great day. If in future we wish to do live broadcast, we have to think of the venue. But a great day and a good effort by the young people from Yellow House.

Now you know why I believe Martinez is not good enough & why I'm angry when I hear Jags say "When Man Utd come calling, you don't say No". We're Everton & anyone who doesn't understand that can support someone else.

If we the fans don't believe that we are the biggest club in the world then who the hell is going to? We're Everton & bow to no one! Well said Nev, 6th is not a acceptable!!! (And no, I'm not a BU supporter, but I am Everton through & through.)

Southall played over 500 games for us. If he had been English, believe me he would have been ever present in the team.

I doubt there is a person alive who saw Dixie Dean at his prime. Since Dean, can you name one Everton player who you could say was the greatest in the world in his position during his career?? I can think of only one — Southall.

We've had some fantastic players; as a lad, mine were Young and Vernon but even they pale with Southall and his standing in the world during his peak.

Neville was pissed off with a lot that was going on at the Club during his "sit down". I was there and couldn't understand what was going on at the time. Believe me, he wasn't so much interested in himself but more so in the Club.

You can say what you want about Southall but never question his commitment to Everton Football Club.

I know some people will say that he should have kept it in the dressing room but I have had the privilege of meeting the big man at a dinner and he is certainly an oddball character. However, the one thing he most definitely is, is a died-in-the-wool blue who I believe if asked would die for the cause (might be slightly over the top) and has only ever had the best interests of the club at heart.

Definitely a strange character but without doubt a great Evertonian.

Good on ya, Nev.

I'm not disagreeing or agreeing with this, but it is an indicator (to me) of how, certainly in the media, things have changed over the years.

(not making a big deal, simply an observation).

I can remember the 1970 World Cup fairly well, but the first World Cup that I remember regarding punditry, panels and ex-players was 1974.

ITV went for it big-style

Jack Chartlton, Allison, Clough, Doogan, Crerand, Docherty, fellers who were all big personalities and had no time for saying stuff just to please some sports producer.

They would argue, bitch, moan, critcise without a care in the world.

Some (viewers) loved them some hated them, they didn't give a toss either way.

They were, to coin a cliché, 'their own men'.

Now things in football are different.

Now it's an exercise in speaking without saying anything.

Players after game say nothing.

Managers before the game say nothing.

'Experts' on MOTD say even less.

So now on the odd occasion (some) people hear an opinion expressed without fear, the response is often 'Wow, guess what X said!"

Mourinho would have been great on those panels, so would Nev, can't think of many under 40s 'in the game' who would offer much in the way of entertainment or insight though.

(I know I know - 'shut up arl arse!')

Italian TV can occasionally produce a good kick-off; and if a decent, and genuine, argument breaks-out in a panel, in place of Jamie Redknapp attempting to manufacture some 'energy,' and faux-debate, then I'd be interested.

I can listen to the likes of Gabriel Marcotti, Guillame Balague & Rafael Honickstein, and I'd definitely tune-in if the punditry line-up was say, Marcel Desailly, Ian Holloway & Roy Keane - that would be lively.

Big Nev himself would make an excellent pundit, but I very much doubt the squeaky-clean TV corporations would welcome such a maverick. We've been conditioned to regard those who are, to use a classic TV cliche, "out-spoken," essentially as cranks.

Southall is just a bitter man, clearly someone Dave Kelly can associate with as they both want to fight the capitalists. Let's hope the club ban Southall also; he is not important anymore. Like all ex-players, they add no value, they put no money into the club at all. History, all of them – simple as that.

That put-down was part of Nev's comedy stand-up, and I don't think the young lad was too put out. To be honest I thought the questions from the audience were largely superfluous, talking about democracy in the club etc. I'd much rather have heard Nev's thoughts about the current team, and stories from his days. But each to their own.

Too many questions would've been better directed at Colin or Dave. But I guess it wasn't an event to talk about the past. Each to their own.

That was actually a point rather forcefully made by Mr Southall. Shame the feed wasn't up so you could see it..

Having watched some of their analyses on YouTube, for me, the best punditry is found on RTE in Ireland. Maybe Irish ToffeeWebbers could tick me off or give their view on them. On the panel is Eamon Dunphy, who is never afraid to speak his mind, he says things (sometimes totally ignorant and stupid) that would get him the sack on the Beeb or Sky, and he sits with John Giles, really knows his stuff, and Liam Brady.

As for Sky, Gary Neville is alright, pains me to say it, so is Souness at times. Hoddle knows his stuff as well, but the rest of them on Sky are as wet as a Johnson's Baby Wipe especially Redcrap, and I am really DREADING Carragher next year. I might need the subtitles.

Well done! The only bit you got wrong was "knobs" — If you know your history, that should read "drunken knobheads".

"Like all ex-players, they add no value, they put no money into the club at all."

As opposed to the Board, who have lavished their fortunes, as well as their commercial acumen and excellent communication skills, on the Club?

Congratulations on producing the stupidest and nastiest post of the year.

Just let me know and we can meet for a direct discussion.

I find it sad that creatures like you call yourself an Evertonian - - you crab.

Got it.

What a miserable cunt you are. Every post you send is a dig.

Get a life.

It'll relieve the stress and (despite what the church might have to say) it is perfectly normal, natural and healthy.

I guarantee you you'll feel better and as we won't be subjected to a 9 cans of Special Brew level of trampy-gibbersh, so will we.

It's win-win!

Go on son, go find a bit of Frankie Vaughan, knock one out, get a good night's kip.

It was a good event, but having put events on myself no matter how much time and effort you put into it, something will go wrong. Today was a good event for those in the room alas for those relying on the feed it was a wash out.

The problem we have is that we get accused now and again by some of being a 'closed shop', of only encouraging the entrenched views of a select few cherished regulars (you know who you are!!!) whose ferocious 'bullying' of other posters (I kid you not) makes it too intimidating for them to post alternative viewpoints.

I thought this might help redress the balance a little... ???

[Oh, and you mustn't call him a troll. These are very much (I assure you) his heartfelt opinions on such topics.]

George, pass on our thanks to your boys for their efforts, most of us appreciated it.

Well done for not only your but more importantly the youngsters' efforts. OK it may not have had the outcome we wished for but at least they tried. Unlike the fucking Board!!

Paul Landon is the only knob and to call himself an Evertonian is an insult to Evertonians. Yet another prick of the first order, he sounds like yet another who sits on his fat arse happily watching the Club go round in circles in a downward spiral.

I'm sure there would be many who would welcome him debate his views face to face. He was threatening to debate with Dave Kelly at today's meeting; I haven't heard how he did yet.

Please focus instead on all those who support and appreciate your efforts.

George, ignore him mate, you keep up the good work.

No apology needed from you Michael - but thanks.

And don't forget that in the end Big Chief Bromden did it.

I didn't see anyone debate Dave Kelly in Mr Landons manner, so I must retract my use of the word troll as its unsuitable. Blowhard on the other hand is appropriate for a man that types a challenge and fails to turn up and meet his opponent.

On a more positive note it was good to meet Chris Matheson at the Casa today and congratulate him on being selected as the PPC (Labour) for Chester.

Certainly Landon is ideal to be on the Club's Fans Forum. Hopefully when the Board finally get heaved, pricks like Landon will go with them.

"..having put events on myself no matter how much time and effort you put into it, something will go wrong"

Never a truer word etc.

I will admit I did use the phrase 'Oh for fuck's sake!' this afternoon at least 14 times, but to put that into context, I usually say that 17 or 18 times when I'm trying to find the lift-up corner flap on a packet of bacon, so it wasn't THAT bad.

Nobody died and I genuinely do appreciate the effort.

You gave it a go, did the best you could and ultimately that is all any of us can do

As for Tory boy, god only knows what's gone on there.

It's like he was spit-roasted by Billy Bragg and Tony Benn and now we're all going to pay.

I've never heard of Mr Landon or read any of his previous comments but he is clearly a fuckwit of the lowest order.

The BU and others care very deeply for EFC and I am very appreciative of all the effort they put in.

George, you and your team gave it a good go and, as you've said, it was impossible to get things to work. The most important bit is that you tried and gave your time for free.

Its more than most people would do. Nice One, BU.

Cheers for all the good comments.

Cosmic grooves all the way.

I never like saying things like this but I hope that a low-life slug like Landon - who had the what, the gall, the breathtaking arrogance/stupidity, staggering disrespect? - to mock George so viciously will never ever spurt his slime on these decent pages again - perhaps he has one last little drop of dignity left to put himself in perpetual exile, perhaps with his brother-in-shame #249.

I don't think that I've ever been so incensed by anything I've read here than by Landon's gutter nasty bitter bile.

Onwards and upwards George and thank you one more time for all the great work that you do.

As I said, that unbelievable nastiness from Landon is, I think, the most disgusting thing that I have ever read on these good boards.

That said, I agree 100 per cent with peeps asking MK to leave Landon's bitter jibes on here so we can see him for who or what he is.

Huge respect for big Nev, then and now. Having a legend speak to the lack of ambition of the club is important as his opinion cannot be brushed off by anyone, including those at the helm.

"That said, I agree 100 per cent with peeps asking MK to leave Landon's bitter jibes on here so we can see him for who or what he is."

Totally agree. It is unfortunate that free speech is worthless unless it's extended to absolute fuckwits. But that's the price we pay.

Don't worry about Paul Landon. I remember an old thread where he came across as a Billy Big Bollocks that had been in the Dixie Dean lounge for a decade who claimed another fan was a fraud as he didn't know him from there. He has always been pro-BK which pretty much sums up his mentality.

Anyhow, enough of that; I want to say thanks to TW and George for trying to bring the meeting into the homes of the many Evertonians who would have loved to be there today but are spread far and wide.

I follow TW avidly, and although I'm not a prolific poster I spend time reading most threads – I appreciate what everyone does to enhance the communication between like-minded Evertonians and I for one will never lose my passion to see the Blues back where they belong.

COYB NSNO

"If everyone is thinking alike, someone isn't thinking." George Patton

"What we are today comes from our thoughts of yesterday and our present thoughts build our life tomorrow. Our life is the creation of our mind." Siddhartha Buddha

Eugene, the 1970 world cup was the golden age of punditry. Does anyone recall the huge row between Malcolm Allison and Alan Mullery. Allison thought Mullery was shite and not good enough for England. He said so in no uncertain terms. Mullery was given the chance to respond and did so, robustly.

Today's cardboard cut-out, interchangeable, witless, brain dead goons, should check out this footage and then fuck off and open a pub or something.

Silly boy!!!

We have really good technology but our problem was we didn't try the connection until we arrived this morning - - we did a test last night and it was perfect on our own Server - - it seemed to be working OK when we connected a few times a did a test - - but for some reason it was continuously buffering - - which tells me the "speed" wasn't up top much.

Thanks for advice about tethering.

Lesson's learnt today.

But remember it took some effort to get the young people there and to keep going for over 4 hours non-stop.

So please no more worries about us - - we are good - - we are just sorry that it didn't work properly - -"beyond our control" as they say.

Keep cool - - George

Look, Southall was a hero to me, I don't call into question his ability or his achievements. I am grateful for what he did for the club.......he was a great keeper - the best we ever had.

My point was just that, as I see it, he tried to "jump ship" during a VERY difficult time for the club, and for me, that knocked him off his pedestal.

I don't know, maybe I am too harsh in how I perceive "loyalty". I admit, I see it as a binary concept.

Just a personal opinion, no qualms with anyone who disagrees with me. I understand your position.

I have not read his biography, so truthfully, I don't know if he apologised or not. If he did, fair dues. if not........ well, I'll leave it at that.

So, no need for you to take shelter in the false links made by Ross and Mark.

Your post still stands for what it is: a disrespectful piece of shite and no amount of huff-and-puff blathering will change any of that.

Did you wade through all the posts after yours castigating your lampooning and ambasting of a true EFC legend?

Anyone who claims a gold carat Everton legend like Neville Southall should be banned from Goodison is either 1) a troll or 2) not a full ticket.

Which are you, you BK supporting beaut?

I don't give a shit whether in your opinion Telford 's wow 'a breath of fresh air'.

Read back through the thread and see what people think of him for that post. I'm talking about a post not a career or culture.

He wrote one of the more moronic posts I have ever read on these boards: utter utter disrespectful drivel.

I have a right to say that. Shall we aree?

In precisely the same way that you have the unmitigated right to misrepresent me and launch a somewhat out-of-left-field puzzling defence not of the post that got slammed but of the individual who was dumb enough to pen it.

Hope that I made myself clear this time.

Luckily and happily you are in a distinct minority on this thread.

I do, however, fully support your right to defend dogs-bollocks with dogs-bollocks, to misrepresent me, to not respond to points and arguments, and, your right nerdy-wordy-like to zoom in on typos.

Nice one.

It's a pity that we don't have any meat from the Blue Union meeting itself to discuss, and instead have two really stupid posts that have dominated the discussion. But unfortunately it seems whenever we carry something about the Blue Union, its haters leap to their keyboards.

If you did attend the meeting and have time to pen a write-up, we'll gladly post that as a fan article, and try to keep a closer eye on the subsequent discussion.

I would never retract any comment I make about the unions as I despise everything they stand for and their response on this thread was expected and not surprising.

Southall was just a convenient mouthpiece for a meeting that achieved nothing and never will, if he did say that about ex-players then he Is bang on.

So again apologies to George and the kids he referred to also.

Somebody called Dodd mentioned I was prepared to debate with Kelly yesterday, not sure how he came to that conclusion as I had stated that may well happen at the shareholders meeting.

Blue Union had another embarrassing day and continue to just be a waste of space. What they really need to do is go away and let the board and the new manager get on with their jobs and deliver a better league position next year – more important than some hot air down the pub that just potentially demotivates all concerned.

This isn't the Daily Mail so turn it in.

"Blue Union had another embarrassing day and continue to just be a waste of space. What they really need to do is go away and let the board and the new manager get on with their jobs and deliver a better league position next year – more important than some hot air down the pub that just potentially demotivates all concerned."

I don't think you're in a position to pass comment considering that you didn't attend the event.

If I was a shareholder, Paul, I would turn my fire on the capitalists that have run the club so poorly over a 13-year period instead of taking aim at the Blue Union. You're entitled to your right-wing ideology, but the facts have a pro Blue Union bias.

Go and do the dishes, there's a good chap.

if you read your rant on the "Leaked Document " thread, it certainly indicates and assumes you intended to confront Dave Kelly at the BU meeting. Certainly you only mention the BU and mention nothing regarding the Shareholders meeting.

Certainly for some one so articulate and so outspoken in their view, I would have thought the ideal forum to put Dave Kelly in his place, in fact to put the whole BU support in their place, would have been at yesterday's Casa meeting.

I'm sure your idol Mrs Thatcher would have had no qualms of going in to the Lions Den and confronting her nemesis. But then again, whether you agreed or disagreed with Thatcher, as least she had a bit of spine about her, unlike some eh?

I look forward to your confrontation with Dave at the Shareholders Meeting.

I really don't understand the vehemence of the vitriol directed at TBU. If people think they are irrelevant, pointless, unnecessary or just a waste of time so be it - but why the hatred? Maybe nothing will be achieved, but if TBU manage to achieve any of their objectives it would be in the hope of improving Everton Football Club - for the benefit of Everton supporters. What's to hate?

Even if you think they could go about things differently, it'd be more productive to have an input in that direction rather than spewing bile in forums such as this. If you believe TBU is some form of Machiavellian conspiracy operating to the detriment of Everton Football Club & Evertonians – don't be snide; tell us all about it. After all, we do love a good conspiracy on TW!

I'm picturing someone surrounded by empty KFC & Burger King boxes, typing away furiously on a 1995 Dell entry level machine. Big cocky's hut, perm, complete with glasses like the bottom of beer bottles. Drives a Nissan Micra, with beads on the seats, about 5'-3".

Lineker did not choose Everton over Man Utd in 85. I had a relative who worked at Old Trafford who told me the full story in 1985.

Despite Everton being the best team in England, if not Europe, at the time, Lineker was getting his agent (someone called Holmes if I remember) to get him a move to Old Trafford as they paid the best wages despite Everton wanting to sign him. The Man Utd board said they would sanction the deal if Atkinson could sell Stapleton to Bordeaux. Stapleton refused to go and the whole deal fell through and so he signed for us.

I never believed it at the time until Atkinson told the same story 18 years later in his biography. Then the mercenary prick left 12 months later for more money at Barcelona. He never mentions his time at Everton, but may have been nothing but for the quality team he played in.

Remember, Kendall wasn't too reluctant at all to sell Lineker. Kendall almost blamed Lineker for our failure to win anything in 1986, he said Everton had to change the way we played to suit Lineker's game, that's the main reason Lineker doesn't have much affection for our club.

We would've been better off keeping hold of Andy Gray in my opinion.

I think a lot of our players jumped ship due to the Heysel disaster.

I get the impression that, from his high table in one of Goodison Park's exclusive lounges, he loves and idiolizes the club's ownership and executive management hierarchy, believes they are doing a wonderful job with the club, and won't hear a word said against them.

It's just a pity the socio-political wounds on Merseyside cut so deep. On the plus side, as a captain of local industry, his lounge season ticket makes a significant contribution to Everton's bottom line.

Up to him, but if I was regularly being served vol-au-vents, mini-kievs and slices of tiramisu by people on or close to minimum wage, I would feel it prudent to keep my anti-union opinions to myself.

Or to be more specific, I would consider loudly and angrily braying right-wing opinions like Mr Landon's, as inviting all sorts of extra toppings and flavourings on my grub.

In fact having read a couple of his lunatic posts, my guess is he's probably already had more 'population paste' and 'rubiks cubes' down his neck than Jordan and Elton John combined.

I would NOT FOR A SECOND want anyone anyone on a low wage, at any of Goodison's executive lounges, rubbing cocktail sausages between the cheeks of heir arse before serving them to Thatcher-loving, anti-union, keep-the-workers-in-their-places, Paul Landon.

For those who couldn't make the meeting, we will look to get a report on our website in the coming couple of days. Unfortunately, as we were trying to stream, we were unable to record at the same time with the camera we had. We possibly have a small part of the meeting audio recorded. We're checking the quality of this and if it's of decent standard we'll look to get that out too.

Nev was great value and personally I think the meeting was a great success. Plenty in attendance with a hell of a lot of apologies so that has to be taken as a massive positive. Thanks to all for their support and feedback.

Mr Landon, I will look forward to hearing about your meeting with Dave Kelly. Something tells me I will be waiting for a while though...

What, like wanting change a the top of the club that would put us in a better position to compete? Is that really wrong? Is this guy for real?

Definitely someone from inside the club, imo.

One thing I am pretty certain of is that there will be little opportunity for debate at the Shareholders` Meeting. One sign of discord and the shop will be shut. BK will love it if it all kicks off; he will feel completely vindicated.

Any spare proxies going?

Psst... anyone want two together?

To at least try and give a viewpoint that you might understand, I am a lifelong supporter and I love my club as much as any of you — and yes I have spent considerable monies over the years on my tickets, sponsorship etc. I do that because I want to try and contribute and support if I can but the bottom line is club first and myself watching this unique club every week home and away which I do.

I know lots of people at Everton, board, players and staff and in lots of instances the staff have become friends. I may have capitalist views but I am a humble man who treats all the same no matter what their role in life is. I don't have to prove that — anyone who knows me can vouch for it.

I despise the Blue Union because they have gone about their business in a way that is alien to me and I have questioned Mr Kelly on this site and his own site many many times to receive nothing but the same bullshit answers. When I push him for what he would do or what he is going to do, he never had an answer. Yes, sell the club, great... that's it; simple! If only it was.

What words of wisdom have the Blue Union given to support that, other than "Give it to someone independent to sell"? —that's just lazy rhetoric that means nothing.

The board and the club know the financial position more than anyone and I believe they do their best despite what this minority think.

I love Everton and I love Everton fans. Yes, I have the best seats in the house but I have earned that right. I still stand with the diehard support at every away game — I missed one game last season — but I am just a Scouse lad from Walton originally who has sat in every part of the ground for the last 39 years.

I will not have people slagging off my club, no matter who they are, as I might not like something one of my kids had fine but I would never slag them off in public either, just as I would not let Everton be abused by anyone nor give anyone the opportunity to abuse the club.

So you can call me all you want. I know my position and I will stick with it; I will support the club and its custodians until there are new ones. I just believe the current ones have done all they can and more — and don't really seek a pat on the back for it, they just do it, when it would be very easy for them to do nothing or potentially walk away.

What has the Blue Union achieved other than some noise and to get Everton fans fighting against each other?Sure we should be united in trying to help — something the Blue Union could have done if they had tried to engage the majority of fans rather than alienate them.

Even the badge fiasco was something that could have been handled better, you might not have liked it but my god what would that change of badge done to the performance of the team or the club? To be honest nothing at all... but to the people that where looking for another reason to beat the club up and its board, it was a convenient opportunity for detractors — that's how I feel despite whether I like the badge or not.

Michael I get your point regarding class and see why you would make the point; however, this is class of a different kind it's the class you should have in how you operate — and, in my opinion, for what it's worth, the Blue Union have none.

They haven't alienated anyone — it's fans like you making the choice to reject everything they stand for and spout bile at them that has been the problem. It's those fans who have done most all of the fighting, thanks in part to manipulation by the club and their pliant lackies at The Echo who were only too happy to foment the angst.

People don't have to look for reasons to beat the club: the club is highly proficient at creating them, as we have seem only too well just recently with the badge fiasco, and the failure to manage Moyes's departure with a bit more class.

And' 'class' is something you clearly have little comprehension of judging, by your posts on here.

[Eugene... there's coffee all over my keyboard after that image!]

Class is something I don't profess to have; I leave that to other people to make their mind up on, clearly your opinion of me is based on posts not me personally therefore I accept your point.

I am disappointed that ToffeeWeb – which I hold in high regard – seems to have positioned itself very much on the side of the Blue Union for whatever reason – something at their advent you clearly were not.

On your last point, all businesses make mistakes: it's the way of the world, it's the very fact they keep trying to improve and nobody can say that we have not improved over the last few years. Yes, question the finances and operating vista if you want to ,but do you really think a bank would let Everton run up a high overdraft if they were not capable of supporting it and managing it in this very difficult financial world we live in today?

Yes, garden not all rosy, and could improve on many fronts, but I ask you as I have the Blue Union what would you do? Don't reply with "Sell the in...[Some text missing here, Paul]" please as that I believe is beneath ToffeeWeb.

So you can call me all you want. I know my position and I will stick with it; I will support the club and its custodians until there are new ones. I just believe the current ones have done all they can and more — and don't really seek a pat on the back for it, they just do it, when it would be very easy for them to do nothing or potentially walk away.

Last week, a client came into my workplace. He has supported Everton for 50 years and believes that Kenwright is a true Blue and an admirable Corinthian among the mercenary, transient billionaires. I tried to refer him to some of Colin Fitzpatricks's stuff on this site but to no avail.

Are most of us on this thread actually a minority among Evertonians? It is a frightening thought...

Yeah yeah we're all impressed by your outrage.

But let's see if you REALLY mean 'the club'.

Ok, baring in mind Bill Kenwright is NOT Everton Football Club.

And keeping in mind the board are NOT Everton Football Club.

Point out one (just one!) instance of someone slagging off 'THE CLUB'

(and if you can't, shut the fuck up).

I ask you as I ask everyone else: what would you do to support Everton and help the Board to move us forward? What ideas do you have or would you say, "That's the Board's job" — which is what the Blue Union would say; basically blame everyone and offer nothing else.

One thing that is not for debate, Gavin, is the love for Everton Football Club.

Possibly throwing punches as you can't articulate an answer.

I feel sorry for you, my friend, that you have let the small minority that is the Blue Union convince you that they are the majority.

They are a very very small minority, as are some of the board detractors on this site and others.

The truth is we all would like things improved and we would like to win the league etc but the vast majority – and I am talking 99% of fans – support Bill and the club as they are doing the best they can.

Why does Sky Sports and most footballing people continue to say how well the club Is run on many fronts? Please believe this as it is the truth.

I don't blame ToffeeWeb as they are a great medium for the supporters but even they have toed the Blue Union line which I truly believe needs to be reviewed.

The proof of that support is at the ground every home game and with those wonderful away supporters who never slag the club at all.

Ask yourself what have the Blue Union done? What has it achieved and who really takes them seriously, apart from the very few people that attend their get-togethers.

We gave a number of examples of groups who have had track records of selling Football Clubs and other large business/conglomerates. And low and behold, 18 months ago, as reported by various media outlets, one of which can be found here: http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/inner-circle-sports-join-everton-3348787 the Club actually begin to work with these groups.

What have The Blue Union achieved? Well, not all we would like or desire at the moment. There is still plenty of hard work to be the kind of fan group this Club deserves. But when we started out there were a number of aims and objectives that we strived towards. Getting media coverage and dispelling the myth that the local and national rags often ran with that "plucky little Everton" who "punched above their weight" was a well run Club. We've managed to do that to a certain degree. A number of journalists have listened and agreed, and the true financial issues surrounding the Club have begun to be discussed. The Liverpool Echo are still holding out trying to ignore the growing ground swell of Blues who are discontent. It probably wouldn't surprise many to find out the despite the Sports Editor telling myself and a number of other Blue Union officers in a 2hr meeting a couple of months ago that he had no problems reporting on Blue Union activities if they were pertinent to the fan base as a whole, on Thursday evening he was still 50/50 on sending a reporter down yesterday to report on a meeting due to be attended by hundreds of Blues with one of our greatest ever ex-players discussing his thoughts and feelings on the issues surrounding the Club off the field...

Another fantastic initiative the Football Quarter. Something that our neighbours across the park seem to be embracing, yet we still get the same old idiots spouting bullshit about shared stadiums and retail enabled projects, the kind of arguments that were proven to be the kind of "lazy rhetoric" you refer to above because the people we employ at the top of the Club to run the day to day business in reality have no clue what so ever of how to run a Football Club.

The Fans Parliament/Forum (something that had been shelved for a number of years by the Club) and how that should operate. And almost everything we put to the Club has been adopted except for one or two quite important points.

Obviously not to mention the point I made above about the group or individuals with a specific remit to sell the Club.

Not bad for a group of classless individuals in my opinion.

Possibly, but these things often take time.

I have mentioned before that right through the 1930s, Winston Churchill predicted war.

He said the Germans were re-arming, breaking the terms of the treaty of Versailles and that Hitler was set on war.

And right through the 1930s, he was shouted down as a warmonger and a fool by MPs on ALL sides.

He was practically a lone voice.

But he was right and the majority were shown to be sheep and full of shite.

Being in the minority is fine.....as long as you're right.

History is full of examples of people who said - "It's fine!" only for disaster to strike later (remember, the Titanic was 'unsinkable')

Not sure who said the following and admittedly it's a little melodramatic in this instance, BUT..the logic works.

"All it takes for evil to prosper is for good men to do nothing".

"Because the people we employ at the top of the Club to run the day-to-day business in reality have no clue whatsoever of how to run a Football Club." — That's it, the rub of it all.

The words you use – you don't employ anyone at all and never will.

This is the problem with this minority, they really think they own the club. The bottom line is they don't; the majority shareholding is owned by three people and that's what they dislike.

Next time maybe when Everton have a bit of a cash flow problem (it happens, you know) you can send them a few quid as you're the employers now.

Your other points: Footballing Quarter – going nowhere.
Fans Parliament as you call it – no doubt another word for trade union

Sorry, as ever, nothing that will make a difference.

However, once I have sold a house, in general, I do not give a toss who lives there; this is of course not the case with our football club....

I was not at the meeting and do not have the breadth of information some of you chaps have (good information, bad information and opinion). There is little doubt that the Blue Union have the club's interests at heart and put direct personal intelligence and energy into the cause. The hardest part is how to win the hearts and minds of the majority – inwardly, I am unconvinced... not so much about the critique of BK; more of the real alternatives.

Cheers

Quite a nice one.

I wrote that (last post) and went out for a last ciggy, before heading off to my pit and while I was out there, this thought occurred.

Nobody gets angry and all worked up if something they're against is having no effect and is being noticed by nobody.

I mean, if you love cheese and there's an anti-cheese group, that has absolutely no effect on you having as much cheese as you want; they wouldn't be on your radar.

It would be only be if they started affecting your cheese consumption that you would start to get angry.

Well, I give you the angry, self-serving, union-hating Paul Landon.

Goodnight.

Do you reckon some of the anti Blue Union stuff is good old fashioned left versus right, capitalists against the people???

I do not smoke so cannot go for a ciggy, but might head for the fridge and some manchago...

Whilst I understand, I also find myself confused: how can a couple of hundred, perhaps a thousand people airing their well researched and pertinent views be hurting the club in any way shape or form?

Are they putting off potential buyers?
Are they discouraging world class players from signing?
Are they putting off sponsors?
Are they preventing the development of Goodison Park?

No, they are emphatically not.

The only thing that the Blue Union and KEIOC may have achieved in the short time that they have been in existence, is they have managed to show how the current board's plans to relocate to Kirkby was a sham and obviously some Board members became saddled with shares they didn't really want, the club became saddled with debts that the Board thought would be paid and profit made by the relocation.

So people who lost money and or face, because of the DK debacle, are obviously very upset about those who raised questions and seem to be hell bent on pulling up the drawbridge and letting the peasants eat cake. What they should have been doing is asking themselves how they allowed themselves to believe that it was a good scheme in the first place and they should be seeking to resolve the problems that they themselves have created.

Funnily enough, it is those very same 'peasants' that want Everton to become a bigger and better club; how? By fully developing the marketing of the club, by getting sponsors who put real money into the club's coffers, and by having merchandising partners who spread the name of the club and pay the club for the privilege of doing so — hardly a communist plot if you think about it.

Most want to see a club that strives to improve both on and off the park; they may have differing ideas about how to achieve that aim, but they do have ideas. The club either doesn't have any ideas or it is very quiet about what those plans are and fails to communicate them to the ordinary supporter.

If people such as Paul cannot see that the club is dying a death by a thousand cuts, they are either living in a parallel universe to most fans or are living a life in utter denial.

Denial is probably the real reason because it seems to have infected all of the people who sit at the top end of the club; there is no solution to find if there is no problem to fix. The Blue Union, however, do see a problem and they are seeking that the current custodians swiftly find solutions to those problems, before it is too late... and neither people like Paul or those like myself will have an Everton to follow or worry ourselves about.

I do personally believe the board want to sell. I believe that when it comes to the short/medium and long term future of the Club, its the only plan that they have, and whether they sell to the right person or not is optional, after all Bill was desperate, and I mean desperate to sell to the guy in the bedsit.

So why, people ask, have we not been sold then? The answer is simple. Who in their right mind will buy Everton Football Club for £125m? It will take £200m to redevelop Goodison, and that is before you look at addressing our debts and buying our way out of the ridiculous Kitbag deal (or at least renegotiating it), re-purchasing Finch Farm that currently costs us £1.4m a year to rent back.

My father, who is as blue as they come, can't abide that I went to support a BU march.

Many a heated discussion ensued, culminating in his, and to be honest thousands more, clapping Bill's face on the big screen. Only serving to underline his belief that the BU were a minority of militants who lacked any credibility in the face of Venky's etc etc.

He steadfastly believes that Bill has the best interest of the club at heart and that he will sell, only when a buyer suitable for Everton FC is available, which he believes is unlikely at this moment in time....it's hard to argue that last point.

For my own part, I was (and still am) totally pissed off at the lack of transfer activity made available to Moyes who I believe could have achieved great things at Everton with half the budget of a close rival like Spurs.

The silence from the club and local press was deafening. The cancellation of AGMs only served to distance the club from its suppoters who had no voice.

Then along came the people's group who aired mine and many an Evertonian's frustration on a national scale.

As for the BU, I didn't attend the meeting so I don't know what they are planning next. I'll admit that my support has waned slightly. Kenwright is still here and looks dug in. The groundswell of support for the BU cause doesn't appear to happened only a division in the support (That's my own perception).

I hope the shareholders meeting, with a conciliatory but honest dialogue from supporters, will draw something out of the boards plans for the future, but if recent history has taught me anything, I fear Bill and more importantly the board consisting of succesful millionaire businessmen are here to stay for a while longer.

For some (my father included) that's better than the perceived alternative.

It's amazing that the supposed majority are conspicuously absent in this and all related threads on all the websites. Perhaps the apathy of the real silent majority is just that......

I challenge you to check the archives, read what he has said and then write a rebuttal. I can assure you that I will read what you write with an open mind. This site is about robust debate and I genuinely look forward to a robust defence of the Chairman and the Board.

Out of interest, what are/were your views on:

Kings Dock and who was responsible for its failure?
Destination Kirkby and who was responsible for its failure?
The shirt sponsorship deal, in comparison with our peers in the Premier League, and who is responsible?
The marketing deal with Kitbag and Nike in comparison with our peers in the Premier League and who is responsible?
The Finch Farm lease deal?
The Vibrac loans?

Like you......... I wait with eager anticipation for his fact and figure based rebuttal.

"Paul, the requisite number of shareholders banded together to force a General Meeting. The "99% of fans as fact" claim seems a little far-fetched.
Out of interest, what are/were your views on: Kings Dock and who was responsible for its failure?"

I believe this was a result of shooting for the moon a vain effort but not affordable at that time. Yes, you can blame Bill for that but I would see it more as a flat refusal by someone to fund it. I personally believe we would have a club in ruin today if it had gone ahead. The numbers did not stack up as they did not on the Kirby project.

"Destination Kirkby and who was responsible for its failure?"

The Board were ultimately responsible for trying to deliver something that again was not affordable; the numbers never stacked up... the extra revenue which was minimal at best would have afforded the interest on the loan. Not a great deal all round so a great decision it was not allowed.

"The shirt sponsorship deal, in comparison with our peers in the Premier League, and who is responsible?"

The best deal we could get for a team with no real marketing strength and therefore not a comparable against other clubs. Not a great deal but the best we could get based on who we are and what we have achieved recently

"The marketing deal with Kitbag and Nike in comparison with our peers in the Premier League and who is responsible?"

See above. We are not a global brand and are not attractive on that basis our fans are not great merchandise buyers. So what do you expect. As good as we could get in my opinion.

"The Finch Farm lease deal?"

A poor deal as it looks on paper, if that is to be believed, but it is what it is and I firmly believe it was the right deal at the time.

"The Vibrac loans?"

Unsubstantiated and no substance other than a leaked piece of paper that does not show anything, nor does it show any flow of money in the opposite direction. A financial transaction that could have been a good deal. I do not know nor does any one else, other than the board, and they do not have to tell any one what it was for.

I suppose not a great deal of positive answers but I believe there are a lot of positives: one is we are here today, three wins off a Champions League place and a weak respected club with currently a manageable debt and with the potential of achieving more next season.

Player assets are higher than they have been for a long time and TV money is growing, what I want to see is how we can improve our revenue outside of TV by £10 million a year — that is what I want fans and people like the Blue Union to help with, and anyone else for that matter, rather than focusing always on historical issues that achieve nothing.

"I believe this was a result of shooting for the moon."

If getting £30 million to pay for the state-of-the-art stadium, on one of the most famous waterfronts in the world, is "shooting for the moon", I suppose that shows the capability of our Kenwright and board.

Nobody is debating Bill's finances or the Board's for that matter. They simply don't have it.

That says it all for me. Deary me... do Sky Sports know we started building on ground there was a charge on?

Do Sky Sports or outsiders know about Fortress Sports Fund, leaked emails...? How much we owe to offshore banks etc? do they shite, they know nothing about our club — only the stuff that is in the shop window, not under the carpet.

George, if you use Livestream rather than Ustream you can choose to stream at a very low-level so allowing for poorer images but consistent streaming even via poor internet speed.

You would need the Enigma code-breakers at Bletchley Park to figure out that load of garbled, unintelligible gibberish.

Seriously, I don't think I've read a more..um..'curious' paragraph on TW.

Still, it probably served it's purpose - deflection and avoiding the very simple questions asked.

Up the workers!

"Yes Paul, probably right" — No probable about it, it is 100% right.

The "disagreement" between the board was due to the fact that Mr Gregg wanted to fund the stadium. In return he wanted more control of the club, a fair and legitimate request.

Bill Kenwright blocked him from financing the stadium as he didn't want to lose his position. The blame for us not playing in an iconic stadium in the most famous of waterfronts is the fault of Kenwright.

You did reply to all the questions put to you and really argued against your position.

From The Kings Dock to DK you admit the fault lay with the Board, the Board you can't see past. You say the Board have made mistakes, they have for the past 13 years!!! Continually!!

The faults of this Board have got nothing to do with Unions or The Blue Union or left wingers or supporters; every single mistake lies fairly and squarely with the Board. You are just trying your best to deflect their pathetic efforts.

Your blind allegiance to whoever is in charge of the Club is, in my opinion, dangerous. So if our mate Adolf bought the majority of shares all would be fine in your world, we'd just ban all non Aryans!!

Your, "I'm from Walton and a scouser" makes you something special, does it? It must do if you think it worth mentioning. As bad as the "Boys Pen" shite we hear from the Worlds Greatest Evertonian.

Paul, please do not try and twist things to suit your argument on The Blue Union. It's the Board you should be questioning — not concerned supporters.

When people have no real knowledge Ida subject, and I don't on this one, they always adopt the most logical and easy reason for why it did not happen.

Can you substantiate that? I know Paul Gregg and that is not what he would say.

Likewise the shirt sponsorship deal not being on a par with peers, poorly marketed isn't down to anyone but the club and teams finishing lower in the league have better deals so this again doesn't add up. The buck stops with the current incumbents again.

The comparison figures on merchandising are available in the public domain on other clubs in the EPL, seriously West Brom are a more attractive proposition?

The Finch Farm deal, we will definitely have to disagree there and do you know who owns it now? http://www.insolventcompanies.co.uk/finch-farm-limited-05798738/

The Vibrac loan figures are shown in the annual accounts, hardly a fictitious payment, is a short term high interest loan the sign of a well run company when it's repeated year on year?

Finally the trouble with amortisation of player assets is that just like Bellefield they are a one off, you can't cash in on them over and over and you still have to replace them with players who cost more or take a risk with buying cheap alternatives who may or may not be as good.

We have just tried Livestream and did a "test" and it seemed fine. We will try in future.

As I said it was The Bandwith at the venue that was the problem. Sorted for future now though.

We also recorded some "bits" and are at the moment editing - - also took 170+ photos - - we will pass all of this onto The BU and they will then rake action to post.

Anyone interested in what we do here have a look at our website - -www.yellowhouse.info

Once again thanks for all the good wishes - - keep it cool - - but mainly keep it cosmic - - George

I disagree with Paul as much as some other people do (although I don't quite go as far as some of the money disappearing conspiracies that some believe in) but what does it have to do with anything where he sits in Goodison Park? Why are people trying to paint themselves as some sort of proletariat in opposition to 'Thatcherite' Landon. A completely ridiculous use of nomenclature that serves no purpose in football discussions.

He has posted the link, and I am sure it would be more welcome than a half-hearted apology on these boards.

C'mon Paul, don't forget your roots. You must feel a little guilty sipping cocktails on your yacht!!!!

I despise the unions and I despise the Blue Union, albeit they adopt the same approach in my book.

Also proletariat has no real applicable meaning in the modern economy as small business owners could earn 100 times less a year than their so called 'proletariat' counterpart who is on the board of some mega company. A world wide proletariat is only one in name and actually has no sort of communal bonds. These bonds may come in a certain factory or industry which is why I said 'some sort' of proletariat. Is their a proletariat of Everton fans? Considering the diverse nature of our fan groupI highly doubt it.

The "proletariat" are the working class - i.e. people who are employed for wages, usually in manual or industrial work.

Someone on the board of a company (or mega-company) would be "middle class" or "bourgeouise".

As much as some people in both camps would wish the other did not exist they are still very much there in the modern economy.

My overall point is that no one is the winner by turning this debate into a political argument. there are a lot of rich Everton fans who disagree with Paul. There's probably some poorer ones who might agree with him. Judge him by the content of his argument not just because he might have a box at Goodison or whatever it is.

Not sure what you mean by "could have been handled better". Certainly the club could have handled it better, both in arriving at its initial decision and, after that, in trying to apologise for its decision.

I think you miss the point when you say the new badge would not have harmed the team or club. The point about the outrage was that it completely ignored the views of fans out there, despite trying to convince us that a Fans' Forum was representative of viewpoints. My feeling is that the outrage was from across the spectrum – not just those normally opposed to the board – and certainly not from people opposed to the club!

It's maybe that lack of sensitivity to the views of the "masses" and their right to express them that defines your antipathy towards trade unions (not that Blue Union is a trade union, by any stretch of the imagination).

As has been suggested earlier, P Landon Esq, may have been less Daily Mail-outraged if the organisation under discussion had adopted another, less obviously provocative, inflammatory and unreasonable name; perhaps the Council of Concerned Supporters Urging Conciliation?

I feel the gentleman may have been more inclined to consider their arguments, had they done so.

For the record I’m a proud exile scouser from L4 and also a very proud Tory voter; my wife votes Labour and she is from Suffolk! She and I both have our reasons to vote for who we do but I respect the fact she has her own opinion as she does me.

Just because your politics have different colours doesn’t mean you can't be an Evertonian, you need to open your mind up a bit.

With all this left-wing propaganda and class bias monopolising these columns,our beloved site is in danger of becoming a dark place. I liked it better when we talked about new managers and players rather than slagging off each other off to score very dubious points.

Hey, BU and Editor, can we have our site back... please?

"Mike the 'middle class' depending on your definition of it is not solely confined to people on the baord of a company."

I never said it was and I'm pretty sure I know the difference, but thank you.

You also said:

"'proletariat' counterpart who is on the board of some mega company"

,which for me is a contradiction in terms no matter how you want to slice it - unless they were one of "the workers" representing "the workers" that is.

I should probably let them speak for themselves but The Blue Union are not a workers union - they are a group of people trying to raise awareness of issues at our club they feel are genuine, in order to raise support and motivate change.

As I understand it the "Union" part of their name symbolises the union of a number of fan groups, and given they are looking to put pressure on "the establishment" Paul Landon seems to have taken 2 + 2 to get 5 and start throwing political statements around – which he has had back in return.

I was, however, brought up to understand that anything that involves people is, in its own way "political", so the Blue Union are "political" in that sense but not in any other.

I'm sure that's the case, but don't see the relevance.

Let's have it right, there was NOTHING political until Landon's appearance.

To keep it simple (you too Richard), Paul Landon appeared on TW like Norman Tebbit on angel dust, lashing out at the BU and Dave Kelly, in a particularly aggressive and nasty fashion.

(fine with me by the way, we're all big boys, but don't whine if you get some back).

His 'answers' to questions have quite frankly left him looking the fool he obviously is.

Try these..

(nb: and remember, he's getting all worked up because the BU are questioning BK/the board)

Re King's Dock - "I believe this was a result of shooting for the moon a vain effort but not affordable at that time. Yes, you can blame Bill for that but I would see it more as a flat refusal by someone to fund it"

Re Kirkby - "The Board were ultimately responsible for trying to deliver something that again was not affordable; the numbers never stacked up... the extra revenue which was minimal at best would have afforded the interest on the loan. Not a great deal all round so a great decision it was not allowed"

And it goes on.

Finch Farm lease deal - "A poor deal as it looks on paper, if that is to be believed, but it is what it is and I firmly believe it was the right deal at the time" (ah well, that's ok if it was the right deal AT THE TIME)

He adds - "I suppose not a great deal of positive answers but I believe there are a lot of positives: one is we are here today, three wins off a Champions League place and a weak respected club with currently a manageable debt and with the potential of achieving more next season"

In other words, when forced into a corner, even Bill's BEST buddy and the BUs biggest enemy is agreeing with the BUs assessment.

Of course he tries to take the edge off with a load of bollocks - "Ah yes ok that WAS Bill's fault..ISH...well sort of..kind of but not really like..if you think about it"

All I can say, re this deflection is if he thinks we'll fall for that he must think this is bluekipper

Then, to show he is without shame, he admonishes anyone who wants to point out his political bias, ignorance and inconsistency.

THEY are inarticulate, idiots etc.

Finally we're 'treated' to his rags to riches story (like anyone gives a shite) how he's a scouser and dragged himself up from his bootstraps etc blah waffle.

Actually come to think about it, that last bit sounds VERY much like someone else we know.

Hmmm....

The problem for the BU is that it has set as its objective to change the ownership of the club which 1) it will never influence until the three main shareholders decide to sell 2) they only sell at a price that brings them the profit they want from the deal circa £125m 3) that price put on the club is not realistic because there is not a viable site or financing structure agreed for developing a ground.

If the BU set itself the objective to look at the options for the ground, that would great.

I never started the discussion about politics. I merely raised a point that I felt that the Blue Union acted like a trade union and that was categorically confirmed by the response I got from David Kelly and the likes of Paul Ferry who just spouts communist drivel.

Richard is right, the Union have positioned themselves as some form or people's champion which either points out that's who they feel they represent if I was presumptuous in believing that People refers to the working class or they do not know their own support which I would expect to be a broader church.

Michael alluded in a response to me that I had inadvertently identified the class divide within the club and its supporters to which I deny totally.

The bottom line is here is that the union in my opinion do act in a way that compares them to the unions of the past and expect all to follow and believe I there cause, they abused BIll on his arrival at a home game in a way Simalar to what I saw on the picket lines many years ago , I was ashamed that day to be an everton supporter.

The very fact that your anti blue union leads to direct abuse on this site from them and to be fair when I have been given abuse for my pony of view I give it back

This whole thread has taken a route of politics because that's what these guys are firmly entrenched in and by that very fact they believe they can and should adopt the same approach of the militants of the 80s.

You might not like this or it may make you feel uncomfortable but to me and others its what you portray and perception is everything.

I have stated before how great this site is bit it is in danger of aligning itself to the vociferous and deluded few that profess to only have Everton at the forefront of their objectives.

I Believe not and I do not believe ToffeeWeb should be on one side or the other their impartiality in the past has made this site what it is.

Richard your post has only confirmed to me what I knew and what others are now beginning to think at least.

Steve, there is a 4th outcome. The club finally goes into administration and the sale is put into the hands of the administrator.

"Can anyone really be simplistic enough to equate BU with unions because they have "union" in their name.

Looks that way, Steve

Mr Landon, I'm sure, would not have had such an adverse reaction to an organistation called CoCSUC.

ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE!! It'll NEVER happen....

..they probably said at Leeds.
Portsmouth.
Palace.
Rangers.
Coventry.
Luton.
Ipswich
Etc etc.

What's that saying about three things you don't discuss in polite company: Sex, Religion and Politics? Perhaps time for us to implement that as a rule on here!!!

In the meantime, I'll try to do a bit of 'eugenic cleansing' on this thread...

This Alan Williams fella is a card, eh (817) 1
I quote: 'Just because your politics have different colours doesn't mean you can't be an Evertonian, you need to open your mind up a bit'

I think that last little sermon was aimed at yours truly.

Fuck knows why.

So, I invite Pastor Williams to point out exactly where I said such a silly thing.

Off you go Tory boy.

Up the workers

Classic.

Could have come out of the mouth of the master himself.

Oh..um..ok,

The one handed catch is against QPR but there's a great save at Goodison from Hamilton.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9fp4aD3X-E

(nb: a 'little off the task' my arse!)

Upon looking up an the face that went with the hands it was the one and only Pat Jennings and the world seemed to make sense again.

A few days later I was on the tube, looked up and sat directly opposite me was Gordon Banks. Thought I was on the wrong end of some goalkeeper stalking that week.

Typical Paul, the bosses sleep while the workers are worked to a stand-still.

But fear not comrades, the time will come when the boot will be on the other foot.

And when that day comes and we seize control, we will force THEM to post important insightful Everton-related opinins

Let's see what THEY come up with when they're put under pressure and have to tell us if Tiger McLaughlin's head was shaped more like a Brazil nut or a tinned new potato!

Let's see if THEY can ask the questions Everton supporters REALLY want answered.

Questions like 'Have you ever had a shite in the St End bogs and if so, why didn't you go for the less disgusting option of just cacking yourself?'

The revolution is near - up the toffees AND the workers!

Crikey

Being a Lacoste Park Ender and later a Fred Perry Enclosureite I managed to move to a better quality set of bogs.

I once went to am enclosure bog and there was an expensive leather shoe in it, just sitting there, no owner, but pricey...

These kids today with their mobile phones and lavish EFC bogs have no idea of what we had to wade through to have a Terry Daracott in the 70s, though we did have Tiswas and Erics.

I am an unpaid Union official. My colleagues and I make no money from it but do it because the way of life of many ordinary folk is under attack. You would not believe the vindictiveness and brutality with which some members have been treated by employers.

I don't begrudge you one penny of the money you have worked hard for , not at all. I think , though that your generalisations are unfair.