Barkley heads up England trio

And not at all disappointed that Ross was the only one not to sing along to our nice national anthem.

I wonder if our globe-trotting Engerland fan – Mr Hudson – is there?

Stones looks classy.

I agree James, Stones looks very good indeed, especially going forward.

Kane has missed two sitters.

BTW Bill get back in your box and leave the football side to RM until he needs you to sign some cheques.

RE and BK - Penny-wise and Pound Foolish what a dynamic duo.

He probably scored shit loads of goals when he was at school, stood out a mile because of his size, build etc,

Absolutely pish all technique, touch, movement, awareness etc.

Still, can we not knock it...

Perhaps we should use the Academy lads a
little bit more often now that Ginger is on
his way out?

Four Everton players (and Dier) On the park now...

Wayne, is he fuck, but the people coaching, training and then employing youngsters in this country need to take a long hard look at themselves.

Ross has faded last 10 or so, but my he has a ring of class about him.
I think, too, that Stones is one to watch.

Worry?

Someone coming in for Ross this window?

Chelsea are long admirers.

Seems a waste now that we have one good right back and one promising one who may not get much playing time.

Taylor out

TOB

Barkley looked weary throughout but he'll definitely be a player one day.
As will Stones. A classy two-sided, tall, slim lad who will need to strengthen up.
Garbut was poor and Long came on late and hardly featured.

Kane and Conor Coady were awful but the keeper has a big future.

My God, I hope Martinez can add a bit of Spanish flair to the Finch Farm training sessions. The English coaching manual is 50years out of date.

As for Barkley and Stones they seemed to have a good understanding with each other, but I'm still not sure that Barks has the temperment to cope at the highest level, let's hope the coaches at Finch Farm can work on that because he does have a good skill set, it just needs harnessing properly.

It's embarrassing.

Barkley was trying to much. He is a class player, but he would be better playing a simpler game and shifting the ball rather than trying the spectaular all the time. Which takes me to 4-5-1. I am sorry, but with Brett Angel up front you need to play a different way. England needed to change their shape earlier.

Before his injury at Lazio, he wasn't tearing up any trees in Italy.

But even allowing for a difference of opinion, one name since Hoddle is hardly a counter-point.

By the time they are old enough to play in the multicultural premier league with players of real talent to learn from they've missed years of development.

Ross has to get games for us. If he's not playing at the top level his education and development is not coming from the right people.

Does this show that, at home and now on the International stage, the money is being thrown at the Acadamies in a shotgun way that, if we fire enough rounds, we are bound to hit something way?

The coaches are only passing on what they were taught, The Hoard Wilkinson "kick dead fast, run dead hard, Route 1, lowest common denominator, if you're not built like a brick shithouse at 15 don't bother... It's the Prem lads, it's pace, power, sprint and jog 8000 m in 90 mins, if we want skill we'll get a fancy dan foreigner," it's what they do, you stick to what you know.

All the Anglo Countries – England, Australia, New Zealand – finished bottom of their groups.

The foreign lads are earning a lot less. They have to continue working to make a decent living, and they have the chances of playing if they perform.

Dier is a great example, how many Premier League teams would play a class young centre half 14 games last season at his age? I think the answer is none.

We're not comfortable with the ball. We treat it like a hot potato. Whereas players like Messi, Iniesta, Berbatov and hundreds of other non-Anglos can't get enough of it.

Some say that away from the game they kick a ball about while our lads play golf, snooker and video games. There's probably a bit of truth in that. Is the love of football being erased on the training ground? Why do they prefer to spend hours doing something else?

I wish I knew the answer because it would be worth a considerable amount of money if I did. But I suppose it comes down to getting children as young as possible to learn how to control the ball through practice, practice and more practice.

Most of the lads my age used to play with a tennis ball and that helps hone skills, well for most people it did; I still managed to toe poke the thing on most occasions.

Madness. All they got was the biggest and strongest into their "Centres of Excellence".

The Brazillian clubs were already hosting camps, playing small-sided games and selecting on technique.

I think that flaw has now been acknowledged but how long does it take for the coaches and scouts to adapt? After all, they were part of the flawed system.

These failures have been going on for decades yet nothing is done to address the problem. Most Premier league teams have less than 30% of English players in their starting line-ups and that figure reduces the more successful the club. Then, if you see how many Under-21 English players are playing in the Premier League on a regular basis, it gives an insight into the problem.

You only have to look at Oxlaide-Chamberlain – he is hardly more than a substitute for Arsenal so how is he supposed to improve his game with virtually no game time? I cant imagine another business that could employ so few Nationals and not cause major questions being asked.

I don't know how we make more Premier League clubs play English and young English players but, if we don't address the problem the England manager of the future will be mainly selecting players from the Championship.

Also, why is the problem not the same in Spain and Italy and Germany where high wages are paid, so we can't say its because our clubs can afford to buy the best players.

Also, back in the 70s, we were told when Holland were doing particularly well that we should follow their lead and start letting our clubs have access to kids from the age of 10. Well we have gone down that route of letting clubs have access to kids even younger than 10 and we are producing fewer good young players than we did 40 years ago.

I think the core of the problem with the national side is basically that the pool of players we have to choose from has shrunk. The amount of money that has flowed into the English game means that the clubs are picking up more and more foreign talent, which is squeezing out our own players from academies and from the first team.

We might get one or two players with some talent coming through, but we'll never achieve critical mass to get a talented national side where we have 8 or 9 quality players. There will always be 5 or 6 James Milner's who'll try hard, but who shouldn't be near the national team.

Coaches like Moyes who aren't willing to give youth a chance don't help. Look back a couple of seasons and remember Stracq. The guy tried, but was awful. We had players like McAleny who'd played a few minutes here and there and looked promising, but couldn't get a look in because Moyes would rather play a foreigner who wasn't very good and was not going to be at the club at the end of the season. It's that kind of short-term attitude which means that our young players don't develop.

Barkley has been given the same lack of opportunity and is probably a few years behind where he could be. It might explain his desire to try too hard and do too much, because he feels the need to impress every time he's picked for non-reserve football.

The other thing that I notice is work-rate. I wonder if the guys from Iraq and Chile going abroad for an international tournament and representing their country (even at U20) is a pinnacle of their careers. They're probably genuinely proud to represent their country and work their bollocks off.

Whereas for our lads I suspect many are motivated more by money at club level than the actual football. Going to a U20 tournament with a few thousand in the crowd is probably a step down compared to getting a Premier League game in many respects.

Let's see how the big boys shape up in their three World Cup matches, as they will use the same boring passing system. Maybe 3rd time lucky, but they won't worry class sides.

We need to start looking at players who aren't 6 foot and can run all day but smaller players as well who have skill.

Just because these players win games when they are 12 and 13 as they play on bigger pitches doesn't mean it's the answer; the smaller, more skilful players come through later and clubs reject them and play hoofball and run as much as possible.

We need to change things from Under-7s up and get all players used to having the ball and being able to pass it about. Being able to get the ball with a man on you and being comfortable with it, if we did that, we would start being better but it is a long process... hopefully its already started though.

The Everton players all acquitted themselves well and only shoddy finishing and some great goalkeeping kept Egypt in it. Sadly the inevitable happened as we have seen many times before when a win was on the line.

Some of these players should never have started this game. Players like Kane and Cole are rubbish with Coady fading after a bright opening 15 minutes. Barkley looks the class act when he decides to get involved. He looked at times like his mind was elsewhere. Definitely has a concentration problem but when he gets going looked like the one to turn it around.

Peter Taylor is a bust. Looks like a good job for Phil Neville.

Interesting point there about many young players not actually 'loving' football.

I certainly agree. These days, with Twitter etc, you get more of an insight than ever into the players lives and I must say, it's rather depressing in many respects. Nandos, tattoos and golf seem to rank higher than football when it comes to priorities. I understand that it's their job and everyone needs a break, but I do feel there is a distinct lack of love for the game.

I didn't watch the whole of the game but I switched on just before Trezeget's goal, he certainly took it well didn't he?

You can tell that the young players can't be arsed about the game, mainly because they would rather tweet about having a bacon and egg butty for lunch and going round in their Ferrari hanging their Rolex watches out the window than playing football.

Once we lower wages, their interest will go up again. They are millionaires even before they reach 20 and that surely isn't right.

Again we play football 20 years out of date, playing static 4-4-2 or something near to that. Peter Taylor, well he's years past his sell by date and a typical yes man.

I've also heard today that the Wally with a Brolly is on the list for the Under-21 job!

Desperate or what?

As is in a prior post, unfortunately for England, Harry Kane was dreadful, but as he is only a youngster; we shouldn't criticise too much.

As aways, It ain't what you do, It's the way that you do it.