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Pienaar deal could be done next week

12/07/2012 | Comments (50)
Despite the "ITK" (in the know) chatter feverishly predicting a resolution of the Steven Pienaar situation this week, the player's future has still not been settled. The Mail report that a £5m deal could be concluded by the end of this weekend, though, and Sky Sports say that they can now confirm that talks are underway..

The fact that Pienaar was missing from Tottenham's team photo (although it might have coincided with his recent court appearance in South Africa) and that his name and number are available for order on the new home kit at evertondirect.com set tongues wagging among Blues fans today.

But while things still look promising, the delay means that uncertainty remains over the Bafana Bafana captain's permanent return to Goodison Park.

Sky say, however, that a deal could be concluded next week, and the blog site owned by the player's own business manager, Rob Moore, says that "Tottenham are not standing in his way" and that the 30-year-old is hoping to conclude his return early next week.

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Gareth Fieldstead
603 Posted 12/07/2012 at 23:51:55
It would be great to have him back but where have they got 5 million from? Hopefully he is getting shut of a few fringe players and not one of our big names to fund this, now just the right side and we are sorted.
Roberto Birquet
604 Posted 13/07/2012 at 00:02:29
What is a £5 m deal, anyway? Even if it were right, it could be the newspaper's spin. £4 m plus £1 m add on will have some media reporting £4m, others, £5m, even though it would still be the same deal. I reckon that would be about fair, £4 m on a three-year deal with an option of a fourth year triggering £1m extra for the Spuds. We'll see if and when he puts that ' orrible new kit on.

Next , sell Anichebe and Yobo to finance the deal, and find some reddies for another striker. With all the outs, we'll have money for wages. But naff all for a fee.

Steve Cavanagh
609 Posted 13/07/2012 at 00:22:14
If he's seen the new home kit he might be having second thoughts about coming back!
James Flynn
624 Posted 13/07/2012 at 03:10:59
Are Spurs fans on the edge of their seats over losing Piennar? Does Spurs have supporters who don't even know Piennar's on their team?
Ernie Baywood
626 Posted 13/07/2012 at 03:55:21
I don't know Steve, there's loads of space on those sleeves to scrawl a message.
Phil Sammon
631 Posted 13/07/2012 at 05:36:26
The bad news is that the bible clearly states, "Cuffs on short-sleeved shirts are the devil's work".
Marcus Choo
634 Posted 13/07/2012 at 05:48:08
So that's what ITK stands for....

Thanks for the education.

Danny Burke
645 Posted 13/07/2012 at 08:13:03
That sets me straight Marcus, I always assumed ITK was "Irritating Tosser Kenwright".
Alasdair Mackay
647 Posted 13/07/2012 at 08:33:01
Just a guess, but we sold Pienaar for £3m - right?

We probably received £1m of that and have waived the remaining £2m and agreed to pay a further £1m up front, with the rest in installments - taking it up to £5m.

Which means we only had to find £1m now. The delay is more than likely due to the fact that Spurs are about to lose Modric and have already lost Krancjar, which means that their attacking midfield options are Van der Vaart or Pienaar (both of whom have been linked with exits). I think Spurs are dragging their feet in case they can't get anyone else in in time.

Nick Armitage
650 Posted 13/07/2012 at 09:01:15
Alasdair, I would bet my house that the original £3M went directly to the bank.

Unless it fell down the back of Phillip Green's or Robert Earl's sofa that is.

Tony J Williams
657 Posted 13/07/2012 at 09:44:39
Pienaar is probably waiting to see if we are going to sell Baines before thinking about coming back.
Jeff Beaumont
668 Posted 13/07/2012 at 10:46:09
Be just our luck - we sign him & then in Sept he's found guilty of assault & jailed for 12 months.
Ian McDowell
671 Posted 13/07/2012 at 11:01:17
Wonder what the difference in money is between us giving him the contract he wanted and the cost of bringing him back.
Shane Corcoran
685 Posted 13/07/2012 at 11:56:21
SS confirm that the two clubs have opened negotiations. Why has this taken so long to begin?
David Chait
711 Posted 13/07/2012 at 13:25:09
Yeah I read £5M.... I do struggle to be happy about paying anymore than we got for him.... If it is £5M, that is twice as much as we paid in the first place years ago... and is all due to his success at our club!
John Audsley
713 Posted 13/07/2012 at 13:29:05
Would it be insane to say we could be waiting for the Yobo transfer to go through?

Then we may spend the cash on Pienaar, unless the banks get it first.

If this is the case, then we may be waiting a very long time for his return....

Sam Hoare
716 Posted 13/07/2012 at 13:36:16
Does make a mockery of not offering him the contract he wanted. But then I suppose we only know that on hearsay. Maybe he just wanted to have a crack somewhere else...

Hope he comes back but hope its for nearer £3M then £5M.

Noel Early
718 Posted 13/07/2012 at 13:42:50
So let me get this right: Levy buys him for £3 million, sits him on his arse for a while loans him back for a while, and sells him back for £5 million? Oh Blue Bill, you are a genius. Glad to get him back all the same.
Anthony Lamb
719 Posted 13/07/2012 at 13:34:53
Why on earth is there all this longing to buy a 30-year-old footballer who finds it difficult to score goals on any regular basis, who decided to follow the cash-cow to London (well within his rights, of course), who was a complete failure at Tottenham, who seems to find it equally difficult to refrain from breaking fairly important laws of the land, and yet is seen as some kind of saviour of saviours?

A decent enough player but I have found it difficult to see how in many people's eyes he is ranked as highly as he is. Are we incapable of finding someone younger, perhaps a bit more focussed?
Roberto Birquet
726 Posted 13/07/2012 at 13:55:24
Ian
Wonder what the difference in money is between us giving him the contract he wanted and the cost of bringing him back.
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You pay players more in wages, then others will come along saying, "well why not me"; God kows where it would end. Paying an extra £2 million in fees for Pienaar is far beter than paying him an extra £1 m a year, not just because of the net difference, which would still be hefty, but for the knocj-on effect.
Everton seems to have a policy of £40k for top half of team, about £50k for the semi-elite, and £60-70K fot he top two or three. Change that, and where will it end? We will become Rangers, Pompey, Leeds.

ps, the more I read that tosser Green at newco, the more I think Rangers need to start again: Div 3, and FIFA tell them, "We are FIFA, you don't run us like you think you do Scottish football. Rangers company is dead; it did not even pay its taxes, and had no right to sell football players' contracts behind their backs without any consultation. As such all players of the old Club are not slaves, and free to leave that dead company."

Jay Harris
737 Posted 13/07/2012 at 14:35:52
What we dont know is how much we paid to loan him last year.

I do agree with Sam that if we'd have agreed a better wage offer with him before he left we'd have a lot more in the "bank" now and while I understand Roberto's point of principle we paid Arteta 75000 a week and I would argue his contribution was far less at the time and that didnt cause a backlash from the other players.

If there is an outstanding performer in the squad most players will accept them getting paid more. It happens at every club.

IMO the problem is more that the likes of Anichebe get 30000 per week.

It is obscene what players wages have risen to and that needs to be looked at by football's governing body although it may already be too late.

Si Cooper
742 Posted 13/07/2012 at 14:59:16
So are there actually going to be negotiations or just a get-together to celebrate Spurs trousering £2 million pounds?

I haven't changed my mind about Pienaar's role in this saga and strongly believe that if he had been more positive about wanting to be playing week in and week out (positive, not bolshy or demanding) then we would be in a much better position to persuade Spurs to let go of someone who is most likely to be a fringe player. Out of interest, will his agent benefit if Spurs can get the maximum amount of money out of us (and would Pienaar get a loyalty bonus for not making waves)?

Have my concerns about paying £5 million for a 30-year-old, especially as it has been reported that we are likely to accede to his wishes for wage parity, and would hope that we could find a younger version for the same money (more on a transfer, less on wages?). If we do bring him back where do we stand if he is locked-up in September?
Jimmy Kelly
747 Posted 13/07/2012 at 15:19:16
Pienaar was never going to get £70k a week.

The reason for this was that the club believed they would then have a player on a huge wage who would not command a large fee if sold. This is backed up by the fact that many on here believe £5m is too much for him. Arteta was given a higher wage because otherwise he would have left on the cheap. Because they offered him big money he signed the contract and they were able to get £10m for him. I was told this while the negotiations were going on, and again recently, by somebody genuinely 'ITK'.

I said on another thread recently, it's not a coincidence that the protracted negotiations for Fellaini's contract were concluded shortly after Arteta left, it freed up money for a big earner that wasn't there while they were paying somebody else the megabucks.

Mike Green
753 Posted 13/07/2012 at 16:08:14
Alasdair #647 - Spurs have just signed Sigurdsson from Swansea, they've also got Bale, Lennon and Jenas for what it's worth as attacking midfield options. To be honest, I respect to them for allowing Pienaar to move on if they do.
Phil Sammon
786 Posted 13/07/2012 at 05:36:26
The bad news is that the bible clearly states, "Cuffs on short-sleeved shirts are the devil's work".
Peter Thistle
796 Posted 13/07/2012 at 18:18:03
The reason Pienaar is worth the money is that he is tried and tested with us. Signing some random foreigner is a gamble, as Bily proved. At least with Pienaar we know what we're getting.
Ian Bennett
816 Posted 13/07/2012 at 19:33:09
£5m for a player out of contract is a joke. Yes, he plays well for us - but this seems to be way to much for him. I'd offer £3.5m take it or leave it.
Jamie Barlow
818 Posted 13/07/2012 at 19:38:09
Who are you talking about Ian?
John Crook
821 Posted 13/07/2012 at 19:53:22
I know £5m seems a lot considering Everton's strict transfer budget but I don't blame Spurs for attemting to make a profit as they have been paying a highly inflated salary for him to sit on the bench and play bit-part substitute roles. Levy is just trying to get his money's worth as much as possible.
Ian Bennett
823 Posted 13/07/2012 at 20:04:52
Sorry out of contract in 12 months time.
Michael Kenrick
825 Posted 13/07/2012 at 20:13:07
I think it's longer than that...
Ian Bennett
827 Posted 13/07/2012 at 20:13:34
Actually he has two years left on his deal according to wiki. 30 last march though.
Michael Kenrick
829 Posted 13/07/2012 at 20:16:57
So we got £2M to £3M for him with I think 6 months remaining...

18 months later, with him playing better for us than he ever has, two years left on his Spurs contract? I would have to accept that £5M is not an unreasonable fee. If he hadn't been ours before, would we be complaining?

The biggest thing for me is he's a known quantity and Moyes favourite. That means there'll be none of the 'beddding in' bullshit from Dithering Davie. He'll be one of the first names on the teamsheet, and rightly so. In a big sense, that's what we're paying for.

If only we could get more end-product from him... but that's final third stuff where our coaching team is sadly lacking. Just as long as they don't coach it out of Jelavic!!!

Jamie Barlow
830 Posted 13/07/2012 at 20:20:39
I don't think 5 million is too far off the mark.
He's a good player and the partnership with Baines is fantastic.
Different matter if Baines goes though.
Mike Green
831 Posted 13/07/2012 at 20:22:11
Great point Peter Thistle #796 - he knows us and we know him inside out. When he chose to leave I was pretty clear on my thoughts but would welcome him back with open arms to be honest. He's also proven he shouldn't suffer from the 'never go back' syndrome. So, I'd be chuffed to...

Only thing to be wary of is if he thinks it's his last move whether he'll really have the hunger to impress. Could be another valuable piece of the jigsaw in place though, and if they do, well done David Moyes et al. Great management.
Mike Green
833 Posted 13/07/2012 at 20:28:08
Apologies for illiterate posts, bloody iPad
Ian Bennett
834 Posted 13/07/2012 at 20:22:52
£5M just sticks in the throat for a player that is 31 next March.

Yes, he makes us tick; yes, he will settle in quick; yes, it's the right thing to do as I can't think of better. £5M for a younger version would make more sense in an ideal world, after the current board being bought out by a Euro millionaire rollover winner from L8.

Mick Davies
857 Posted 13/07/2012 at 22:18:09
What happened to Davie's policy of bringing the average age of the team down? We now have Howard, Hibbert, Osman, Neville, Cahill, and Distin who are first team regulars and with Jagielka turning 30 in Aug and then Pienaar, we are back to the Walter's Dads Army days again. Instead of being held to ransom by a player who held us to ransom to get away - and who at his age, is still getting into serious trouble through drink - I suggest Gueye or one of our other fringe players gets a run. And if they are not good enough, then get rid of them and bring some promising young blood in. God knows what happened to our scouting system
David Bryant
897 Posted 14/07/2012 at 08:35:00
Comment 821 - did you mean that to read as the blatantly anti-Semitic comment it appears to be?!?!?!
Shaun Sparke
901 Posted 14/07/2012 at 09:08:47
Ah David, 897, I was wondering who would be the first to point that out. I also noted that particular comment as something that may get the fingers pointing. However, I chose to ignore it and take it as it was probably meant and in a light-hearted manner. However, I was forgetting that in the current climate it is frowned upon to make any sort of stereotypical comment that could be deemed as offensive.

Oh how I detest having to tip-toe through the rest of my life on eggshells for fear of upsetting anybody. Blatant racism or anti-Semitism is totally abhorrent, but who are we to judge the true intent of the person who has made such a comment. Perhaps that was the reason you put 3 question marks and exclamation marks after your comment.

James Martin
903 Posted 14/07/2012 at 09:29:56
Pienaar is easily worth this fee. He was our best player in the second half of the season. How many goals and assists was it? I can remember 4 off the top of my head including strikes against man u and chelsea. How many of our other midfielders got near his goals and assists figure in the entirety of last year? He played some of his best stuff in the games that baines was injured in. if anything baines looks better with pienaar not the other way round. He certainly wouldnt have been terrorised by downing had pienaar been playing.
Iain Love
907 Posted 14/07/2012 at 10:19:32
£5mill is what the papers say, doesn't mean it's true.
Pienaar is a cracking player for us and lets face it we need him.
John Crook
912 Posted 14/07/2012 at 10:08:49
Apologies for my remark if it has caused offence. As you suggested, it was ment as light-hearted. I have several jewish friends all of whom would not be offended by that.

Perhaps my timing is bad in light of the Terry/Ferdinand court case?!?!?!.... Although I would never participate in making the "sssssssssssss" sound when Spurs visit Goodison in response to the away fans singing "Just like a libary".......making gas noises to Jewish people is offensive and that happens every time Spurs visit Goodison!

I assume you go to the matches? And I assume you comment on the anti-semitic behaviour every time Spurs visit?
David Bryant
914 Posted 14/07/2012 at 10:52:39
Shaun @ 901 - you're right. I was going for 'semi-incredulous/amused/bemused' with the punctuation. But hey, the John Terry case makes it all OK to say what you like providing you can cloud the context...!
David Bryant
973 Posted 14/07/2012 at 18:21:21
You cleared it up John - no offence taken.

I haven't actually encountered much racism at GP, and I haven't seen/heard the hissing when playing Spurs. The travelling support is pretty bad in this respect, though - I've seen and heard racist behaviour plenty of times and it's toe curling in its ignorance and openness. Sadly, I've never felt brave enough to challenge it. It won't stop them and it won't change their views.

Ian Bennett
026 Posted 14/07/2012 at 23:14:25
I see you can order a Pienaar shirt with number 22 on.
Steve Pugh
177 Posted 15/07/2012 at 20:53:56
Pienaar just posted on his Facebook page:

"Back in London... Interesting days coming up..."

I guess we'll know soon.

Paul Gladwell
276 Posted 16/07/2012 at 14:42:05
Ian a younger version of Pienaar would cost twice as much, his workrate is top notch and how many goals did he create when he came back? Plus he bagged a couple too.
Si Cooper
295 Posted 16/07/2012 at 15:07:13
Paul (276) - the price of a younger version kind of depends on a few things. A high profile player would command a large fee, unless they had very little time left on their current contract and were angling for a move. As most contracts in Europe appear to start / end in the close season (which is logical) the player would have to be from a farther flung league, but such a scenario is not impossible.

Another possibility would be an unknown quantity, ie someone who's potential cannot be expressed fully where they currently are (a lower league, an inferior foreign one, a team where they just don't fit or are surplus to requirements) but who may flourish if brought to the right club (hadn't Pienaar's own career stalled in Germany which meant we picked up a bargain the first time around?).

What if we in such dire straits that we may have to sell a valuable player simply to pay £5 million for Pienaar? If that is the case then even paying £10 million for a player you could get 5 years of excellent service out of (or sell after 3 years for a tidy profit) may be better for the long term interests of EFC.

If Baines were sold would Pienaar work as well with another left-back (Bainesy does an awful lot of overlapping to deliver crosses) or would a pacier winger be better suited? We all want Pienaar back, but if the price rises beyond a certain point then considering alternatives makes sense as well. £5 million pounds is still sufficient money to coax a younger player with untapped potential from whatever club they are languishing at.

Shane Corcoran
297 Posted 16/07/2012 at 15:45:07
Why doesn't he just shut his mouth?

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